Tactical Air War

[JG4_Qetzalcoatl]

2 hours ago, =/Hospiz/=MetalHead said:

6. Death or capture resets all advanced aircraft to zero

 

The whole planeset seems a good step forward......but.....the mentioned rule No.6 has the potential of a game breaker for many players. It could be the origin of much frustration and makes it harder to fly together with the same type of airplane. I would suggest only to lose all combat points by death or capture but not all your planes in the hangar.

Just my opinion, but believe me...this rule is dangerous for the success of TAW.

For now thank you for your effort and good luck for the future!

Edited September 17, 2021 by JG4_Qetzalcoatl

[Rafcio]

44 minutes ago, JG4_Widukind said:

Hello everyone!

Can you also fly bombers with a career as a fighter from the Squad pool? (Me 110 or Ju88)?

If you don't die or get captured and you don't lose planes, you are able to collect each of them. And of course, if you don't lose them, you have all Basic planes.

Edited September 17, 2021 by =L/R=Rafcio

[=/Hospiz/=MetalHead]

30 minutes ago, JG4_Qetzalcoatl said:

 

The whole planeset seems a good step forward......but.....the mentioned rule No.6 has the potential of a game breaker for many players. It could be the origin of much frustration and makes it harder to fly together with the same type of airplane. I would suggest only to lose all combat points by death or capture but not all your planes in the hangar.

Just my opinion, but believe me...this rule is dangerous for the success of TAW.

For now thank you for your effort and good luck for the future!

General idea behind this planeset is that basic planes represent most common types so they should be flown often. Since everyone will have easy access to them, they are the backbone of player's hangar. Losing all advanced planes after death will force players to use these basic aircraft more. The goal is to see more Spit IXs and P-47s instead of P-51s, XIVs and Tempests only, more Antons and Gustavs instead of Kurfurst - Dora duo with occasional Schwalbe.
With ability to choose priority, you can still quickly get back an advanced aircraft of your choice. However, collecting all-best lineup in the hangar is extremely difficult, yet possible.

Of course we will closely watch how it will all play out, affect gameplay, player numbers etc. and make corrections to the rules if needed.

[Barnacles]

4 minutes ago, =/Hospiz/=MetalHead said:

General idea behind this planeset is that basic planes represent most common types so they should be flown often. Since everyone will have easy access to them, they are the backbone of player's hangar. Losing all advanced planes after death will force players to use these basic aircraft more. The goal is to see more Spit IXs and P-47s instead of P-51s, XIVs and Tempests only, more Antons and Gustavs instead of Kurfurst - Dora duo with occasional Schwalbe.
With ability to choose priority, you can still quickly get back an advanced aircraft of your choice. However, collecting all-best lineup in the hangar is extremely difficult, yet possible.

Of course we will closely watch how it will all play out, affect gameplay, player numbers etc. and make corrections to the rules if needed.

I think this is a fantastic idea. 

 

I think one of the strengths of the BoBp planeset is that there are no real dud planes. It also maximise the interest, as it's far more interesting when things like tempests and DC k4s are something that you occasionally encounter, rather than the default, both for historical flavour and gameplay reasons. 

1 hour ago, JG4_Qetzalcoatl said:

 

The whole planeset seems a makes it harder to fly together with the same type of airplane. I

I think the new rules actually make it easier to fly with your squad in the same type of plane; as long as it's not an "uber" one. And to be honest a big squad already has a massive advantage already (numbers), without having the highest performance planes possible. 

 

J5 do this on their server already, if they are in a big group they are generally in something with less high performance like albatroses. 

[=FEW=Revolves]

3 hours ago, =/Hospiz/=MetalHead said:

While Kathon's usual release announcement with all the details is not so far away, let's unveil the mystery a little bit.

Here's the official planeset for this season. We hope you will enjoy it.



Stay tuned, more info is coming!

 

Hey, I love the idea of basic/advanced planes - just out of curiosity, are there any special rules for the "Wunderwaffe" line for the axis? It seems the planes there are superior to the ones in the Messerschmitt/Focke Wulf career paths. I'm mainly worried that we'll see lots of 262s in map 2 and 3.

[FTC_Knipser]

Just a short question:
If you pick the "Jäger" career on the blue side, there is no option for a basic Bf109 on the first map?
On the allied side you tied the career to a certain Plane (spit, thunderbolt), i like that. maybe you could to the same on the luftwaffe side (Bf109 / FW190) ? You could put the G6/ G6 Late (no mw50) in there as a basic plane on the first map instead of the FW190.

Edited September 17, 2021 by JG77_Knipser

[SE.VH_dimu]

What about the super deathly anti aircraft guns ?
Remains the same?

 

[Piciu]

25 minutes ago, SE.VH_dimu said:

What about the super deathly anti aircraft guns ?
Remains the same?

 

If they hit you, yes, they're deadly?

[Rafcio]

You have to wait for the manual to learn rules how to use Me-262. Its use will be limited to the rank. 

Edited September 17, 2021 by =L/R=Rafcio

[=/Hospiz/=MetalHead]

9 minutes ago, =FEW=Revolves said:

 

Hey, I love the idea of basic/advanced planes - just out of curiosity, are there any special rules for the "Wunderwaffe" line for the axis? It seems the planes there are superior to the ones in the Messerschmitt/Focke Wulf career paths. I'm mainly worried that we'll see lots of 262s in map 2 and 3.

Wunderwaffe is not a career path. It's a name for a "slot" which provides best axis fighter.
 

9 minutes ago, JG77_Knipser said:

Just a short question:
If you pick the "Jäger" career on the blue side, there is no option for a basic Bf109 on the first map?

No basic 109 on the first map. We wanted to represent the fact that in autumn of 1944, most of LW fighter units in France used Fw190s. Then with map #2, Bf109 takes over as a basic fighter, as the real composition of units changed in favor of 109s (more G-14s started to arrive, while A-8s took severe losses).


To clear things a little more:
The middle table is not a list of careers. It just shows, what planes are available on each map, and what "slot" they occupy. Lines are listed in the rightmost table, but instead of breaking them into every single map (that would make the table grow significantly), priority lists only order of "slots". 

I think I will make a short illustrated example about how it works and post it here too.

[Piciu]

In the meantime, we invite you to our discord, which is also open. 

https://discord.gg/PyXmYTVC

[Pict]

3 hours ago, =TH=mincer said:

 

And kicking...

 

wunderwaffe anyone?

 

[=/Hospiz/=MetalHead]

Okay, some examples to picture how this new planeset works.

Let's assume I want to fly the mighty Luftwaffe this season (I am joking, gonna fly red this time :)).
There are four lines to choose from:


Each line has the same set of planes, but with different replenish order. Since getting them all requires collecting lot of CP and death will take them all away, I must decide, which I need the most so it will can be quickly replenished. Let's say I chose Messerschmitt line, because I love 109s
Now, my priority list of advanced aircraft is: 


Take a note that first aircraft is 1/1. It means that at the start of the map, I will get one plane of this type as a starting bonus. It's not a +1 plane like basics are, so it will not be autoreplenished. Okay, but what planes do I exactly have now?



This part is a breakdown of these "slot" names used in previous table. Let's say we start at map #1. So what planes and in what order I get? Remember how the priority goes?

Priority list for my line is:                                     Messerschmitt,   Focke Wulf,    Wunderwaffe,    Zerstorer,      Junkers
So I get respective advanced aircraft:               Bf 109 G-6/14,     Fw 190 A-8,   Bf 109 K-4,         Bf 110 G-2,    Ju 88 A-4.
Had I chose different line, I'd get these aircraft too, but in different order.

I also always have basic fighter, fighter-bomber and bomber (Jager, Jabo, Heinkel) and special planes/transports (they count as basics for all rules): 
So I for the map #1 my basics are: Fw 190 A-6/8, Fw 190F/G, He 111 H-16, He 111 H-16 (Transport). They are replenished after each mission and I won't lose them all in case of death.

Take a moment to notice, that regardless of line chosen, Wunderwaffe slot is never first one. It's always third. As a result, getting to these superb planes that occupy it (K-4 for map #1, Me 262 for maps #2 and #3) will never be easy and will take some time.

Ok, so I've decided what to choose, I want to register then. On the webpage, during registration process, following table is shown:


As you can see, each line lists all these planes for each map sorted by priority for respective line. It uses specific plane names, as a result it's a huge one  It wouldn't fit into the planeset graphics so nicely ?

Okay, I've registered, chosen my line, now I want to fly. I enter the server, click on the airfield and I see this:

(not exactly this, as planes are ordered basic-first in game, this screen comes from my test mission :D)

How do I know what is what? There's a lot of Fw 190s with different labels for example ?
I've chosen my Messerschmitt line, but for now let's say I want to fly a quick jabo sortie with my basic Fw 190 F/G

Here comes the leftmost part of the planeset table:

 It's detailed description of all planes used in this planeset. With all required/banned modifications and loadouts listed.
 Fw 190 F/G used in this example is represented in game both by G-3/G-3/R5 modifications of A-6 and F-8/G-8 modification of A-8.
 Last column gives additional info about loadouts that are present on limited amount of airfields. It's related to depot damage.

Planes on the airfields are already named and sorted properly.

As you can see, the lower gray name reveals that these two aircraft represent Fw 190 F/G. Upper white name is of course name of ingame model.

I've chosen to fly using the A-8 (or call it F-8 to be historically accurate, haha). I have to check if my loadout for this plane contains required F-8/G-8 modification, so I click the loading option screen:

By default, some modifications (including required ones) are already loaded, while restriced loadouts are locked on the airfields. However, players are still able to modify them and accidentally change something, so remember to check if your loadout of choice is allowed for this plane.

That's all for now. Enjoy new season everyone!

 

Edited September 17, 2021 by =/Hospiz/=MetalHead

[=KG76=flyus747]

3 hours ago, JG4_Widukind said:

Hello everyone!

Can you also fly bombers with a career as a fighter from the Squad pool? (Me 110 or Ju88)?

 

 

 

 

Yes you can.

 

If you choose a Messerschmitt line, you will have the Ju88 as your 5th unlock.

 

Whereas if I choose the Junkers line, I get the Ju88 as my first unlock and a Bf109 as my 5th unlock.

 

You can fly every plane (in your team), eventually. You just pick the order you want to unlock them in.

 

 

Edited September 17, 2021 by =KG76=flyus747

[Piciu]

2 hours ago, JG77_Knipser said:

Just a short question:
If you pick the "Jäger" career on the blue side, there is no option for a basic Bf109 on the first map?
On the allied side you tied the career to a certain Plane (spit, thunderbolt), i like that. maybe you could to the same on the luftwaffe side (Bf109 / FW190) ? You could put the G6/ G6 Late (no mw50) in there as a basic plane on the first map instead of the FW190.

You will be able to fly BF at start, when you take advanced line Messeschmitt. Then you will receive him 1/1 at start. But when you lose him it won't come back at next mission because he is not +1 plane.

[LLv24_Kessu]

Hello LG and TAW - we have missed you!

 

Can't wait for this to start ?

[Cpt_Siddy]

Ha ha time for wunderwaffe!

[Pict]

...or wonder waffle

 

[JGr8_Leopard]

The absence on map1 of 109 (at least in the G6 version without Mw50) in the basic set is a miscalculation. For the P47 there is an analogue of the 190-A8, for the Spitfire-IX there is no such analogue for the blue side. In case of death, the red pilot immediately has a fighter and an assault aircraft, the blue pilot does not have a clean fighter - do not make me laugh about the A8 ... 

Edited September 18, 2021 by JGr8_Leopard

[CSW_Hot_Dog]

A6 is also "not a fighter"??

FYI, red side has no analogue for Me262 on 2 out of 3 maps, so if you want, call it justice?
 

Edited September 18, 2021 by CSW_Hot_Dog

[=AD=Denisik_FL]

1 hour ago, JGr8_Leopard said:

The absence on map1 of 109 (at least in the G6 version without Mw50) in the basic set is a miscalculation. For the P47 there is an analogue of the 190-A8, for the Spitfire-IX there is no such analogue for the blue side. In case of death, the red pilot immediately has a fighter and an assault aircraft, the blue pilot does not have a clean fighter - do not make me laugh about the A8 ... 

A8 is an analogue of P47?)))) Have you ever flown on Bolt then?)))

[JGr8_Leopard]

2 часа назад, CSW_Hot_Dog сказал:

FYI, red side has no analogue for Me262 on 2 out of 3 maps, so if you want, call it justice?

Did the red side forget about the armored 109E? I call this double imbalance. 

[JG4_Matthias]

Hello, nice that you are back and that there will be another TAW. Is there a tactical map on the homepage again? .

[Piciu]

6 minutes ago, JG4_Matthias said:

Hello, nice that you are back and that there will be another TAW. Is there a tactical map on the homepage again? .

Unfortunately mission planner map is still inactive. Still need to wait.

[Prox1EE]

3 часа назад, CSW_Hot_Dog сказал:

A6 is also "not a fighter"??

FYI, red side has no analogue for Me262 on 2 out of 3 maps, so if you want, call it justice?
 

Justice? We are talking about basic planes. And 262 worth 48 CP without advanced crafts losses. Is it real? How do you think? 

[=AD=Denisik_FL]

1 hour ago, JGr8_Leopard said:

Did the red side forget about the armored 109E? I call this double imbalance. 

Did the blue ones forget all the previous companies in terms of balance?))) Stop crying, the company has not started yet, and there are already 2 pages of tears.

[Giovanni_Giorgio]

Folks, let me remind you that the latest Western front was an incredibly close campaign, with Red winning the first map, and the next two miraculously ending in a draw. In the last two maps Allies were against the ropes 90% of the time, with only one airfield away from collapsing the whole front and losing. And it was before the "point system": a map could have ended in a draw when both sides lost their tanks. With the new "points system" it would have been 2-1 to the Axis. The planeset was very similar, so I would expect a close campaign, assuming that big squads are somehow balanced between the opposing sides.

Speaking of 109, don't forget that Axis has 109-K4 from Map #1, which is the ultimately strongest fighter on the Western front in that period. It is as fast as any Allies fighter, but has an insanely high climb rate which makes it basically invincible when operated by an experienced pilot. I know it is only available only as "Advanced plane", but come on, a good pilot can gain those 16CP in 2-3 sorties and immediately get an uber-helicopter that climbs almost like Me-163.

[Gora_]

1 hour ago, =LG=Piciu said:

Unfortunately mission planner map is still inactive. Still need to wait.

Hi, did you see this: https://www.il2flightplanner.com/ ? Maybe it would help? 

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

One suggestion I would like to propose is to have the Typhoon also as part of the Basic fighter lineup. Given it was a very prevalent workhorse of the RAF. In the 2nd Tactical Air Force they equated in numbers to the Spitfire Mk IX.

To compensate for the Axis lineup maybe the Fw 190s could be disagregated into their own slots.

For example 1st map Basic would be P-47D, Spitfire, Typhoon, Boston vs Fw 190 A-8, Fw 190 A-6, Fw-190 F/Gs, He 111 H-6.  And for 2nd and 3rd maps for Axis basics would be Bf 109 G-14, Fw 190 A-8, Fw 190 F/G, He 111 H-16.

 

[Piciu]

We are grateful for any kind of suggestion from you guys, and whole community. I will remind that we have discord channel (https://discord.gg/yRGZkHT5Rx) where you can also write your ideas, feedbacks and sugestions. I kindly suggest to write over there, because we can see your ideas clearly in dedicated channel, in one place, better than here, in the post-jungle:-). Here we can simply overlook a few things, especially when hot discussions arise. As for the planset, it's now closed for this season and we want to see how it fares. So, again, thanks for your words, but now I suggest training to be ready for any suprising situations in the virtual sky.

Edited September 18, 2021 by =LG=Piciu

[Pict]

10 hours ago, =LG=Piciu said:

We are grateful for any kind of suggestion from you guys, and whole community. I will remind that we have discord channel (https://discord.gg/yRGZkHT5Rx) where you can also write your ideas, feedbacks and sugestions. I kindly suggest to write over there, because we can see your ideas clearly in dedicated channel, in one place, better than here, in the post-jungle:-)

 

With all due respect many of us simply do not and will not use discord for our own reasons nothing to do with TAW, so that's not really helpful to many people.

 

Not that it's a big problem as information gets through if it's important regardless of what constraints are placed on comunication.

[Cpt_Siddy]

20 hours ago, CSW_Hot_Dog said:

A6 is also "not a fighter"??

FYI, red side has no analogue for Me262 on 2 out of 3 maps, so if you want, call it justice?
 

 

262 is a meme in TAW.

 

All they do is buzz around killing few afk climbers and contributing nothing to actual map situation. 

[JG5_Schuck]

Blimey guys...... moaning already and it hasn't even started yet!!
Give it a chance first..
The LG guys have acknowledged there were issues with the last campaign and have tried a different approach to try and remedy this.
Lets just give it a go.
They can and will tweak it as it goes along..
I for one am looking forward to it.
 

2 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

262 is a meme in TAW.

 

All they do is buzz around killing few afk climbers and contributing nothing to actual map situation. 

True..... if you manage to earn it....

[RedKestrel]

17 hours ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

One suggestion I would like to propose is to have the Typhoon also as part of the Basic fighter lineup. Given it was a very prevalent workhorse of the RAF. In the 2nd Tactical Air Force they equated in numbers to the Spitfire Mk IX.

To compensate for the Axis lineup maybe the Fw 190s could be disagregated into their own slots.

For example 1st map Basic would be P-47D, Spitfire, Typhoon, Boston vs Fw 190 A-8, Fw 190 A-6, Fw-190 F/Gs, He 111 H-6.  And for 2nd and 3rd maps for Axis basics would be Bf 109 G-14, Fw 190 A-8, Fw 190 F/G, He 111 H-16.

 

I would like to see this too if possible.

[=/Hospiz/=MetalHead]

23 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

I would like to see this too if possible.

Rather unlikely, at least for now.
Keep in mind that every additional basic is also additional +1 plane per player. We want to keep number of basic planes low, so players have to take care of their hangar. 
You can still choose "Typhoon" line and get that plane as first unlock if you like it

[Gora_]

Can you tell us about death penalty time? 

[JG4_Matthias]

last question, do the cards go 3 hours again?

Edited September 19, 2021 by JG4_Matthias

[ACG_Smokejumper]

Popped in to say you guys did rad preview video! Well done.

 

I look forward to the next campaign. Thanks for all the hard work you do for all of us to have a laugh.

 

 

Edited September 19, 2021 by No.610_Smokejumper

[=/Hospiz/=MetalHead]

2 hours ago, RavN_Gora said:

Can you tell us about death penalty time? 

We're back to 3 lives and 20hr penalty. +0.2 life for a sortie with CP.

 

41 minutes ago, JG4_Matthias said:

last question, do the cards go 3 hours again?

2h 45 min +/- 5 min as it was on the last western edition.

A new, improved manual is coming thanks to @=KG76=flyus747.
It's still few days away as we are making last checks and edits. I hope it will answer a lot of your questions when it finally comes.

[Gora_]

1 hour ago, =/Hospiz/=MetalHead said:

We're back to 3 lives and 20hr penalty. +0.2 life for a sortie with CP.

 

 
 

Great to hear that! Looking forward for this TAW. Thanks LG and anyone that is involved in this project.