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Except it’s a game played by armchair pilots and it’s sh!77y gamesmanship/sportsmanship. Regardless of historical context, it makes it less fun for an already vanquished opponent in a very niche environment who may or may not respawn due to the above mentioned poor sportsmanship which makes your niche environment potentially more niche.......

 

just an additional consideration.

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6 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

Except it’s a game played by armchair pilots and it’s sh!77y gamesmanship/sportsmanship. Regardless of historical context, it makes it less fun for an already vanquished opponent in a very niche environment who may or may not respawn due to the above mentioned poor sportsmanship which makes your niche environment potentially more niche.......

 

just an additional consideration.

 

 

Then perhaps people should start thinking of sportsmanship when flying in 60 20 stacks at peak times.

 

Call me when you got that sorted, and we talk about minutia, like chute killing. 

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39 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

Coming from people (LLv) who chute and ditch strafed players last TAW. :biggrin: 

 

Perhaps you sort this "honorabu" policy among your own players before climbing to moral 11km in your F-4

 

Also, lets look if from the point of VVS in historical contexts: A fascist regime who thinks of them (Soviets) as nothing more than slaves is attacking the motherland. Trust me, no one shed a single tear from either side when committing casual war crimes. 

 

 

 

Pretty much the answer I expected 😁

 

Btw, this is a game, now a world war 😀. You might want to check your medicine ☺️

10 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

Then perhaps people should start thinking of sportsmanship when flying in 60 20 stacks at peak times.

 

Call me when you got that sorted, and we talk about minutia, like chute killing. 

And you keep talking about stacks, it`s about even. Check the charts posted earlier in this thread before talking bs

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Excellent refutation, you completely negated, nay, demolished all my points.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

Excellent refutation, you completely negated, nay, demolished all my points.

 

 

Right, you`re a piece of work. 

 

So, I should tell my squadron to stay low and slow. What would be sufficient speed and altitude in your opinion?

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

Excellent refutation, you completely negated, nay, demolished all my points.

 

 

 

You did the same with me in game, quite the hypocrite

You also stuffed words into my mouth :)  

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10 minutes ago, LLv24_Zami said:

Right, you`re a piece of work. 

 

So, I should tell my squadron to stay low and slow. What would be sufficient speed and altitude in your opinion?

 

 

 

 

How about you tell your guys to stop doing the very thing you don't like when other people do to you? That would be a good start. I have no problems with people shooting chutes, personally. My problem is when people do one thing while claim to do other things.

 

I know your people don't advertise the fact that they shoot chutes, occasionally (and really, i cant blame them, its fun to shoot chutes when you are frustrated), but it kind of brings smile to my face when i see LLv person on the chute kill literally a day after i talked with some of you and how you were against chute shooting and hours later a ditch strafe... Last TAW that is.

 

PS Last TAW had also other ironies, like Drifters  Nr1 killstreak being cut short by his chute being killed, and he was one of the most notorious chute killer himself, but, at least i don't see him bitching about it, so that makes him a person with some moral fiber...

1 minute ago, SCG_DR1FT3R said:

 

You did the same with me in game, quite the hypocrite

You also stuffed words into my mouth :)  

 

 

You gave me lip, i returned the favor.

 

VR master race will rule Sim, sooner or later. 

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2 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

 

You gave me lip, i returned the favor.

 

 

Atleast you admited to it.

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Just now, SCG_DR1FT3R said:

 

 

Atleast you admited to it.

 

 

That i give lip? You know nothing, John Snow, Ask Fenris what i used to do in EVE ;) 

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1 minute ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

That i give lip? You know nothing, John Snow, Ask Fenris what i used to do in EVE ;) 

 

Nope, about being a hypocrite and stuffing words into my mouth

 

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1 minute ago, SCG_DR1FT3R said:

 

Nope, about being a hypocrite and stuffing words into my mouth

 

 

You were shit talking, stop hiding behind your innuendos, this is not New York Lawyer convention, its a Vidiyagame.

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Just now, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

You were shit talking, stop hiding behind your innuendos, this is not New Your Lawyer convention, its a Vidiyagame.

 

 

How did i shit talk you? I said your luck ran out :) 

 

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15 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

How about you tell your guys to stop doing the very thing you don't like when other people do to you? That would be a good start. I have no problems with people shooting chutes, personally. My problem is when people do one thing while claim to do other things.

 

I know your people don't advertise the fact that they shoot chutes, occasionally (and really, i cant blame them, its fun to shoot chutes when you are frustrated), but it kind of brings smile to my face when i see LLv person on the chute kill literally a day after i talked with some of you and how you were against chute shooting and hours later a ditch strafe... Last TAW that is.

 

 

And when was this? You have tracks or something like that? I literally was on the TS with several different LLv guys the other day and, one got shot down and he was amazed he was shot after he jumped. I`ve never witnessed this done by us, although I`m not always around. Life and stuff you know. 

 

Chute shooting is allowed apparently, never done it myself. And not going to do it even when I shoot you down Siddy 😉

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9 minutes ago, SCG_DR1FT3R said:

 

 

How did i shit talk you? I said your luck ran out :) 

 

 

Yeah, contexts matter. 

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3 minutes ago, LLv24_Zami said:

And when was this? You have tracks or something like that? I literally was on the TS with several different LLv guys the other day and, one got shot down and he was amazed he was shot after he jumped. I`ve never witnessed this done by us, although I`m not always around. Life and stuff you know. 

 

Chute shooting is allowed apparently, never done it myself. And not going to do it even when I shoot you down Siddy 😉

 

Well, this is your stance on chute shooting, and i respect that.. There is plenty of reason to chute kill, demoralizing and giving 5 minute penalty is one of them. Cowardice is nothing to do with it when the chute is up for 15 seconds and it takes considerable skill to hit it. 

3 minutes ago, SCG_DR1FT3R said:

 

 

LOL, ok buddy

 

 

So, i shoot your E-7 down and you say that "it was luck"... then a half hour later, you and your wing men in F-4's curb stomp me and IL-2 i was covering. The cherry on top was that in my and my friends client he was  rammed by someone of you and he flew unscratched.... then you stay "you luck ran out". 

 

You have to be somewhat on-the-spectrum socially tone deaf to miss the contexts...

 

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3 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

Well, this is your stance on chute shooting, and i respect that.. There is plenty of reason to chute kill, demoralizing and giving 5 minute penalty is one of them. Cowardice is nothing to do with it when the chute is up for 15 seconds and it takes considerable skill to hit it. 

Yeah, good points there. I still have much to learn about this game, this never crossed my mind before. Really, I never thought about this before.

 

If this is so serious, by all means bring it on when I jump. I just don`t bother. I`ll let them live

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9 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

So, i shoot your E-7 down and you say that "it was luck"... then a half hour later, you and your wing men in F-4's curb stomp me and IL-2 i was covering. The cherry on top was that in my and my friends client he was  rammed by someone of you and he flew unscratched.... then you stay "you luck ran out". 

 

You have to be somewhat on-the-spectrum socially tone deaf to miss the contexts...

 

 

 

Wasn't unscratched, please make sure you know what your saying before you make a statement

 

And i had absolutly no F4 at the time, was flying a E7. so, as i say again, please know what your saying.

 

Good night.

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2 minutes ago, LLv24_Zami said:

Yeah, good points there. I still have much to learn about this game, this never crossed my mind before. Really, I never thought about this before.

 

If this is so serious, by all means bring it on when I jump. I just don`t bother. I`ll let them live

 

So this is a game and chute killing is by-the-rules. 

 

Why do you even bother to take part in the chute killing debate if all you can bring to the discussion is "muh honor" or "muh feelings" ?

 

Just feel the smug superiority over me and keep flying on like you feel like. 

17 minutes ago, SCG_DR1FT3R said:

 

 

Wasn't unscratched, please make sure you know what your saying before you make a statement

 

And i had absolutly no F4 at the time, was flying a E7. so, as i say again, please know what your saying.

 

Good night.

 

 

There were a big bunch of you there, i did not get ALL of the team to take a shot at me to take a tally. 

 

But the E-7 colliding with IL-2 and living, ganking us with 4 or more people (who, for accuracy sake, since it is important for spectrum people, were also flying F-2 and F-4's) and then giving a snarky comment?  Yeah, that's a texts book smack talk. 

 

You are coming about now like a rat who hit others and then cry out in pain, son.

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43 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

So this is a game and chute killing is by-the-rules. 

 

Why do you even bother to take part in the chute killing debate if all you can bring to the discussion is "muh honor" or "muh feelings" ?

 

Just feel the smug superiority over me and keep flying on like you feel like. 

 

Exactly for the same reason you bother posting your stuff here. Someone has to correct your statements once and while.

 

And I agree, it`s a game. Not a world war as you wanted to show it. So.. 

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Just now, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

Correcting me on a stuff that is purely subjective? 

 

 

Just read above how many things you said and was corrected

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2 minutes ago, LLv24_Zami said:

Just read above how many things you said and was corrected

 

 

Give me an example please. And don't bother with "it was E-7, instead of F-4", because that is irrelevant to the point being made. 

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8 hours ago, =IL2AU=chappyj said:

He rammed poor alphabean  then bailed out and then proceeded to accuse the guy he rammed and killed of chute killing him

I apologize for that,my ram was made with no intention,I was at high speed and had not possibility to correct my direction. After a first reading log event I misunderstoodand on line I said was not alphabean but another one..Infact was an I16 who turned into my pilot and shot him...

 

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7 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

Give me an example please. And don't bother with "it was E-7, instead of F-4", because that is irrelevant to the point being made. 

Well, Llv shooting chutes for example. I haven`t seen any evidence from you for it. Nor have I witnessed it, ever. Stacks the second. This being game instead of world war third.

 

 

Btw, This is getting out of this threads purpose imo.I just got from work, I`ll get my beauty sleep and seek you in TS tonight. No need to spam this thread? Cool?

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4 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

Coming from people (LLv) who chute and ditch strafed players last TAW. :biggrin: 

 

Who did this? Is this another baseless accusation or more trolling from you? If you knew reds knew where the blue landing zone is, why didnt you tell them so they dont waste their planes and time - is that also what you think is fair play?

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25 minutes ago, =LG=Leutnant_Artur said:

Chute killing is allowed, end of story

Nice rule...compliments

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11 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

He is Russian, most Russians speak poor English so the communication is hard at best.

Hey! I have quite well English))) and it’s not a way do not communicate with me and my people))) also u sidedly often fly with us and will help us with translation))

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On 9/21/2018 at 2:28 PM, =LG=Kathon said:

If we removed the F-4 from map#2 someone would say: "Oh great! LG fly blue so they added F4 and now they fly red so they removed F4. How fair is it?" We decided to change plane set now after two campaigns: one we fly on blue side and then we fly on the red side.

 

Great.... 

 

Yor decisison just ruined MapN2 last campaign and this one also. Better was just remove 109f4 two month before and..if it was not possible at leats this campaign. 

Thus it one of the reasons why we have an usual score like this on this map (Picture below).

usual score.png

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55 minutes ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

 

Who did this? Is this another baseless accusation or more trolling from you? If you knew reds knew where the blue landing zone is, why didnt you tell them so they dont waste their planes and time - is that also what you think is fair play?

 

 

Last TAW, Kuban Map 7 or 8.

 

At the Ship spawn, LLv killed me in to plane after i was ditched by strafing me when plane was down.

Literally, one map rotation later, when i bailed out in 2v1 fight with some of your guys, you shot down my parachute, but i managed to despawn before i died. 

 

At the time i did not give a rats ass nor remember who it was, but who ever it was, he knows so ask around. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

Last TAW, Kuban Map 7 or 8.

 

At the Ship spawn, LLv killed me in to plane after i was ditched by strafing me when plane was down.

Literally, one map rotation later, when i bailed out in 2v1 fight with some of your guys, you shot down my parachute, but i managed to despawn before i died. 

 

At the time i did not give a rats ass. Now Zami is going all moral high ground and i just remind him that your guys do this stuff too when opportunity and frustration find each other. 

 

Bold claim, but can you back it up? Conveniently the old stats are gone so you can just whataboutism your way ad infinity and accuse people of this and that to justify your own misbehaviour, and never have to provide proof. I dont think I even met you in previous TAW.  Last time I have shot someones chute was around year 2006-ish, it was a certain gentleman that was at the time known to use the log-reading cheat to find out where people take off and fly to intercept them, and who had also in the previous mission chute killed me.

 

Why did you not tell the blue team that their LZ is known to reds? Would you like to play with and against people who behave like you?

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12 minutes ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

 

Bold claim, but can you back it up? Conveniently the old stats are gone so you can just whataboutism your way ad infinity and accuse people of this and that to justify your own misbehaviour, and never have to provide proof. I dont think I even met you in previous TAW.  Last time I have shot someones chute was around year 2006-ish, it was a certain gentleman that was at the time known to use the log-reading cheat to find out where people take off and fly to intercept them, and who had also in the previous mission chute killed me.

 

Why did you not tell the blue team that their LZ is known to reds? Would you like to play with and against people who behave like you?

 

 

What are you huffing and puffing about? I forgot to put it in team chat, remember, i fly in VR, i seldom use chat, so i forgot to press ctrl. I've been flying red every TAW and i play to win so there is no way i was sabotaging my OWN side on purpose, if that's what got your panties in a twist so much... 

 

How i knew where it was? Secrit spies told me that there is an LZ, meta game i know, sue me... or better yet, give reds a "FREE AIRFIELD" option like Ju-52.

 

And yes, i claim that there is chute killer and ditch shooter in your ranks (the claim is only bold cause you formatted it in BOLD :crazy:). However occasional it may be, i happened to be on the receiving end of it, twice. Your honor, in my eyes is stained forever :biggrin:. This eliminates your rights to whine and browbeat chutekillers on TAW thread forever. 

 

Now, if you want to talk about "good games" and "Fair play" and "gentleman sport"... well, start by flying one round in Reds for a change, as a balancer and show your gallant and jovial nature and exemplar behavior.

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So for you its okay to cheat, and you lay about accusations about others without backing them up AT ALL to take attention away from you. Just single screenshot, stats page or track is sufficient, but you have nada. Nice.

 

Why would I want to play TAW with or especially against cheaters, especially ones who have no intention to change their habits?

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I don't care a flying bird about your e-honour. 

 

You had someone who shot the chutes and ditches and that's that. But if you come here to berate chute killings i will, now and forever, remind you that pot kettle, black.

 

Also...

 

Knowing where your LZ is cheating? What is next, flying I-16 at 5km is unrealistic. Surviving 20mm mineshot to wing in IL-2 an exploit? 

Its already fun to fly moderately to severely out-manned, not knowing where your milk and cookies +1 airfield run will land is just SOOO FUN AND IMMERSIVE. 

 

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Yes, you are a cheater, master of whataboutism and proud of both. Only one talking about honor is yourself. If you blame someone of doing something you should be prepared to provide proof.

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3 minutes ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

Yes, you are a cheater, master of whataboutism and proud of both. Only one talking about honor is yourself. If you blame someone of doing something you should be prepared to provide proof.

 

Amazing, contradicting yourself so badly... 

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I fail to see how it's funny, its clearly abusing the system. It's the same as going on vvs teamspeak listening to their information to see what they are going to attack.

I think the issue is that you can select a german airfield being russian and thus seeing the dropzone. 

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Why is providing the location of the LZ to the rest of the team a cheat? Just imagine someone storms a group of Ju-52 dropping parachutes into a particular zone. Sharing it with the teammates is cheating? You are claiming that someone is lying because of lacking proves and yet you are doing the same to this man.

 

And of course I cannot prove it (because stats from previous campaigns get overwritten each edition) but I while I can tell that not the whole LLv pilots like to chute and ditch-kill, we all know who in particular does it regularly. It's not against the rules to do it, but neither it is to make public who does it (although I don't think it does any good to none). Just ignore it and move on to another topic. The fight should be in-game not in-forums. 

 

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