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Just now, SCG_Sinerox said:

You're right, I acted without thinking, if you want to chute shoot go ahead. It's allowed and you're allowed to do it. Apologies, we all acted stupidly there. 

Kinda cool (now that both sides have come to decent terms) that a sim and a server can evoke such passion, even if misplaced.  Shows LG and 777 are keeping it "real" ( pun intended)

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Yea, those high stress situations really make it hard to think clearly! Of course its no excuse, just an explaination 

 

Nothing good came from that engadgment, I'll make sure to learn from this expereince, this was downright ugly.

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7 minutes ago, 7./JG26_Smokejumper said:

 

SCG picked the fight by berating and then shooting at a team mate. There is no explaining away what you did. Arguing it negates the apology Sinerox is wanting us to accept.

 

You do want us to accept this as a one off right?

 

Of course, but i feel both party's were in the wrong, . Saying that this was all SCG is a bit BS, But i do apologies for this whole mess.

 

 

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Damn when I think of the irony of it all I can't help but chuckle. My wingman that got chute killed had to bail because he collided with a shoulder shooter and was then killed by a 109 who thought it was a soviet chute. I missed the pilot I was shooting at ( beside DR1FT3R kek)  and all of that lead to this. This makes the russian team look so much better than our blue side damn.

Also I use to only chute kill squads I knew were chute killing but now it seems I have become a chute killing activist in all of this.

 

DR1FT3R I understand your frustration grinding a pilot and losing it like that is frustrating (thrust me on this), altought I beleive my wingman is the true victim in all of this. RIP =FSB=HandyNasty our hearts is with your dead pilot xoxoxoxo.

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1 hour ago, 7./JG26_Smokejumper said:

 

 

Sign up sheets will fix this.

 

I'm not so sure.  I suspect the only thing that would yield better balance would be Kuban-era campaigns.

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16 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

BoBP will bring balance. 

 

 

 dunno about balance, but it will bring all the ol American grizzlies out of the woodworks. 

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1 minute ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

dunno about balance, but it will bring all the ol American grizzlies out of the woodworks. 

 

The late war aircraft were relatively even, so the sides will be relatively balanced.  The sides are stacked now because Luftwaffe aircraft are superior.

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4 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

The late war aircraft were relatively even, so the sides will be relatively balanced.  The sides are stacked now because Luftwaffe aircraft are superior.

Mid-late eastern front is balanced in my opinion. Early war favors luftwaffe dramasticly though, but well used mig 3s are a force to be dreaded. 

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29 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

BoBP will bring balance. 

 

This is absolutely true, but it would be nice to have some semblance of team balance on the eastern front.  Kuban with the more advanced Soviet aircraft(and lend-lease) really helps with this, rather than flying I-16s against 109 F-4s(a masochistic/sadistic fantasy respectively) .

 

8 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

The late war aircraft were relatively even, so the sides will be relatively balanced.  The sides are stacked now because Luftwaffe aircraft are superior.

 

Again, correct.  If anything the anglos will have the larger share of players.

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2 minutes ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

 

This is absolutely true, but it would be nice to have some semblance of team balance on the eastern front. 

 

Get an evenly matched plane set.  You can try to force people to fly inferior planes, but they’ll probably just leave and go to WoL.

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6 minutes ago, =FSB=Man-Yac said:

Mid-late eastern front is balanced in my opinion. 

 

Only if there are enough FNs for everyone.  And even then, I think I’d rather be in a 190 (firepower).  But at least it’s a close call.

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I get a kill on a He-111 with a Pe-2, 2nd engine is damaged from flak as we were attacking a train, nurse it home, land perfectly... Shut my engines off feeling satisfied of a good sortie... 

 

 

Ditched.

 

lose a plane. wtf.  only my 2nd engine was damaged, did not even produce smoke, yet I lose the pe-2?

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On 9/21/2018 at 10:21 AM, SCG_Riksen said:

So give VVS a 0/2 MiGs please

Our current countermeasure to the F4 is that we can fly Series 87 transports as fighters  with this playing  on loud speakers once we're attacked:crazy:

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Y-29.Silky said:

engine was damaged, did not even produce smoke, yet I lose the pe-2?

 

I think I had a similar accident but in a fighter. Since it, I don't shutdown engine(s) once landed if there was any damage.

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In my experience even late war East front is stacked to blues even if its Laa-laa-7 vs. 109 G-6. Its not so much about Kraut fanboyism than refusal to fly anything with a red star painted on it.

 

West front has even or nearly even numbers thanks to Spitfire.

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9 minutes ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

 Its not so much about Kraut fanboyism than refusal to fly anything with a red star painted on it.

 

 

This holds true at least with quite a few Finns. Not everyone but seems that with large majority of organized players.

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14 minutes ago, LLv44_Mprhead said:

 

This holds true at least with quite a few Finns. Not everyone but seems that with large majority of organized players.

 

Also its one thing to fly soviet/allied on a df server or coop and another to fly a campaign for several months. The dedicated Heinkel/Ju88 pilots that are quite numerous will not swap to reds. The guys who only fly blues for reason or another will not swap. The rest stay with the first two groups because they dont want community to fragment or to play alone.

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7 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

Get an evenly matched plane set.  You can try to force people to fly inferior planes, but they’ll probably just leave and go to WoL.

 

Inferior planes aren't that bad - it's when you have very restricted access to them things get truly irritating.

TaW is quite competitive at high level - I'm not going to fly something unfamiliar only to act as a kind of target drone.

 

7 hours ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

Again, correct.  If anything the anglos will have the larger share of players.

 

I have few doubts... 109s still will be best accelerators (easier recovery from mistakes) and in BOBP they have much better firepower as standard (HMGs and 30mm). Jets are easier to fly than props; the 262 will have delicate engines but otherwise? Easier to fly, thought not easier to fight, necessarily.

 

For Allies the Lighting and the Jug will be more complicated to manage than is P-40/P-39, now. They will need dedicated drivers; casuals will get frustrated in them, quickly. The P-51D should be easier but still... only the Spit IX and the Tempest (probably?) are crates you may throw around without much hesitation.

 

German planes are tactical by design, where Allies are (especially the US') more strategically focused and in the sim we do former stuff, only. Thus, in spite of much more attractive Allied planes than before, "usual" stacking could persist. (imho)

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18 hours ago, 307_Banzai said:

Last night I was captured when I crash landed in friendly territory.

 

Is this a glitch or a feature?

 

I was at least one full sector south of the frontline. Frontline was around sector 1208 and 1308 and I ditched in 1408. 

 

I was very surprised when I checked stats and found out I was captured. Was it partisans? I did crash in a forest , maybe some guerilla fighters caught me ;).

 

By the way I really like TAW , we were flying out from Ghatzk last night and the traffic was crazy. At one stage there was a flight of five Ju-52's coming back to land when another four were getting ready to taxi. Incredible sight.

 

VVS really needs a dedicated transport plane, fingers crossed for Li-2 making it to the game.

The front line on the map is not ideal in some cases but it's the best algorithm I was able to figure out. In your cases enemy troops (located in 1209.3) were 200m closer to you than the nearest friendly units in 1306.9 so the script assumed you were on the enemy territory.

 

 

 

15 hours ago, 307_Banzai said:

I wish there was a chance to rescue yourself. Let say you crashed behind enemy lines.

 

You now have a chance to hop into Po-2 and fly to the sector where you previously crashed.

 

Land near the downed plane or pilot and take them/yourself back to your base. Avoiding captivity.

You mean that you in Po-2 rescue "yourself" from the previous sortie when you crashed? The problem is that if you end the sortie your stats are calculated and may end with captured status.  After successful rescue action the script would have to re-calculate stats in that sortie and change "capture" to "rescued". I have to think about it.

 

 

4 hours ago, Y-29.Silky said:

I get a kill on a He-111 with a Pe-2, 2nd engine is damaged from flak as we were attacking a train, nurse it home, land perfectly... Shut my engines off feeling satisfied of a good sortie... 

 

 

Ditched.

 

lose a plane. wtf.  only my 2nd engine was damaged, did not even produce smoke, yet I lose the pe-2?

You landed on the closed airfield. Pe-2 will be returned to your hangar in a few missions.

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Anti-aircraft gun 72k is very unbalanced, kills from the 1st hit. I for all time most of the time perished from Pe-2 and 72k ....

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3 hours ago, ABORIGEN said:

 

Anti-aircraft gun 72k is very unbalanced, kills from the 1st hit. I for all time most of the time perished from Pe-2 and 72k ....

It speaks! 😁

 

Aborigen, this is not in the hands of the server admins. The developers mentioned last devblog that they are going to fix the spread on many of the guns. Let's hope it will include the 72K as well!👍

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Yea AAA needs a fix in this game . Im glad The developers are looking into this .

Totally agree as bomber pilots suffer the most .

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13 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

Get an evenly matched plane set.  You can try to force people to fly inferior planes, but they’ll probably just leave and go to WoL.

 

Salutations,

 

Does anyone really want a evenly matched plane set? It could be provided by the developers. They could just make the flight models 'identical' for all same type aircraft. 😲

 

I don't think many really want that. The differences in craft performance is what gives pilots a real challenge in getting the best out of a particular craft. If there was craft parity... there still is no accounting for pilot airmanship skill. A great pilot can take a Stuka out and shoot down multiple dedicated fighters in a single flight. Other examples could be made.

 

I assert that there will never be craft balance in IL2 because there will never be pilot skill balance.

 

Sometimes I think there are those that want craft that can make up for their lack of piloting skill. Of course, I could be wrong.  :salute:

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Friendly fire noob player report: middlefinger 

 

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=22945&name=6./ZG26_Gielow

 

Maybe a little public shame will make you identify your targets before opening fire.

 

PS.: Have you ever seen a Pe2 gunner not firing  ??? Do you know this game have zoom ???

        Maybe I should post it on WoL thread ??? :rofl: 

 

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4 minutes ago, Thad said:

 

Salutations,

 

Does anyone really want a evenly matched plane set? It could be provided by the developers. They could just make the flight models 'identical' for all same type aircraft. 😲

 

I don't think many really want that. 

 

 

BoBP will be pretty evenly matched and it looks like lots of people, including me, can’t wait for that.

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I strongly expect there will continued claims of imbalance after BoBP is in our eager hands. Just wait and see. 😀

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Just because an accusation is made doesn't necessarily make the accusation true. 😐

 

Complainers love to complain. 

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15 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

Get an evenly matched plane set.

 

Simulation as hell :biggrin:

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Just because I like pointlessly showing up and throwing my 2 cents in.....

1.) Chute Killing:  I don't (mostly - see next points), but if it's allowed, I usually don't get upset if it happens.

2.) Shoulder Shooting:  If ever I did, it was because I was unaware I wasn't the lead plane, or the "lead" plane was so off-angle from me it wouldn't technically be shoulder shooting.  Generally, I avoid doing it. 

If however you do shoulder shoot over me, I have ZERO problem with "accidentally" twitching the trigger should you fly out in front of me - even if I hit nothing.  

3.)  Shoulder Shooting that causes me damage:  That's right you shot over my shoulder and hit me instead of the enemy.  Now, not only do I have ZERO qualms about pumping lead into your plane, but if you do bail, it's bye-bye chute as well.  I'll take whatever level of ban the server dishes out and smile about it too. 

 

Now that I've said this, I guess it's only natural to expect to be put on the morality police watch list.

 

p.s.  Balanced or Historical. Pick one.  While there are occasions of parity between the sides, you still can't have both.  Win with what you have or join a war re-enactment club where the battles are already known in outcome.  If you want anything close to balance, then EVERY TAW map from #1 to #8 should have EVERY plane available to each side, respective to their sets.  Of course, I don't actually promote that.

Though I'd like to see a little more "beef" to the Map #1 plane set for Allies, there is still not a map on TAW that's designed as a "gimme" to one team or the other.  In that respect, I can deal with a "historical balance" of sorts. 

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The Kuban planeset is more balanced than any other that we have at out disposal, that's a fact.  It's also historical.  The idea is picking the most balanced planeset available from what is available historically.  The Kuban era Soviet aircraft are also much sexier, being from the era when the VVS got their feet under them and really started to hammer the Axis, so people are more eager to fly them.  There are also lend-lease aircraft for anglos who aren't interested in the aircraft of other nations.

 

BOBP will be balanced because when you take the aircraft available to both sides and don't model the fact that the war was already over there is relative parity.  Both sides also have very strong camps of fanboys.

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