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LLv34_Temuri
1 minute ago, =[V]P=vad-asz said:

Thanks. Yeah, now is good, but it crashed both for about 20 minutes ago.

Mission has been running for about two hours, so perhaps it was a temporary network issue on your end?

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7 minutes ago, LLv34_Temuri said:

Mission has been running for about two hours, so perhaps it was a temporary network issue on your end?

No it wasn't, because four of us couldn't reconnect after crash and 2 of us lives in another country...

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1 minute ago, =[V]P=vad-asz said:

No it wasn't, because four of us couldn't reconnect after crash and 2 of us lives in another country...

Ok, then it can be connection issue in network between countries. Currently running mission has started on 12:08 Finnish time, so two hours ago.

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8 minutes ago, LLv34_Temuri said:

Ok, then it can be connection issue in network between countries. Currently running mission has started on 12:08 Finnish time, so two hours ago.

There were around 15 people on the server and after the crash now are only 5, lot of them doesn't tried to reconnect after a while.

But okay, you say "country network issue". Nevermind.

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17 minutes ago, =[V]P=vad-asz said:

There were around 15 people on the server and after the crash now are only 5, lot of them doesn't tried to reconnect after a while.

But okay, you say "country network issue". Nevermind.

Or it's on the server end. Now I can't connect myself.

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1 hour ago, LLv34_Temuri said:

Mission has been running for about two hours, so perhaps it was a temporary network issue on your end?

No, it wasn´t for sure. 

We were playing from Vienna and Carinthia (Austria) and from Hungary on the other side and the game crashed at the same time no matter where we were locally. 

I assume it was a server issue.

 

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LLv34_Temuri
15 minutes ago, =[V]P=Grunf said:

No, it wasn´t for sure. 

We were playing from Vienna and Carinthia (Austria) and from Hungary on the other side and the game crashed at the same time no matter where we were locally. 

I assume it was a server issue.

 

Yes it was on server side. The network connection dropped.

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Hey, @messsucher  I find it funny you don't even play on this server yet since I pissed you off on a different thread you follow me here to pick a fight and act like your opinion matters.  Psycho. Just sayin'. 

 

Anyway, last I'm saying about it.   

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22 minutes ago, 69th_Mobile_BBQ said:

Hey, @messsucher  I find it funny you don't even play on this server yet since I pissed you off on a different thread you follow me here to pick a fight and act like your opinion matters.  Psycho. Just sayin'. 

 

Anyway, last I'm saying about it.   

 

You are again imagining things. I haven't followed you, that is stunningly paranoid for you to imagine that. I have been active in this thread as you can see if you read the thread backwards, and I did fly in this server and will fly in this server. The reason why I am not very active in this server is that I would just cause casualties for my side without contributing anything. I don't like to be a drag. Also I have VR familiarization and configs going on.

 

In that other thread you did not piss me. You just showed you are very self entitled and delusional person when I posted music after your music posting, you begin to accuse me of posting music, imagine that, so I have no reason to be nice to you, especially when you talk about crying a river to people just before cryed like a little crybaby yourself.

 

Anyway, I must ask you to share your paranoia with a therapist. It will help you more than writing your delusions here.

 

Edit: I must ask you to keep that shit away, by the way, of this thread. It does not contribute anything. If you can't do it, I must ignore you, which I don't want to do since we fly on the same server.

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69th_Mobile_BBQ
1 minute ago, messsucher said:

 

I can tell you amuse me, you don't annoy me, but since people here will find this disturbing I must ask you to stop that.

 

I agree. Having opinions on the way things are run in places someone doesn't even go - or only has a token presence at - is disturbing.  

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4 minutes ago, 69th_Mobile_BBQ said:

 

I agree. Having opinions on the way things are run in places someone doesn't even go - or only has a token presence at - is disturbing.  

 

I can tell you are totally clueless. And I mean completely and totally clueless. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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1 minute ago, 69th_Mobile_BBQ said:

Likewise.

 

Now that's better. I can tell you something. Here are people with whom I have flew original IL-2 15 years ago and with whom I flew CloD first time. I have flew against them in another squadron and with them in their squadron when I was their recruit. This server is a Finnish server, that is my home server. Those are the reasons why I am in this thread and have flew and will flew in this server.

 

I only tell you this so that you can get rid of that your paranoia. Believe or not.

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1 minute ago, Winterz said:

You two should get a room.

 

Haha, nah, he does not even piss me enough to make me want to fly for Luftwaffe. Them young fighter pilots can be a bit primadonna, that's all there is into it. Formation flying will do good for him.

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You're the only one who's been throwing insults through all this.

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LLv34_Temuri

Adjusted morning mission start times for Stalingrad map. Winter starts one hour later, autumn and summer half an hour later.

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1 hour ago, Shively said:

Ladies, you're both beautiful.  Let's get back to the topic of the discussion at hand.

 

ROFLMAO, what a video. But I can tell I felt much worse, I felt like the Derek, if that name tell you anything. Protagonist of Bad Taste 😄

 

Was a good start, many P-38 around, was nice to look them go. Then I went after, and wrooom, spiral on the airfield, P-38 circled the airfield and I was in a so big hurry go escort them! More spirals on the airfield, then thought that all right, lets freaking check the landing gear brake button - P-38s left. More spiraling and struggling to taxi to the start of airfield, plane barely airborne while evading trees on the side of the airstrip, crashed on the trees outside of the airfield, could not pull up them.

 

A new plane, this time taxing went much better, got to start of the strip without issues. Heard engine sounds, P-38s coming back! Was just in the best position to watch them land, so enjoyed, pressed zoom button, but no, it was undercarriage button, so descended belly on the airfield. HAHAHA, felt so miserable in the VR scuba mask it was unreal 😄 Anyway, P-38s landing saved the day :)

 

Thus vid below anyway, P-38s were hot! They had the party what Germans had in your vid. Missed so bad it!!!! 😄

 

 

 

Edit: So very fitting to fly for VVS 😄

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On 10/7/2020 at 5:37 AM, GAE_YaniBarto said:

how to register a squad in the statistics?

 

In top right of the screen you have "Profile" link. Click that, and then select "My Squad" tab on the opening screen. There you can create a squad.

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18 hours ago, messsucher said:

 

ROFLMAO, what a video. But I can tell I felt much worse, I felt like the Derek, if that name tell you anything. Protagonist of Bad Taste 😄

 

Was a good start, many P-38 around, was nice to look them go. Then I went after, and wrooom, spiral on the airfield, P-38 circled the airfield and I was in a so big hurry go escort them! More spirals on the airfield, then thought that all right, lets freaking check the landing gear brake button - P-38s left. More spiraling and struggling to taxi to the start of airfield, plane barely airborne while evading trees on the side of the airstrip, crashed on the trees outside of the airfield, could not pull up them.

 

A new plane, this time taxing went much better, got to start of the strip without issues. Heard engine sounds, P-38s coming back! Was just in the best position to watch them land, so enjoyed, pressed zoom button, but no, it was undercarriage button, so descended belly on the airfield. HAHAHA, felt so miserable in the VR scuba mask it was unreal 😄 Anyway, P-38s landing saved the day :)

 

Thus vid below anyway, P-38s were hot! They had the party what Germans had in your vid. Missed so bad it!!!! 😄

 

 

 

Edit: So very fitting to fly for VVS 😄

 

Yes that was 56 RAF returning.   Cina and myself were the tempests that made a low pass and break to lose speed and join the circuit while our P38s were landing after a strike mission then Cina & I landed after.   Nice to see the footage as I forgot to record that sortie.

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9 minutes ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

 

Yes that was 56 RAF returning.   Cina and myself were the tempests that made a low pass and break to lose speed and join the circuit while our P38s were landing after a strike mission then Cina & I landed after.   Nice to see the footage as I forgot to record that sortie.

 

Alright, was very curious of what squadron it was, also was interested to know the exact model of single engine fighters. Thank you of the information. Very well trained squadron! I can tell it was awesome to watch the landings and procedures in VR and with good speakers. It is about as close to the real thing it can get with the current technology.

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You could sure tell which of the P-38 pilots was using an x-box controller, cool video though Roblex. How are you finding VR?

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19 minutes ago, Ace_Pilto said:

You could sure tell which of the P-38 pilots was using an x-box controller, cool video though Roblex. How are you finding VR?

 

No X-Box controllers 🙂  It was just a pilot that only gets to fly about once a month and was a bit rusty on the  P38.    Messucher made the video. I just commented on it.

 

One thing occurs to me,  Messucher said he was trying to get up to help escort the P38s.  That particular mission was greatly hampered by a couple of lone pilots that decided to fly along with us but just on the edge of visibility and  changing positions.   The result was that we were constantly calling out unknown contacts to each other and going to investigate or losing formation while we looked over our shoulders or under our wings to see if they were enemies.  Ideally,  if you want to join a formation and cannot get them on comms then ease up closer and try to stay in easy recognition range in the same place.  There have been a couple of occasions where we have given up panicking about the rogue friendly and then found out too late that this time it was an enemy 🙂 

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Roblex, you are pretty impressive sight with your formations, when you have your squad evening(?). I noticed yesterday there was like 8 of you on the server and with me on the wrong side of the fence, was hoping not to run in to you. Well, I think you came with three different groups to destroy blue depot...and I had to try my luck and make one sneak attack on the top cover...missing the target of course and seconds after another group of 3 Tempests in formation line up behind me 😆

Those big formations of yours, DBS and SvAF always bring smile to my face, ecspecially when you are flying bombers.

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69th_Mobile_BBQ
2 hours ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

  There have been a couple of occasions where we have given up panicking about the rogue friendly and then found out too late that this time it was an enemy 🙂 

 

Must have been hell IRL when everybody was out of ground control range and not all friendlies were on the same radio frequency.  🙄

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50 minutes ago, LeLv30_Redwing said:

Roblex, you are pretty impressive sight with your formations, when you have your squad evening(?). I noticed yesterday there was like 8 of you on the server and with me on the wrong side of the fence, was hoping not to run in to you. Well, I think you came with three different groups to destroy blue depot...and I had to try my luck and make one sneak attack on the top cover...missing the target of course and seconds after another group of 3 Tempests in formation line up behind me 😆

Those big formations of yours, DBS and SvAF always bring smile to my face, especially when you are flying bombers.

 

If only we were as dangerous as we look 🙂   Last night we flew 4 P38 bombers and two pairs of Tempests as escorts.  If you found three behind you then I suspect you were unfortunate enough to meet 'The Blaggards' who are a trio of 56 sqn pilots that have 'gone rogue' and more often than not fly on the opposite side to us and bring us great misery because they are the most calculating and clinical killers on any server.  Last night they happened to be in the same area as us and luckily on the same side otherwise half of us would not have got home 😧

21 minutes ago, 69th_Mobile_BBQ said:

 

Must have been hell IRL when everybody was out of ground control range and not all friendlies were on the same radio frequency.  🙄

 

As it happens, the first casualties of the Battle Of Britain were two 56sqn hurricane pilots who were shot down over the Thames by two Spitfires who thought they were German.  It was known as 'The Battle Of Barking Creek.'   They were being led by the ace 'Sailor' Malan and both said he ordered them to attack but he denied it and left them to take the blame alone.   On the other side most 109s in 1940  did not even have radios and in their arrogance many felt them unnecessary.  There is an interesting account in one of the LW biographies, possible 'I flew for the Fuehrer' by Heinz Knocke.  I assume it must have been later in the war as they all had radios and he describes flying alone and idly listening to an instructor teaching a couple of students how to attack a spitfire they had spotted below. It was only when the bullets flew past that he realised they were stalking him! 🙂

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Holy hell! How does one mistake a Hurricane for a 109?  

 

(I guess we'll be finding out in more studied detail after IL-2 Hurri release day.....:blink:  )

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Two changes to planesets:

SpitIX with only Merlin 66 engine will come in the same planeset as La-5FN (planeset 5).
Last planeset will have the 109 K4 with DC engine available on the rear fields.

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Yesterday there was a huge discussion on chat about the balance. And for balance are not the planesets wich are realistic and totally ok, maybe lacking 109F-2 on first map with 15mm only, but the rest is ok.

 

The main question was the side picking balance problem. Because there is a lot of times when ppl enters on the side with more numbers and that ends on a difference of 10, 15, 20, god even 30 players of difference between one team and another. Mostly of the times, ppl joining german side. But it can happen with allies, and that kinda destroys the fun.

 

I have to be honest, when that happens with the allies doesn't bother me to much off course, because it is historical and performance questions, specially on 1941-43 period. While the Germans when outnumbering on those periods its almost... Death sentence for the allies flying, even with coordination. 

 

But that is not the biggest problem at all. I saw a lot of times 2 persons flying against 20. And yesterday i was flying ALONE in my team against 25, that litteraly its no opposition flying, completely overruning the map in just a few missions and making the thing not enjoyable at all. And that can happen with allies overruning the maps even it is historical. But lets fair, that happen with german side completely outnumbering the allies most of the time.

 

Now how to solve that since its a community related problem?

 

In my mind the best thing for try to calm down this, is add a system like on TAW when a side is full and doesn't allows you to take off from frontal airfields and take off itself, putting you in a queue until ppl on the team starts to go low, and this should be working when the difference its on 10 players of difference (10 for allow squads enter when even) And that its, very unpopularish on itself, i know that i went on discussion thousands of times with this, since its trying to force you to pick the outnumbered side or wait, also locking the frontal airfields for making the trip way longer to the objectives in order to prevent the overrun of that map in just a few minutes, and i'm not joking i saw maps running only for 35 minutes and its ended because of this. And for worst, this method only seems to doesn't solve the problem in its entirety, but it reduces the problem.

 

It is sad really, i consider this server the best around, and ppl spamming the side with most numbers, specially when that side has the best planes around, kinda kills the will of fly and i'm not joking.

 

And i hope this discussion can be taken seriously and not as a crying on my part, because true, i pointed the german side but true i said this can happen with allies, specially in some mid-late maps

 

 

 

 

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From the server's and the mission's perspective, this isn't a problem. The balance over time seems to be fine. Just look at the flight hours per side.

 

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There is a momentary imbalance, and then it shifts to other side, and back, creating a seesaw motion of the frontline. Overall, there's very little ground gained by either side in one day.

 

This Q4 has gone for some time now, and the mission/map has been won twice.

 

I recognize that some people don't like the imbalance when they fly, but there isn't very much we can do, without major annoyance to the players, and to ourselves. I personally enjoy the situation when I happen to be in the side that has less players. "Target rich environment" :)

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58 minutes ago, LLv34_Untamo said:

From the server's and the mission's perspective, this isn't a problem. The balance over time seems to be fine. Just look at the flight hours per side.

 

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There is a momentary imbalance, and then it shifts to other side, and back, creating a seesaw motion of the frontline. Overall, there's very little ground gained by either side in one day.

 

This Q4 has gone for some time now, and the mission/map has been won twice.

 

I recognize that some people don't like the imbalance when they fly, but there isn't very much we can do, without major annoyance to the players, and to ourselves. I personally enjoy the situation when I happen to be in the side that has less players. "Target rich environment" :)

 

 

Me and my teammates had a very good moments in this server, and we all coincide that is one of the best of the best of the whole multiplayer list , but my very very very personal opinion ( i know that no body ask me) , is that the last plane set was the WORST THAT I EVER SEEN..

 

I know than red side many times had problems with participation or balance in what player numbers referring , but obligate the other side (Blues ) to fly the worst planes agains the best ( at last for the time ) , are not the most fair way to catch more Red attention.

 

Again , is my very personal opinion, i still love fliying in finnish with my friends and I hope that this map settings will be in concideration for the future.

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Tank spawn points now have "front" and "artillery" spawn with separate tank set available, much like front and rear airfields.

Tank sets are now:

http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/static/img/RTS.png

 

Tigers and Panthers have a limitation of two of each per spawn per mission, so as they are available only at "artillery" spawns, there are only four each per mission available. Paradrops no longer replenish this number.

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1 hour ago, GOA_Karaya_CRI*VR* said:

is that the last plane set was the WORST THAT I EVER SEEN..

 

Ummm.. What do you mean? Worst how? Are you saying that the Dora can't compete with Tempest? Or K4 can't fight with the P-51?

 

Or do you mean planeset 1? ... Emil and Macchi are more than a match for the red planes.

 

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6 minutes ago, LLv34_Untamo said:

 

Ummm.. What do you mean? Worst how? Are you saying that the Dora can't compete with Tempest? Or K4 can't fight with the P-51?

 

Or do you mean planeset 1? ... Emil is more than a match for both Lagg and Mig.

 

 

Yeah, Emils and Macchi vs P40, Lagg and Migs ( especially the last one ) .

 

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26 minutes ago, GOA_Karaya_CRI*VR* said:

Yeah, Emils and Macchi vs P40, Lagg and Migs ( especially the last one ) .

 

Emil outclimbs every other plane in that set. And outmaneuvers even the I-16... Haven't spent much time in a Macchi to say anything about it.


Mig is a bit faster high up, but they usually don't go very high. P40 dives the best, but that's its only advantage. Lagg is just crap in every aspect except the 37mm gun :) ... I-16 can maneuver, until it runs out of speed, which it does quickly.


How is this the worst set for the blues?

 

@GOA_Karaya_CRI*VR*
If you make a statement like you did, you have to have some substance backing it up. Opinions come dime a dozen.

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I was informed by Temuri that the Emil doesn't outclimb everything... Whatevs :) .. I haven't had any trouble fighting in it against the reds.

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Macchi outruns the P40 and all other planes except the MiG. So the only true advantage to the red is the MiG and it is not really a big one. I dont see the issue here, making a planeset more competerive to the reds brings more red players in and more targets to LW only guys like yourself. You should be happy about this and not upset unless you are only happy when you have the best plane and outnumber your enemy 2-3 to 1 ... I'm starting to think the latter.

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On 10/13/2020 at 2:50 AM, GOA_Karaya_CRI*VR* said:

 

 

personal opinion ( i know that no body ask me) , is that the last plane set was the WORST THAT I EVER SEEN..

 

I know than red side many times had problems with participation or balance in what player numbers referring , but obligate the other side (Blues ) to fly the worst planes agains the best ( at last for the time ) , are not the most fair way to catch more Red attention.

 

 

On 10/13/2020 at 3:55 AM, GOA_Karaya_CRI*VR* said:

 

Yeah, Emils and Macchi vs P40, Lagg and Migs ( especially the last one ) .

 

 

I know how this is going to end. But this kind of statements makes my blood boil.

 

First off. First planeset is historical accurate, maybe with 109F2, and i am going to remark this, WITH 15MM ONLY, is lacking. Because 109F4 its a plane of December 1941, and the 20mm mod is added later, and i have to check if it was after early 109F4 entry in production. (Yes, those 109F4 limited to 1.3ata)

 

The complain about MiGs, P-40 and LaGG as unfairs planes, in the way you described it, has no base. Why? First off, MiG-3 were available for the first days of Operation Barbarosa, and that plane was a surprise for the high command of the Luftwaffe since they NEVER expected a plane wich such characteristics in performance, even less a plane wich were outperforming 109E and the recent early 109F's in speed on high alts. Those another 2 planes you mentioned are historical correct as well. And i'm shocked by the fact you mentioned the P-40 as UNFAIR. It sounds like you want I-16 only for the VVS, wich is an irony, because you are telling that "force blues to fly the worst planes is unfair" but it sounds like you pretend that but in the opposite way.

 

Also, complain about "worst planes" with Germans its quite... Something considering December 1941 - June 1943 period. The only period of real disadvantage, also with the history on his back up. Its June 1943 - October 1944 period. Then you have K4 and things are on balance once again.

 

Also there is no 1944 Russian planes (Yak-9U April , Yak-3 July and La-7 October) but the trick is always the same with them. Up to you if you fight on their rules while you can dictaminate the fight.

 

 

 

 

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