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IMHO Korea would be very risky .... I am not sure myself that I would buy that expansion.

A different scenario on the Pacific would do as a beachhead for the future aeronaval engagements. My 2cents as well.

Even Malta could serve that purpose ...

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A smaller Berlin map including Seelow like the one they are making for TC would be great. Its such a pivotal battle that reserves to be told.

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55 minutes ago, 325th_Bugsy said:

I would love to see AI Bombers like a B-17 or a B-24. I think I would shed a tear if and when that happens..

 

Unfortunately, Jason has mentioned on several previous occasions that:

-They do not have the resources or the manpower to produce an aircraft of that scope, size and complexity

-Some of the peculiarities of the GB engine make it so an aircraft of said scope, size and complexity would have a considerable hit on the performance across the board. Also, seeing as some of the more diehard and unfortunately vocal minority seem opposed to any kind of compromise to alleviate these issues, it is unlikely.

 

55 minutes ago, 6./ZG76_Passion said:

I'd personally rather wait for pacific than have Korea. Jets don't really interest me.

 

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To be honest I am not really sure what’s up next. We got 3 packs instead of one inbetween Kuban and Midway. Korea would be a project I think suit the developers. But if Korea is up next I take that as a message that Pacific is out the 🚪 

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Battle of Kursk  1943 ,  The Soviet Counterattack 1944 & The Defense of the Reich 1945 .

 

 

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I wouldn't be surprised if they got fed up with answering the same question over and over and just closed it... I don't blame em, as we have had our answer and still they get it in the head.

 

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19 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

To be honest I am not really sure what’s up next. We got 3 packs instead of one inbetween Kuban and Midway. Korea would be a project I think suit the developers. But if Korea is up next I take that as a message that Pacific is out the 🚪 

 

As a glass half full kind of guy, I prefer to think that the longer we have to wait for the PTO, the more awesome it will be in terms of all the advances in terms of game engine and graphical fidelity when we eventually get it :)

 

As for the main question, of does IL2 need to return to the eastern front, I would have to say perhaps one day, but not in the near future, and certainly not before it returns to the English Channel ;)

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34 minutes ago, =11=Herne said:

As a glass half full kind of guy

 

Yeah I am usually that guy myself, but in here I have probably developed into halfempty...

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I'd like to see TC and FC get some much needed updates before I'm worried about the next area of combat.

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Just now, SCG_Neun said:

I'd like to see TC and FC get some much needed updates before I'm worried about the next area of combat.

 

You mean the modules that are not even released yet? Yes they’ll get updates.

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Thanks Gambit, but I never said they wouldn't get updates, I was simply saying that I'm not worried about whatever the next product released for sale might be but that I'd like to have finished the products that have already been sold.  It's not a complaint, just hoping that something new doesn't get started before what's been started get's closer to getting finished.  I'm really enjoying both TC and FC and I'm chomping at the bit to get some more updates for them both.

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Well noone worries for the updates on Packs already on Works. 

The developers have Black belt in delivering and improve promised goodies

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Before we see one more eastern Front theater.... i‘d rather like to see

-PTO Midway, Guadalcanal e.g

-Early Westernfront like airbattels over to Low countrys, over Sedan, even over Dunkirk ( this also could have the Tanks of the area in it) 

 -Italy and or north Africa 

- last but not least nightfighters fighting Lanc‘s over the Ruhr ( as a „Mini“ addon with 4 Planes Lancaster and Moskito for the allies and the BF 110-G4 / Ju88-C6 and for the fighter Jokey‘s FW 190 A8-R11 (i think thats the NJ Version of the A8) 

 

I know that for the Theaters i mentioned we have basicly every german plane in the Game already, maybe two more 109‘s as Fighters E1 and E3/E4. Plus an early StuKa ,Bf110 and maybe an flying pencil... 

 

And still i would pay the full Price for the Titel! 

 

 

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1 hour ago, I./JG62_Lord_Efe said:

-Early Westernfront like airbattels over to Low countrys, over Sedan, even over Dunkirk ( this also could have the Tanks of the area in it) 

 -Italy and or north Africa 

 

For the 100th time, TFS is in charge of early ETO and MTO, so not gonna happen.

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14 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

Well noone worries for the updates on Packs already on Works. 

The developers have Black belt in delivering and improve promised goodies

several months after the promised date.

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I know that TFS are doing that, but they work on a base that is more then 10 years old, and is already pretty rusted ... imo. 

 

I just said id rather like to see that instead of more ETO ... 

 

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On 12/26/2018 at 9:14 PM, Tony_Kito said:

 

Unfortunately, Jason has mentioned on several previous occasions that:

-They do not have the resources or the manpower to produce an aircraft of that scope, size and complexity

-Some of the peculiarities of the GB engine make it so an aircraft of said scope, size and complexity would have a considerable hit on the performance across the board. Also, seeing as some of the more diehard and unfortunately vocal minority seem opposed to any kind of compromise to alleviate these issues, it is unlikely.

 

 

Sad.

Pity.

That pretty much rules out my suggestion for a new scenario, which would've been a "Defense of the Reich" sort of deal. ETO, 1943 - 45, western Allies vs LW. And without flyable B-17s that scenario just wouldn't feel complete.

 

Other than that ... I've never been a huge fan of PAC scenarios, although the prospect of carrier ops is interesting.

 

I also think that ETO, LW vs RAF/USAAF still is the most attractive scenario for WW2-aviation fans, so I'm not sure that PAC would generate as big a draw as the ETO-scenrio I had in mind. The one scenario that comes close in attractiveness (IMO) is the BoB perhaps, but CoD Blitz pretty much has that one covered.

So the next item on my wishlist would be a N-Africa scenario, complete with the relevant early to mid war tanks/ground vehicles. But from what I've read in my quest to get back up to speed on current developments, that scenario is also planned as a CoD expansion/sequel, so ...🤔

 

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1 hour ago, Tony_Kito said:

 

For the 100th time, TFS is in charge of early ETO and MTO, so not gonna happen.

if they are not alowed to make TFS 6 after TFS 5, all is open, also nothing stops making late Italy if airplanes and maps are atractive even if TFS makes 6-7 or 8 dlc, like we got late ETO now, it would take years for TFS to get to that timeline in ETO and MTO as they go year by year from what is shown ( after TFS5, they can do El Alamain map, west Libya and se tunis map, Landings Torch map, North Tunis campaign map, Malta and Sicily map for early war and later landings on operation Husky, and only then they go to point of invasions of south Italy map, and still far from 45 italy ops on north, thats many many years if all goes well for TFS and CloD )

38 minutes ago, 1Sascha said:

Pity.

That pretty much rules out my suggestion for a new scenario, which would've been a "Defense of the Reich" sort of deal. ETO, 1943 - 45, western Allies vs LW. And without flyable B-17s that scenario just wouldn't feel complete.

 

Other than that ... I've never been a huge fan of PAC scenarios, although the prospect of carrier ops is interesting.

 

I also think that ETO, LW vs RAF/USAAF still is the most attractive scenario for WW2-aviation fans, so I'm not sure that PAC would generate as big a draw as the ETO-scenrio I had in mind. The one scenario that comes close in attractiveness (IMO) is the BoB perhaps, but CoD Blitz pretty much has that one covered.

So the next item on my wishlist would be a N-Africa scenario, complete with the relevant early to mid war tanks/ground vehicles. But from what I've read in my quest to get back up to speed on current developments, that scenario is also planned as a CoD expansion/sequel, so ...🤔

 

S.

 

 

Flyable B-17 would work best in CloD as it can easy suport that big numbers of AI or human bombers, so if they make it and go in 1942 or 43 channel front ( they already have useable map from BoB ) they can easy make B-17 as they did operated in 1942 with americans on day bombings escorted with Spitfire 9s at france citys on map they have. Also that game suports better high alt targets and vis range is 25km for air and ground objects, i played many raids on SOW server on event nights in he-111 and ju88 with 20-30 human players in bombers + same or more AI bombers and many more humans escorting, CloD is made for that stuff, and can easy have 100+ slots with big number of ground targets and AI at same time.

Best bet for flying B-17 would be succes of TFS 5 and then maybe geting it in TFS6 if thats what they plan as timeline fits.

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16 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

if they are not alowed to make TFS 6 after TFS 5, all is open, also nothing stops making late Italy like we got late ETO it would take years for TFS to get to that timeline as they go year by year from what is shown ( after TFS5, they can do El Alamain map, west Libya and se tunis map, Landings Torch map, North Tunis campaign map, Malta and Sicily map for early war and later landings on operation Husky, and only then they go to point of invasions of south Italy map, and still far from 45 italy ops on north, thats many many years if all goes well for TFS and CloD )

 

Flyable B-17 would work best in CloD as it can easy suport that big numbers of AI or human bombers, so if they make it and go in 1942 or 43 channel front ( they already have useable map from BoB ) they can easy make B-17 as they did operated in 1942 with americans on day bombings escorted with Spitfire 9s at france citys on map they have. Also that game suports better high alt targets and vis range is 25km for air and ground objects, i played many raids on SOW server on event nights in he-111 and ju88 with 20-30 human players in bombers + same or more AI bombers and many more humans escorting, CloD is made for that stuff, and can easy have 100+ slots with big number of ground targets and AI at same time.

Best bet for flying B-17 would be succes of TFS 5 and then maybe geting it in TFS6 if thats what they plan as timeline fits.

 

Hmm... sounds like there's no way forward but ... forward. So.... 1946? 109 Z, P-80, Griffon Spit, Do 335, Horten/Go, Me 163 and perhaps a 109/190 Mistel for laughs?

 

Personally, I've always thought going further back in time and doing a Spanish Civil War scenario could be interesting. Although I'm not sure lots of people would find pre-Emil 109s, I-16s and all sorts of weird biplanes as attractive of a plane-set as I do. ;)

Battle of France would also be a neat idea (plus it hasn't been done to death like some other scenarios) ... but since it's also pre-BoB, I guess that too falls into Team Fusion territory.

 

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Early spanish war is open for all, but i think it would bancrupt anyone who try it so thats why its open for all :)

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On 12/26/2018 at 1:25 PM, 15[Span.]/JG51Spartan said:

IMHO Korea would be very risky .... I am not sure myself that I would buy that expansion.

A different scenario on the Pacific would do as a beachhead for the future aeronaval engagements. My 2cents as well.

Even Malta could serve that purpose ...

 

Agreed, I think there is more than enough materiel out there to keep the Great Battles series firmly rooted in WW2 for a long time to come. The western front alone has a ton of options remaining, which BoP is only dipping its toes into. 

 

The main challenge, really, is that we are starting to exhaust new assets for the LW. In order to have new "Battles of" expansions of the same scale as the previous ones (with a substantial amount of axis aircraft), a major change in timeline or theater will be necessary. Battle of Britain is an obvious example, giving us a go at the early war LW and RAF hardware. Battle of Malta or other Mediterranean battles would also work (more italian aircraft would be nice). And naturally the Pacific would bring a whole new lineup.

 

I wouldn't be adverse to a late war eastern front map either, to be fair. I would be _really_ happy to have the opportunity to fly the better soviet hardware (La-7, Yak-3, Yak-9, and so on)... the main challenge there would be to scrounge more axis hardware to include in the "Battle of" scenario. I'm sure that's been discussed at length in this thread. :)

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, -[HRAF]BubiHUN said:

several months after the promised date.

I am not saying you are wrong. But can you be specific? I fly mostly DCS and are used to the “two weeks” term usually meaning abandoned or a year ahead.  I have not really waited for anything here. And I flew it the day it started

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2 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

I am not saying you are wrong. But can you be specific? I fly mostly DCS and are used to the “two weeks” term usually meaning abandoned or a year ahead.  I have not really waited for anything here. And I flew it the day it started

"We will finish Boden untill the end of the year" and so on.

Anyway, I like the game, but a great improvement for MP could be good.
 

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43 minutes ago, 71st_AH_Yankee_ said:

 

Agreed, I think there is more than enough materiel out there to keep the Great Battles series firmly rooted in WW2 for a long time to come. The western front alone has a ton of options remaining, which BoP is only dipping its toes into. 

 

The main challenge, really, is that we are starting to exhaust new assets for the LW. In order to have new "Battles of" expansions of the same scale as the previous ones (with a substantial amount of axis aircraft), a major change in timeline or theater will be necessary. Battle of Britain is an obvious example, giving us a go at the early war LW and RAF hardware. Battle of Malta or other Mediterranean battles would also work (more italian aircraft would be nice). And naturally the Pacific would bring a whole new lineup.

 

I wouldn't be adverse to a late war eastern front map either, to be fair. I would be _really_ happy to have the opportunity to fly the better soviet hardware (La-7, Yak-3, Yak-9, and so on)... the main challenge there would be to scrounge more axis hardware to include in the "Battle of" scenario. I'm sure that's been discussed at length in this thread. :)

 

 

 

I would buy Korea. Because I believe it would bring more players in. And we do not need complex systems for it. Except from heat seeking missiles. This was coded by modders in old IL 2. But not the pack I personally would wish for first

3 minutes ago, -[HRAF]BubiHUN said:

"We will finish Boden untill the end of the year" and so on.

Anyway, I like the game, but a great improvement for MP could be good.
 

Ok thanks for the answer

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9 minutes ago, -[HRAF]BubiHUN said:

 

Anyway, I like the game, but a great improvement for MP could be good.
 

Yup. I really, really hope they'll use their newly acquired tanks to expand the scope of the game. Both in MP and SP.

Since I can't get early access as a Steam customer, I can't get my hands on Tank Crew yet. So I'm not sure where they are going with it and whether or not they're planning to integrate the tank-part with the flight-sim-part of the game(s). But I'm hopeful.. :)

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3 hours ago, Tony_Kito said:

 

For the 100th time, TFS is in charge of early ETO and MTO, so not gonna happen.

 

something like this could fit nicly for late 1944 and 1945 Italy, and almost all airplanes from BoBp operated there also and some from that Italy DLC could be used in BoBp

 

for Axis: G.55 Serie I , MC.205V Serie III , Bf-109G-10 , Me-410B-3, Ar-234B-2

for Allieds: P-39Q-20 , P-47D-30 ( or razerback P-47D-22 or P-51C-10 ) , Spitfire Mk.VIII , B-26G-5  , B-25J-15 ( or Mosquito NF MK.XIX or P-61B-2 )

 

Map area would be around 450x500km but more populated with big citys but bonus would be no naval operations , something like this ( all airplanes on list had bases in area and operated in operations in late 44 early 45)  :

 

t9k5d4.jpg

 

 

and you can use it for operations from after Rome is liberated and Ghotic line advances started, till end of war in Italy in late 45, dont know what would be good name for it Battle of ?.

 

There was big use of Bf-109G14s, Bf-109Ks later, Fw109F8, ( dont know about D9s and 262s (red tails say they were there :)  ) ) and Spitfire 9s, and P-51Ds and P-47Ds and P-38Js from bobp there, so its good combo to have both DLC 😄

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4 hours ago, Tony_Kito said:

 

For the 100th time, TFS is in charge of early ETO and MTO, so not gonna happen.

 

Has that actually been stated by the devs, or is just an assumption?

 

Nothing against TFS, but they are in fact separate sims, and IL-2 is definitely their main revenue generator at this time. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Battle of Britain as part of the IL-2 Great Battles series, as it would have more breadth to the product, and having the choice to play that theater without having to switch sims would be welcome.

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1 hour ago, 77.CountZero said:

( dont know about D9s and 262s (red tails say they were there  :)  ) ) 

 

IIRC they encountered them (262s of JG 7) while escorting the B17s to Berlin, so they were near Berlin and not in Italy, where 262s never were operating.

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1 hour ago, 71st_AH_Yankee_ said:

 

Has that actually been stated by the devs, or is just an assumption?

 

Nothing against TFS, but they are in fact separate sims, and IL-2 is definitely their main revenue generator at this time. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Battle of Britain as part of the IL-2 Great Battles series, as it would have more breadth to the product, and having the choice to play that theater without having to switch sims would be welcome.

This. TFS is on a longer time scale than DCS. I really hope GB series will not be leaving out BoB or Med for the hope of selling a few more copies of CloD.

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4 minutes ago, Danziger said:

This. TFS is on a longer time scale than DCS. I really hope GB series will not be leaving out BoB or Med for the hope of selling a few more copies of CloD.

 

As much as i respect what TFS is doing CloD for me is still unplayable. I don't think they should really be taken into consideration when planning for a new module for the BOX series. 

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1 hour ago, sevenless said:

 

IIRC they encountered them (262s of JG 7) while escorting the B17s to Berlin, so they were near Berlin and not in Italy, where 262s never were operating.

ok thanks, when i was reserching there was reorts of mistaken id as 262 but in real it was recon arados, so i tought redtails just run with it and used 262s and 30mm that dont do mutch damage when hit pilots 😄

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2 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

 just run with it and used 262s and 30mm that dont do mutch damage when hit pilots 😄

 

Yes that was one hillarious scene. What really would have happened can be guestimated from this quote:

 

At 1015 hrs, the jets attacked the B-17s of the 3rd Air Division in line astern from 6000-7000 metres between Braunschweig and Magdeburg. Hauptmann Heinz Gutmann (a former bomber pilot with III./KG 53 and a Knight’s Cross holder now flying with 10./JG 7), the veteran Kdo. Nowotny pilot Leutnant Karl Schnörrer of 11./JG 7 and Oberfeldwebel Helmut Lennartz of 9./JG 7 each claimed a B-17 destroyed, while Oberfähnrich Heinz Russel of 9./JG 7 and Oberfeldwebel Hermann Buchner managed to shoot down a P-47 and P-51, respectively, with Buchner also claiming a B-17. He recalled; ‘We broke through the fighter escorts, but then found ourselves under massive defensive fire from the bombers’ turret gunners. When we were about 1000 metres from the bombers, Gutmann’s cockpit flashed with fire and his fighter sheared away from our formation and dived away vertically. I think he might have been killed outright, as he did not attempt to bale out.’ Gutmann’s Me 262 hit the ground a few kilometres south of Braunschweig. For his part, Russel, another former Kdo. Nowotny pilot, had actually targeted a B-17, but just as he opened fire with his 30 mm MK 108 cannon, a P-47 flew across his path and was blown apart in mid-air.

 

Forsyth, Robert. Jagdgeschwader 7 'Novotny' (Aviation Elite Units) . Osprey Publishing. Kindle-Version. 

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2 hours ago, 71st_AH_Yankee_ said:

Has that actually been stated by the devs, or is just an assumption?

 

 

Listen to the whole thing [edited]

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1 hour ago, -LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor said:

 

As much as i respect what TFS is doing CloD for me is still unplayable. I don't think they should really be taken into consideration when planning for a new module for the BOX series. 

When TFS releases TF 5.0 in, probably the spring of 2019, all of the bugs and problems still lingering in it will be resolved, and the game will be playable just like BoS and 1946. I think that Team Fusion should continue and do the Med because many parts of the Med haven’t been covered before in a sim, such as Malta, Sicily, Italy, Algeria. Cliffs of Dover covers mainly the RAF in WW2, and after BoB the RAF was mainly deployed to the Mediterranean. Fact is that many members of Team Fusion are from England so making RAF aircraft would be much easier and take less time than if Jason and his team were making those aircraft. I think another reason Jason doesn’t want to do the Med is because he and his team are mainly based in Russia. Therefore they don’t know very much about that theatre. However, because they are from Russia they know lots about the Eastern Front and making Russian planes and tanks would be easier for them. 

     If IL-2 GB did do then there would be fewer aircraft than in CoD mainly due to the fact that they are a small team compared to TFS and other dev teams. The Mediterranean had lots of ships and planes that fought there, and a team with lots of members would be required to make them. Same with D-Day. Another point is that while making IL-2 GB is Jason’s and everyone else’s main job, for TFS, this is just a hobby that they can only do in their spare time. Whenever you have the time to play IL-2 is probably when the members of Team Fusion have time to work on the CoD. That being said, TFS should be respected and shouldn’t have a bunch of game players telling them what to do and what they shouldn’t make. Only themselves and 1CGS.

 

Fun Fact: There will be an Atlantic map, as well as a map covering Western England and the Bay of Biscay. Check out the December TFS update if you don’t believe this.

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6 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said:

When TFS releases TF 5.0 in, probably the spring of 2019,

 

Make that 2020, which is more realistic judged by the current state of affairs.

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25 minutes ago, Tony_Kito said:

 

Listen to the whole thing [edited]

 

I imagine the edited part was for rudeness, which is uncalled for given the perfectly pertinent question I asked.

 

That said, that's that answer then. I do hope he changes his mind on the Battle of Britain, as it's be a wonderful addition and early western front is something they have yet to play with, but that does appear unlikely now. I'd still pay good money for it. :)

 

Given that, however, I'm guessing a Pivot To The Pacific is in the cards, or perhaps a later eastern front scenario. The challenge with the latter, however, is in finding appropriate LW hardware to add, since BoBP is basically running through all the main LW hardware, especially when it comes to fighters.

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28 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said:

When TFS releases TF 5.0 in, probably the spring of 2019, all of the bugs and problems still lingering in it will be resolved, and the game will be playable just like BoS and 1946. I think that Team Fusion should continue and do the Med because many parts of the Med haven’t been covered before in a sim, such as Malta, Sicily, Italy, Algeria. Cliffs of Dover covers mainly the RAF in WW2, and after BoB the RAF was mainly deployed to the Mediterranean. Fact is that many members of Team Fusion are from England so making RAF aircraft would be much easier and take less time than if Jason and his team were making those aircraft. I think another reason Jason doesn’t want to do the Med is because he and his team are mainly based in Russia. Therefore they don’t know very much about that theatre. However, because they are from Russia they know lots about the Eastern Front and making Russian planes and tanks would be easier for them. 

     If IL-2 GB did do then there would be fewer aircraft than in CoD mainly due to the fact that they are a small team compared to TFS and other dev teams. The Mediterranean had lots of ships and planes that fought there, and a team with lots of members would be required to make them. Same with D-Day. Another point is that while making IL-2 GB is Jason’s and everyone else’s main job, for TFS, this is just a hobby that they can only do in their spare time. Whenever you have the time to play IL-2 is probably when the members of Team Fusion have time to work on the CoD. That being said, TFS should be respected and shouldn’t have a bunch of game players telling them what to do and what they shouldn’t make. Only themselves and 1CGS.

 

Fun Fact: There will be an Atlantic map, as well as a map covering Western England and the Bay of Biscay. Check out the December TFS update if you don’t believe this.

 

TFS can do whatever they want, nobody is trying to tell them what to do. What i do not want however is TFS to effect the decisions and possible modules of IL2 because of what they are creating (i doubt they do but you never know).

 

25 minutes ago, sevenless said:

Make that 2020, which is more realistic judged by the current state of affairs.

 

I would say that is probably more accurate than a 2019 release.

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3 hours ago, -LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor said:

What i do not want however is TFS to effect the decisions and possible modules of IL2 because of what they are creating

That will never happen because 1CGS has no intent of going to whatever TF creates. The only thing I think 1C will make that takes place in North Africa is the tank battle of El Alamein. It says here on wiki “ A North Africa expansion module is currently in development with a likely release in 2019”. 

Even the moderator, “Buzzsaw” said that it will be done in 2019.

I believe that TF 6.0 will be out in 2020.

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You guys need to let go of BoB and the Med for now (for a long time/forever)...and further Eastern Front full releases.

Not happening.

 

You'll see new Russia maps now and then, and premium aircraft now and then (late war Russian stuff I'd be willing to bet) which is as good as a full release for my

money. However Great Battles, Kursk, or Leningrad etc is not going to manifest. This is a business - they need revenue - that means creating modules that will sell.

 

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