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Does anyone know the 100% working procedure how to start the Pe 35 series?

 

Sometimes it started...sometimes (almost all the time) just started and stopped.

 

Tried it offline with cold start - what worked for me is:

- Before start, ensure the radiators are closed (coolant and oil), and the prop pitch/RPM is at 0%/coarse

- Use normal engine start key (which starts the left, then right in sequence)

- As soon as the left/port engine starts, increase the throttle to about 15% (ensure brakes are on);  If you don't, at idle RPM the engine will overcool and shut down (which is probably what's happening to you)

- As soon as the right/starboard engine starts, increase the throttle as well

- Once the temperature goes up enough such that the overcool warnings go away (not sure of the temp where that happens, for those who don't have the tech text at the right), you should be good to go

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Tried it offline with cold start - what worked for me is:

- Before start, ensure the radiators are closed (coolant and oil)

- Use normal engine start key (which starts the left, then right in sequence)

- As soon as the left/port engine starts, increase the throttle to about 15%;  If you don't, at idle RPM the engine will overcool and shut down (which is probably what's happening to you)

- As soon as the right/starboard engine starts, increase the throttle as well

- Once the temperature goes up enough such that the overcool warnings go away (not sure of the temp where that happens, for those who don't have the tech text at the right), you should be good to go

 

TY, will check it soon.

 

P.S. It does not help.

 

but if you will stop the engines after first try and start them again..usually it helps (or 3rd time)

 

So, you need 5..8 min to start Pe2... nice...

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Use separate engine start keys rctrl + 1,  rctrl + 2

 

Full rich

throttles open to 15%

RPM low

All rads closed

 

Might take a couple of tries on a stubborn engine. Using separate start you just worry about each engine not both at same time. Warm up time to 40C on Moscow fall about 10 minutes @ 15% throttle the whole time.

 

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Im always flying with mate and they dont see the message.

 

i've no clue from where this can come from? Should i change netword setting in the game settings?

 

You have created two accounts, this is probably why it kicks you. AFAIK you are only allowed to have one account where you can switch names in the Profile then.

Tried it offline with cold start - what worked for me is:

- Before start, ensure the radiators are closed (coolant and oil), and the prop pitch/RPM is at 0%/coarse

- Use normal engine start key (which starts the left, then right in sequence)

- As soon as the left/port engine starts, increase the throttle to about 15% (ensure brakes are on);  If you don't, at idle RPM the engine will overcool and shut down (which is probably what's happening to you)

- As soon as the right/starboard engine starts, increase the throttle as well

- Once the temperature goes up enough such that the overcool warnings go away (not sure of the temp where that happens, for those who don't have the tech text at the right), you should be good to go

 

As soon as an engine starts set throttle for it (30-40%). Before you start the engines increase RPM to at least 20%.

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Hey All just coming back to IL2 and TAw after a LOOONG Uncle Sam Vactaion. the server shows 17/80 I try to join and get kicked. how is that with only 17 and my ping is ok. my login is good am I doing something wrong?? And it shows Downloading files gets100% then back to IL@ menu screen.

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The server is down, Borchers.

 

If it says "Server Stopped" on www.taw.stg2.de, then you will not be able to connect.

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I think the server is broken just now. I haven't been playing on it for several hours now and the site still says I am.

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Use separate engine start keys rctrl + 1,  rctrl + 2

 

Full rich

throttles open to 15%

RPM low

All rads closed

 

Might take a couple of tries on a stubborn engine. Using separate start you just worry about each engine not both at same time. Warm up time on Moscow fall about 5 minutes.

 

 

Thanks for that. From that video it took about 8 minutes before the first engine reached 40 and about 12 before both engines were warm because it took longer to get the second one started.  Why are you saying it only takes 5 minutes?  Did you forget that you set it to 8X speed while waiting? :-)

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I did a transport mission in a PE-2 this morning before work.

 

The whole sortie, including starting and warming engines was 14 minutes. temps were above 40 degrees before take off.

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I warm up my engine (in fighter) while taxing to runway. I don't understand all this guys (fighters) that are scared to taxi with cold engine because nothing will happen so dont block spawn.

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Thanks for that. From that video it took about 8 minutes before the first engine reached 40 and about 12 before both engines were warm because it took longer to get the second one started.  Why are you saying it only takes 5 minutes?  Did you forget that you set it to 8X speed while waiting? :-)

No, I wasn't paying too much attention to the time actually just that it is possible to start the engines, but I will edit my post, thanks! ;) I think a couple of thinks to speed up departure: Increase throttle once over 30C to put more load on engine and speed up the warmup time. Look at the RPMs which are bouncing around alot when engines cold to indicate the engines are "unhappy" in their current state, when they settle down probably safe to fly. 

 

OK, I just did another test and despite taking 3 efforts on #1 and 2 on #2 I was able to get it flight ready in 10 minutes, it took 4 minutes to get both engines going so in best (conservative - no extreme RPM bouncing) case (quick starts on engines) you could get it off the ground in 6 or 7 minutes. I also pushed the throttle up more during warm up. A couple of minutes @ 20% and then the remainder of warm up @ 30%

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In the Bf 109 E7 you can take off with cold engine. About 60% Throttle and increase it slowly.

Even on winter maps?

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Even on winter maps?

 

 

Especially on winter maps, since you have more lift on winter maps. Also with full take off weight(4x SC50/1x SC250, Headrest, armored Windshield, extra armored plates and full fuel off 400 lit) it should be no problem to take off in E7.

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attention

 

The slot reservation system is activ today.  Reserved slots: 10 

 

 

This means if the server 70/80 slots are displayed. Then you can not connect. Or you will be kicked again automatically

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21029-tactical-air-war/?p=563510

 

 

  • The slot reservation system was created for StG2 and =LG=  admins. The StG2 team rents the hardware server and they usually fly in a large group on Mondays. During the peak hours it was not possible for them to join the server in large group. The =LG= team don’t fly in a large group but sometimes we want to test something. If you are kicked out of the server after joining it means that there are no free slots left.  I will add info on the main page when server is full.
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Especially on winter maps, since you have more lift on winter maps. Also with full take off weight(4x SC50/1x SC250, Headrest, armored Windshield, extra armored plates and full fuel off 400 lit) it should be no problem to take off in E7.

Good to know that’s how cold starts can be handled in the game, thanks. Doesn’t seem exactly realistic, though.

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Good to know that’s how cold starts can be handled in the game, thanks. Doesn’t seem exactly realistic, though.

Full load take off with cold engine.

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attention

 

The slot reservation system is activ today.  Reserved slots: 10 

 

 

This means if the server 70/80 slots are displayed. Then you can not connect. Or you will be kicked again automatically

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21029-tactical-air-war/?p=563510

 

 

Is it possible to "buy" a server spot? 

 

Having 60 axis vs 17 reds, and the server kicks red players... i dont want to judge. But ....  :rolleyes:

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Is it possible to "buy" a server spot? 

 

Having 60 axis vs 17 reds, and the server kicks red players... i dont want to judge. But ....  :rolleyes:

 

No you cant buy slot.  The slot reservation system is  now offline. it still has bugs. 

 

60 axis vs 17 reds = is not good and that's not our intention.

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Good to know that’s how cold starts can be handled in the game, thanks. Doesn’t seem exactly realistic, though.

It is. You can warm the engine before take off and lose the time, or save time but take a risk.

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It is. You can warm the engine before take off and lose the time, or save time but take a risk.

 

And what was the ground crew doing? 

 

Only a scramble means a cold engine, and in winter time there no scramble - you can't even get engine of that size, using oil from that period, started at -20C. 

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Do you have a citation for that?

 

Seriously....... When I was mining diamonds out of Yellowknife I saw DC3's flying in -40C daily. I'm sure they are warmed up some but I don't think it would be as bad as that.

I'd be more concerned about the battery.......

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And what was the ground crew doing? 

 

Only a scramble means a cold engine, and in winter time there no scramble - you can't even get engine of that size, using oil from that period, started at -20C.

Realistic about engine damage nothing else.

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Do you have a citation for that?

 

Seriously....... When I was mining diamonds out of Yellowknife I saw DC3's flying in -40C daily. I'm sure they are warmed up some but I don't think it would be as bad as that.

I'd be more concerned about the battery.......

 

Yeah, in the year 2000 +- 18.

 

We got things like synthetic oil that is engineered to coil or uncoil on itself to accommodate wider ranges of temperatures. Not to mention that there was probably methods developed to do the cold starts. 

 

To start and WW2 era plane using that era oil's usually takes preheat. 

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To my knowledge you do not use synthetics in old engines. They are thinner and you end up pissing out oil.

You  are not providing any citation to back your claim.......

 

My avatar is my rig. I don't like to use synthetics in my 1992 4Runner or she pisses oil out the rear main seal...... I use nothing but synthetics in my 06 F250.

 

I use a battery blanket and oil pan heater....... In -50 the oil is still thick enough to hear it turn over. All the gear oil which is synthetic by the way is thick enough to feel every shift and driveline drag for about 10 minutes before it heats up.

 

No citation means you are probably incorrect. Mine is anecdotal to my real life arctic experience but then I'm not making claims that you can't start it......

Edited by 7./JG26_Smokejumper

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To my knowledge you do not use synthetics in old engines. They are thinner and you end up pissing out oil.

You  are not providing any citation to back your claim.......

 

In my avatar I don't even like to use synthetics in my 1992 4Runner or she pisses oil out the rear main seal......

 

I use a battery blanket and oil pan heater....... In -50 the oil is still thick enough to hear it turn over. All the gear oil which is synthetic by the way is thick enough to feel every shift and driveline drag for about 10 minutes before it heats up.

 

No citation means you are probably incorrect. Mine is anecdotal to my real life arctic experience but then I'm not making claims that you can't start it......

 

 

Synthetics dont mean thinner by default. You use oil that is engineered for the application and the environment that application will find itself in.

 

Wide temperature range oils usually are made of hydrocarbon chains that are more likely to coil on themselves in cold environment, thus thinning them, and uncoiling in hot environment and providing lubrication. 

I dont know what oil aerospace industries use today, but i assure you, whatever they use now is better quality compared what soviets had back in 1939. 

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I'm sure it is much better.

 

Still no citation........ You don't think the Russians who deal with the cold every single year didn't figure out how to remain operational in winter?

 I have no idea what that might be, some blanket heater? Electric heat? Fire? Or maybe, just maybe hydrocarbons even in 1941 don't freeze solid..... They just get thick like molasses and require warm up time. You can't kick thew tires and light the fires for a cold scramble of course but they certainly will start.

 

The probably fired them up before dawn and kept them warm all day.

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You don't think the Russians who deal with the cold every single year didn't figure out how to remain operational in winter?

 

 

Yes, they knew methods of how to handle engine in the winter. I think someone already explained how they did it somewhere in this thread, and starting engine dead cold below freezing was not what they did. 

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Its impossible to join the server atm because you are unable to download the mission file.

 

And i can't cancel the download and have to kill the whole game every time.

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