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RIP Taw.

 

Why in hell hasn't there been a cap for side numbers introduced yet?

 

Simply enact a 45 player limit per side and the LW fanboys can piss off elsewhere. There are more players choosing not to play because of the imbalance anyway. Introduce this simple measure and you will see them come back in.

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In between successfully getting the kid to sleep and before I myself collapsed, I got my glorious 16 minutes of flight time on Taw. I like the cold engine starts! And I get to use my new favorite word to describe them: immersive. Also, as a side effect people stick around on the airfield for longer meaning those of us not in a squad get to meet and tag along. Good stuff!

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I can see the argument from some of the LW lifers already. "If I can't play German I won't play." For that reason I don't think a registration limitation will not be implemented. Servers want players and things that will result in players not playing are unattractive. I'm trying to come up with a better soloution, but I don't have one. I hate to be 'that guy' but this may be a lost cause. The LW lifers are the ones who can really fix the problem but they won't. They have proven that time and again.

 

 

What is the worst that can happen if 80 Blues want to play but only 45 are allowed?

 

1) If the map is *not* full then Blue has the majority of players on the map.  They could still have 45 against 5                   --  Well you cannot blame the Blues for turning up. Red reinforcements could still come in.

2) If the map *is* full then only half of them are Blue.                                                                                                                    --  Oh no! How can Blue pilots fight without superior numbers?  :(

3) Half the Blue players registered decide to not play TAW this campaign if they can't guarantee numerical superiority   --  Disaster! If every registered Red plays regularly there could be...<gasp!>... equality!  :o:

 

Do people really feel that only having 45-80 players in each map will cause the best Server in BoX to fail?

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The challange as far as I remeber was to compare the german and russian attackers against the aaa 

 ~Snip~

  I dont understand the thing with 20miute fly time. In attacker plane you take off , attack the target like column, airbase def position and return so the fly time is short , especially when you are flying alone and not waiting for all your mates to hold your hand .  Unless you want me to go for the depots?

 

 

You fail to mention that there are now less K-61's in this campaign (I wonder why?)

 

If you check through the thread I challenged the organisers to fly 110's and Stukas exclusively and did mention a few times that many think the K-61 is OP, they said there was no problem with it and it was just "tactics."  If that is the case why reduce the number of them then?

 

Unreasonable did some in depth testing of the AAA and the results speak for themselves.

 

 https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/32578-bravery-being-out-range/

 

I also don't know if you were attacking targets that have already been attacked where AAA has been knocked out?

 

Hell yeah, fly to a depot by all means, maybe you can find someone to hold your hand on the long flight there?

 

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At this moment in time though its all pretty irrelevant, because the imbalance between Red and Blue is more or less killing off the campaign.   

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I think that limiting the 50 vs 50 slot would not be bad as there is the possibility of double account LW = gRiJ = and red = gRiJ = yesterday 60 LW vs 20 allies how many red you have the ability to balance if closed the slot can not It is a humble thought

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The same thing was on old ADW.

First maps - a lot of blues and only few reds.

Last maps - a lot of reds and only few blues.

 

Hell yea !! Blue won a first map !! ... and so f##ing what ?

I think reds wil win the whole campaign again.

We will see how the things will be right now when P-40 and ratas with Shvak apears.

The problem isn't in numbers of players on each side. Problem is with players who do not want to fly  on "based armamaent" ratas against "mighty" E7. Simply - they are afraid something.

27-0 is only when reds had one airfield open.

 

Ramm.

 

ps. the numbers wil change more eguall when BoS planes wil be available. Some ppl do not have BoM yet.

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Ramm.

 

I hope you mistake on your predictions.... end maps of ADW was a shame.... and some editons last 2 maps simply dont be played because no have blues...

 

are Admins thinking in apply some rule quorum like old adw ??  

 

thx

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Dear TAW-devs,

I would like to thank you for this beautiful new multiplayer server! It is a real joy to play.

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I flew red independently last campaign, but the squad I'm in decided to go blue for this one because we thought a lot of squads were going red. I haven't flown this campaign yet because I'm not flying blue when it's 60 vs 15 like I saw last night, no fun in that at all.
Hopefully the reds will turn up when the 'better' aircraft appear.

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You fail to mention that there are now less K-61's in this campaign (I wonder why?)

 

If you check through the thread I challenged the organisers to fly 110's and Stukas exclusively and did mention a few times that many think the K-61 is OP, they said there was no problem with it and it was just "tactics."  If that is the case why reduce the number of them then?

 

Unreasonable did some in depth testing of the AAA and the results speak for themselves.

 

 https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/32578-bravery-being-out-range/

 

I also don't know if you were attacking targets that have already been attacked where AAA has been knocked out?

 

Hell yeah, fly to a depot by all means, maybe you can find someone to hold your hand on the long flight there?

 

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At this moment in time though its all pretty irrelevant, because the imbalance between Red and Blue is more or less killing off the campaign.   

 

Yes I mentioned in separate posts above the k61.

The k61 was reduced on airfieds, defense postions, but not on tank columns which didnt have it in first place as per LG statement so it was not changed.

 

To check the aaa threat as per Your "quest" i was attacking mostly targets with fully functional aaa and reducing it in next fights (i was also for example calling on chat to attack the columns where I destroyed the aaa, but  with mixed results only in 2 out of several instances some people arrived to finish off the columns after the aaa was down so i switched to attacking airfields and defense positions.

 

Due to unbalance in teams I always was flying reds on taw (and blues, which planes are my favourite I fly on random), I changed this campaign only to blue side because you asked me for this exercise in attackers (somebody claimed that aaa on random is different than on taw)  and I thought You wanted a discussion based upon true arguments when one pilot compares the planes of both sides in similar conditions (so I'm trying to do it without any sympathies and fly  solo against the aaa in order not to cloud my experience with staked teams...).

 

But unforunately based on your posts I think you are not at all interested in it, You have only your fixed opinion and no data will change it.

 

And the blue team at least in my flying experience in red team has always smaller or bigger advantage 

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We will see how the things will be right now when P-40 and ratas with Shvak apears.

The problem isn't in numbers of players on each side. Problem is with players who do not want to fly on "based armamaent" ratas against "mighty" E7. Simply - they are afraid something.

Don't agree, I16 without 20mm is more than enough vs e7. I really like flying those , it's imbalance which results in further reduction of red players. Edited by 307_Tomcat
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I think reds wil win the whole campaign again.

We will see how the things will be right now when P-40 and ratas with Shvak apears.

The problem isn't in numbers of players on each side. Problem is with players who do not want to fly  on "based armamaent" ratas against "mighty" E7. Simply - they are afraid something.

27-0 is only when reds had one airfield open.

 

ps. the numbers wil change more eguall when BoS planes wil be available. Some ppl do not have BoM yet.

 

Can't understand why red pilots do not fly i16. I see only one reason that they do not have the BOM edition. At the first week 20018 it was only 20 eur in the shop. Can't understand why they do not have it at all.

Don't agree, I16 without 20mm is more than enough vs e7. I really like flying those , it's imbalance which results in further reduction of red players.

+1. i16 has a better climb. Just arrive high and kill e7. Simply.

Yes I mentioned in separate posts above the k61.

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But unforunately based on your posts I think you are not at all interested in it, You have only your fixed opinion and no data will change it.

And the blue team at least in my flying experience in red team has always smaller or bigger advantage 

 

The stat from the last campaign shows exactly what is K61. Do you think that your own experience can change it somehow ? 

 

The red team has great tools to kill the tanks.

 

So, very easy rules to win:

 

1. Stay high over the red AF and kill all bombers and fighters that arrive to attack the AF.

2. Kill the both column in first 20 minutes, as i said before you need something like 2..3 Pe2 or 2..3 il2 for every column (but for sure with the fighters).

 

Follow these easy rules and the blue team has no chance to win.

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taw)  and I thought You wanted a discussion based upon true arguments when one pilot compares the planes of both sides in similar conditions (so I'm trying to do it without any sympathies and fly  solo against the aaa in order not to cloud my experience with staked teams...).   But unforunately based on your posts I think you are not at all interested in it, You have only your fixed opinion and no data will change it.  

 

And there is the problem (in bold). In order to carry out a "fair" comparison you have to have the same conditions (something we no longer have) i.e less K-61's

 

I even asked the organisers to keep the same AAA set-up that they used last time but they clearly haven't  

 

Some of the numbers from the last campaign were very telling.

EscX5z4.jpg

 

Very interesting "data"

 

It's seems as though you think that I'm wrong and you are right though. I can only assume from what you have posted you believe that ground attacking using 110's and Stukas is much easier than using IL2's and Pe-2's and the Petlyakov is less superior than the 110 E-2? You also seem to suggest that your lone wolf tactics are better than my squad tactics?

 

Edit: We are flying Red this time round, so when I have a chance to put some flight time in I'll give you my impression of flying VVS ground pounding.

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And there is the problem (in bold). In order to carry out a "fair" comparison you have to have the same conditions (something we no longer have) i.e less K-61's

 

I even asked the organisers to keep the same AAA set-up that they used last time but they clearly haven't  

 

Some of the numbers from the last campaign were very telling.

EscX5z4.jpg

 

Very interesting "data"

 

It's seems as though you think that I'm wrong and you are right though. I can only assume from what you have posted you believe that ground attacking using 110's and Stukas is much easier than using IL2's and Pe-2's and the Petlyakov is less superior than the 110 E-2? You also seem to suggest that your lone wolf tactics are better than my squad tactics?

 

Edit: We are flying Red this time round, so when I have a chance to put some flight time in I'll give you my impression of flying VVS ground pounding.

 

I think You are missing the point.

 

As I understood the point of our discussion and Your chellange was to compare russian and german attackers when attacking targets defended by AAA (because I claimed that many german pilots make poor attack runs and get shoot down by aaa). To do it I'm flying alone (the team work is always better than lone wolfing, and in current game you need just 1-2 fighters to easy drag the aaa and each attacker even ju52 if armed with bombs could make its attack run). And I found that due to 110 and ju87 nimbleness compared to pe2 its way easier to doge the aaa while making diving attacks.

 

the german columns never had the 37mm guns so I started comparing with attacks on the columns than i went for the defense pos& afs which have the number of 37 reduced by half and substituted with 20mms, but germans dont have the 37mm in field so even the reduced number of 37mms is more than zero 37mms when I was flying red side.

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BS. 

 

But anyways, Our Experience of this Campaign so far:

 

Trying to get on the Server (which only 3 of 7 on our TS managed), select Pe-2, spawn, Engines won't start because they are Cold (which is fine by me, although Il-2 Start Up Modelling is annoying, I want to hold the Starter until it runs, not this wimpy 3 Second Bollox on Idle Throttle that only works on Warm Engines)

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Get Idle Kicked because Engines's aren't running and we can't move. And because only 3 of 7 managed to get on, 1 was kicked, all left.

 

So far then we haven't flown therefore. 
 

Please increase Idle Kick Time and tell people that they can still taxi with a Cold Engine. Just a little Message "Your Engines are Cold, you may still taxi, but let your Engine Warm up before Take Off"

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I think You are missing the point.

 

I'm really not.

 

My main contention was and is the effectiveness of AI AAA and that the K-61 is OP

 

You seem have picked up on something that I'm saying it's much easier flying VVS? 

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21029-tactical-air-war/page-163?do=findComment&comment=548133

 

I "invited" the orgainers  to fly as LW Ground pounders using the same set up.

 

 https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21029-tactical-air-war/?p=548810

 

 

They have changed the set up (less K-61's)

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21029-tactical-air-war/?p=548795

 

 

 

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But anyways, Our Experience of this Campaign so far:

 

Get Idle Kicked because Engines's aren't running and we can't move. And because only 3 of 7 managed to get on, 1 was kicked, all left.

 

So far then we haven't flown therefore. 

 

Please increase Idle Kick Time and tell people that they can still taxi with a Cold Engine. Just a little Message "Your Engines are Cold, you may still taxi, but let your Engine Warm up before Take Off"

This pretty much sums up my experience also.

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The same thing was on old ADW.

First maps - a lot of blues and only few reds.

Last maps - a lot of reds and only few blues.

 

Hell yea !! Blue won a first map !! ... and so f##ing what ?

I think reds wil win the whole campaign again.

We will see how the things will be right now when P-40 and ratas with Shvak apears.

The problem isn't in numbers of players on each side. Problem is with players who do not want to fly  on "based armamaent" ratas against "mighty" E7. Simply - they are afraid something.

27-0 is only when reds had one airfield open.

 

Ramm.

 

ps. the numbers wil change more eguall when BoS planes wil be available. Some ppl do not have BoM yet.

Eat your own words. However not using your brains and Ignoring the 2:1 registration rate across campaigns is kinda hilarious ... yes LW numbers change heavily with morale VVS do to to an extend

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21029-tactical-air-war/page-93?do=findComment&comment=451558

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Can't understand why red pilots do not fly i16. I see only one reason that they do not have the BOM edition. At the first week 20018 it was only 20 eur in the shop. Can't understand why they do not have it at all.

 

It does seem to true that many people  don't own BoM and have no interest in buying it.  I have friends who own BoS & BoK & BoBp and just about every collectible going but will not buy BoM.   I think they are missing out greatly because the I-16 and the Mig-3 are great fun to fly and have a lot to offer in that era.  The Mig-3 remains useful way beyond those first maps.   Unfortunately it means that any server running early maps sees low attendance and I am always worried that they will decide to just skip the early maps and I will have nowhere to fly the I-16 & Mig.  It is already pretty rare to get opportunities.   TAW finished the first map in a few days and no doubt the second map will go quickly too and we will be on to new aircraft.

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Hi all New guy Here, looking for a little help. First wow this War thing is Awsome!!! Thanks to the Devs. Now on to my Help request. Ok first off is there a guide out there for the 110,JU87,JU88,JU52 a basic engine guide /Check list?? I have found a couple, but way over my head I have tried to take off an d Fly 26x and got off 10x i thnk. and have only made it to a target 2x, I have either crashed on take off or Ditched because my engine sized or over heat or in JU87 both times it said RPM damaged and then engine went out. I was only flying at like 60% throttle and i couldnt even climb so i wasnt adding extra power or stress. and the other time I got 1 shot by an AA gun from somewhere around a target in a 110. I have mapped all my keys mutliple times on my keyboard and my Joystick ( Thrustmaster 16000M and Throttle) to see if thats the case, and it seems sometimes the Keys work and some times it doesnt., but works everytime and everyway in offline play. I apoligize to my Axis teamates for not even being able to take off and Contribute, Ive tried Slow power to Full power take offs, Full Power Holding brakes then realse take off. and either get going good then Fishtail left and right and then crash or i get going then just spin and spin around, Hell i even Seized and over heated and engine just trying to taxi back to take off point after an Abort. How is that? And i still cant figure out how to get the flaps down on the JU52. PLease can anyone help so i can contribute and actually try to have fun.

 

Secondly, I actually made it to a target by accident whille running from a fighter and got 9 Ground kills but they havent shown in my stats?? its been 2 days? any insight on that?

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I suggested this a while back, but I still don't see it implemented - maybe not possible or too hard?
 
It would be awesome if the mission updates that are included in the TAW briefing for what occurred last round were included on the website somewhere as well?
For example this below?

 

 

 Allied defense in Kubinka was destroyed!
 - Axis depot in Zaluje was damaged to 34%!
 - Allied depot in Ryabinki was destroyed!
 - Axis tank convoy advancing to Kubinka was destroyed!
 - Axis airfield in Zenino was damaged to 15%
 - Axis airfield in Zenino was repaired to 2%
 - Allied airfield in Ryabinki was damaged to 2%
 - Allied airfield in Ryabinki was repaired to 0%
 - Allied airfield in Mozhaisk was damaged to 6%
 - Allied city Kubinka was supplied by air transport

 

 

If the map is generated and updated on the website, would adding this text not also be possible?

 

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The same thing was on old ADW.

First maps - a lot of blues and only few reds.

Last maps - a lot of reds and only few blues.

 

Hell yea !! Blue won a first map !! ... and so f##ing what ?

I think reds wil win the whole campaign again.

We will see how the things will be right now when P-40 and ratas with Shvak apears.

The problem isn't in numbers of players on each side. Problem is with players who do not want to fly  on "based armamaent" ratas against "mighty" E7. Simply - they are afraid something.

27-0 is only when reds had one airfield open.

 

Ramm.

 

ps. the numbers wil change more eguall when BoS planes wil be available. Some ppl do not have BoM yet.

 

How the hell are numbers not the problem when the German team has 2, 3 or more times the number of players as the Soviet teem and the server is full? How is 50 vs 17 not a problem? Please explain to me, in some detail how 50 vs 17 is optimal, because from where I sit that seems like a problem, and I'm not the only one. Who wins maps is entirely irrelevant to the issue of team balance. A stacked team is still a stacked team even if it manages to throw away what should be an easy win. In no other team based contest do the rules state that one team having too many players in the game is alright so long as they aren't doing well.

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Hi all New guy Here, looking for a little help. First wow this War thing is Awsome!!! Thanks to the Devs. Now on to my Help request. Ok first off is there a guide out there for the 110,JU87,JU88,JU52 a basic engine guide /Check list?? I have found a couple, but way over my head I have tried to take off an d Fly 26x and got off 10x i thnk. and have only made it to a target 2x, I have either crashed on take off or Ditched because my engine sized or over heat or in JU87 both times it said RPM damaged and then engine went out. I was only flying at like 60% throttle and i couldnt even climb so i wasnt adding extra power or stress. and the other time I got 1 shot by an AA gun from somewhere around a target in a 110. I have mapped all my keys mutliple times on my keyboard and my Joystick ( Thrustmaster 16000M and Throttle) to see if thats the case, and it seems sometimes the Keys work and some times it doesnt., but works everytime and everyway in offline play. I apoligize to my Axis teamates for not even being able to take off and Contribute, Ive tried Slow power to Full power take offs, Full Power Holding brakes then realse take off. and either get going good then Fishtail left and right and then crash or i get going then just spin and spin around, Hell i even Seized and over heated and engine just trying to taxi back to take off point after an Abort. How is that? And i still cant figure out how to get the flaps down on the JU52. PLease can anyone help so i can contribute and actually try to have fun.

 

Secondly, I actually made it to a target by accident whille running from a fighter and got 9 Ground kills but they havent shown in my stats?? its been 2 days? any insight on

that?

There's tons of threads, detailing each plane specifically. Here is a good place to start. 

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/3625-air-combat-tutorials-tir-profile-g940-controls-17-january-20/

 

I would highly recommend spending most of your free time now learning the planes you will want to fly most often, first. Be an expert in handling, say the Ju-87 engine before moving on to others. This server does not lend itself to be very friendly for beginners (in the sense that losing well over half of the planes you've taken - hurts the team you play for). 

 

I'm not trying to push you away from this server. But it seems to me you decided to jump into the deepest part of the pool without knowing how to stay afloat. Feel free to PM me, and I'll try to help you out with the basics.

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Today we had a mission with equal sides, it was great! 

What happend when mission rolled however was that all people with good connections from europe, who tend to fly Axis mostly joined the next map and Axis immediately filled up to 50 players and left 29/30 for Allies. A cap of 45 could lower impacts like these.

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hmmm. i actually don't see so much luftwhining in this thread lately!?

by the way 27:0 balance will hardly be resolved by limiting the number of slots per side to 45max.

for sure its that dumb luftwhiners, wehraboos,(what else?), fault that the more than 200 registered reds are not joining the server, but please remind me again exactly why they refuse to play???

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hmmm. i actually don't see so much luftwhining in this thread lately!?

by the way 27:0 balance will hardly be resolved by limiting the number of slots per side to 45max.

for sure its that dumb luftwhiners, wehraboos,(what else?), fault that the more than 200 registered reds are not joining the server, but please remind me again exactly why they refuse to play???

 

I see that you've signed up for LW and the way you've addressed that, you most likely don't see yourself as part of the problem.

 

Imagine it was 27 reds on, with probably 60% of them in fighters - would you sign on to be that one guy?  Where they can see where you've spawned in?  Doubt it.

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...correction: more than 400 registered reds that refused to join the less than half filled server last night!

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hmmm. i actually don't see so much luftwhining in this thread lately!?

by the way 27:0 balance will hardly be resolved by limiting the number of slots per side to 45max.

for sure its that dumb luftwhiners, wehraboos,(what else?), fault that the more than 200 registered reds are not joining the server, but please remind me again exactly why they refuse to play???

Have you considered that people do more than just play games? I got 2 flights in on map 1. 3 Days and its over.

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well tuesday, regarding your kill streaks and those of your squad you would have probably still brought down half of them, if you would have joined:-)

i definitively am part of that "problem" as i am one of those "non-life-worthy" LW fanboys who does not commit to fly the whole campaign as reds. but then again every sortie i do, is mostly helping the red side to win as i really suck at this game!

my point is, that it sounds a bit cheap to blame the blue side for joining the server, while the red side is too busy with posting complains....and then blame the blue side for whining!!!

Have you considered that people do more than just play games? I got 2 flights in on map 1. 3 Days and its over.

ähm yes! and this applies only to those registered for red side???

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well tuesday, regarding your kill streaks and those of your squad you would have probably still brought down half of them, if you would have joined:-)

i definitively am part of that "problem" as i am one of those "non-life-worthy" LW fanboys who does not commit to fly the whole campaign as reds. but then again every sortie i do, is mostly helping the red side to win as i really suck at this game!

my point is, that it sounds a bit cheap to blame the blue side for joining the server, while the red side is too busy with posting complains....and then blame the blue side for whining!!!

 

Annnnnd lost cause...

 

Like in every server I ever join, I end up flying more Russian than I do Blue.  This TAW is no different. 

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to be clear: i totally support to get the balance right.!

Although for sure most of us luftwhiners highly appreciate the exiting experience of flying around an empty map just to enjoying the scenary, one of the reasons i have myself only done 2 sorties was the lack of targets. (or in my specific case: the lack of opportunities to get shot down)

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to be clear: i totally support to get the balance right.!

Although for sure most of us luftwhiners highly appreciate the exiting experience of flying around an empty map just to enjoying the scenary, one of the reasons i have myself only done 2 sorties was the lack of targets. (or in my specific case: the lack of opportunities to get shot down)

But if it is not fun flying on a server with no enemies around why don't you join the reds? Just create two accounts and you will always have people to shoot you down. This thing where someone only flies for one side is getting really old ...

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But if it is not fun flying on a server with no enemies around why don't you join the reds? Just create two accounts and you will always have people to shoot you down. This thing where someone only flies for one side is getting really old ...

true! just lack of activity on my side to create that second account. i do fly from time to time red on wol as it is not requiring any registration action at all, but yes i should consider this.

@tuesday: i checked your stats only now and it is surprisingly empty. therefore my comment might have come off wrong. it was not supposed to be ironic. i know you are usually having a quite nice score.

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This thing where someone only flies for one side is getting really old ...

"As a blue 109 pilot that only flies Gustavs (prefer G-4) and only turns left with a 20 degree climbing attitude (I bail out when I reach 10k) let me tell you about the Pe-2 gunners..."

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But if it is not fun flying on a server with no enemies around why don't you join the reds? Just create two accounts and you will always have people to shoot you down. This thing where someone only flies for one side is getting really old ...

I fly Soviets because both Sides have enjoyable Planes to fly. 

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