DCS

[CanadaOne]

I'm just a bit skeptical about how nice it will look. Aside from historic interest, I want eye candy. It's a wee bit flat and rocky and empty.

 

Then again, with the new clouds, everything might look great.

[Hoots]

Some of the A4 attacks looked a bit hair raising so it could be good. Not sure about the open ocean transit times though...

[BOO]

43 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

 

 but they seem to be making the map for a reason.

And this is where I get skeptical sadly. What that reason is.  Maps can be sold for the same price as a 6 month old module but take much less to develop, cost no licence fees from the manufacturer and a likely to be bought by a lot of people who fall into the buy it all or buy it for the future category. 

 

What Im suspicious of is who is largely in charge of that future. Razbam has an appalling reputation for delivering. Even now, with their their new community manager and even the ED com managers promising better, the cracks are showing. A sea harrier may well be in their long term plans but their original harrier is still deficient in many key areas and I see no reason to be optimistic that it wont be any time soon.  As for the rest, the company has been showing WIPs of aircraft various for years will nothing concrete other than some screenies. The Mig23, The EE lightning, the F15E etc etc. Its akin to territorial pissing in order to claim future "dibs".

 

Im not suggesting maps are easy money or that there isnt a lot of skill needed but I imagine its a lot less work overall that a modern jet module, significantly less work to patch every other month and can be sold as "complete" without being tied to vague promises that may never be fulfilled. Its especially attractive as, unlike the jets and helos, it appears to be acceptable within sims that huge inaccuracies can be met with a shrug and an "its a representation" reply. Something I feel will suit this particular dev down to the ground. 

 

EDIT AND A "BUT" ...... it does look good from the screenies though as a map in its own right. 

Edited February 1, 2021 by BOO

[AndyJWest]

I've given up being sceptical about DCS. And about believing all the developers' future plans. Everything as-yet undelivered may or may not happen, so it isn't worth stressing too much about. Doesn't mean I can't at least express a hope that something might come of it.

 

As for Razbam, yes, the Harrier is unfinished. And likely always will be. I knew that when I bought it. Still fun to fly though. Which sums up DCS as a whole. Flawed, but fun, if you like that sort of thing...

[CanadaOne]

Just now, AndyJWest said:

Which sums up DCS as a whole. Flawed, but fun, if you like that sort of thing...

 

Like IL2 and FS2020.

 

And life.

[BOO]

50 minutes ago, Hoots said:

Some of the A4 attacks looked a bit hair raising so it could be good. Not sure about the open ocean transit times though...

This graphic from Razbam, and the absence of any screenshots I can find showing the South American mainland, may indicate a possible solution for this...

9 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Like IL2 and FS2020.

 

And life.

And Oliver Reed if we are pushing it...

[Bremspropeller]

7 minutes ago, BOO said:

This graphic from Razbam, and the absence of any screenshots I can find showing the South American mainland, may indicate a possible solution for this...

 

See above - screenshot taken from the update-thread in the DCS subforum.

Looks like there will be Rio Gallegos, Rio Grande and Ushuaia on the map.

Edited February 1, 2021 by Bremspropeller

[BOO]

12 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

I've given up being sceptical about DCS. And about believing all the developers' future plans. Everything as-yet undelivered may or may not happen, so it isn't worth stressing too much about. Doesn't mean I can't at least express a hope that something might come of it.

 

As for Razbam, yes, the Harrier is unfinished. And likely always will be. I knew that when I bought it. Still fun to fly though. Which sums up DCS as a whole. Flawed, but fun, if you like that sort of thing...

I will agree to all of that.  

5 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

See above - screenshot taken from the update-thread in the DCS subforum.

Looks like there will be Rio Gallegos, Rio Grande and Ushuaia on the map.

What screen shot? Sorry, Im being thick. 

[Bremspropeller]

12 minutes ago, BOO said:

What screen shot? Sorry, Im being thick.

12 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Is that gonna be the South Atlantic map's size?

 

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/97330-dcs-roadmap-unofficial-no-discussion-here/page/76/

 

 

 

That one.

 

 

And that one (in linked thread):

Edited February 1, 2021 by Bremspropeller

[BOO]

13 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

That one.

 

 

And that one (in linked thread):

 

Ah ok. Ill be less skeptical when I see something other than a Google map image with a pin in it and a long distance WIP render. 

[DD_fruitbat]

@BOO,

 

It does sound reading between the lines that most of your ire seems to be directed at Razbam......

 

I only have their Harrier, which I haven't really flown much as I'm focused on other stuff, and not sure I have the capacity for 5 planes, the systems in 4 is stretching my brain?. I'm not personally that interested in the Falklands so unlikely to purchase anyway, but their past performance might affect whether I buy the F-15E, which I would actually really like to have a lot, but there's plenty of non Razbam stuff to keep me occupied now, and in the future, coming.

Edited February 1, 2021 by DD_fruitbat

[BOO]

37 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

@BOO,

 

It does sound reading between the lines that most of your ire seems to be directed at Razbam......

 

I only have their Harrier, which I haven't really flown much as I'm focused on other stuff, and not sure I have the capacity for 5 planes, the systems in 4 is stretching my brain?. I'm not personally that interested in the Falklands so unlikely to purchase anyway, but their past performance might affect whether I buy the F-15E, which I would actually really like to have a lot, but there's plenty of non Razbam stuff to keep me occupied now, and in the future, coming.

 

? Between the lines? Am I that subtle? 

 

TBH the Harrier only frustrates me because its a brilliant module in so many ways that just needs pushing over the finish line. The sh1t-talking Razbam did last year also gives me reason to doubt their integrity. 

 

I would say my ire does also need to taken with a pinch of salt and a recognition of butt hurt. Im most often simply trying to add a note of caution to boundless enthusiasm based on my 8 years with DCS and my years afore with LOMAC. At present I am a little pissed as once again OB has reverted to a tick fest with LODS and poorer performance but ill find something else to do in it until I absolutely cant on this rig.

 

Currently Im enjoying not refueling the Hornet with an S3. Im not sure if its the wake turbulence of the low poly S3 model thats putting me off and preventing me from getting close..... 

Edited February 1, 2021 by BOO

[DD_fruitbat]

6 minutes ago, BOO said:

 

? Between the lines? Am I that subtle? 

 

 

No!? I was being uncharacteristically diplomatic!

 

6 minutes ago, BOO said:

Currently Im enjoying not refueling the Hornet with an S3. Im not sure if its the wake turbulence of the low poly S3 model thats putting me off and preventing me from getting close..... 

 

That's one thing that ED announced that I'm looking forward to, slowly updating all the non flyable Lomac 3d models, which are so ugly to look at these days! Pretty sure the S3 is one of the ones they mentioned. 

Edited February 1, 2021 by DD_fruitbat

[II./JG77_Manu*]

On 1/31/2021 at 1:03 AM, 216th_LuseKofte said:

While you guys sit there and amram eachother or whats its name , I care only for important news

 

I wonder what will be out sooner, this module's full release or an engine where you can actually achieve a constant 90 fps in VR. Both not before 2025 I guess. 

[BOO]

16 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

No!? I was being uncharacteristically diplomatic!

 

 

That's one thing that ED announced that I'm looking forward to, slowly updating all the non flyable Lomac 3d models, which are so ugly to look at these days! Pretty sure the S3 is one of the ones they mentioned. 

Lets be honest, they werent that great in LOMAC!. Yup the S3 and the SH60B are reportedly getting upgrades but no shots yet. There was a Aussie community member who was modelling a Naval HH60. It looked outstanding but sadly its gone quiet. 

 

I know you can refuel from an S3 cos ive seen the videos but Ill be damned if I can do with wake turbulence on. It seems that the basket is right in the stream. The F18 is I think the hardest to refuel. Its so twitchy and sluggish at the same time.

[DD_fruitbat]

22 minutes ago, BOO said:

Lets be honest, they werent that great in LOMAC!. Yup the S3 and the SH60B are reportedly getting upgrades but no shots yet. There was a Aussie community member who was modelling a Naval HH60. It looked outstanding but sadly its gone quiet. 

 

I know you can refuel from an S3 cos ive seen the videos but Ill be damned if I can do with wake turbulence on. It seems that the basket is right in the stream. The F18 is I think the hardest to refuel. Its so twitchy and sluggish at the same time.

 

I've kinda given up air to air refuelling at the moment until I get my new Virpil throttle, I've come to the conclusion that my X56 throttle sucks balls.

 

This is genuinely the hardest thing i think I've ever done in a flight sim period, especially on the turn.

 

 

 

I'm currently making life difficult for myself by doing carrier landings in shit weather and  crap conditions.....

 

 

Edited February 1, 2021 by DD_fruitbat

[Bremspropeller]

36 minutes ago, BOO said:

The F18 is I think the hardest to refuel. Its so twitchy and sluggish at the same time.

 

Try the F-14.

In the Hornet you can at least see the &&%&% tanker and the airplane doesn't start flying sideways when you deploy the probe...

 

I hear you, BOO. I'm much less enthusiastic about mindlessly throwing my money into some developer's direction these days.

The only developer that I'd almost blindly follow at this point are Heatblur. Still hoping for the A-6.

 

@DD_fruitbat

I find the Viper comparatively easy to refuel.:

It's basicly just flying formation and maintaning the sight-picture. The boom-operator does all the work for you.

The real trouble I have is that I can't properly see the &/%$§&§ belly-lights.

 

That Case III looks pretty good. Was that turbulence messing you up in pitch?

[DD_fruitbat]

9 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

Try the F-14.

In the Hornet you can at least see the &&%&% tanker and the airplane doesn't start flying sideways when you deploy the probe...

 

I hear you, BOO. I'm much less enthusiastic about mindlessly throwing my money into some developer's direction these days.

The only developer that I'd almost blindly follow at this point are Heatblur. Still hoping for the A-6.

 

@DD_fruitbat

I find the Viper comparatively easy to refuel.:

It's basicly just flying formation and maintaning the sight-picture. The boom-operator does all the work for you.

The real trouble I have is that I can't properly see the &/%$§&§ belly-lights.

 

That Case III looks pretty good. Was that turbulence messing you up in pitch?

 

Yeah, I stuck a bit of a cross wind ( was mainly into the wind though) in there, but its the turbulence that I put in that really made it much harder. It really changes things. Have a go for yourself if you want, I'll pm you the mission if you do!

 

Re the Viper, I too think its easier than basket refuelling, and at least on a 4k 32inch monitor I can see the lights, just wish I had a lot more fidelity on my throttle and I'm loath to put a weird curve into the throttle profile, hence the new forthcoming purchase.

Edited February 1, 2021 by DD_fruitbat

[Bremspropeller]

21 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

Yeah, I stuck a bit of a cross wind ( was mainly into the wind though) in there, but its the turbulence that I put in that really made it much harder. It really changes things. Have a go for yourself if you want, I'll pm you the mission if you do!

 

I have a similar mission, and I took the turbulence out, so I won't throw my rig out of the window ?

[BOO]

27 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

Try the F-14.

In the Hornet you can at least see the &&%&% tanker and the airplane doesn't start flying sideways when you deploy the probe...

 

I find the F14 "acceptable" in the AAR if its tuned early. The F18 though seems to have a mind of its own. The more I fly it the more I feel its trying to tell me it doesnt want or need me. I dunno, the last thing that felt this vague was my dad's Austin Princess. 

[Bremspropeller]

Is that kinsfolk of Austin Powers?

[Hoots]

While I was waiting for redundancy and had no work I got pretty good at case 3 in the Tomcat. Most intense flying I’ve done in a sim I think. Got “quite” good at it. New job starts soon which is both good (mortgage) and pants (gets in the way of fun)

[Bremspropeller]

 

 

Good ole Bounty Hunters...

[Guest deleted@83466]

1 hour ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

Try the F-14.

In the Hornet you can at least see the &&%&% tanker and the airplane doesn't start flying sideways when you deploy the probe...

 

I hear you, BOO. I'm much less enthusiastic about mindlessly throwing my money into some developer's direction these days.

The only developer that I'd almost blindly follow at this point are Heatblur. Still hoping for the A-6.

 

@DD_fruitbat

I find the Viper comparatively easy to refuel.:

It's basicly just flying formation and maintaning the sight-picture. The boom-operator does all the work for you.

The real trouble I have is that I can't properly see the &/%$§&§ belly-lights.

 

That Case III looks pretty good. Was that turbulence messing you up in pitch?

 

 

When you refuel, were your wings swept into Bomb Mode?  Its a heck of a lot easier than when the wings are unswept.  I find the Hornet a bit more difficult.

[BOO]

53 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

Is that kinsfolk of Austin Powers?

Its what happened when the british motor industry thought it could out do the Italians for style. My older brother can remember the saleman excitedly showing my dad how the windscreen wipers sat below the bonnet for an aerodynamic advantage. What a dog. It drove crab-like from day one and spent most winters at the bottom of hills having failed to bump start.

 

Three years later he bought a "proper" Italian saloon. The Fiat 131 Sport. Not that he thought he was ordering the 131 Sport, he thought he'd ordered a 132. Happily he left relaying the details about what mum and him had decided to his car mad 9 year old whilst they negotiated the trade in. A little subterfuge in shouting across the salesroom "its the silver one isnt it dad?" whilst looking at the silver 131 Sport in front of me and failing to mention to the salesman that dad was, in fact, referring to a picture in the brochure and the deal was done. Dad signed the paperwork without question since he didnt know a 126 from an X1/9. All he saw was silver. That was good enough for him.

 

I got picked up from school the first day he got it...actually I got dragged out of school in the middle of a lesson...come the weekend however, and after a few complementary comments from the neighbours, he decided it was just the right size even if it only had 2 doors and it stayed, hilariously enough, as dad was the antithesis of the type of driver that the car was meant to appeal to.  I often wonder if it would still have been the just right size if Id have ordered it in Orange as id originally intended......probably not.

 

@DD_fruitbat.  That case III had me heart racing. I think its a tad easier if you get em to switch the carrier lights on though but a tad more realistic if you dont.

Edited February 1, 2021 by BOO

[Bremspropeller]

I always tank in Auto. Going to Bomb just transfers the twitchyness from pitch to roll.

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

I'd get those wings locked, not able to sweep back and forth slightly on their own (likely screwing up your trim every time you speed up or slow down to catch the drougue, even slighty.)   Optimum fixed wing sweep for refueling is 40 degrees in real life.  Bomb mode is 55 degrees, but close enough.  I don't find roll stability being a problem.  It's a LOT easier with the wings swept into Bomb mode.

 

 

Edited February 1, 2021 by SeaSerpent

[Bremspropeller]

5 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

I'd get those wings locked.  Optimum fixed wingsweep for refueling is 40 degrees in real life.  Bomb mode is 55 degrees, but close enough. 

 

That's true and optimum airspeed is 240KIAS iaw with the NATOPS. I'm just trying to challenge myself a little.

 

SAS off requires 200KIAS at 40° btw. I think I'll try that eventually, too, some time...

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

Understood.  I figured once I could tank every time with the wings in Bomb mode, I'd then start practicing doing it with the wings in Auto.  Got lazy and complacent though, and never got around to it! ?

[Bremspropeller]

23 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

Understood.  I figured once I could tank every time with the wings in Bomb mode, I'd then start practicing doing it with the wings in Auto.  Got lazy and complacent though, and never got around to it! ?

 

Out of likes for the day. Consider your post liked ?

[DD_fruitbat]

1 hour ago, Hoots said:

While I was waiting for redundancy and had no work I got pretty good at case 3 in the Tomcat. Most intense flying I’ve done in a sim I think. Got “quite” good at it. New job starts soon which is both good (mortgage) and pants (gets in the way of fun)

 

Ha, expect the video content for me to go down rapidly from march to about november... I'm enjoying my quite period of the year, its where I spend time learning stuff for the rest of the year.

 

However, the other part of the year allows me to buy the toys for the next winter!!!!

 

Good luck for your new job ?

Edited February 1, 2021 by DD_fruitbat

[dburne]

So my exercise for today was just to load up a mission with some heavy iron dumb bombs and go blow some stuff up.

Had no problem at all. Also did some cluster bombing for good measure. Blew up a lot of vehicles,  Guess I am getting close to where I want to be.

 

Counter measures and air to air refueling I guess will be up next.

[DD_Arthur]

5 hours ago, BOO said:

 I dunno, the last thing that felt this vague was my dad's Austin Princess. 

 

You must be having one of those 'Henry Treece' moments. 

 

Across the road the homesick Romans made
The ground-mist thickens to a milky shroud;
Through flat, damp fields call sheep, mourning their dead
In cracked and timeless voices, unutterably sad,
Suffering for all the world, in Lincolnshire.

And I wonder how the Romans liked it here;
Flat fields, no sun, the muddy misty dawn,
And always, above all, the mad rain dripping down,
Rusting sword and helmet, wetting the feet
And soaking to the bone, down to the very heart . . .

 

Those poor Romans....and they went on to build all those Fiats too

[BOO]

Does anyone know if the Laser Mavs are glitched in the F18 when lasing with the Tpod? I can get em to track but never lock or fire. 

 

I think ive watched ever video not and read every thread but no joy. 

[DD_fruitbat]

Not when I last tried them a month or go a so,

 

You probably missed this change that happened circa June last year.... watch from around 5 mins on in the vid.

 

 

Basically, use TPod to find target, arm laser (this is key, switch next to the FLIR on off switch, by right thigh) , make Maverick SOI, then press weapon release twice to fire, first time to start lasing, second to fire. If the laser switch isn't armed, nothing will happen.

 

EDIT, just tested, all is working fine.

 

 

 

Edited February 2, 2021 by DD_fruitbat

[Lusekofte]

Damn it, can fire rockers and some times miniguns in the huey if I switch randomly on gunselector  . Cannot fire any weapon in MI 8 anymore   all switches in correct position button on stick moves but no joy  

Gazelle and ka 50 no probs

[BOO]

1 hour ago, DD_fruitbat said:

Not when I last tried them a month or go a so,

 

You probably missed this change that happened circa June last year.... watch from around 5 mins on in the vid.

 

Basically, use TPod to find target, arm laser (this is key, switch next to the FLIR on off switch, by right thigh) , make Maverick SOI, then press weapon release twice to fire, first time to start lasing, second to fire. If the laser switch isn't armed, nothing will happen.

 

EDIT, just tested, all is working fine.

 

 

 

You Da Man!!

 

Thank you. 

 

So much for all of the vaunted illumini's videos. Good ole Grim Reapers.

33 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Damn it, can fire rockers and some times miniguns in the huey if I switch randomly on gunselector  . Cannot fire any weapon in MI 8 anymore   all switches in correct position button on stick moves but no joy  

Gazelle and ka 50 no probs

I am not teaching you to suck eggs but have you switched on the breakers and the master arm above your head in the Mi8?

[dburne]

2 hours ago, BOO said:

Does anyone know if the Laser Mavs are glitched in the F18 when lasing with the Tpod? I can get em to track but never lock or fire. 

 

I think ive watched ever video not and read every thread but no joy. 

 

Seems to be working ok on my end.

 

[BOO]

4 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Seems to be working ok on my end.

 

It was the double press of the pickle button that had me. 

[dburne]

11 minutes ago, BOO said:

It was the double press of the pickle button that had me. 

 

Lol yeah that one got me as I was learning. And I am sure it will again.