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Does IL-2 GB need to return to the Eastern Front?

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I don't really care what front, as much as I care about what planes we will eventually have. In a short list, my hopes is to see the following at one point or another.

 

-Hellcat/Corsair

-Zero/Ki61

-Yak9/Yak3/La7

-Ta152/Bf109 G10/Fw190 A9

 

With what we already have planned, this would be a dream.

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i would add Ki-84b, N1K2J and J2M3 on that list so Hellcat and Corsairs have something interesting to fight :)

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I certainly wouldn't pay for yet another Eastern Front module/expansion. 

I'm not saying that I would entirely abandon the IL2 BOX series if they did, I'd just continue to enjoy my existing titles and allow others to pay for yet another EF set. 

Just me and my wallet talking. 

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One thing that could be added is the Soviet invasion of Japan in 1945. Though if it ever happened it would be a minor project

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11 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

One thing that could be added is the Soviet invasion of Japan in 1945. Though if it ever happened it would be a minor project

 

Could be a good way to bridge the WWII - Korea gap. After Okinawa we should have a late-war Japanese planeset.

Then add a Sturmoviks over Manchuria-style set of late-war soviet types, which could also be used in a future Korean War setting, or against the late-war Luftwaffe aircraft from Bodenplatte over a 1945 Berlin map. 

Two further birds with one stone. 

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More likely it’s a bridge to bankruptcy.  If they do a late war VVS planeset it will almost certainly be on an Eastern Front map.

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14 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

More likely it’s a bridge to bankruptcy.  If they do a late war VVS planeset it will almost certainly be on an Eastern Front map.

 

Sure as hell. Vistula/Oder operation 1944 and/or Berlin 1945. So much still to discover on eastern front.

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late vvs fighters, no messing with complex timers and boosts is the way to go, just do some late 44-45 east front after midway as fast as posible :)

dlc yak9u first afcorse 😄

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13 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

late vvs fighters, no messing with complex timers and boosts is the way to go, just do some late 44-45 east front after midway as fast as posible :)

dlc yak9u first afcorse 😄


Well VK-107  (engine in the Yak-9U) has emergency mode :P

 

vk-jpg.214056
 

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Just now, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:


Well VK-107  (engine in the Yak-9U) has emergency mode :P

 

vk-jpg.214056
 

no yak9u sudenly it looks to complex, give us yak9t :) 

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I would love to see some late war Russian aircraft. The Luftwaffe vs VVS is probably my favorite match-up. The Pacific is very intriguing as well, and I very much look forward to seeing that next.

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I wonder what the communities opinion is regard scenarios in the east that saw USAAF/RAF involvement too, like Hungary or Berlin. The planeset would be mostly Luftwaffe/VVS, but maybe a AI-only USAAF bomber like the B-17/B-24 with reduced FM/AI could be added and we would be able to use the Allied fighters from Battle of Bodenplatte, but only in airstart missions.

 

Would such a compromise be acceptable for Western Front fans?   

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29 minutes ago, Juri_JS said:

I wonder what the communities opinion is regard scenarios in the east that saw USAAF/RAF involvement too, like Hungary or Berlin. The planeset would be mostly Luftwaffe/VVS, but maybe a AI-only USAAF bomber like the B-17/B-24 with reduced FM/AI could be added and we would be able to use the Allied fighters from Battle of Bodenplatte, but only in airstart missions.

 

Would such a compromise be acceptable for Western Front fans?   

 

I'd settle for a Berlin expansion with allied aircraft from both the west and east, but other than that I think we need to stay away from the eastern front for quite some time. Honestly we've had three eastern expansion already, this is our first western expansion. No need to go back to the east anytime soon, lets get the Pacific and maybe another Western Europe/Italy expansion out of the way first.

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4 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

I wonder what the communities opinion is regard scenarios in the east that saw USAAF/RAF involvement too, like Hungary or Berlin. The planeset would be mostly Luftwaffe/VVS, but maybe a AI-only USAAF bomber like the B-17/B-24 with reduced FM/AI could be added and we would be able to use the Allied fighters from Battle of Bodenplatte, but only in airstart missions.

 

Would such a compromise be acceptable for Western Front fans?   

I have thought about that also. 1945 Berlin allows you to bring in late war VVS planes like La7, Yak3 as well as other Lw and even additional US/CW planes to use on the BOBP map. I think it would make a nice complement to BOBP.

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I came in to this series after a friend gave me a code for BoS and mentioned Midway as being on the horizon. 

 

I started playing and got hooked then read that Kuban was being worked on instead. I was disappointed but started reading more and more about the Eastern theatre and finally bought it and was amazed. The map is superb and the planeset is great and I found all the reference material I could about this phase of the war.

 

I initially felt the same about Bodenplatte, but again have been reading up on the era and on the planes involved and seeing all your pics of P47s and late FW190s and now can't wait to play it when the map drops.

 

So basically, whilst I'd prefer to see Italy (find a way to wedge G55s and MC205s in!) or some Pacific campaigns (New Guinea would fit the career mode perfectly IMO), I really put my trust in the team to develop whatever makes sense for them; I'm sure wherever they go I'll read about it and be hooked by the time it's released.

 

Off to go find some reading material about late war Eastern Front. Someone mentioned a campaign in Hungary? That works for me, I'll start there...

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I think we have enough for the eastern front for now, and I'd prefer it if they waited to revisit it until they're finished with the west and pacific theatres first. After that they could perhaps add a late war eastern front add on DLC.

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Personally I would be happy if some time later the last airplanes of the Ostfront theatre would be added. But even more I would appreciate it if we head towards bigger bombers (B17/24) or into the Pacific with naval fighters from both sides. Both scenarios are barely or not exploited at all.

But no matter where we go next, I'm looking forward to the new expansion that will surely enrich the game.

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Well, but how much longer do we need to "test out"? Games age as well. Moreover: The Pacific, or to be correct, the Asiatic-Pacific-Theatre was so much more than carrier warfare. In fact, I advocate the idea of starting this off with something less naval-centric like New Guinea 1942/43 (still many anti-shipping strikes & IJN aircraft). Carrier warfare might be iconic, but it's pretty hard to replicate and gets stale easily. A second release could then be dedicated to the Battle of the Coral Sea afterwards; compared to Midway (not even thinking of Okinawa): Smaller number of ship classes, smaller number of aircraft types, the Devs are already used to Japanese aircraft by then, and it's closely related to the New Guinea campaign. If people get bored by doing the same thing over and over again, they could always revert back to New Guinea.

That said, if it has to be carrier warfare first: so be it. For me personal, the next game pack(s) has(/have) to be set at least somewhere in the Asiatic-Pacific-Theatre.

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

Would such a compromise be acceptable for Western Front fans?   

I'm not too fond of this idea. Never worked out properly in first Gen. and the maps had to be much larger. Berlin itself wouldn't be a good choice anyway in my opinion.

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The Pacific section of the forum has been closed to any replies. The only explanation is the Pacific is postponed indefinitely and we are going to finish out the Eastern Front.

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1 hour ago, Danziger said:

The Pacific section of the forum has been closed to any replies. The only explanation is the Pacific is postponed indefinitely and we are going to finish out the Eastern Front.

 

If they might decide against PTO in the nearer future, due to whatever limitation they ran into, I would like to see 44/45 Eastfront or 43/44 Westfront as the next module. That would both offer the possibility to prolong existing careers and most likely has the best potential to generate new sales to keep the boat floating.

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1 hour ago, Danziger said:

The Pacific section of the forum has been closed to any replies. The only explanation is the Pacific is postponed indefinitely and we are going to finish out the Eastern Front.

 

That section was always like that, users can only reply on topics made by devs. The ones you see there started by players with answers were moved there by mods from the general section afaik

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I think the EF is "unfinished" - especially since some kewl soviet planes like the La 5F/a later La 5FN/ the La 7, several Yaks and later Aerocobras are missing.

This should be dealt with. A Battle of Berlin map would be very interesting.

 

At the same time, I'd like a "Razorback" add-on, that gives us the early P-47D (possibly a teen block and a pre -25 twen block) and the P-51B/C and maybe even including an Allison Mustang which is long, long overdue in WW2 sims).

Late Spitfires are missing, just like the elephant in the room - the Typhoon.

 

The only (non special supercharged) late Luftwaffe fighters missing atm are the 109 G-10 and 190 A-9 airframes. A gap easily closed.

 

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It needs to take in mind that il2GB development takes way more time than  il2:1946 did due to it's fidelity so sticking to single theatre could mean never going to another theatre.

 

We have Eastern front with upcoming Western front so next smart move would be PTO, that way majority of fronts are covered for everyone's taste dragging in wide audience and creating strong customer base.

Once we have that it's easy to go forth and back revisiting theatres and filling missing and interesting content that interests minor playerbase.

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1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

The only Eastern Front I'd like to see is Op Barbarossa... 

Essential!

 

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Any map and planeset in Europe 1945 would give us obviously historical scenarios but servers would have "what if"-option also in use for alternative history, where tension between East and West after Germany is defeated erupt to war long before Korea. How fun would it be to escort Thunderbolts with 262´s against LA-7's and see Shermans and Tigers side to side 😜

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I'd gladly have another eastern front expansion, but I'm one of those weird Americans who is really into the war in Russia. 

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The Leningrad Map is being made by Finns enthusiasts.

The Kursk for TC can be expanded for the whole battle.

The one we need is Barbarossa with the new plane set to fill in the gaps.

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On 12/23/2018 at 10:25 AM, 15[Span.]/JG51Spartan said:

The one we need is Barbarossa with the new plane set to fill in the gaps.

 

Agreed. Some Smolensk area map could be used both for the June-August 1941 battles and for 1943 battles and by that we could get some early VSS planes I-153, early Yak-1, DB-3 and Lagg-3 and maybe even some Luftwaffe oddballs like the HS-123 Biplane and some 1943 VSS stuff like Yak-9 and maybe a Tu-3. Maybe they find a competent 3rd-party for the job.

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I can see two main problems with Barbarossa.

One, all the main variants are already modeled in BOM. Is there a market for lesser known variants?

Two, a typical BOX map is 200-300 x 300-400 km. You model any area that includes the 1941 borders and you see it was overrun by the Axis forces in 2-3 weeks which limits the possibility of historical scenarios.

No doubt the Devs weighed all this when they decided to go with BOM.

If the devs go back to the estern front, I suspect it will be late war, probably Battle of Berlin 1945. Currently reading a book on the air war and the GAF put up 1500 planes against the Russians in jan.-feb. 45, mostly fighters/jabos. That opens up a lot of possible scenarios.

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Just off the top of my head... Barbarossa,

Ju87B and R series

HS 123

Do17 and Do215

Fw 189

Bf 109 E4? (not sure if any of these were still active in 1941)

 

I-153

I-15 bis

TB3

AR-2

SB

Su-2

I-16 early variants... (there were several early types still in service at the start of Barbarossa)

 

There are others I'm sure that I've missed, but I still think this phase  of the Eastern Front should not be missed out of the 'Great Battles' series, as it was truly a momentous start to the Russian war.

 

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To answer the OP - Yes, if anything for an early/late Leningrad theatre.

 

Also, on the topic of future expansions:

-Jason has already stated that MED/FRANCE/ITALY will NOT HAPPEN anytime soon because TFS is on that front

-Pacific is a broad theatre of operations, and with the aforementioned problems that Jason and other members have already stated, the likelihood of it being the next GB installment is unsure

-Korea is the perfect theatre to be tackled next after BoBP imo. It has participation from 3 nationalities of interest for 1C: USA, Russia and China. With the development of the Me-262's jet engine tech and the recent addition of better subsonic and trans-sonic aerodynamics it would fit perfectly with where the sim is headed. As for the apparent disinterest shown by some toward this theatre I have this to say: It ain't 1944 anymore gramps

 

Just my 2¢, at the end of the day I'll fly pretty much anything they put out, simply because I love aviation and aerial combat history too much to be deterred by any ideological or nationalistic impetus.

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I would love to see AI Bombers like a B-17 or a B-24. I think I would shed a tear if and when that happens..

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