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Hey wait a minute :P , just realized, I haven't seen a Mitsubishi Zero that is at a high enough standard to drive around anywhere lately, (cough, hint ;) ). It would be nice to fly one here one day as well :ph34r: .

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Jason I am with you in your vision (many thanks). I support you  :salute:

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The discounted pre-order price means that I've bought the Ju52 -  but only because it is something that I want to fly. The Yak-1b doesn't interest me for the moment (neither does the Macchi or P-40). There seems to be a theme here... more aircraft with more than one engine please!   :)

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I understand the budget problem ecc. ecc. as for the high quality human resources involved ecc. ecc. but somebody could see the price to high considering BoS-BoM price. I don't know if we can repeat the same we did for RoF, where we did buy everything just to support it. Take care of this.

 

 

The part with budget problems is something what is hard to believe because why I read everytime IL-2 BoS & BoM is developed by 1C Company? And what emblem we have below 1CGS & 777 Studios. With 1C Company it starts and ends, short said.

What human resources I need to change a Yak-1 to Yak-1b? The FM is already done and the 3D model, too. Some small changes here and there..... Same goes for the Ju-52

 

Seperate Premium Planes or now Collector Planes are expensive and this never will be changed. Cheap was the bundle version where you get 8 planes for $49,99 or 10 planes for $79,99. Compared to what people are willing to pay in DCS World, FSX, WarThunder or X-Plane 10 are the IL-2 bundle versions more than cheap. Things can change? What happend if IL-2 adopt the prices from DCS World, FSX, WarThunder or X-Plane 10. They can if they want........

 

Companies learn from others and see what people are willing to pay and how far they can go.........

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I think $15 - 20 is a fair price for a Ju52. Not sure if I would pay more than that 14.99 for a single prop in BoS quality though. For that I'd like to have better documentation for every plane (pdf) and shared data about actual performance and better technical and customizable graphic and control settings.

 

I'm curious to see how BoS is going to place itself in the future - is it going to be the "little brother" of DCS forever where it sits between WarThunder and DCS or is it going to even attack DCS in quality and realism? Or only the busniess model? I'd love to see 3rd party companies make planes and maps for BoS and then it would become a "DCS light". That's what I'd be trying however.

 

We will see, let's hope the recent development in flight sims does grow the sim community as a whole and the future will be bright :)

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Maybe both ED and 1CGS should make a joint venture,get rid of IL-2 sturmovik trademark (let it R.I.P) and combine the forces for ultimate CFS experience  :pilot:

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Compared to what people are willing to pay in DCS World, FSX, WarThunder or X-Plane 10 are the IL-2 bundle versions more than cheap.

 

This is an often heard comparison, unfair imho. DCS birds have clickpits, and waaay more aircraft features modelled. More modelling means a higher price, right?

 

Both BOS and DCS & Co are doing just fine within what they offer their audience.

 

And yes, with Jason from the beginning, preordered both and wish you good luck!

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DCS is so far behind BOS/BOM that it is not fair to compare the 2.  Now talk dollars and content and its not even close.  IL2 is a great value because of MATH.

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Txs Jason for these new planes..

In my opinion ( and I hope) the Ju52 is really important to focus and develop online wars with dinamic front (the tournaments like in old Il2 since first years 2000)...I will buy Ju52 soon.

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Ordered! Thx for all the work y'all put into this. This is one of the best sims out there, and down the line if you happen to add a few more American lend lease planes I'd be more than happy to keep buying into this project.

 

Keep up the hard work Fam.

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b) It's pretty damn good overall. Whoever says they aren't impressed by the flight dynamics of RoF BoS and BoM is either ignorant of how aircraft fly or a liar.

Jimmy are you a pilot in real ?

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Jimmy are you a pilot in real ?

Dunno about Jimmy but I am (albeit glider) and the fluid feel and secondary control reactions are good. I'd agree with Jimmy on this. Overall aircraft performance doesn't interest me, how they "feel" does. I bought in at the start, bought these too :)

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 And someday i'd like to go back to WWI

What will happen if your first sortie was a boring one in an outdated plane? Would you still fly out there risking your life on your situational awareness skill?

 

I do love these combat sims, but unfortunately I still doubt my situational awareness ability. It may improve if I got proper head tracking (currentltly ( just use shift+ Q/E, W/S keys to look around and Q/E, A/D, R/F keys to move the head) but never theless, in a heated situation in real life, my situational awareness seems to go down. It's like worring so much about your safety that you concentrated on areas that you didn't need to, and didn't notice something vital.

 

It makes me wonder how do pilots who jump off the training line with less than 50 hours end up surviving the war despite having 50+ or so sorties without air victories.

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Dunno about Jimmy but I am (albeit glider) and the fluid feel and secondary control reactions are good. I'd agree with Jimmy on this. Overall aircraft performance doesn't interest me, how they "feel" does. I bought in at the start, bought these too :)

This. Flying gliders gives you a clear picture of how aerodynamics work and the way RoF and BoS modeles turbulence, adverse yaw and controll balance it simply superiour to what I've yet expirienced im a true WW2 flight sim. Yes, there are issues with yaw induced roll on certain aircraft, but I'm sure thise will be tackled down.

 

That said, the Ju52 certainly will be interesting to fly with takeoff speed of 110 km/h. :)

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The discounted pre-order price means that I've bought the Ju52 -  but only because it is something that I want to fly. The Yak-1b doesn't interest me for the moment (neither does the Macchi or P-40). There seems to be a theme here... more aircraft with more than one engine please!   :)

 

Hi Mate

I will purchase both myself, but I never flown the YAK so far and I probably will not in the future. I am looking forward to the JU 52 for some odd reason, 

We will fly formation with it :) 

The P 40 is the kind of plane I like to fly, it really is a underdog in aerial combat if it is heavy, but very nice ground pounder and lovely cockpit, got a soft spot for it. If I flew axis and liked fighters I would prefer the 202, it is outstanding and in my mind very accurate historically. It is the one fighter in this game I really liked. I have flown it too little for getting too nitpicking about its FM , but it is a joy.

I think if this sim got a future , we will see a Russian level bomber, it is about time. And I will struggle not to fly axis side if we get the HS 129 , in my mind with the flight dynamics we got in this game it will be like flying a brick, like it was. Old IL 2 HS 129 was fair, but I really think it will be a great plane here

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In for a penny, in for a pound :-) Both pre-ordered ; good luck with the future progression of the sim Jason, the original il-2 gave me so much enjoyment and a best friend who I know would also be rooting for you and your aims, were he still with us.

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Jason, any chance that we can get a ballpark number of players who pre-ordered a month or two down the road? I think it'd be interesting to see how many of us are willing to put the money down.

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Jason, any chance that we can get a ballpark number of players who pre-ordered a month or two down the road? I think it'd be interesting to see how many of us are willing to put the money down.

Bad idea, in a free world people may do what they like with their money.

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I got The yak just to support the game, I haven't got a PC fast enough to run this game anymore (one day though).. Might get the ju52 later after I actually get a Computer lol.

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I think it would be reassuring to the community if there were to be some sort of announcement if we stepped up like so many claimed they would. Perhaps not real numbers, just a comment saying good or bad results were achieved. So far it looks promising based on this thread I think.

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Glad you think so. Announcing backer numbers for pre-orders is fairly common in industry.

Only if it is a success.

 

You will not find out BoS , BoM or collector planes sales numbers.

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It's an easy plan. Start with the Battle of France and over the next 5 1/2 years cover the rest of the air war of WWII.

 

I really don't know what the difficulty is!

 

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Purchased!

 

I think in a show of solidarity, the first few hours online Yak-1b's should just equip themselves with smoke generators, and escort unarmed Ju-52's to perfect three point landings at Pitomnik. :)

 

A man can dream. 

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Glad you think so. Announcing backer numbers for pre-orders is fairly common in industry.

You are right, but people tend to be hanged by their balls in this forum if they don't do what expected of them.

I buy all ww2 sim and related addons, just because there is a real danger we will not have any ww2 sim in the future. Not because of game developers , but lack of interest among us.

The only measure of interest is measured in money

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Ordered the Yak 1b the Tante Ju has no interest for me, doing short missions in a 200km/h target? No thanks. And this is my opinion.

Even if it is a great plane for the missions for what it was built for! Transport and nothing else even if it had a short carrier has a bomber and mine Sweeper.

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Typically airplanes sell a few hundred the first few days. But over time we need several thousand tens of thousands. That's all I can say at this point. I can't talk specifics.

 

I hate having to climb out of a ditch because the chat becomes more about the business instead of the product itself. If you bought one and told your friends you've done a great service. If we're still here 18 months from now, we all did our jobs.

 

Building such sims takes millions of dollars. Even with our small team it takes a lot of money. Everyone has bills and families to feed. 1C is willing to support a moderately sized budget to do MOST of what we want, but to get everything we want we need to do it over a couple products. That means the first few projects need good sales, but we don't have everything you want built to drive sales, so we end up in a chicken or egg situation. I hate this so much. This is why I have to ASK you to support the "vision" even if all features/content is not built yet. This is the reality of hardcore flight-sim developers. There is no angel investor, there is no magic way to make a AAA hardcore combat-sim title awesome right away in today's reality. And the nature of the sim community, as passionate as they are, make it difficult to make a mistake and recover.

 

I'm hoping the stuff we plan to build will tickle the better nature of the sim community and we'll have the support we need to keep going and make it all.

 

And don't blame 1C. They have been a willing partner even with the unsuccessful CLOD launch. They lost their shorts and they came back for more with us. That is definitely a hard headed move. Most publishers would bail and not return. I still want to show an investor you can make "serious" money with sims, but it's damn hard.

 

I hope to Jesus this genre survives. It's such a great source for understanding history, aviation and entertainment. We have the ability to keep it alive, but we must be more supportive when the developer makes a good faith effort to make what you like. Will we make everything everybody wants? No, that's impossible, but we can make an amazing product that has the vast majority of stuff you do want and re-create air combat in WWII or WWI in very convincing way.

 

Jason

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Typically airplanes sell a few hundred the first few days. But over time we need several thousand tens of thousands. That's all I can say at this point. I can't talk specifics.

 

I hate having to climb out of a ditch because the chat becomes more about the business instead of the product itself. If you bought one and told your friends you've done a great service. If we're still here 18 months from now, we all did our jobs.

 

Building such sims takes millions of dollars. Even with our small team it takes a lot of money. Everyone has bills and families to feed. 1C is willing to support a moderately sized budget to do MOST of what we want, but to get everything we want we need to do it over a couple products. That means the first few projects need good sales, but we don't have everything you want built to drive sales, so we end up in a chicken or egg situation. I hate this so much. This is why I have to ASK you to support the "vision" even if all features/content is not built yet. This is the reality of hardcore flight-sim developers. There is no angel investor, there is no magic way to make a AAA hardcore combat-sim title awesome right away in today's reality. And the nature of the sim community, as passionate as they are, make it difficult to make a mistake and recover.

 

I'm hoping the stuff we plan to build will tickle the better nature of the sim community and we'll have the support we need to keep going and make it all.

 

And don't blame 1C. They have been a willing partner even with the unsuccessful CLOD launch. They lost their shorts and they came back for more with us. That is definitely a hard headed move. Most publishers would bail and not return. I still want to show an investor you can make "serious" money with sims, but it's damn hard.

 

I hope to Jesus this genre survives. It's such a great source for understanding history, aviation and entertainment. We have the ability to keep it alive, but we must be more supportive when the developer makes a good faith effort to make what you like. Will we make everything everybody wants? No, that's impossible, but we can make an amazing product that has the vast majority of stuff you do want and re-create air combat in WWII or WWI in very convincing way.

 

Jason

 

 

Fully understanding. You have my full support.

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Just on holiday sipping cool whiskey by the pool but I'll preorder both as soon as I get back. You make 'em an' I'll buy 'em'.

 

Cheers.

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i hope you think about doing the Bf 110 G-2 as well :)

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Well said Jason, again best of luck.... :good:


Fully understanding. You have my full support.

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