Tactical Air War

[KoN_]

On 2/13/2021 at 7:25 PM, JG77_Ammi said:

thats false in so many ways. in my early taw days the red side was always outnumbering the blue side. it changed because of the players not of the devs. accusing the lg of being biased is unfair. the lg in particular changes sides in just about every campaign. most squads do. you can see it here https://forgotten-taw.tuttovola.org/
 

Like you said your new to TAW . And where do i quote that LG is biased and unfair .. Hmmmmm !! 

Edited April 7, 2021 by KoN_

[ACG_Medln]

1 hour ago, =LG=Blakhart said:

Thanks.
To clarify, I did me reasearch via books, magazines and internet. Forum is a 2nd hand option. No worries.

 

I asked for support and recived historical data from many players, history fans from both sides.

Part of my conversation.

 

I can play this  "Historical accuracy game" - "I want this" and I`m using my "historical AMRAAMs" all day. 
Cool stuff.
Prepared myself well .

 

Si vis pacem para bellum.

1-0 so far

 

p.s.

Sorry, I`m out, need to finish new Manual.

Everyone who want to take part in BETA TESTS which should start in next week, need to contact with me on pm via Discord to receive new Manual and password to enter the server.

You can find me at TAW DC, click the link
What is more, we will slowly move general TAW discussion from forum to DC in next months

https://discord.gg/fNPpxz5wBg


 

could we please step back a little from the 1 to 1 historic accuracy then and just tell us that you're doing these specific changes because that's what's best for TAW!?!!!!!

[JG4_Thibaut]

3 hours ago, =LG=Blakhart said:

"The Spitfire had turned tight into me, and he had me good. Only the protective armor plate behind my head kept me from being killed by a 20mm. I used to inspect all of the aircraft, as some men would take this plate out. It reduced rearward visibility by about twenty percent, so they removed it. I ordered all the plates replaced, and I made it clear I would court-martial any man who disobeyed. Three more of my pilots had a similar experience, and they were believers."

- Johannes Steinhoff 

 

 and

 

Galland in his memoirs mentions he was very unhappy when this plate was installed, the extra weight reducing performance. The next day he went up with this unwanted ballast, and he got hit by a Spitfire. Some projectiles were stopped by the armour plate. Needless to say, he changed his opinion about the plate that day.

Steinhoff and Galland.

Please contact with them ASAP change the historical orders and then told theml to catch me on TS.


 

 

I think you are misinterpreting these quotes a little bit. First of all -please correct me if I am wrong- I think those came from the time of the battle of britain or at the end of it. That means it was the time these armour plates came up for the first time in 109s. So if Galland and Steinhoff state that pilots took the plates off, they probably mean that these pilots removed them completely. They might have done it in that manner to receive the original view state without any armour plate. Now I would asume that in the following time, when were forced to have them mounted, they tried to find a compromise and only took off the upper part. 

 

Here a 1942 example of a successful dogfighter in the desert:

[Gangloff]

Just now, KoN_ said:

Like you said your new to TAW . And where do i quote that LG is biased and unfair .. Hmmmmm !! 

sorry i must have misunderstood something. it's been a while. maybe i understood devs as taw devs, and not the il-2 devs...and nooo i am definitely not new to taw.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Guys, what Blakhart said is sound and correct. It's been stated in historical documents, orders, and interviews many times.

 

 

Although I am having my doubts - if we leave the road of historical accuracy, then I may also be able to fly my beloved FW-190 A-3 from September '42 onwards...

Edited April 7, 2021 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[WokeUpDead]

5 hours ago, =LG=Blakhart said:

What is more, we will slowly move general TAW discussion from forum to DC in next months

https://discord.gg/fNPpxz5wBg

 

Why?

[Cpt_Siddy]

45 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Guys, what Blakhart said is sound and correct. It's been stated in historical documents, orders, and interviews many times.

 

 

Although I am having my doubts - if we leave the road of historical accuracy, then I may also be able to fly my beloved FW-190 A-3 from September '42 onwards...

 

 

Sure, if that means i get to fly La-5FUN 

Edited April 7, 2021 by Cpt_Siddy

[SCG_Wulfe]

I really think the headrest removal should be optional on the 109, at least for the specialist planes received by combat points. Ideally for all. This IMO would be the most realistic representation. It was absolutely a unit by unit, pilot by pilot decision. 

[FTC_daHeld]

Well, wether a pilot was allowed to remove the armoured headrest or not was manly a decision of his commander.  It didn't happen too often, though

Over the last 25 years, I've looked at a few thousand 109 photographs. Most of them really show the headrest installed. Especially the G model was almost always fitted with it. The pictures without it are really few and far between.

Things improved with the introduction of the armoured glass headrest, the "Galland-Panzer", of course. But the production of the glass was very slow in the beginning, so that there were still often metal plates in use even after the Elra-Haube was introduced in the spring of 1944.

 

So I really get Blakhart's reasoning. But it also hampers the rearward visibility a lot, so I don't really know what the correct course of action would be.

Historically, the armour plate should be there.

Gameplay-wise, it's more fun without it.

 

I'm really looking forward to the campaign, though. I like the more historically accurate approach very much. Let's see how it turns out.

 

I also think they should keep the techno-chat off. I find it much more immersive that way, without loosing the chat function. 

I don't like flying around with guys that call out "80% throttle" for example. It tells me in an instant that those guys do not know what they're doing... I always tell them: "For god's sake look at your instruments and tell me the readings". Everyone in the squadron I lead (one of ACG's German-speaking squadrons) knows how to read their instruments.

[Blakhart]

Only less than 20 people want to help with tests ?
Well that`s strange...
Anyways I wait on Discord for your applications

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13 hours ago, JG4_Thibaut said:

 

 

This is for all players who will try to put any kind of pressure for making now changes for private business ( mostly because they fly only on one side ) to make things easier and better and boost some lines, etc.


This project gathers 800-1000 players in total per season ( according to stats ).
Active players is around 300-400.

It was extremely challenging to create a new system which will help balance, make both sides eqally atractive, improve  gameplay, renew the TAW, fit new historical planeset and keep it playable and first of all realistic.

 

Why such blackhearted dude is in charge of this generation shift ? ? ?
I was away from virtual flying last 5 years due to my work and family so let me introduce myself quickly becaue I feel like for some of You I`m the guy from nowhere making a revolution and puting everything upside down.

I can imagine that for some of You my comments or decisions dont have any value because we judge people mostly because of their record, what they do, what we know about them.
And I`m not the public person in il2, didnt care about my YT fame either.
Some of You remember me from old il2, some know me from Berloga, where I mostly train to come back to old shape after all this empty years.

So...
I`m flying this game last 15 years in very competetive way.
Dogfights, coop missions, coop based front wars, online wars, campaigns, tournaments, thousands of training 1vs1, 2vs2 and 4vs4 duels on same and asymetric planes. Dont even know how many hours I wasted in virtual skies...
Organised many events, campaigns and was one of the first TAW creators

Also... 
I have master degree and engineer degree of aviation, finished air force high school and Air Force Academy.
Active pilot since last 17 years with "some" experience and "few" FH on the back

So yes, if you want to start discussion on Teamspeak or Discord about TAW, simulations, balance, history, aviation or this game I`m always open but don`t expect You will just put pressure on me and force to adopt Your point of view.

 

 

But even with such background I know I`m not the smartest, make plenty of mistakes and in our community we have many great people, history fans, aviations freaks and specialists from different branches who have more specialistic knowledge and exp than me.
Really.
I like to have inteligent people around me who can help with their knowledge and show me my mistakes or explain me some areas

That`s why I kindly asked on forum and discord for help with both blue and red sides.
https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21029-tactical-air-war/page/519/?tab=comments#comment-1071215

Plenty of helpful and smart people helped me with their knowledge, sources, pictures.

 

 

I wasn`t even asking them about their private backgorund, how long they are playing, etc.
I didnt judged or choosed who should help, everyone could,they just had to bring strong arguments and reliable sources, links, books.

 

This is not about LuftGangsta dictating everything and forcing people to fly like we want, because this is our campaign.

 

This is about being responsible not only for one side, not only for few people active on forum.

Its about creating this game all together when there is time for that not when You have solo and private desire.

Remember this for good.

 

If any of you feel like they can add something that`s great.
Next season come with historical facts, books and links and help us when we ask for help not when the decisions were already made

 

And I`m really consequent about my words, decisions and promises.
So... thanks in advance and don`t bother now

Edited April 8, 2021 by =LG=Blakhart

[I./ZG1_HeTzeR]

22 hours ago, =LG=Blakhart said:

 

Hetzer... You old bastard ???

 

I thought You are MIA

naaaa, just busy trying to teach people not to die while landing ?

[CSW_Tommy544]

5 hours ago, =LG=Blakhart said:

I have master degree and engineer degree of aviation, finished air force high school and Air Force Academy.

Active pilot since last 17 years with "some" experience and "few" FH on the back

 

With such an interesting background, why don't you list some of the more interesting types you have flown/are flying?

[13/JG5_Ehrler]

19 hours ago, =LG=Blakhart said:

Prepared myself well .

 

Si vis pacem para bellum.

1-0 so far
 

I don't like your way of treating members of our community and mocking their arguments. Speaking as an engineer to an engineer, I simply have a different expectation of how to deal with each other. 

I have no fundamental dispute with you, as long as it really is a matter of historical fact. I'm not the right person to judge that. A 1-0 nonsense is needless here.

 

5 hours ago, =LG=Blakhart said:

This is not about LuftGangsta dictating everything and forcing people to fly like we want, because this is our campaign.

 

This is about being responsible not only for one side, not only for few people active on forum.

Its about creating this game all together when there is time for that not when You have solo and private desire.

Remember this for good.

 

It's good that you make that clear. It sounds a bit different sometimes. I'll write to you on Discord, see how I can help with testing.

[Antiguo]

The pilots that we bomb at level ... with which plane can we start flying?
This simulator is "lame" of bomber planes.
Will we have to fly fighters? .... attack aircraft?
(I'm an old ADW pilot ... and getting the bombers down to level was a very tedious job)
Greetings

[ACG_Medln]

2 hours ago, 13/JG5_Ehrler said:

I don't like your way of treating members of our community and mocking their arguments.

 

cmon everybody can handle a little banter! It's not like that he outright insulted you so what's really the problem here ?

[JG4_Raven]

Donation status report 04/2021

 

 

On behalf of the TAW server teams, we would like to thank you very much for your donations.

 

 

Many of you donated again in 2021.

 

You have currently covered the costs by 100%.?

 

 

a small note on PayPal donations:

 

Examples:

 

1.00 Euro donation - 0.37 PayPal fees = 0.63 € reaches the server account

10.00 Euro donation - 0.60 PayPal fees = 9.40 € reaches the server account

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100.00 Euro donation - 4.84 PayPal fees = 95.16 € reaches the server account

 

So it makes sense to make a donation of 10 € as 10x 1 € ?

 

 

A big thank you goes to HvB, 72AG, Jeremy B.

 

Thanks also to the many other donors

 

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Edited April 8, 2021 by StG2_Raven_VR

[JG4_Pylon]

You are welcome

[SCG_Wulfe]

Ultimately I certainly see and understand the historical argument for the headrest inclusion on the 109s. It was on many/the majority of them. 

 

However let me articulate my two main arguments against making it mandatory in TAW/IL2. 

 

The first argument I have is that looking around the headrest in game is not the same as in real life. In real life you have the ability to switch eye dominance to the eye peering around an object. This would mean that your eye closest to the side glass (depending on which way you are turning to look) would be able to look around the backrest more effectively than we can in game. (Your outside eye would be placed to the side of the headrest and be able to scan left and right while your brain ignored the inside eye's view of the headrest.) On a monitor you essentially have 1 eye that is a compromise of the field of view of 2 eyes. While this part of the problem is overcome by 3d vision in VR, it's actually even worse for VR players as IL2 imposes artificial limits on head movement on the cockpit. In many 109's this area that your head can move in is much smaller than would be possible if you could press your head against the cockpit glass. Combining this with the armored headrest makes it almost impossible to see any of your six. I don't think that we should be pursuing historical reality in this case if the realized outcome means less than realistic/historical visual parity vs other aircraft in sim. (I know that's a wordy sentence, if it doesn't make sense just say so and I'll try to elaborate.)

 

Secondly, while it can be argued that historically the armored headrest was installed on the majority of 109s, for many experten, they would have had the leeway to make their own decision on this. I think if we must lock the headrest for the basic planes... at least allow it to be removed on the 'earned' planes to simulate the choice that did exist for some pilots... at least those that had clout/had earned the respect to make that call. 

 

Some considerations. Think about them and do what you will.

 

 

Edited April 8, 2021 by SCG_Wulfe

[JG5_Schuck]

1 hour ago, SCG_Wulfe said:

Secondly, while it can be argued that historically the armored headrest was installed on the majority of 109s, for many experten, they would have had the leeway to make their own decision on this. I think if we must lock the headrest for the basic planes... at least allow it to be removed on the 'earned' planes to simulate the choice that did exist for some pilots... at least those that had clout/had earned the respect to make that call. 

 

I fully understand why, and agree that the headrests should be fitted to the basic aircraft, in the same way loadouts should also be locked for others.

And as you say, maybe headrest removal and the removal of other restrictions could/should be 'earned' by experten.

I guess this could be when you reach a certain rank, or maybe if the pilot hasn't been killed on that particular map.

It would also add incentive to look after your virtual pilot, but would of course put a bigger price on his head!

[JG700_Rammjager]

On 4/7/2021 at 6:28 PM, =LG=Blakhart said:

 

"The Spitfire had turned tight into me, and he had me good. Only the protective armor plate behind my head kept me from being killed by a 20mm. I used to inspect all of the aircraft, as some men would take this plate out. It reduced rearward visibility by about twenty percent, so they removed it. I ordered all the plates replaced, and I made it clear I would court-martial any man who disobeyed. Three more of my pilots had a similar experience, and they were believers."

- Johannes Steinhoff 

 

 and

 

Galland in his memoirs mentions he was very unhappy when this plate was installed, the extra weight reducing performance. The next day he went up with this unwanted ballast, and he got hit by a Spitfire. Some projectiles were stopped by the armour plate. Needless to say, he changed his opinion about the plate that day.

Steinhoff and Galland.
 

 

Steinhoff and Galland were right.

That armour plates saved their lives from 20mm shell. In real.  We have game.

Do You really belive that the same thing is modelled in game ? If You had an enemy behind and close to You in 90% cases You will be downed. And having that plate nothing change. Except rear visibility.

 

Ramm.

[JG4_Matthias]

The view is certainly restricted by the back plate, but you now know that it will stay in the plane and you have enough time to adjust to it, accept it and train with it

[WokeUpDead]

10 hours ago, SCG_Wulfe said:

The first argument I have is that looking around the headrest in game is not the same as in real life. In real life you have the ability to switch eye dominance to the eye peering around an object. This would mean that your eye closest to the side glass (depending on which way you are turning to look) would be able to look around the backrest more effectively than we can in game. (Your outside eye would be placed to the side of the headrest and be able to scan left and right while your brain ignored the inside eye's view of the headrest.) 

 

I don’t think you can turn your head back to the left far enough with both your shoulders held back by straps to have your right eye look around the headrest like this:

Instead pilots looked back like this:

I bet we actually get a better view of our six in game than real pilots could.

Edited April 9, 2021 by WokeUpDead

[Cpt_Siddy]

Fly in VR if you want to find out why there is, even now, mirrors in some fighter planes. 

 

 

I had fun time with neck pains when i was starting VR simming... Now my neck is thick like a lumberjacks bicep, i can kill with it. 

[Giovanni_Giorgio]

57 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

I had fun time with neck pains when i was starting VR simming... Now my neck is thick like a lumberjacks bicep, i can kill with it. 

 

VR pilot's neck versus regular pilot's neck:

[Barnacles]

On 4/7/2021 at 10:28 AM, JG4_Widukind said:

My comrades are very unhappy that the option of not being able to remove the upper back armor plate, I can understand that very well, because this option can be removed at any time, takes a maximum of 5-10 minutes and is only attached with 3 screws. This option should be for everyone be free because it is a personal choice.

Headrest Examble:109E and F are the same:

https://de-de.facebook.com/129889520415326/photos/pcb.4754029194667979/4754026351334930/?type=3&theater

 

https://de-de.facebook.com/129889520415326/photos/pcb.4754029194667979/4754023828001849/?type=3&theater

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe remind your comrades that if they are flying a model of 109 with that type of headrest, then in all likelihood their plane massively outperforms the opposition?
Maybe that will cheer them up and make them less unhappy.

 

[=GEMINI=IngegnerTommy]

On 4/8/2021 at 9:29 AM, =LG=Blakhart said:

Only less than 20 people want to help with tests ?
Well that`s strange...
Anyways I wait on Discord for your applications

 

Is there a testing phase open, for which you are looking at applications? 

TAW discord is rather empty of information

[Barnacles]

13 hours ago, SCG_Wulfe said:

Ultimately I certainly see and understand the historical argument for the headrest inclusion on the 109s. It was on many/the majority of them. 

 

However let me articulate my two main arguments against making it mandatory in TAW/IL2. 

 

The first argument I have is that looking around the headrest in game is not the same as in real life. In real life you have the ability to switch eye dominance to the eye peering around an object. This would mean that your eye closest to the side glass (depending on which way you are turning to look) would be able to look around the backrest more effectively than we can in game. (Your outside eye would be placed to the side of the headrest and be able to scan left and right while your brain ignored the inside eye's view of the headrest.) On a monitor you essentially have 1 eye that is a compromise of the field of view of 2 eyes. While this part of the problem is overcome by 3d vision in VR, it's actually even worse for VR players as IL2 imposes artificial limits on head movement on the cockpit. In many 109's this area that your head can move in is much smaller than would be possible if you could press your head against the cockpit glass. Combining this with the armored headrest makes it almost impossible to see any of your six. I don't think that we should be pursuing historical reality in this case if the realized outcome means less than realistic/historical visual parity vs other aircraft in sim. (I know that's a wordy sentence, if it doesn't make sense just say so and I'll try to elaborate.)

 

Secondly, while it can be argued that historically the armored headrest was installed on the majority of 109s, for many experten, they would have had the leeway to make their own decision on this. I think if we must lock the headrest for the basic planes... at least allow it to be removed on the 'earned' planes to simulate the choice that did exist for some pilots... at least those that had clout/had earned the respect to make that call. 

 

Some considerations. Think about them and do what you will.

 

 

Your point about binocular vision is interesting. In VR I do find that the addition of the extra armour makes a big difference to my SA, but on a monitor, it really doesn't matter. 

 

I think IRL some airframes just didn't have it, it wasn't just a case of senior officers deciding to feng shui their cockpits. Possibly it was sometimes shortage of plate available in the factories. 

 

Seriously I think if you're going the 'historical' point of view a proportion of planes should have a removed headrest, but from the competition side I would be happy to make a small concession to yeild a small competitive advantage owing to the fact that the planes in question generally have many other more significant advantages over the opposing side's planes. 

Edited April 9, 2021 by Barnacles

[SCG_Wulfe]

7 hours ago, WokeUpDead said:

I don’t think you can turn your head back to the left far enough with both your shoulders held back by straps to have your right eye look around the headrest like this:

Instead pilots looked back like this:

I bet we actually get a better view of our six in game than real pilots could.

 

You'd be surprised how flexible my neck has gotten from flying VR, I can only slightly rotate a shoulder forward and have a similar view to your woman in car picture. Also it is documented that pilots would loosen straps to look behind them.

 

This video of a modern pilot in a 109 is a good example. Look how much he is still able to turn his torso while strapped in. (Time to watch is 9:19)

 

(Also, try pushing back on your right shoulder with your left hand while rotating your neck as far to the left as you can. You will find that this actually increases the strength/ability of your neck muscles to rotate your cervical spine further than it would otherwise be able to without the immobilized shoulder.)

 

 

 

 

Edited April 9, 2021 by SCG_Wulfe

[WokeUpDead]

2 hours ago, SCG_Wulfe said:

This video of a modern pilot in a 109 is a good example. Look how much he is still able to turn his torso while strapped in. (Time to watch is 9:19)

 

He’s doing what the Spit pilot in my image is doing; shifting to his right to look behind to his left. His right eye is not pressed up against the left side cockpit glass to look around the headrest like you describe in your other post. Stereoscopic vision around the headrest is not happening here.

 

 

He can’t look around the headrest like we can in our unstrapped swivel chair or with our mouse and joystick hats, so his real headrest is more vision-obstructing than our virtual ones.

Edited April 9, 2021 by WokeUpDead

[SCG_Wulfe]

1 hour ago, WokeUpDead said:

He’s doing what the Spit pilot in my image is doing; shifting to his right to look behind to his left. His right eye is not pressed up against the left side cockpit glass to look around the headrest like you describe in your other post. Stereoscopic vision around the headrest is not happening here.

 

 

He can’t look around the headrest like we can in our unstrapped swivel chair or with our mouse and joystick hats, so his real headrest is more vision-obstructing than our virtual ones.

 

I don't have a swivel chair or use a mouse and joystick hat. I use VR. My seating position is compliant to a ww2 fighter cockpit. My point with the video was not that he was doing exactly what I stated and putting his face to the glass, rather that he was demonstrating the ability to turn ones neck significantly while strapped in. I can turn my neck further than he is in this video. Also, if I really want to see behind my aircraft with an 'outside eye', I can actually get the best angle by turning my neck the opposite way of the side I'm looking on. 

[FTC_Kongoo]

I´d like to see that pilot doing that while pulling some serious G.

[JG5_Schuck]

Its ok for me.

Especially as schools now (in the UK) just don't teach modern History, well only history they want us to know!

Interest in WWII aviation is kept alive through sims like IL2.

Hopefully historically based servers like TAW will give a better perspective and understanding of this.

And while IL2 tries to cater for all tastes from the casual pilot to the full real, we all simmers together..... 

Only by learning from history will we be able to prevent it from repeating itself.

 

[Carl_infar]

4 hours ago, ACG_Vietkong said:

I´d like to see that pilot doing that while pulling some serious G.

Exactly my thought

[72AG_Battler_]

Tactical Air War is a historical WWII simulator from the perspective of the participating air forces and pilots. It has a dynamic multiplayer server in IL-2: Great Battles that runs 24/7, as well as a dedicated website. It is operated and administered by the LuftGangsta team from Poland. All graphics or definitions used in the manual or website is only intended to maintain historical accuracy.

 

P / S Please do not drag politics here. This is a GAME ...

[LLv24_Zami]

2 hours ago, 72AGs_Battler63 said:

 

 

P / S Please do not drag politics here. This is a GAME ...

Agreed, politics is not allowed in this forum afaik. This is a game.

 

Edited April 10, 2021 by LLv24_Zami

[[-=BP=-]Slegawsky_VR]

Assuming most people here are familiar with Sutton or possibly Irving, its all good!

Lets enjoy this beautiful game, however freedom of speech must prevail over any attempted censorship.

Otherwise we will be fighting with each other over politics.

[Blakhart]

Beta open tests started

https://taw.stg2.de/index.php

 

Everyone who wants to participate needs to join TAW Discord

 

https://discord.gg/FeMjZ2MdZv

 

and contact with me via pm, to receive manual, instructions.

 

Registering is not working on the website ATM, I need to do it manualy.
What you will see in manual, is not the last word. Some features are still in development.

 

Bugs and problems plz report on this text channel

 

#bugs-and-technical-issues

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We slowly moving from forum to Discord to gather all TAW community in one place and keep closer contact and more friendly atmosphere than on forum.

 

Our Public Relation specialists on TAW DISCORD  is:
@=L/R=Maurox  , give him warm welcome!!!
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To clarify, I inititated this TAW painful but needed shift, and with help &  hard work of
@=LG=Kathon @=LG=todeskvlt @=LG/Dev=Skyman_ and others we were able to make this big step from arcade to historical version...

but...

,with the start of new TAW season, I will not respond on the forum.
what is more currently we don`t have ANYONE in the admin team who will take responsibilty of answering on forum, so after TAW start, don`t expect any feedback from LG side (except on Discord).

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Just informing you guys  so You should not feel ignored.
We still wait for the feedback with the new CRP rule after end of the season but only on Discord.

 

Best regards

 

Blakhart & LuftGangsters

 

Your beloved

 

 

[72AG_lnf]

=LG=Blakhart:
Tactical Air War is a project of a historical simulation of World War II from the perspectives of the airforces and pilots involved.
It features a dynamic multiplayer server in IL-2: Great Battles which remains online 24/7 along with a dedicated website.
It is operated and administered by the LuftGangsta-team from Poland. All of the graphic elements or definitions used in
the manual or on the website are to keep historical accuracy only - we do not promote communism, fascism
or any other extremist ideology or regime. All of these were equally horrifying and devastating for humanity.
By re-enacting these events we want to let you honor all your veterans according to your nationality and beliefs and who
fought bravely on the sea, on land and in the air, for their own life, their family, and their land.
May we never forget that and there will be no more war between us.
Amen.

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We at 72AG greatly appreciate and value very high the work done by LuftGangsta team, we  believe that TAW server is the best project at the moment. Thanks to its existence great number of pilots still remain in the game.  We however strongly believe that any form of political propaganda as well as any provocations aimed towards inciting interethnic strife should not be allowed on the project.

We do remember the difficult history of our country and hold it in high esteem, we believe that it's totally unacceptable to compare the Nazi regime that started the most bloody war in the history of mankind and the country which made huge sacrifices to make the Victory over the Nazi regime possible. The results of the Second World War  have long been summed up and unambiguous judgement have been made by the Nuremberg Tribunal, and there should be no attempts to change it anyhow or to undermine the graveness of the deeds of the perpetrating regime. We are not at all ready to honor the memory of the Wermacht veterans and kindly ask not to try to force it upon the community. Nazi regime is altogether evil. Nobody is forgotten and nothing is forgotten.
We hope for understanding and ask to drop the following text out of the new manual.

 

 

Мы 72АГ очень ценим работу команды LuftGangsta и считаем TAW лучшим сервером на текущий момент, благодаря которому значительная часть пилотов все еще продолжает оставаться в игре, однако считаем недопустимой какую бы то ни было политическую пропаганду в рамках проекта и провокации призванные развязать межнациональную рознь.

Мы хорошо помним непростую историю нашей страны, очень дорожим ею, и считаем категорически неприемлемым сравнение нацистского режима, приведшего к развязыванию самой кровопролитной войны в истории человечества и страны, принесшей огромные жертвы, ради Победы над этим режимом.

Итоги Второй мировой войны давно подведены, однозначная оценка преступлениям нацистов дана Международным военным трибуналом и не подлежат ни пересмотру ни какому бы то ни было оправданию.

Мы не готовы чтить память ветеранов Вермахта и просим не навязывать это сообществу. Нацизм - зло. Никто не забыт и ничто не забыто.

Надеемся на понимание и просим исключить из текста новой редакции мануала текст, выделенный в приведенной выше цитате.

[FTC_Cule]

We have everything right)

On 4/8/2021 at 2:45 AM, SCG_Wulfe said:

headrest removal [...] absolutely a unit by unit, pilot by pilot decision. 

No. T'was a commanders' decision my lad.

 

Why don't we play the campaign and only in hindsight with the experience on our back shall we debate whether it's a good or bad idea?

[WG_Muskat]

On 4/7/2021 at 7:28 PM, =LG=Blakhart said:

Everything can be fixed, no worries just conatct with Your supervisors!!!

It only remained to tell the developers that the armor plate could withstand the hit of a 20 mm ?