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50 minutes ago, EWilhelmPaulus said:

Why no response from admins?

Are you sure that's the right sortie log? Looks like two guys with different names landed the hits.

Also the server stats are still a little borked after a few updates, so sometimes the kills is attributed to the wrong player in the stat. So maybe your hits weren't counted and the kill went to previous guys. Without a  track or video or something its hard to prove.

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As alyaws, problems with teams getting outnumbered.

 

Balance teams its difficult from my point of view, and even, after hours thinking how admins can solve, the only solution i've reached this: Force the players to randomly select the side where inscriptions are open, avoiding any bias selection for germans and russians for equal.

 

But how we can solve this to squads? Simple, squad leader inscribes the squad, squad its sended without question to Russian side or German side by a random selection, and then, by invitation the squad members can enter on that squad on that nation, but only by invitation of squad leader on a squad on a side.

 

Its random, 50/50, its fair to me. But its a totalitarian solution on my opinion, i know they are players and full squads who doesn't fly X nations because reasons i personally don't know

 

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1 hour ago, EWilhelmPaulus said:

Why no response from admins?

Looks like the player landed. Did he lose his whole wing?

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56 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

Are you sure that's the right sortie log?

Absolute certainty, no doubt!

 

37 minutes ago, SCG_Riksen said:

Did he lose his whole wing?

Yes, I cut off the left wing by the root!!


I should have recorded, but unfortunately I didn't do.

 

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I was in a 190, 8th Mar, I took off from Anastasievskaya and landed there.

I have just two sorties in 8th Mar (one without any shot fired and that one)

 

Here is my TAW status  http://taw.stg2.de/pilot.php?name=EWilhelmPaulus

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11 minutes ago, EWilhelmPaulus said:

Absolute certainty, no doubt!

 

Yes, I cut the left wing by the root!!


I should have recorded, but unfortunately I didn't do.

 

Yeah. I'm sorry Philipp but based on the logs alone it is kinda hard to tell what happened. I had a similar situation happen to me where the 109 crash landed about 5km from the AF and the logs considered him landed. No idea why.

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1 minute ago, SCG_Riksen said:

 

Yeah. I'm sorry Philipp but based on the logs alone it is kinda hard to tell what happened. I had a similar situation happen to me where the 109 crash landed about 5km from the AF and the logs considered him landed. No idea why.

Okay, there is nothing to do but to accept.

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Talking about that. Kathon, can you check on this sortie for me?

 

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=60346&name=SCG_Riksen (I put several hits in the 190 being piloted by 8./JG26_Whisky and he was badly damaged (leaking fuel and coolant). I left him alone as I did not want to waste more ammunition and was certain that he would not make it back. His logs show that he indeed did not make it back:

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=60335&name=8./JG26_Whisky

But no air victory was awarded to me. Is this because I landed and finished the sortie before he crash landed? I just want to understand how it works. Thank you!

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8 minutes ago, SCG_Riksen said:

Talking about that. Kathon, can you check on this sortie for me?

 

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=60346&name=SCG_Riksen (I put several hits in the 190 being piloted by 8./JG26_Whisky and he was badly damaged (leaking fuel and coolant). I left him alone as I did not want to waste more ammunition and was certain that he would not make it back. His logs show that he indeed did not make it back:

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=60335&name=8./JG26_Whisky

But no air victory was awarded to me. Is this because I landed and finished the sortie before he crash landed? I just want to understand how it works. Thank you!

Katon some time ago replied to such query:

he wrote that if You start new flight, the previous one cant be anymore updated, so if You wouldnt take off but wait you would get that kill.

 

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7 minutes ago, Carl_infar said:

Katon some time ago replied to such query:

he wrote that if You start new flight, the previous one cant be anymore updated, so if You wouldnt take off but wait you would get that kill.

 

 

I see. Thank you!

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1 hour ago, El_Oso said:

As alyaws, problems with teams getting outnumbered.

 

Balance teams its difficult from my point of view, and even, after hours thinking how admins can solve, the only solution i've reached this: Force the players to randomly select the side where inscriptions are open, avoiding any bias selection for germans and russians for equal.

 

But how we can solve this to squads? Simple, squad leader inscribes the squad, squad its sended without question to Russian side or German side by a random selection, and then, by invitation the squad members can enter on that squad on that nation, but only by invitation of squad leader on a squad on a side.

 

Its random, 50/50, its fair to me. But its a totalitarian solution on my opinion, i know they are players and full squads who doesn't fly X nations because reasons i personally don't know

 

 

I like the idea and had the same one myself. The only concern and it is a big one... is that it could reduce participation significantly. Also, it could lead to strange anomalies where at certain times of day, the only players on are forced to fly on one side with no opponents. (This maybe could be mitigated by an algorithm that assigns sides in-part based on a player's declared typical play time)

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2 hours ago, EWilhelmPaulus said:

Why no response from admins?

Deep analyze must have been carried out ;)

 

The Yak from your sortie was damaged 50km from Anastasievskaya and he landed so the only explanation is that you cut off the wing from the different Yak near Anastasievskaya. Why there is no info about it in the logs? Probably he had been shot down earlier by someone else. I check the all events from that mission and there was in deed a Yak that was shot down by E69_villawaffe after about 45min in the area you pointed on the map.  I assume that when an aircraft is shot down (100% damage) there are no further logs about addition damage.

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I have an idea for balancing,

 

the Russians had the one decisive advantage at that time, MANPOWER and RESOURCES.

I would suggest changing the max number of planes & pilots per map.

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Is there a paradrop equivalent for Red with U2vs? There was mention of the U2's usage before this campaign started. 

 

Cant wait to fly red again next campaign though, this one has been pretty boring being on blue. 

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5 hours ago, SCG_Riksen said:

 

Yeah. I'm sorry Philipp but based on the logs alone it is kinda hard to tell what happened. I had a similar situation happen to me where the 109 crash landed about 5km from the AF and the logs considered him landed. No idea why.

 

Because in real life, your kill would not have been reported Herr Riksen. The XO would have asked you and your wingman "Did you see the plane crash?", and your response would have been, "No! I saw a wing fly off." :)

 

I have ejected my canopy before to throw someone off my tail.

27 minutes ago, [GCA]T1m270 said:

Is there a paradrop equivalent for Red with U2vs? There was mention of the U2's usage before this campaign started. 

 

Cant wait to fly red again next campaign though, this one has been pretty boring being on blue. 

 

You can fly RED any time you want.

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On 3/11/2019 at 1:04 AM, redcloud111 said:

 

I am in the same situation as Antpai. VOIP is blocked in my country. I would hope the devs understand that, even for people who have access to VOIP,  sometimes they just can't use it. I can think of many scenarios. For example, you have a new born, it's late at night, and the last thing you want to do is wake it up with, "Six, six, six," only to have your wife come storming into the room like a Banshee from Hell and wielding a broom stick like a longsword.

 

On a side note, thanks to everyone who uses VOIP but takes time to send updates via text chat. It really helps us who have to fly alone.

 

Which country has this law?

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9 minutes ago, 7./JG26_Smokejumper said:

 

Which country has this law?

 

Hey, Smoke. I tried to PM you, but the message are was greyed out.

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4 hours ago, 7./JG26_Smokejumper said:

 

Which country has this law?

United Arab Emirates. I am sure other countries in the Middle East have similar laws.

 

Skype, WhatsApp voice, FaceTime, Discord, TA, and many other smaller similar apps (trust me, the whole country jumps in as soon as some minuscule similar app is created just to see it blocked after a few days).

 

And before you ask, using VPN is also against the law.

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Hello = LG = Kathon, please tell me, what are the chances of pilots on both sides to avoid captivity?

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59 minutes ago, =L/R=Shoki said:

Did you read manual?

 

The manual says:

 

If pilot crashes or bails out over enemy territory there is always a chance he will not be captured

 

The question is perfectly legitimate. There is a difference between knowing that “there is a chance” and “what are the chances of”. Plus, yesterday I was surprised for not being captured when I was level bombing the reds airfield, deep in red territory and got shot down by AAA. I was under the impression that this only happened very close to the border and with low probability. So, I second Rammzess question.

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1 hour ago, antpaisvieira said:

 

The manual says:

 

If pilot crashes or bails out over enemy territory there is always a chance he will not be captured

 

The question is perfectly legitimate. There is a difference between knowing that “there is a chance” and “what are the chances of”. Plus, yesterday I was surprised for not being captured when I was level bombing the reds airfield, deep in red territory and got shot down by AAA. I was under the impression that this only happened very close to the border and with low probability. So, I second Rammzess question.

The probability of being captured is 20%  and 35% for Allied and Axis respectively. 

On 3/13/2019 at 8:35 AM, Norz said:

 

The supply is only about 10% possible (it does not work in this mission, only one mission after that).

 

For exampe:

 

http://taw.stg2.de/pilots_mission.php?mission_id=286

 

  • Airfield in Krasnodar was repaired to 48%
  • Airfield supply in Viselky was damaged. Supply level 31%
  • Airfield in Viselky was destroyed
  • Airfield in Krasnodar was supplied by air transport to 76%

 

1. AF was repaired. to 48%

2. Air transports were landed. Max is 100% and it will generate +10%. 76% will generate +7% of the repair. 

 

Or something like that. Its seems that the action log is not absolutly clear to explain how it works.

 

To repair an airfield by 5% (e.g. damage from 50% to 45%) it takes 5% from supply.

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23 hours ago, SCG_Wulfe said:

 

I like the idea and had the same one myself. The only concern and it is a big one... is that it could reduce participation significantly. Also, it could lead to strange anomalies where at certain times of day, the only players on are forced to fly on one side with no opponents. (This maybe could be mitigated by an algorithm that assigns sides in-part based on a player's declared typical play time)

Yeah thats the problem, the risk of lose a significant number of participants and anomalies product of a random system of inscription. 

 

Another choices to balance TAW its being more historical accurate, with more slots for reds and more resources, planes and pilots, forcing Germany to be always outnumbered by 2:1 as maximum

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5 minutes ago, El_Oso said:

 

Another choices to balance TAW its being more historical accurate, with more slots for reds and more resources, planes and pilots, forcing Germany to be always outnumbered by 2:1 as maximum

 

And you don't think the Blues would just go to a different server?

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5 minutes ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

 

And you don't think the Blues would just go to a different server?

Well as i said, thats the problem.

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7 minutes ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

 

And you don't think the Blues would just go to a different server?

 

Maybe, but then again, those that have been used to flying on red outnumbered in inferior aircraft might actually have more fun switching and flying on blue outnumbered in superior aircraft :).  So it might work itself out...

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"Another choices to balance TAW its being more historical accurate, with more slots for reds and more resources, planes and pilots, forcing Germany to be always outnumbered by 2:1 as maximum"

 

...ofcourse LW lose all campaigns......but is fun anyway.....

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13 hours ago, antpaisvieira said:

United Arab Emirates. I am sure other countries in the Middle East have similar laws.

 

Skype, WhatsApp voice, FaceTime, Discord, TA, and many other smaller similar apps (trust me, the whole country jumps in as soon as some minuscule similar app is created just to see it blocked after a few days).

 

And before you ask, using VPN is also against the law.

 

 

Whoa, sometimes I forget how free I am in Canada even if I complain about our free speech laws. Put's things in perspective a bit.

 

Sorry for derailing the thread a bit.

17 hours ago, redcloud111 said:

 

Hey, Smoke. I tried to PM you, but the message are was greyed out.

 

Pm sent to you bro! Always up for a chat.

On 3/10/2019 at 10:33 AM, JonRedcorn said:

Let's keep adding rules so xjammer doesn't keep gaming the server. Fun times.

 

If one player is causing so much grief...... Remove the problem. While I know I can be a grumpy opinionated jerk I do not go out of my way to ruin a good time in server for others. Once someone has made the choice to cause grief intentionally..... Removal of said player should be on the table for discussion.

On 3/10/2019 at 11:04 AM, AirshowDisaster said:

I think when it boils down to it TAW is glorified roleplay for a lot of the people who participate in it - but for some it's just a competition. The two different attitudes are destined to butt heads no matter what.

 

 

Why can't it be both? I prefer it being both for myself. A larpy competition and a good way to make new friends.

On 3/11/2019 at 1:28 PM, =2ndSS=KRIS_ said:

 fly to the team. At the same time you have 12 deaths. What are downed? What are you about. Учите силуэты

 

 

 

Ahhh, this explains why he didn't understand an English apology. No google translate in chat.

On 3/12/2019 at 2:59 AM, I./JG62_Knipser said:

Guys, could you please stop flooding this thread with all this nonsense and personal discussions!! Do you really want the TAW devs to go through all this bullshit? what is this, a f***in' kindergarten?!?

 

 

Guuuuuuuyyyyyyyysssss stoooooopp iiiiiiittttt.

 

Sounds like a 5 year old girl while telling us to stop acting like 5 year olds. 🤣

On 3/12/2019 at 7:44 AM, =VP=Alex-ru_en said:

 

Moreover, the server is becoming less and less popular for REDs. I don't know why...

 

 

We've told you why over and over. We're not playing target for the 109 whores anymore. When some of them decide it's okay for permanent red to have a blue turn by switching we might come back. Sign up sheets based on time zones is the ONLY fix.

 

When a side is full choose the other side or sit out. Balance in numbers is key so that there is an actual competition over the baby seal clubbing exercise we find ourselves in. It got boring. The thread fight is more fun than flying TAW. Our balance gripes have been clearly laid out so many times a boycott until a fix is in has been my choice along with many other forced RED pilots.

2 hours ago, LLv24_Oke said:

 

...ofcourse LW lose all campaigns......but is fun anyway.....

 

 

Perhaps this is actually a solution. Re-enact the war with set battles and see how it plays out but the end result will always be the same. Luftwaffe will lose.

 

It actually is fun. ACG has had this format for many years. I've flown on the losing side for a long time and still have fun. The outcome will always be that Germany loses and we have a ball.

 

INB4 stop spamming ACG stuff. Sharing information on how things are done between groups is how you improve. Take what you like from others, discard what you dislike. Coconut shares code for example. There is room for all sorts of campaigns. I used to love TAW and still hope to come back to it. I'm not playing BLUE target permanently anymore so until that elephant in the room is addressed I will play in the thread instead of the server.

 

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3 часа назад, LLv24_Oke сказал:

"Another choices to balance TAW its being more historical accurate, with more slots for reds and more resources, planes and pilots, forcing Germany to be always outnumbered by 2:1 as maximum"

 

...ofcourse LW lose all campaigns......but is fun anyway.....

I think the devs tried already addressed the local time zone superiority of one side by making the front line AFs unavailable for some time. I think it's a good approach, we just need more thoughts in it. So when one side has an advantage in numbers, we might add some more challenges for that side to work harder to realize its superiority. For example to make some planes locked until the numbers get equal again... something like that. Dictate people what side to use is not a good approach. For example if I like red planes for any reasons I wouldn't switch sides anyway.

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2 hours ago, 72AGs_Obi said:

I think the devs tried already addressed the local time zone superiority of one side by making the front line AFs unavailable for some time. I think it's a good approach, we just need more thoughts in it. So when one side has an advantage in numbers, we might add some more challenges for that side to work harder to realize its superiority. For example to make some planes locked until the numbers get equal again... something like that. Dictate people what side to use is not a good approach. For example if I like red planes for any reasons I wouldn't switch sides anyway.

+1

 

Also, if one side has a marked advantage in numbers, the capture of airfields via paratroopers on the larger/outnumbering side should be suspended (since the defending side has little if any chance to defend such an operation).  It’s hard enough to defend airfields, depots and tanks and attack same while outnumbered, it’s a tall order to do that as well as also protect a closed airfield from paratroopers!  Come on! :)

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Just a question on gunner AI logic.

 

I was flying a bf-110G and my gunner called out a bandit and then a few seconds later said 'out of range'. My butthole unclenched as I pulled into the clouds when all of a sudden my aircraft exploded and my pilot was killed. Evidently the bandit was sitting just below my 6 and got within point blank range before firing at me. Just curious as to why my gunner said 'out of range' and did nothing? Anyone had this before? 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, Darbzy said:

Just a question on gunner AI logic.

 

I was flying a bf-110G and my gunner called out a bandit and then a few seconds later said 'out of range'. My butthole unclenched as I pulled into the clouds when all of a sudden my aircraft exploded and my pilot was killed. Evidently the bandit was sitting just below my 6 and got within point blank range before firing at me. Just curious as to why my gunner said 'out of range' and did nothing? Anyone had this before? 

 

 

Never happened to me, but IIRC some said that sometimes gunners were ignoring enemies and did not react at all when under attack. So, sounds like a bug. Do you have a track of it?

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33 minutes ago, LLv24_Zami said:

Never happened to me, but IIRC some said that sometimes gunners were ignoring enemies and did not react at all when under attack. So, sounds like a bug. Do you have a track of it?

 

Unfortunately I'd just stopped recording when it happened. I'm sure the bandit was sitting right behind me in formation when he opened fire at point blank. Disappointing.

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5 hours ago, Darbzy said:

Just a question on gunner AI logic.

 

I was flying a bf-110G and my gunner called out a bandit and then a few seconds later said 'out of range'. My butthole unclenched as I pulled into the clouds when all of a sudden my aircraft exploded and my pilot was killed. Evidently the bandit was sitting just below my 6 and got within point blank range before firing at me. Just curious as to why my gunner said 'out of range' and did nothing? Anyone had this before? 

 

 

To cut it short - yes the clouds obstruct gunners view and they dont fire.

 

as it was reqested a longtime ago to the devs and was implemented,  The clouds obstruct the AI gunners view so when you enter the cloud he is calling "out of range" as this is the only line he has (he hasnt a line such as cant see him, or cant see a shi …)

Same is with night flying when the gunners dont fire till the enemy becomes visible to them which happens only after the fighter opens fire.   

 

Anyway acc to my experience to have best results is to shoot yourself. the gunners shoot short bursts even when enemy is close , etc...

 

Anyway apart from above mentioned view obstructions Unlike rof where You can sneak in outside gunners viewer under the tail in box the gunners see trough aircraft parts. For example in 110s the gunners shouldnt see what's under the aircraft

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3 hours ago, Carl_infar said:

as it was reqested a longtime ago to the devs and was implemented,  The clouds obstruct the AI gunners view so when you enter the cloud he is calling "out of range" as this is the only line he has (he hasnt a line such as cant see him, or cant see a shi …)

Same is with night flying when the gunners dont fire till the enemy becomes visible to them which happens only after the fighter opens fire.   

 

I did not know this.  I have always cursed the fact that it is impossible to sneak up on an AI gunner but maybe I am wrong.   The ground gunners don't seem to follow that logic as you will often see them tracking an attacker who is above the clouds.

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4 hours ago, Carl_infar said:

as it was reqested a longtime ago to the devs and was implemented,  The clouds obstruct the AI gunners view so when you enter the cloud he is calling "out of range" as this is the only line he has (he hasnt a line such as cant see him, or cant see a shi …)

 

Good to know. I thought ‘out of range’ meant the bandit was a certain distance away and you were out of immediate danger, not just ‘out of my gunners line of sight’.

Maybe they need to look at expanding the gunners’ vocabulary to “I’ve lost sight of him - you better start doing some of that fancy pilot shit or we’re dead!!” or something else appropriate ;) 

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4 minutes ago, Darbzy said:

“I’ve lost sight of him - you better start doing some of that pilot shit or we’re dead!!” 

 

😄   Funny but true nonetheless 👍

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On 3/14/2019 at 1:12 PM, =LG=Kathon said:

To repair an airfield by 5% (e.g. damage from 50% to 45%) it takes 5% from supply.

Can you explain it with more details?

 

For example, the mission #320

http://taw.stg2.de/pilots_mission.php?mission_id=320

 

1. I finished 2 cargo flights (2xJu52) . Why is it in the log only 32%?

15.03.2019 13:34:12 Stalingrad_Center #320 LANDED 0h 23m 31s 0 0 Ju 52 3mg4e +1CM
15.03.2019 13:02:00 Stalingrad_Center #320 LANDED 0h 25m 15s 0 0 Ju 52 3mg4e +1CM +Bf 109 G-6

 

  • Airfield in Ventsy was supplied by air transport to 32%

 

2. The AF had the damage 77% before. Why is it now 72%? 77% - 32/10 = 74%.

or is it 77% - 57/10 = 72?

  • Airfield in Ventsy was supplied by a truck convoy to 57%

I don't understand how it works.

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4 hours ago, Norz said:

Can you explain it with more details?

 

For example, the mission #320

http://taw.stg2.de/pilots_mission.php?mission_id=320

 

1. I finished 2 cargo flights (2xJu52) . Why is it in the log only 32%?

15.03.2019 13:34:12 Stalingrad_Center #320 LANDED 0h 23m 31s 0 0 Ju 52 3mg4e +1CM
15.03.2019 13:02:00 Stalingrad_Center #320 LANDED 0h 25m 15s 0 0 Ju 52 3mg4e +1CM +Bf 109 G-6

 

  • Airfield in Ventsy was supplied by air transport to 32%

 

2. The AF had the damage 77% before. Why is it now 72%? 77% - 32/10 = 74%.

or is it 77% - 57/10 = 72?

  • Airfield in Ventsy was supplied by a truck convoy to 57%

I don't understand how it works.

Ventsy after mission #319 damage:77% supply:7%

 

During the next mission #320 Vensty was repaired by 5% (damage 77%-5%=72% and supply 7%-5%=2%)

 

Then it was supplied by air transport by 12 pilots by 30% in total, so supply 2%+30%=32%

 

Then it was supplied by truck convoy by another 25% so supply 32%+25%=57%

 

I hope it's clear now.

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Question: With the A-20 in circulation, why isn't the 20MM x2 Gun Pods not available?

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