Tactical Air War

[E69_geramos109]

11 minutes ago, Operation_Ivy said:

 

For a start, not putting the P-47 up against the G-14. The Spit should be the allied +1 Aircraft. 

What is wrong with the P47? On the deck is more or less as fast depends the fuel and the guns you have. And over 5K the G14 is like a G6 so much slower than the P47 and higher it climbs even worse

[FTC_DerSheriff]

23 minutes ago, E69_geramos109 said:

What is wrong with the P47? On the deck is more or less as fast depends the fuel and the guns you have. And over 5K the G14 is like a G6 so much slower than the P47 and higher it climbs even worse

Would be cool if the 47 would not fall apart when u sneeze at it.

 

Additionally the 47 isnt a good aircraft for the close quarter fighting down low at objectives.

[Falkenstein]

54 minutes ago, E69_geramos109 said:

What would you change about planeset?

 

I'd suggest adding the Ju 52, I'm curious as to why it's not a transport option in this planeset.  It's fun, it's a steal currently on sale for $6.24 U.S. dollars in the store.  ?

[Blackhawk_FR]

37 minutes ago, E69_geramos109 said:

What is wrong with the P47? On the deck is more or less as fast depends the fuel and the guns you have. And over 5K the G14 is like a G6 so much slower than the P47 and higher it climbs even worse

 

P47 and G14 are about as fast until 5000m. Nothing happen much over 5000m, except those who like the low earth orbit. 

Btw, the G14 can sustain its max speed for 10min. P47 is heavy and not a good dogfighter. Well, it has his super magic flaps, but using them means you're dead slow and an easy prey for someone else. 

 

P47 vs G14 is not what we can call a fair fight. 

 

IMHO, G14 vs Spitfire9 or P51 (without 150 octanes) is more fair. 

[FTC_Riksen]

2 hours ago, E69_geramos109 said:

What would you change about planeset?

 

Map 1: Need to have 1/2 Spitfire 18lbs (+1) and Bf-109 G14 1/2 (+1). In map 2 add Spitfire with 25lbs.

@SCG_Gustav_Hagel

 

Why are u confused? Does it not seems fair to you to be able to fight the G-14 in equal footing?

Edited March 9, 2020 by Riksen

[JuliMonkey]

43 minutes ago, Riksen said:

 

Map 1: Need to have 1/2 Spitfire 18lbs (+1) and Bf-109 G4 1/2 (+1). In map 2 add Spitfire with 25lbs.

@SCG_Gustav_Hagel

 

Why are u confused? Does it not seems fair to you to be able to fight the G-14 in equal footing?

Do you mean a G14, because you wrote G4?

[FTC_Riksen]

1 minute ago, JuliMonkey said:

Do you mean a G14, because you wrote G4?

 Lol yes G14

 

Fixed.

Edited March 9, 2020 by Riksen

[Gustav_Hagel]

56 minutes ago, Riksen said:

 

Map 1: Need to have 1/2 Spitfire 18lbs (+1) and Bf-109 G14 1/2 (+1). In map 2 add Spitfire with 25lbs.

@SCG_Gustav_Hagel

 

Why are u confused? Does it not seems fair to you to be able to fight the G-14 in equal footing?

I  was confused why you'd to put G-4s in mid-late 1944 scenario. Gladly you corrected.

[E69_geramos109]

2 hours ago, DerSheriff said:

Would be cool if the 47 would not fall apart when u sneeze at it.

 

Additionally the 47 isnt a good aircraft for the close quarter fighting down low at objectives.

About the P47 Dm I have not that expeience on the plane to tell but when i fire to it I do not consider it as a Weak plane, is that true that being a big plane I use to put so many rounds on it that I obliterate anything.

Performance wise well, the 109 of course is better dogfighter than the P47 but that is not everything. Germans have the A8 an even worse dogfighter, D9 is also far from dogfightng Spits P51s and P38s. You have also two extra P38s as attacker that are great jabos with good load and that can be use as well as a fighter if you just dont put bombs on it and with a similar speed also with the G14 decent climb and decent turning. 

So on the firs map we have like 3 planes to dogfight low. 2x G14s and 1k4. While the reds have one better (spit) P51 (very close to K4) and 3 decent P38s. 

You are talking as well about slow dogfight but when the fight beguins with some alt to build speed +400 kph P38s, and P51s have the edge turning because the Gsuit. 

 

The same happens on Taws where blues have to deal with much better dogfighters like yaks, Las etc they  have to use altitude to advantage and max performance to boom and zoom. But is what it is. 

1 hour ago, JG300_Faucon said:

 

P47 and G14 are about as fast until 5000m. Nothing happen much over 5000m, except those who like the low earth orbit. 

Btw, the G14 can sustain its max speed for 10min. P47 is heavy and not a good dogfighter. Well, it has his super magic flaps, but using them means you're dead slow and an easy prey for someone else. 

 

P47 vs G14 is not what we can call a fair fight. 

 

IMHO, G14 vs Spitfire9 or P51 (without 150 octanes) is more fair. 

Well the other day we were attacked near the front by +7 planes over 6000 meters so looks that a lot of people if flying high. P47 and G14 are very different planes. go to the deck and it may be not a fair fight for the P47 but go over 5K and you will see how the oposite happens and with even more difference. 

 

 

The only thing I can see a little bit too much is the Dora on the first map. The dora we have is the late version and not the early one that is slower so I would add the dora with the tempest on the second map Or use the tempest with the napier 9lb on the first one if you want to put the dora. 

262 also is too much. I think shoud be earned with a lot of CM or to be very limited that there can not be more than maybe 4? flying at the same map

Edited March 9, 2020 by E69_geramos109

[FTC_Riksen]

@E69_geramos109

 

The main determinant of survival is speed and not dogfighting ability low. You know that. You can dictate any fight with a faster plane, especially one that climbs better, so, please, stop pretending you dont have the upper hand. It will only get worse as the second map you have the 262 to fly and unrestricted DC engine on K4s. None of that really bothers me, except the removal of the major fighter the RAF used in the continent: the Spitfire. Especially because it should receive the 25lbs version. Why was it removed? Because it becomes a little competitive for 5 mins? At the same time we have Mustangs that never used 150 oct fuel on the continent showing up in the map ... Doesn't make sense.

[Barnacles]

Dear Coldman

An idea with the plane set a few of us had would be to have three 'teams' as far as loadout was concerned, that way you could have symmetry between sides, yet still have historically common planes and have a balanced plane set, i.e.

 

Allied flyers would have to choose USAAF or RAF, and they effectively choose between  p38s and Tempests.

 

USAAF (A) P47 (B) P38 (C) Spitfire (100oct) (D) P51 (100oct) (E) P51 (150oct)

RAF (A) Spitfire (100oct) (B) P47 (C) Tempest  (D) P51 100oct) (E) Spitfire (150oct)

LW (A) 109-G14 (B) 190-A8 (C) 190-D9 (D) 190K4 (E) Me262 (but cap on maximum in flight, like about 3 in the air at any one time)

 

That way the early map would not just be immediately the majority of the German fighters being late war (I.e. Winter 1944 onwards) yet the allies would still not be majority p51s/tempests

[E69_geramos109]

19 minutes ago, Riksen said:

@E69_geramos109

 

The main determinant of survival is speed and not dogfighting ability low. You know that. You can dictate any fight with a faster plane, especially one that climbs better, so, please, stop pretending you dont have the upper hand. It will only get worse as the second map you have the 262 to fly and unrestricted DC engine on K4s. None of that really bothers me, except the removal of the major fighter the RAF used in the continent: the Spitfire. Especially because it should receive the 25lbs version. Why was it removed? Because it becomes a little competitive for 5 mins? At the same time we have Mustangs that never used 150 oct fuel on the continent showing up in the map ... Doesn't make sense.

Man I am not pretending that I dont have the upper hand. At first I will not fight as a fighter this TAW and second the Speed of the P47 on the deck is the same as with the G14. Yes you can have more time limit than with the P47. P47 Is faster as well on the high alt. G14s accelerates better and climbs better at low alt but you can counter that as you do with 190s with yaks 190s A3 is not that faster compared with the yak127 and the time limitation is a big factor as well and with the La5s is the same so... The speed of the P38 is also equal than the G14 speed and you will have 3 p38s each so... From my point of view the tactic will determinete who has the upper hand with the P47 vs G14s

About the spit I have no clue why there is no 25lb on the second map and with the 262 I agree as well that should be not possible for everyone to fly this plane. 

Edited March 9, 2020 by E69_geramos109

[SE.VH_Boemundo]

11 hours ago, CSW_Hot_Dog said:

Just FYI, i would like to share, how cowardly Rammjager is. He basicaly do everything, to piss other pilots off. Yesterday, he started to attack us during landing aproach 5km from the base (because, well, thats only thing, he can do),  few times hits my mate, then we outmanever him and just after he realises he will be shot down shortly, he bail out without single damage of his plane just to prevent others have a kill. Unfortunatelly, despite he bail out 5km from our base and 70km from front line, he wasnt captured. As i said, he does anything with one reason only, to piss off others. I know he didnt broke any rules, but want to share his cowardly behaviour. He has permanent BAN on one other server already, hope he will piss up good amount of players to get another...

 

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=1761&name=JG700_Rammjager

 

 

How you know if he had engine issues? If my engines overheat and damaged sure i will bai out. Why I should stay in a plane with damaged engine? Better to bail than die.

Since in the game is too easy to get pked (and lose one of 3 lives) why i should stay and fight with no engines? In TAW if you bail out, even in enemy territory, you have more chance to not be captured if near the frontlines.

[FTC_Riksen]

1 hour ago, E69_geramos109 said:

Man I am not pretending that I dont have the upper hand. At first I will not fight as a fighter this TAW and second the Speed of the P47 on the deck is the same as with the G14. Yes you can have more time limit than with the P47. P47 Is faster as well on the high alt. G14s accelerates better and climbs better at low alt but you can counter that as you do with 190s with yaks 190s A3 is not that faster compared with the yak127 and the time limitation is a big factor as well and with the La5s is the same so... The speed of the P38 is also equal than the G14 speed and you will have 3 p38s each so... From my point of view the tactic will determinete who has the upper hand with the P47 vs G14s

About the spit I have no clue why there is no 25lb on the second map and with the 262 I agree as well that should be not possible for everyone to fly this plane. 

 

Yes, you are correct but you are only comparing it to the G-14. You have to remember that the LW also has the K4 and the Dora. The former is faster than all planes the Allies can field right now, even the Mustang while the latter is on equal footing. In a close contest like this, tactic will determine the winner but, at this point, the LW has the upper hand and can dictate the fights just like it did in the Eastern front although the gap between the planes now is narrower. IMHO, a fair match up for the basic planes in map one should have been the Bf-109 G14 vs Spitfire MkIXe (18lbs); both with a status of 1/2 (+1), with the P-47 matching the Fw-190 A8 instead.

[Cygi]

Co Rammjager  portki pełne ??

Brawo CWS

Edited March 9, 2020 by =LG=Cygi

[=GEMINI=IngegnerTommy]

Thanks to our dedicated escort tonight, we had a long A-20 flight and we managed to get back all safe.

Bombing was right on target, but Dortmund AF was already mostly destroyed so we just gave a +5% damage.

 

 

[E69_geramos109]

Nice formation Gemini. Would be so nice to see the B25 bombing like that. 

[Voodoo_Slayer]

Awesome work devs. Really enjoyed flying tonight.  Thanks for your hard work on this great server. 

[Barnacles]

4 hours ago, 71st_AH_Barnacles said:

Dear Coldman

An idea with the plane set a few of us had would be to have three 'teams' as far as loadout was concerned, that way you could have symmetry between sides, yet still have historically common planes and have a balanced plane set, i.e.

 

Allied flyers would have to choose USAAF or RAF, and they effectively choose between  p38s and Tempests.

 

USAAF (A) P47 (B) P38 (C) Spitfire (100oct) (D) P51 (100oct) (E) P51 (150oct)

RAF (A) Spitfire (100oct) (B) P47 (C) Tempest  (D) P51 100oct) (E) Spitfire (150oct)

LW (A) 109-G14 (B) 190-A8 (C) 190-D9 (D) 190K4 (E) Me262 (but cap on maximum in flight, like about 3 in the air at any one time)

 

That way the early map would not just be immediately the majority of the German fighters being late war (I.e. Winter 1944 onwards) yet the allies would still not be majority p51s/tempests

Further to my last, I think the 'problem' with the planeset is that the Luftwaffe has 2 planes that are an obvious generation later than the two basic planes d9/k4 ( winter 1944)v a8/g14,(whole bobp period) plus the 262 which has no real equivalent. The Allies' planes all have their strengths and weaknesses and cover the whole period, rather than being progressive like the Germans, so would you consider having a less 'symmetrical' (but still balanced) allocation of planes to the two sides?

 

You could of course just base your campaign in 1945, but I think many people like the variety of having early maps.

[FlyingNutcase]

4 hours ago, =GEMINI=IngegnerTommy said:

Thanks to our dedicated escort tonight, we had a long A-20 flight and we managed to get back all safe.

Bombing was right on target, but Dortmund AF was already mostly destroyed so we just gave a +5% damage.

 

 

A beautiful sight! I think it was just yesterday you were complementing a LW squadron for something similar. Good days if this sort of coordination becomes normal. ?

 

[=19GvFAB=Vlad-Executor]

13 часов назад, E69_geramos109 сказал:

What is wrong with the P47? On the deck is more or less as fast depends the fuel and the guns you have. And over 5K the G14 is like a G6 so much slower than the P47 and higher it climbs even worse

But with horrible visibility, all battles take place at an altitude of up to 2 km.
P-47D is slightly better than P-40
Low speed, no bend, slowly gaining speed, slow climb. Give LA-5FN instead of him Or more spitfires

Edited March 10, 2020 by =19GvFAB=Vlad-Executor

[JG4_Widukind]

Hi Kathon
Please could you put the spawn spots away from the runway?
There have been a few accidents with landing and suddenly spawning aircraft.

This Airfield was Dortmund. T

Thx

[FTC_DerSheriff]

@=LG=Kathon
I would be curious to know how the current Kill stats look like

How many planes fell to players, to AAA and so on.

[JG700_Benek]

Kathon I know you are a busy man but perhabs you can find a second to swing your banhammer on this guy:

 

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=3774&name=RavN_Gora

 

deliberate friendly kill.

[[=PzG=]-Southernbear]

Glad to see some AF restrictions on the 262 as it would make more sense, they could and did operate out of grass runways but again, this is a good way to balance without it seeming gamey like for instance not allowing it at all...I will go with and understand the Number limitation as I have dealt with it on Combat box...but perhaps maybe a timer like combat box rather then a number? So, you still must earn the plane in order to play it...but perhaps have the jets locked until like...40-30min is left in a map...or at least some time near the end of a map AND have the "Jet Fuel" esk bombing point like how Combat box does it and if they destroyed before the planes become available they DON'T become available...

 

The reason I say this...is having a limited number of jets and not 1 per person means it can be almost as bad as not having them at all if the 5 or 6 get gobbled up by shitty pilots...so TL:DR bomb the bombing point, Jets are locked for the mission, if it isn't, you must earn the 1 262 you can get and it only becomes available in later in the mission at some point.

 

This is just mean spit balling really but I saw Combat Boxes' system using the "Jet Fuel refinery" as a cool idea...

 

 

I will say though...so many pilots are complaining now about the 262....but this is just the calm before the storm my friends!!! 

 

[150_GIAP-Red_Dragon]

17 часов назад, E69_geramos109 сказал:

What is wrong with the P47? On the deck is more or less as fast depends the fuel and the guns you have. And over 5K the G14 is like a G6 so much slower than the P47 and higher it climbs even worse

aha ha ha)). The first turn will turn the P-47 into Po-2 .. At 8,000 meters, the P-47 is even worse than the Yak-1 when maneuvering. Why could this be? I have no ideas ..

[[=PzG=]-Southernbear]

Right...ok wtf....

 

Firstly, I'd like to know what TAW's Ping limit is... i.e the number that if you go over it will kick you....and if TAW has some sort of cool down that means if you get kicked because of high ping and try to join again, it will inster kick you at the map screen

 

because as an Australian with average ping of 300 to 450 this is really starting to piss me off...

 

At least Disconnections don't count as deaths...that is the one positive. 

[=LG/F=Kathon]

Quick update:

• il2missionplanner fixed
• spawn points on some airfields has been moved away from the runways
• time penalty fixed (in some cases player who had 20h penalty could get new much lower 10min time penalty)
• Me 262 on map #2 is available only on the border airfields (Furstenau and Paderborn)

 

@[=PzG=]-Southernbear The ping limit is 400ms

[E69_geramos109]

4 hours ago, Red_Pilot said:

aha ha ha)). The first turn will turn the P-47 into Po-2 .. At 8,000 meters, the P-47 is even worse than the Yak-1 when maneuvering. Why could this be? I have no ideas ..

Well The yak can manouver very well even at high alt and no engine power. I can not fight them when there is a good pilot inside because they  make loopings on a brick at high alt. 

Edited March 10, 2020 by E69_geramos109

[Coldman]

True p47 is fast but cant manouver well on high. its pure interceptor

[WokeUpDead]

13 hours ago, [=PzG=]-Southernbear said:

Glad to see some AF restrictions on the 262 as it would make more sense, they could and did operate out of grass runways but again, this is a good way to balance without it seeming gamey like for instance not allowing it at all...I will go with and understand the Number limitation as I have dealt with it on Combat box...but perhaps maybe a timer like combat box rather then a number? So, you still must earn the plane in order to play it...but perhaps have the jets locked until like...40-30min is left in a map...or at least some time near the end of a map AND have the "Jet Fuel" esk bombing point like how Combat box does it and if they destroyed before the planes become available they DON'T become available...

 

The reason I say this...is having a limited number of jets and not 1 per person means it can be almost as bad as not having them at all if the 5 or 6 get gobbled up by shitty pilots...so TL:DR bomb the bombing point, Jets are locked for the mission, if it isn't, you must earn the 1 262 you can get and it only becomes available in later in the mission at some point.

 

This is just mean spit balling really but I saw Combat Boxes' system using the "Jet Fuel refinery" as a cool idea...

 

 

I will say though...so many pilots are complaining now about the 262....but this is just the calm before the storm my friends!!! 

 

 

The Arado wasn't as fast as the 262, in IL-2 1946 P51s and P47s could catch if they started with a small altitude advantage. Also, that pilot/periscope controlled stinger wasn't as deadly as an AI-controlled turret, so I don't think the complaining will be that loud.

[[=PzG=]-Southernbear]

3 hours ago, WokeUpDead said:

 

The Arado wasn't as fast as the 262, in IL-2 1946 P51s and P47s could catch if they started with a small altitude advantage. Also, that pilot/periscope controlled stinger wasn't as deadly as an AI-controlled turret, so I don't think the complaining will be that loud.

Depends...I mostly just posted it for a meme, but if you wanna get technical I don't know too many P-51s or P-47s that can do 700kph as a cruise speed at 6000m in a straight line or for that matter 746kph at max speed in a straight line.

 

 

Now yes yes, getting up there would take time and in IL2 most people don't bother so realistically this plane probably won't be an issue but I thought it was funny....though do keep in mind looking at those 2 flights of A20s and He 111s there are clearly people who do take the time even if they are a minority....so only time will tell.

 

P.S. only the prototype had the fixed MG 151/20s...the Ar 234 B-2 (the one we will get) only had the Periscope for rear visibility...but it was unarmed.

@=LG=Kathon Thank you for letting me know, I was quite aggravated when I wrote that last night and I understand why such limits need to exist.

 

Could be cool if it was 450 but again I understand otherwise

[Kampfpilot_JG3]

hello 

I am new to this server and registered and logged in to play , when choosing the D9 , A8 or K4 i was denied each time , can someone pls explain why is that so ?

[Falkenstein]

@aminx504 , since you are new to the server just want to check that you have your account set up properly to fly Axis.  When I check your forum username, it shows that username is registered to fly Allied:  http://taw-server.de/pilot.php?name=aminx504

 

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

11 hours ago, [=PzG=]-Southernbear said:

Depends...I mostly just posted it for a meme, but if you wanna get technical I don't know too many P-51s or P-47s that can do 700kph as a cruise speed at 6000m in a straight line or for that matter 746kph at max speed in a straight line.

746 kmh for the Arado is most likely max power without bombs. The 262 does 870 kmh for comparison, so with the same engines the Arado is a bit over 100 kmh slower, makes sense since it's a bigger plane.

The Me 262 with bombs and continuous mode has a speed of around 600-650 kmh. The Arado would be around 550 or maybe slower with max external bombload, so it wouldn't be too hard to intercept for the faster allied planes on it's way to the target.

Edited March 11, 2020 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[Kampfpilot_JG3]

How do i change that to German ? once you chose a side you can never change  side ? i registered the German side as dog1 with password chose German and it did accept the registration , not sure about the email since it does'nt ask for one .  About kills and objects , when you shoot down or destroy a ground object you get no notification of your actions so that means you must go statistics at the end of the mission time to see the outcome ?  

Edited March 11, 2020 by aminx504

[Falkenstein]

13 minutes ago, aminx504 said:

How do i change that to German ? once you chose a side you can never change  side ?

 

  The TAW manual has a section on registration, account names, and registering two accounts.  FWIW, Col Ninny has a recent short video on How to Register and start playing TAW

 

 

[Kampfpilot_JG3]

i watched the video and i have both registered aminx504 allied and dog1 axis but when i go to the game the player at start up page is always aminx504 which is my steam name and registration username since day one 12 years ago . In the video he shows he has both sides registered but when i do the same it shows only the one chosen not both then when you go to game it shows only aminx504 on the main game page before going multiplayer . The name  will never change since this is before going to the multiplayer section and choosing which server you wish to enter . How do i switch to axis dog1 to play in this server ? 

more pics of log in , never together when i add second username in search  like the demo video.

Edited March 11, 2020 by aminx504

[Falkenstein]

I have not tried this, but as I understand what you want to do is fly aminx504 as Axis, and what the manual says is possible is:

Quote

To change the name of your pilot please log in and change name in Pilot profile tab in the top-right corner on the TAW main page.

• Change your TAW aminx504 pilot profile name (Allied) to something like dog4587
• Change your TAW dog1 pilot profile name (Axis) to aminx504

Hopefully that's what you are trying to do, and my understanding of the manual is that the TAW server will now recognize aminx504 as the Axis account you registered.

[Kampfpilot_JG3]

Falkenstein

 I want to log in as allied aminx504 which does log in and the server does recognize as allied . And this shows on my game start up page which is my steam registration and from where i purchased my game and add ons .

I want to log in as Axis dog1 to fly as German which does log in but does not recognize as Axis when i enter TAW  server . when i enter the game even though logged in as dog1 and i choose a plane i get the message as aminx504 denying it . It does not recognize dog1 in game even as logged in .  

It is not about changing name , its about changing sides which the server is not accepting even though the pilot is logged in as Axis as you can see above .The server is  identifying me only as aminx504 therefore allied and wont recognize anything else even though i'm logged out as aminx504 .

Edited March 11, 2020 by aminx504