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Black September IV - Flying Circus

Black Septermber IV - Flying Circus  

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  1. 1. How do you prefer to fly this introductory campaign?

    • Central and Entente Teams that DO NOT SWITCH each week.
    • Red and Blue Teams that DO SWITCH sides each week.
    • Pilots (not teams) MAY SWITCH sides on a first come, first served space available basis at the start of each weeks mission. Would help even sides if attendance is unpredictable.
  2. 2. Which side would you prefer to fly? (select all that apply)

    • Both (I may wish to fly different sides different weeks sometimes)
    • Either side (put me where you need me if there are teams/sides)
    • German Preferred
    • German Only (don't select other options)
    • Entente Only (don't select other options)
    • Entente Preferred
  3. 3. Do you plan on flying Black September?



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Notice to Airmen

 

9/16/19 -

Central squeaks a wins in Week 2, 158 - 161 in a hotly contested and well flown mission.

http://www.jasta5.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=118&p=44278&sid=672bebf2912d2346c408fb2547db853f#p44278

 

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9/14/19 -

Server password - All pilots must report to CHECK IN ON COMMUNICATIONS AT JASTA5.TEAMSPEAK3.COM to get the weeks password to the server. 

 

 

Reflight -

Remind each other when your teammate dies or crash lands, to exit the server and look on TS to see if there are pilots waiting in the reserves channel.  If there are, go up to the reserves channel and ask who is next in line and tell them what Teamspeak channel to report to replace you.  Otherwise you can return to the server and either refly (if the server lets you) or backseat gun during any server imposed timeout.

 

Pilot Assignment Update -

We are expanding pilot slots by 3 per side this week.

 

NOTE:  All pilots should report to CHECK IN ON COMMUNICATIONS AT JASTA5.TEAMSPEAK3.COM to get the weeks password to the server.  Mercenaries must choose a team in order to balance sides. You will not be allowed to change sides later during the same mission!

 

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9/10/19 -

Parachutes:

Shooting pilots in parachutes are an individual decision.    This coming week the "timeout" whether in plane landed/crashed etc. or floating lazily down in a parachute, will be as was originally intended:  1 minute. 

 

Reflight:

The rules say

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Fly > die > move to reserve Teamspeak channel > serve your 20 minute death penalty. If there are no reserves waiting their turn to enter game, THEN you can be a backseat gunner in a two-seater during 20-minute death penalty > fly > die > repeat cycle.

 

The most important part to this is, "If there are no reserves waiting their turn to enter the game, THEN....." 

This will require pilots reminding each other when they die, to exit the server and look on TS to see if there are pilots waiting in the reserves channel.  If there are, go up to the reserves channel and ask who is next in line and tell them what Teamspeak channel to report to replace you.

 

Excepting for the above, Black September is intended to be server enforced.  If you can refly (or get in a backseat during your timeout as long as there are no reserves waiting to take your place), then you can fly.    The rules should probably also specify crash, regardless of where in addition to "die").  It would be most sportsmanlike for everyone to interpret the rule in this manner, regardless of whether or not you actually "died".  This will be most realistic and allows the most pilots to enjoy the event.  In this way nobody spends much time at all waiting in line as a reserve and each team flies at full strength the longest making for a better event. 

 

Thanks for all your interest and support and participation.  Everyone is welcome and we really appreciate anyone who is willing to fly based on keeping the sides level for this campaign.

 

Pilot Assignment Update

Expected early Saturday morning.  We are hoping to be able to expand the server slots by a few, taking necessary precautions if we feel we  are able to do so.

 

Week 1 results - Central Win

http://www.jasta5.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=118&p=44275&sid=6ee0b849e2981a2a7c00b103fb91c360#p44275

 

9/7/19 (0531 UTC) - 

Hostilities begin today.  Arrive at 1630 to secure your pilot spot on a first come first served basis (go into briefing channel).

Event Rules v1.3 (.RAR) updated (download file at bottom of this post).  Only significant addition/change is Spawn Camping; see page 5.

Updated Pilot List - if you are not on the list, complete the survey at top of this thread and we'll get you on the next list. 


9/3/19 - Event Guidebook (.RAR) updated (download file at bottom of this post).

Updated Pilot List - if you are not on the list, complete the survey at top of this thread and we'll get you on the next list.  A new list is not expected until early Saturday morning (UTC/GMT).

 

9/1/19 - Event Guidebook (.RAR) attached at bottom of this post.

Updated Pilots List - if you are not on the list complete the survey at top of this thread and we'll get you on the next list.

 

8/31/19 - Tips for Saturday Black September Server Test

 

When: 1700 UTC (convert to your local time zone)

Where:  Black September Test Server or similar named (Flying Circus Flugpark)

How:  There will not be a password for this server test mission (there will be passwords during the campaign so you will need to get in habit of using Teamspeak  to get password and flight assignments (see Teamspeak address below).

Rules will be posted later this weekend after the server test mission.

 

 

60 Minutes Prior to Mission -

  • Check first post in the FC Black September thread for new Notices to Airmen and review previous notices and follow instructions.
  • Make sure you set up a user account and register on the event server parser http://stats.jasta5.org:8000/en/ .

 

30 Minutes Prior to Mission -

1.       Meet early in the Red or Blue Briefing channels 30 minutes early on Jasta 5 Teamspeak (jasta5.teamspeak3.com or visit the following for more help https://jasta5.org/Jagdstaffeln_5/red_baron_j5_communications_room.htm). 

a.       Mission assignments will generally be made on a first come first served basis anytime starting 30 minutes prior to mission start.

b.       If you can't join the Briefing channel because you arrived later than everyone else, look at the other team and see if they have room in their briefing room

                                                               i.      If yes, consider switching sides, OR

                                                             ii.      Wait in the Reserve channel until a space opens up shortly after the mission start (pilots will crash and die on take-off and shortly thereafter; don't worry). 

                                                           iii.      It is possible that there will be reserves at the start of the first mission when everyone shows up at once but reserves will get assigned quickly as pilots crash, die, are captured.

2.       Pay attention to Ops staff officers (black icon to right of their name). 

 

Remember:

Fly > die > move to reserve Teamspeak channel > 20 minute death penalty.  if there are no reserves waiting their turn to enter game, THEN you can be a backseat gunner in a two seater during 20-minute death penalty > fly > die > repeat cycle.

 

Think about overall mission objectives and your role in supporting or accomplishing those; its not just about finding a enemy plane and attacking it!

This initial Flying Circus campaign is all a work in progress, as is Flying Circus itself!  We are ALL learning together about Flying Circus while hopefully having fun together.  If there are technical difficulties, please be patient with everyone (especially the event organizers) and loiter on TS and make new friends while it gets sorted out.  Some things will just get fixed for the next weeks mission.  Please report bugs on the event thread.

Please remember that while it is possible for the server to have difficulties, it is much more likely your own connection choke points or computer limitations or a problem with the mission that are causing lag and other problems.  If everyone is experiencing the same thing, then it is not likely at your end and you should say something to Matthias or Baeumer on Teamspeak (or a Jasta 5 pilot on TS who can get a message to one or the other of them).

Play fair and have fun.

 

 

8/27/19 - 70 pilots indicate plans to participate in Black September.

8/26/19 - next Saturday August 31, 1700UTC practice mission and server test.  Recommend players connect on teamspeak at Jasta5.teamspeak3.com to coordinate and share info as there are specific mission objectives to understand.

8/25/19 - sneak peek completed...few minor bugs identified and fixed.  All in all successful with fun air fights and ground attack missions.

8/25/19 - please register on the parser here:.  http://stats.jasta5.org:8000/en/

 

 

Official Event Announcement and Details

 

Relive history.   Make history!

 

Announcing Black September IV

Fly in the first world-wide Flying Circus community campaign!

 


What – A four week Flying Circus campaign focusing on the highly successful but too late last-ditch effort by the German Air Service in September 1918. 

For a little history see - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_in_aviation#September

 

Jasta 5 was proud to bring the first ever community-wide campaign to the predecessor of Flying Circus and we are honored to be able to bring this first of it's kind community-wide campaign to Flying Circus!  We welcome all pilots, new and experienced alike, to be a part of this historical event! 

 

Although FC is a long way away from having some of the functionality of its predecessor, this is an opportunity to introduce newer fliers to a more complex mission focused campaign environment while satisfying the veteran pilots desires for a immersive mission based campaign.  Within the constraints of the current system, we will be striving to have something for both the turn and burn pilots as well as meaningful and challenging  missions for two-seater pilots and fighter escorts who appreciate flying objective based missions.

 

We are looking for community input on a few key details so please participate in the poll on this post (vote now as the poll ends soon).

 

When –

August 31st (try to break the mission practice)

September 7, 14, 21, 28, 1700-2000 GMT (convert to your local time zone)

 

Where – Flying Circus Flugpark server hosted by Jasta 5 will be reconfigured on mission days and password protected.  This server has hosted many years of Rise of Flight campaigns including Bloody April and Black September as well as serving the Flying Circus community as a gathering place on Sunday fly-ins.  Both teams/sides will meet on the Jasta 5 Teamspeak server at jasta5.teamspeak3.com to fly and access server password.  Also see:  https://jasta5.org/Jagdstaffeln_5/red_baron_j5_communications_room.htm

 

How – Rules will be announced here about August 31, one week prior to the commencement of hostilities.

 

Server Settings: 

Death penalty: 20 minutes. If you can re-life, do so after 20 minutes. You should be able to fill backseat gunner positions during your death penalty.  

Weapon Mods: Not anticipated at this time.  

 

Plane sets:

All currently available planes will be used. We anticipate having some forward fields (for the turn and burners), intermediate fields (for fighter escorts) and deep fields (for two-seaters) with a variety of resupply intervals at each.     Look for official rules describing resupply in more detail once they are announced here on this this thread about a week before hostilities.

 

UPDATES TO THESE NOTICES:  

 

Subscribe to/follow this thread to automatically receive updates as they are posted.  More info to come.

 

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WHAT WILL YOU TELL YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN?

 

DON’T MISS OUT ON YOUR PLACE IN FLYING CIRCUS HISTORY!

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted (edited)

It's now possible to reply as requested here.....found out what poll only content checkbox does....

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1 hour ago, J5_Baeumer said:

It's now possible to reply as requested here.....found out what poll only content checkbox does....

And now we know too :)

 

I answered preference flying Central, but I'm really willing to fly anything, either side, if need be. But I prefer flying Central with my Jasta 2 mates, if possible. Or with our Jasta 5 brothers of course ;)

 

Congratulations to J5 for leading the initiative in creating big events for the new game! 

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S! Jasta 5

 

Looking forward to this, anybody who hasn't tried it yet needs to check it out, it's serious fun.

 

Thx for hosting again.

 

I am happy to make up the numbers on either team.

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6 hours ago, Oliver88 said:

Are the dates subject to change?

This is traditionally the best day and time for participants in these kinds of events....except when it's not. 

 

Unfortunately there is no perfect day or time for everyone and switching days and time week to week tends to lead to confusion.

 

Sorry if the day and time does not work for you Oliver.

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2 hours ago, 1PL-Lucas-1Esk said:

Lol, looks like I am the only one who prefers to fly Entente 😄

 

Lol, at least you're the only person who can SAY that they prefer Entente  😅

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3 hours ago, J5_Baeumer said:

This is traditionally the best day and time for participants in these kinds of events....except when it's not. 

 

Unfortunately there is no perfect day or time for everyone and switching days and time week to week tends to lead to confusion.

 

Sorry if the day and time does not work for you Oliver.

 

No thats alright, the reason I query is that my work rota is random each week. Am considering trying to book the dates to ensure that I can attend (at least some of them). And so was checking that those dates are not subject to change before I do go ahead and book them. Was signed up for one of the Rise of Flight campaigns (not sure which) but could not attend any in the end, and would be great to be able to attend the first one for Flying Circus instead.

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30 minutes ago, Oliver88 said:

Am considering trying to book the dates to ensure that I can attend

Thats what I was hoping you might be driving at.  The days/dates/times are set (be sure you convert from the posted UTC time to your local time).

6 hours ago, 1PL-Lucas-1Esk said:

looks like I am the only one who prefers to fly Entente

 

Looks like you have good company now, Lucas ;)

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12 hours ago, 1PL-Lucas-1Esk said:

Lol, looks like I am the only one who prefers to fly Entente 😄

No way Lucas , I do 2 ;)

 

10 hours ago, J5_Baeumer said:

This is traditionally the best day and time for participants in these kinds of events....except when it's not. 

 

Unfortunately there is no perfect day or time for everyone and switching days and time week to week tends to lead to confusion.

 

Sorry if the day and time does not work for you Oliver.

IMHO Sundays would work better, like Vintage mission and ACG campaigns do (plus stay sober because next day is work day ;)) . Saturdays are always unstable to be sure (friends and family), but I'm happy to participate anyways :)

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3 hours ago, 307_Tomcat said:

 

IMHO Sundays would work better, like Vintage mission and ACG campaigns do (plus stay sober because next day is work day ;)) . Saturdays are always unstable to be sure (friends and family), but I'm happy to participate anyways :)

 

It might be interesting to take a poll on whether Saturday or Sunday works best for people. But surely any solution should have to please J5 in all cases, it would be pretty absurd if the organisers couldn't participate!

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We understand there are pros and cons and like was said earlier there never is a perfect day or time for everyone and we all feel badly for those it does not work well for. Also there are a lot of players who we don't want to force to choose between flying this event or participating in the other events you mention,  The traditional day for WWI community events has been Saturday....or Saturday AND Sunday, for those thowe who were flying back in the Red Baron days....and for an important part of the WWI community from Russia Sunday presents special problems!

 

Glad you are able to make adjustments Tomcat, thanks for being flexible and for bringing this up.

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Assuming I can figure out a way of making the SE5a handle as it should, I'd be interested.

 

Been avoiding FC altogether.

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Looks like fun! Thanks for providing the poll; I put my votes in. Only reason I put "no" in the "do you plan to attend" box is because I'm not sure of my schedule availability as of yet. I'd like to fly if possible though! :)

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I can only take part in a few. Go to spain in one week and are awaay at work for two weeks

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Saturdays FC/BS, Sundays RoF/VM sounds good. 

 

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My schedule is sorted so I will indeed be coming along in September. Am coming alone (not in any squadron etc) so when gets nearer to the event and the teams are known etc would be great to wing up with some other pilots.

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Pass (and voted accordingly).

 

Best wishes to all who fly the event. Past events have been nothing short of excellent, and I have every confidence that J5 will do the best they can with the available content to try and make it workable... That said, my personal feeling is that FC, in its current state, is but a shadow of what is needed to make this event even a close approximation of its predecessors, and I'm not particularly inclined to fly it in this product (as it sits, currently).

 

That doesn't mean it shouldn't be attempted, and I wish all of the participants well, but, personally, I'll give it a miss until FC is significantly more mature...   Happy Hunting.

 

 

Regards,

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You are absolutely right FourSpeed.

We have even bombs on Entente planes not working correct now.

And I`m sure we will explore a lot of other bugs during tournament.

Why not to wait for FC release?

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Without FC map and proper ww1 AI units it could be hard , and I think that assets  will not be available before release in December. Definitively it we be hard work for organizers to make it work. They know what they sign for .

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Well I think it will be a great trial run for when FC is final. Most of the little things will be figured out by the J5 boys/hosts working on the Black September campaign. 

 

It's not that bad if you keep in mind all this is beta/preorder....

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Turn and burner fan and specialist in tree-top-cutting here 😋, sound interesting.  I do not mind what side I play as long as I can play the DR1 or Bristols and I also like riding shotgun.

But I am in doubt because I am far from experienced and never played online. I do not even know how to do that. 

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Reading the concerns about FC not being ready for an organised event - I actually think that it's exactly the right thing to do. 

What better way to outline the overall product as it stands, and what the community will be able to do with it? Considering that FC is in Alpha (or is it Beta now?), this event should leave us with tons of stuff to bring to the devs' attention - required fixes, etc (provided we forward them in a clear and unified manner rather than all firing off individual opinions, of course!). 

 

I think there's something of a shared responsibility between the community and the devs to shape FC into a worthy successor for RoF, and this event might just be a great way for us to do that. 


Just my 2 cents...

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32 minutes ago, US103_Larner said:

Reading the concerns about FC not being ready for an organised event - I actually think that it's exactly the right thing to do. 

What better way to outline the overall product as it stands, and what the community will be able to do with it? Considering that FC is in Alpha (or is it Beta now?), this event should leave us with tons of stuff to bring to the devs' attention - required fixes, etc (provided we forward them in a clear and unified manner rather than all firing off individual i8opinions, of course!). 

 

I think there's something of a shared responsibility between the community and the devs to shape FC into a worthy successor for RoF, and this event might just be a great way for us to do that. 


Just my 2 cents...

What you would report , there is no dedicated map, objective logic/ mission types and AI (think about ww2 only AAA) units build for ww1 era ?  I don't discourage nobody, I will be there and pass feedback directly through beta channel of existing ww1 assets. I know it will be splendid fun :) as all pass events was .

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57 minutes ago, 307_Tomcat said:

What you would report , there is no dedicated map, objective logic/ mission types and AI (think about ww2 only AAA) units build for ww1 era ?  I don't discourage nobody, I will be there and pass feedback directly through beta channel of existing ww1 assets. I know it will be splendid fun :) as all pass events was .

 

I was thinking more issues that creep in with the planes that might have previously gone un-noticed - if there are any! (I noticed some posts mentioning buggy Entente planes / bombs). The organisation of a big event like this could more-or-less unify the community's voice, if we are all experiencing similar issues in the same public event at the same time. 

 

Of course, there may not be any issue that we haven't already pointed out...

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I think the problem is that people have an instantaneous fuse setting and try to drop at low altitude.  Currently the allied bombs use the WW2 Russian fuse logic.  Set fuses to five second delay and they will go off  (maybe not if super low).  Shorter the delay the higher you have to drop them or they will not go off.

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14 hours ago, pa4tim said:

But I am in doubt because I am far from experienced and never played online. I do not even know how to do that. 

 

Do voice your doubts. Basically, you select the Multiplayer and then Dogfight options, then select whatever server ypu want. In thus case, the proper server will be announced by the event organizers. But many servers are open to anyone. It is advisable to read the rules of behaviour in the server upon connecting. Then you go ahead with whichever orders someone assigned to you, in case things are more organized, as sometimes happens in evebts, or you just do what you feel is right and fun. And then you try to shoot other people down like you do with the AI, only they are smarter ;) .

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I'm looking forward to this as a way of early access test, or whatever you want to call it.

 

My main concern is the planeset and what can be done to create a Black September 1918 scenario, a month in which the Entente suffered significant losses at the hands of better performing high altitude Central scouts.

 

On the Entente side there's not too many issues with plentiful SE5as, Dolphins, SPADs (French and American), with a few Bristols (F.II/F.III) serving as escorts/bombers/recon and even the odd Camel still in service in ground attack role.

 

On the Central side, there's the Fokker D.VIIF and the Halberstadt CL.II 200hp. That's about it. The BMW-powered Fokker D.VIIF can pose as the actual Mercedes-powered Fokker D.VII, of which we only have the early 1918 model without 200hp high altitude overcompression. The rest of the Mercedes scouts are out of place and outclassed without said 200hp engine, and really shouldn't be available at all save perhaps as reserve machines. The Fokker Dr.I would have been all but phased out by then in favour of the Fokker D.VII, and among others a small number of Pfalz D.XIIs and Fokker E.Vs (which would later become the D.VIII) — neither of which we have. Perhaps the biggest concern is the role of the Halberstadt. The CL.II would have still been in operation as part of Schlastas alongside the newer CL.IV and these would have been flown in massed formations at very low altitude in advance of infantry pushes.

 

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Ironically, they may have been the very last Mercedes D.III-powered planes on the Western front not retrofitted with overcompression to achieve 200hp, as this was typically a field modification reserved for scouts operating at high altitude. Even so, by war's end a more powerful variant with a 200hp Argus engine (180hp by German measurements) was underway.

 

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But I digress.

 

If you can convince everyone who wants to fly Central that the choice is either high altitude patrol in the D.VIIF or massed low altitude ground attack against (imaginary) trenches in the CL.II, then you have something resembling September 1918. To be honest, I've never seen a formation of more than 2 or 3 Halberstadts in my years of flying it in Rise of Flight, so that would be a sight to behold. In sufficiently large numbers, they would be a pretty decent match against Camels, whether with AI or human gunners. Just forget about using them as high altitude recon, they simply lack the climbrate to do so.

 

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Source: Windsock Datafile 27 Halberstadt CL.II

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3 hours ago, J5_Hellbender said:

To be honest, I've never seen a formation of more than 2 or 3 Halberstadts in my years of flying it in Rise of Flight, so that would be a sight to behold.

 

In less years of play I have been luckier, having been a few times in formations of 4 or maybe even 5 Halberstadts. And DFWs, by the way. Great fun! :)

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I've seen 5 Breguets escorted by 8 or so SPADs before (in the last black sept. funnily,), 5 Halbs shouldn't be too hard to assemble! 

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Our server is up now and running a beta test prior to next weeks official test.  This is NOT exactly what you should expect but is similar to what Black September will be like.  We are all learning together here within the constraints we have.

Also, please register on the parser here:

http://162.248.94.112:8000/en/

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@J5_Hellbender : it will be the first FC event, and BS was never about following the history closely... RoF edition of BS split between altitude recons / hunting, low level ground attack / CAs / interdiction, and oddball missions, without much pretence of history. 

IIRC the first BA was centered on escorting Ai planes, because there was no controlable two-seaters at all, and it was great fun for everyone ?

I believe that assymetric missions (altitude recon and bombing for Entente, close air support for Central) could welll be possible.

Point winners: Halberstadt Cl.II - artillery attacks, convoy hunting, attacking army camps / dumps behind the front; Bristol - recon, bombing attacks (does Brisfit have proper bombsight now?). 
Interdiction: Fokker D.VIIF for recon hunting, Camel :(  for Halberstadt hunting. both limited in numbers.
Escort: Spad / S.E.5a for escorting recons, Pfalz / Dr.I for top cover of Halbs,  
Reserve: Dolphin and D.VII180hp and Albies can fill both roles specified above.

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4 hours ago, J2_Trupobaw said:

I believe that assymetric missions (altitude recon and bombing for Entente, close air support for Central) could welll be possible.

Point winners: Halberstadt Cl.II - artillery attacks, convoy hunting, attacking army camps / dumps behind the front; Bristol - recon, bombing attacks (does Brisfit have proper bombsight now?). 
Interdiction: Fokker D.VIIF for recon hunting, Camel :(  for Halberstadt hunting. both limited in numbers.
Escort: Spad / S.E.5a for escorting recons, Pfalz / Dr.I for top cover of Halbs,  
Reserve: Dolphin and D.VII180hp and Albies can fill both roles specified above.

 

I agree about the asymetric nature of mission objectives, which is the reason Black September was so "black" for the Entente, apart from the fact that many of the newly arrived (American) pilots were also inexperienced. Central forces had a successful defensive strategy with high altitude scouts hunting recons and their escorts, while their low altitude close infantry support covered both the infantry and itself.

 

To keep it simple, I would only make the distinction between high altitude and low altitude objectives.

 

High altitude (over 2000m): Bristol F.II/F.IIIs with photo recon objectives covered by SE5as and SPADs, while Fokker D.VIIFs interdict them — all of them in small numbers

Low altitude (below 50m): Camels with bombing objectives and Halberstadts with bombing objectives — all in large numbers, and with a high probability of meeting each other

 

I mean, sure, Bristols could technically do the bombing at whatever altitude they want (and wreak havoc in general), but they were seldom used as such, so I would just lock away bombs for them and get the Camels to do that instead. Besides, close infantry support is exactly what Camels were still used for in late 1918.

 

As for the rest (Alby, Pfalz, Dr.I, D.VII, Dolphin), sure you can add them too, and depending on how many people actually join the event they can all duke it out. None of them are relevant to late 1918, though. The idea of flying top cover for Halberstadts is nice, but the point of these planes is that they didn't need top cover when flown in sufficiently large numbers. And obviously the more pilots choose to fly an Albatros, the fewer machineguns can be trained on an attacking Camel. Entente Scouts in general avoided them as they were considered to be flying hornet nests and not safe to engage. The original "gaming the game".

 

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Source: German Aircraft of the First World War (1962)

Edited by J5_Hellbender
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And then the allies lamented about the Cl2 being overpowered. Halberstadt nerfed the plane causing the entente to win the war. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, US103_Talbot said:

And then the allies lamented about the Cl2 being overpowered. Halberstadt nerfed the plane causing the entente to win the war. 

 

 

We must learn from history or we are doomed to repeat it :D.

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On 8/25/2019 at 10:06 PM, J5_Baeumer said:

Our server is up now and running a beta test prior to next weeks official test.  This is NOT exactly what you should expect but is similar to what Black September will be like.  We are all learning together here within the constraints we have.

Also, please register on the parser here:

http://162.248.94.112:8000/en/

 

Adler Legion with limited staff is washes the planes and cleaning machine guns. 

 

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