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Black September IV - Flying Circus

Black Septermber IV - Flying Circus  

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  1. 1. How do you prefer to fly this introductory campaign?

    • Central and Entente Teams that DO NOT SWITCH each week.
    • Red and Blue Teams that DO SWITCH sides each week.
    • Pilots (not teams) MAY SWITCH sides on a first come, first served space available basis at the start of each weeks mission. Would help even sides if attendance is unpredictable.
  2. 2. Which side would you prefer to fly? (select all that apply)

    • Both (I may wish to fly different sides different weeks sometimes)
    • Either side (put me where you need me if there are teams/sides)
    • German Preferred
    • German Only (don't select other options)
    • Entente Only (don't select other options)
    • Entente Preferred
  3. 3. Do you plan on flying Black September?



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4 hours ago, US103_Talbot said:

What would be great is if you guys could post all the things that you want tested.

 

There will be a few changes based on discussion here, additions that were already planned,  and things that were seen on Sunday and need to be addressed.  Once the next test version is ready, I will try to provide a list.

 

BUT if someone knows an answer to the folllowing question, that would be awesome!

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I want to stop gun crews from abandoning their guns after getting attacked

 

Any way to do this in the missions?

 

I want them to stand their ground and provide ambient fire all the way up until the gun is truly eliminated.  Its way too hard to tell if you're strafing a dead MG and completely wasting bullets or an active crewless MG with icons off.

 

I tried messing with the damage threshold and that did absolutely nothing.

 

OR is there a way to actually make the crew come back after a very short period of time and resume shooting?  That would be acceptable too.

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I am considering joining in the German side as 2-seater pilot if that is possible.  Haven't flown WWI in quite a while as I am now a confirmed Ju87 pilot with Luftflotte-6 but this event does intrigue me.

 

I'll have to pull out the old Halberstadt and give it a whirl... 😂

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*Gasp* *Shock* *Horror* 

But what about us, Cannon? Your ol' pals at the 103rd? 

😉

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1 hour ago, US103_Larner said:

*Gasp* *Shock* *Horror* 

But what about us, Cannon? Your ol' pals at the 103rd? 

😉

He was former JG1 before that. He's probably reverting back to the old Hunnish ways. 😁

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As always this will be a fun event mainly due to the structure of the event and the people who participate. No doubt there will be issues to address but the camaraderie we have experienced in past events is what will make this event a success as well. We all know the sim is in it's early stages and probably has many issues to be addressed but I feel this is minor compared to the people who will be involved in it. To echo further is to say; It is the community and the desire we all have to overcome the imperfections and have fun that makes us all such a GREAT! community and I for one am happy to be part of it. Thank you all!

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On 8/15/2019 at 3:56 PM, JG1_Hotlead_J10 said:

Looks like fun! Thanks for providing the poll; I put my votes in. Only reason I put "no" in the "do you plan to attend" box is because I'm not sure of my schedule availability as of yet. I'd like to fly if possible though! :)

 

This is the same for me. Most likely my Saturdays are full with something else maybe the 7th and 21st are an option.

Just in case I will register and such. 

 

Would like to meet old friends Muller and Numm. Is Israel still a J5 member?

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Mueller has been busy with real life but usually makes an appearance in campaigns, as has Numm until recently.   Hoping "Nummy" will make it to FC.   J5_Izrail (Izzy) became J5_ Mai a few years back and is still on the flight line almost every week like clockwork along with our other pilots.

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This is a different game, this is not RoF.  I do not want to play it

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15 minutes ago, emely said:

This is a different game, this is not RoF.  I do not want to play it

 

Did you want them to make exactly the same game, but simply rebranded under another name?

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10 hours ago, emely said:

This is a different game, this is not RoF.  I do not want to play it

I believe you are joking, but it could just be my peculiar sense of humor... but just in case you aren't, I have empathy for your concern, one grows attached to things, I too am so. But do consider that nothing ever stays the same. Look at WW1, and how for every plane set that was victorious the opponents came up with something better. The most desperate attempts to keep things still (the trenches) eventually gave way. Everything is a process. When you try to hold on to things you are really not understanding the process. ROF came to be because someone was unsatisfied with the status quo. Of course you don't have to play thenew game. But I think there is reason to believe that it will one day bring you the same satisfaction that ROF did. Especially if we can bring over the best ROF has: a great community of people who love to fly.

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I have both. I think the graphics of FC are better (but that is hard to compare because there is overall appeal/ambiance (I do not know how to describe it, how it makes you feel)  and pure "how real" something looks) FC is much more realistic looking, for most the planes and cockpits. More details and more 3D, but RoF as a total package is at this moment better as FC. I only have RoF since a week or so (only bought the channel map and 2 extra planes so I could some career/missions other as QB.  It looks very nice but in a different way and that is probably personal tast. Most real is not always also the most pleasing to the eye. 

RoF has a much better control section, you can save setups and even have per plane other settings. The startup is much, much faster. User interface looks nicer (= personal)

I am not good enough to say things about how real the FM's are. There are differences in FM like in adverse jaw but I like flying both and for me they are as good as equal and realistic. 

 

But that is not a fair compare, FC is not finished yet, you fly on the BOX maps, the planes are ready but nobody knows how complete they are. If I look at the Tiger tank in TC, also work in progress, a lot of things are added the last 2 months and probably more will change over time.  The only thing you can do now in FC is QB or a career somebody did as a mod. That is better as nothing but a bit cripple. I did a mission were I needed to protect an AI but that plane was so much faster as mine that it was km's in front off me and killed very fast. Or try to take out WW2 tanks in a WW1 plane....and do not even think about activating AA. So not strange RoF is a better experience at this moment.  If the FC map will be in quality equal to the BOX maps I am sure I will prefer FC over RoF

 

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Posted (edited)
17 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

 

Did you want them to make exactly the same game, but simply rebranded under another name?

 

 

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Btw, when are you going to break down and purchase FC?   You have enough money to print those stupid DCS manuals.

 

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Why you should buy FC if you're a RoF hold-out:

 

  1. It looks like what you remember RoF looked like when you first played it. Then you go back to RoF and you realise nostalgia does terrible things to your memory. I still don't give a damn about VR, but I've been told it looks spectacular and increases your immersion tenfold. All I care about is spotting the planes so I can fly towards them and Captain Darling can gun them down. Apparently that's harder to do with VR, so to hell with immersion. Hey, don't judge, we all have our masters.
     
  2. In a dogfight you're better off aiming for the pilot/engine rather than spraying at wings in the hopes of causing enough damage for the other guy to pull them off for you. This has been the pet peeve of many since the machinegun firing rate patch, circa 2011. It drastically changes the combat dynamic. We can talk about historical accuracy until the cows come home, but the fact that this is different means that the multiplayer gameloop itself is fundamentally different. Fair warning: hitboxes for pilots and gunners on certain planes still behave strangely.
     
  3. If you're here, you're eventually going to buy this game anyway. Either for yourself or for your anonymous alt account, so you can keep openly opposing it on the forums. Might as well do it now and save 10 bucks.
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5 minutes ago, J5_Hellbender said:

If you're here, you're eventually going to buy this game anyway. Either for yourself or for your anonymous alt account, so you can keep openly opposing it on the forums.

 

Anyone hypothetically interested in buying an Il2 account? Nick may be "NotBidu". 

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14 hours ago, J2_Bidu said:

I believe you are joking, but it could just be my peculiar sense of humor... 

A sense of humor sometimes saves in very difficult situations)) However, I'm not joking.  The whole BOX system is a lot of problems and a headache for users, even in simple things like updating a game and more, and this does not change over time.  FC in this series will never be a beloved child, this is a clone from the basics.  How many years does it take to solve the main problems?  Yes, as many as you like, some problems have not been solved in the old ROF (he rest in peace).

BOX is growing like a cancerous tumor on the hard drive, system requirements are all higher.  Will the FC be separated from the base, as promised in the advertisement?  (it was said that this product can be used separately) It’s interesting to me, although it’s not very much as before

In any case, the turkey must first be fried, and then eat.  An event device on such a basis is like eating raw turkey.  Although someone may like this dish.

Maybe I'm grumbling like an old grandfather and I don’t understand anything in the new game, all these disappointments have led to the fact that I do not want to fly not only here, but even in ROF.  But you fly, sometimes an event with problems is better than not having an event. 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, emely said:

A sense of humor sometimes saves in very difficult situations)) However, I'm not joking.  The whole BOX system is a lot of problems and a headache for users, even in simple things like updating a game and more, and this does not change over time.  FC in this series will never be a beloved child, this is a clone from the basics.  How many years does it take to solve the main problems?  Yes, as many as you like, some problems have not been solved in the old ROF (he rest in peace).

BOX is growing like a cancerous tumor on the hard drive, system requirements are all higher.  Will the FC be separated from the base, as promised in the advertisement?  (it was said that this product can be used separately) It’s interesting to me, although it’s not very much as before

In any case, the turkey must first be fried, and then eat.  An event device on such a basis is like eating raw turkey.  Although someone may like this dish.

Maybe I'm grumbling like an old grandfather and I don’t understand anything in the new game, all these disappointments have led to the fact that I do not want to fly not only here, but even in ROF.  But you fly, sometimes an event with problems is better than not having an event. 

 

 

 

 

You're making some broad generalizations about BoX.  Not everyone runs into problems with things like updating, hard drive space, etc.  Yes, systems requirements for BoX are higher because it is a game in active development in 2019, not a game originally designed to run on 2009 computers.   Technology marches on.

 

Also, I don't ever remember Flying Circus being advertised as a stand-alone product that could be run outside of the IL-2 Sturmovik system.

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Just now, SeaSerpent said:

 

Also, I don't ever remember Flying Circus being advertised as a stand-alone product that could be run outside of the IL-2 Sturmovik system.

 

It can be run alone, in the sense that you don’t need to buy the other games.  However, I think he means that he wasn’t expecting to have to update FC whenever there is a BoX update.  That was never advertised.

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8 hours ago, J5_Klugermann said:

 

Btw, when are you going to break down and purchase FC?

 

 

I didn't realise that it's necessary to have a breakdown to buy this game. Looks like I wouldn't have been able to join-in after all.

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Back to the big question for J5, when will more information be forthcoming, practice times, sides, or will this even take place in the FiF time slot on Saturdays?

 

 

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7 hours ago, emely said:

BOX is growing like a cancerous tumor on the hard drive, system requirements are all higher.

 

You may want to sit down for this. After the current and previously announced growths have matured, there is a high likelihood of metastasis to early jets. Prognosis is typically poor for a 2009 system, both in terms of HDD load and performance. Thankfully research has significantly improved patient outlook in recent years, with larger, faster HDDs and SSDs completing human trials. To quote the pharmaceutical companies: “HDD Replacement for Increase Performance" [sic].

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N5IB20Q/

 

If we’re talking the other kind of performance, different treatment options are available. This is nothing to feel ashamed of and is required for many systems as they begin to age. Here is one of many popular solutions with wide availability, few side-effects, and which is typically well-tolerated* by older systems:

 

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-1386MHz-Graphics-RX-580P8DFD6/dp/B06Y66K3XD/

 

(*) Always consult your doctor to make sure your PSU and CPU are able to handle treatment long term. Seek prompt medical assistance if your fanspeed remains high even after FPS have returned to normal. Keep out of reach of grandchildren and Fortnite.

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Posted (edited)
9 hours ago, emely said:

BOX is growing like a cancerous tumor on the hard drive, system requirements are all higher.  Will the FC be separated from the base, as promised in the advertisement?  (it was said that this product can be used separately)

 

The growth in software size is a generalized (in the IT industry) side-effect of a) the overall increase in complexity and size of things, including but not at all restricted to graphics detail and b) the larger, faster, cheaper drives that keep coming, making it less and less interesting to spend time and money optimizing this aspect. Even so, I used to buy a new PC every 4 years or so. Mine is now some 8 years old, maybe. And it still feels like a waste to get rid of it "just" to play new games.

 

The concept of product separation here is a double edged sword, Emely. In fact, the more they separate the games, the more space it will take on your drive. If you share things, you don't need to double it, triple it, etc. Of course, by sharing you get impacted by changes that might not affect you otherwise. But every bug fix or feature added to the core would always impact all games. On the other hand, fix one, fix all.

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Thank you for everyone's support -- we now return you to the original programming -

Important Notice to Airmen on original post including currently valid pilot assignments.  Read one hour prior to server test mission 8/31/19.

 

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3 hours ago, J5_Baeumer said:

Thank you for everyone's support -- we now return you to the original programming -

Important Notice to Airmen on original post including currently valid pilot assignments.  Read one hour prior to server test mission 8/31/19.

 

 

Link to original post?

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12 minutes ago, JG1_Snaggle said:

 

Link to original post?

 

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The test server is now active.

Items I'm requesting be tested:

- All Photo Recons

- Inflight Mission status messages

- Artillery Battery Target Mission behavior for both sides

- All plane spawns and respawns

- Nagibayeka & Rodnik Airfields:  rearming, refueling, and repairing of aircraft.  (CONFIRMED NOT SUPPORTED IN CURRENT PATCH)

- Dubki & Stepnoy Airfields:  rearming, refueling of aircraft.  (CONFIRMED NOT SUPPORTED IN CURRENT PATCH)

 

Known Issues:

- Some additional bombing/ground attack missions for both sides not implemented yet

- light but "appropriate" AAA defenses for targets

- Bridge 2 Target is may be too tough for small bombs

- No mission prompts for players to hit infantry/armored cars/trucks so people aren't paying attention to them

- Ground attack popup tooltips need to switch sides.

- Bristol and Halb inventories need to split between HEAVY bomb config and MIXED bomb config.

- Finish flight timer / Coalition / respawn / death penalty enforcement will start.  (see rules note below)

- Actual written rules and game scoring information will be released this week.

 

Fixed Issues (IMPLEMENTED ON TEST SERVER):

- Artillery spawning issues fixed

- Some Bristol F2B3s relabeled with "Escorts" to denote no bomb config.  These are aerial support aircraft.

- Many bristols and halbs rearmed to have 8 x cooper/small bombs and 1 or 2 x 50kg

- Mission display of Incorrect artillery target

- Missuion status updates moved to center left of screen, turned RED and font enlarged by 50%

- Defensive "Ground Attack" icons changed to Offensive markers

- Heavy AAA defenses for airfields implemented

 

 

 

 

Edited by J5_Matthias

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Posted (edited)

Had lots of fun at the test event this afternoon! There were some pretty intense skirmishes and despite having only WW2 maps and ground targets, from what I saw things seemed to go pretty well. @J5_Matthias did a great job simulating no-man's land with bridge/fence objects outlining the perimeter on both sides of the lines. That made the WW2 map feel much more like the ROF maps I've been used to as far as navigational reference points go. 

 

All in all, I had a blast! Don't know what my weekends will be like for sure, but I am totally planning on flying Black September any weekend I can! 😄

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 Would like to sign up as Entente as well, looks like this should be a good event to kickstart the Flying Circus community.

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11 hours ago, J2_Bidu said:

 

The growth in software size is a generalized 

.... 

Bro, you didn’t understand me a bit.  Here's an example from the recent past: I bought Box on the earliest order that was possible .. I won’t tell you a long and sad story, but until recently, it’s all somehow, with problems, but it worked on my system.  I use a computer only for virtual flights.  For everything else, I have enough phone and tablet ... So, one fine day, when updating this wonderful game, the system wrote to me "Update Error".  And neither reinstalling the game, nor restoring the system - did not give a solution to the problem.  I just don’t want to write in technical support, I’m tired of such problems for a long time, I don’t want to solve them anymore.  Does not work ?  Yes, you just need to spit on her grave and do something else.  I think I'm far from alone.

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9 minutes ago, emely said:

So, one fine day, when updating this wonderful game, the system wrote to me "Update Error".  And neither reinstalling the game, nor restoring the system - did not give a solution to the problem.

 

 

We got you covered emely!   Check out the post here from Sneaksie.  Worked for me and many others!  30 second fix!

 

 

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It would be nice to have everyone's personal skins available.

How about if we have a "Black September Skins" thread where those individuals and squads who have personal post a link to them? I could then make a skin pack as a .zip file for download. They would have to be submitted by Thurs so I could compile the pack for a Friday post of the link.

I'm pretty I already have the 103rd and J5 but maybe not all of them (and of course JG1).

What do you think?

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2 hours ago, emely said:

Does not work ?  Yes, you just need to spit on her grave and do something else.  I think I'm far from alone.

 

I understand people got used to having easy access to working software. But I never had a single problem with ROF or IL2 that ever came close to the worst of my problems trying to get a printer to work. And community support works well. I've seen Microsoft ignore requests to solve unacceptable bugs or provide basic features for years. How many stopped using their products?

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13 hours ago, J2_Bidu said:

 

I've seen Microsoft ignore requests to solve unacceptable bugs or provide basic features for years. How many stopped using their products?

Those bugs are called features...

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17 hours ago, II./JG1_Vonrd said:

It would be nice to have everyone's personal skins available.

How about if we have a "Black September Skins" thread where those individuals and squads who have personal post a link to them? I could then make a skin pack as a .zip file for download. They would have to be submitted by Thurs so I could compile the pack for a Friday post of the link.

I'm pretty I already have the 103rd and J5 but maybe not all of them (and of course JG1).

What do you think?

Outstanding and if you don't like it, don't download it.  Works for me

Files for Wingwalkers Entente aircraft, already in directories for inclusion

https://db.tt/dQoTP3GNnf

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Update pushed to test server 1700 9/1

 

Known Issues:

- Some additional bombing/ground attack missions for both sides not implemented yet

- light but "appropriate" AAA defenses for targets

- Finish flight timer / Coalition / respawn / death penalty enforcement will start.  (see rules note below)

- Actual written rules and game scoring information will be released this week.

 

Fixed Issues (IMPLEMENTED ON TEST SERVER):

- Artillery spawning issues fixed

- Some Bristol F2B3s relabeled with "Escorts" to denote no bomb config.  These are aerial support aircraft.

- Many bristols and halbs rearmed to have 8 x cooper/small bombs and 1 or 2 x 50kg

- Mission display of Incorrect artillery target

- Mission status updates moved to center left of screen, turned RED and font enlarged by 50%

- Defensive "Ground Attack" icons changed to Offensive markers

- Heavy AAA defenses for airfields implemented

- Bristol and Halb inventories need to split between HEAVY bomb config and MIXED bomb config.

- An AI issue with plane ferrying to forward fields has been resolved.

- Ground attack popup tooltips need to switch sides.

- Bridge 2 Target is may be too tough for small bombs

- prompts for players to hit infantry/armored cars/trucks so people are paying attention to them

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11 hours ago, J5_Matthias said:

Update pushed to test server

 

Known Issues:

- Some additional bombing/ground attack missions for both sides not implemented yet

- light but "appropriate" AAA defenses for targets

- Bridge 2 Target is may be too tough for small bombs

- No mission prompts for players to hit infantry/armored cars/trucks so people aren't paying attention to them

- Ground attack popup tooltips need to switch sides.

- Finish flight timer / Coalition / respawn / death penalty enforcement will start.  (see rules note below)

- Actual written rules and game scoring information will be released this week.

 

Fixed Issues (IMPLEMENTED ON TEST SERVER):

- Artillery spawning issues fixed

- Some Bristol F2B3s relabeled with "Escorts" to denote no bomb config.  These are aerial support aircraft.

- Many bristols and halbs rearmed to have 8 x cooper/small bombs and 1 or 2 x 50kg

- Mission display of Incorrect artillery target

- Missuion status updates moved to center left of screen, turned RED and font enlarged by 50%

- Defensive "Ground Attack" icons changed to Offensive markers

- Heavy AAA defenses for airfields implemented

- Bristol and Halb inventories need to split between HEAVY bomb config and MIXED bomb config.

- An AI issue with plane ferrying to forward fields has been resolved.

S! Matt,

I don't think the airfields AAA is working. I just hovered over Yantar in a CL2 with nary a shot.

 

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