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40 minutes ago, EAF_Ribbon said:

 

No matter who ever that will be, but i think BoX is on the good way to reach 1946 fame.....PTO will be huge step toward it, variety will be achieved,

 

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33 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

 

More elevation and variation and close to sea :)

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Si, concordato - much better than more taiga, steppe, or farmland.

 

However I still very much prefer okonomiyaki  or bulgogi in lieu of pasta any day.

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6 hours ago, Frequent_Flyer said:

We certainly do not need to see the same monotonous  109,190, Yak La-5 escorting the same twin and single engine  attack aircraft, attacking a convoy of vehicles over a five year span of history, .

 

That's like saying PTO is just a Wildcat/Hellcat taking off, flying through the same all blue scenery for hours looking for a bunch of ships to bomb. 

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5 hours ago, EAF_Ribbon said:

In few months as BoBp getting closer to release i hope Jason will suprise us with some kind of announcement.

 

I am curious as hell, what the next flight-sim scenario will be. You can bet your wife´s ass on that. 😎

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Last time the next announcement didnt happen until a month after release. I think they had to struggle and hash out what would and would work for that time inbetween. 

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4 hours ago, Field-Ops said:

Last time the next announcement didnt happen until a month after release. I think they had to struggle and hash out what would and would work for that time inbetween. 

PTO was announced before BoK release but delay happend at the time of release.

But you're right, maybe this time they won't announce anything until BoBp is released and they are 100% sure what next expansion will be.

I hope we won't have to wait BoBp release to find out.

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After Bodenplatte, then the focus will be FC and TC so I wouldn't hold your breath...

I've said it before, after watching Jason's interview with Froogle, he was more than enthusiastic about the possibility of a Korea expansion. (it's a good interview and worth watching by the way)

It's something that has been mentioned by Han as well.

 

If the Pacific is not forthcoming in the next couple of years, you can bet your boots that Korea will be more than 'in the running'...

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1 minute ago, Trooper117 said:

After Bodenplatte, then the focus will be FC and TC so I wouldn't hold your breath...

I've said it before, after watching Jason's interview with Froogle, he was more than enthusiastic about the possibility of a Korea expansion.

It's something that has been mentioned by Han as well.

 

If the Pacific is not forthcoming in the next couple of years, you can bet your boots that Korea will be more than 'in the running'...

 

 

I'm certainly no businessman, but with DCS already having done Korea-era aircraft, and very nicely done at that, and a map to come I think, I wonder if it's a good idea to go there.

 

Then again if BOX went to Korea, I'd buy it in a heartbeat, so maybe I really don't know what the hell I'm talking about. :biggrin:

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DCS gave a passing nod to Korea, with two planes from the 50's and nothing more.  It is nothing they would ever follow up on in our lifetime.  ;)

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And there is really nothing to do with those two aircraft in DCS, and no place to fly them that feels remotely sensible.

 

I think BoX's way of doing things would be a perfect fit for the conflict in 50's Korea.

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V Eastern Front

V Western Front

V MTO

V PTO

V CBI

V SCW

 

X BOB

X Korea

X Vietnam

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4 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

 

I'm certainly no businessman, but with DCS already having done Korea-era aircraft, and very nicely done at that, and a map to come I think, I wonder if it's a good idea to go there.

 

Then again if BOX went to Korea, I'd buy it in a heartbeat, so maybe I really don't know what the hell I'm talking about. :biggrin:

 

DCS did Korea like it did WWII.

 

I don’t know if anything else they’re planning to add to it, and I’d heard rumours that the new DCS map would be another European one too, from the DCS forum.

 

Even if ED do decide to pull out all the stops and go for a Korean theatre, BoX will probably get more done in less time, again; and be more coherent, so it doesn’t necessarily rule out ‘Battle of Korea’ as a BoX release. 

 

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I want to fly from a carrier.  

 

I'd prefer to fly in an F4F but I'm willing to give it a go in an F9F........or a Seafire:) 

 

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Posted (edited)

I think Rocket-man aka Kim Jong-Un have multiple accounts on this forum!

 

PTO all the way.....WW2 only!

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My impression is that many on here, including the developers, want the PTO next. However if lack of info prevents that, Korea would be a great runner up.

 

That's my preference in any event.

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5 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

I'm certainly no businessman, but with DCS already having done Korea-era aircraft, and very nicely done at that, and a map to come I think, I wonder if it's a good idea to go there.

 

My perception on this is that both games are so different in methodology and price ranges, that they really don't overlap. DCS has a Kurfurst and the Mustang too, and I never read anything on people having a hard time deciding on buying that or BoBp.

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1 hour ago, ST_ami7b5 said:

 

... and on the contrary, I will not buy any post-war (WW2) theaters ...

 

 

Your dollar and you may do with it as you please. :cool:

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4 minutes ago, Y29Silky said:

Italy has never been covered. 

And needs to be

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The invasion of Italy has never interested me.  I don't know why. If it's Italian aircraft in Western Europe, Africa or over Malta, I'm all in.  But for some reason I just skip right past anything after the invasion. 

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My fav, als already stated often would be Italy, or Zeke against Wildcat (Midway)

If we don't get those two for whatever reasons, i am all for going to Korea - but definitely not with the current 9,5km visibility bubble. With aircraft breaking almost the sound barrier, 9,5km would be ridiculous. The sometimes stated upgrade to 14km wouldn't be enough as well. 20km has to be the target for a jet scenario. If they can't achieve that, Korea would be a waste. I also feel the 4-mots are needed in Korea (more so then in BoBp), they were the main targets of the Mig-15s in the beginning. Without them it would kinda feel not complete. Another technology that's not there yet in BoX....

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Look at the PTO section. Not possinle to answer anyone and they deleted my question if it ever going to happen. 

I even offered my silence if they could be upfront and answer honestly. PTO is not going to happen in my opinion

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I'm certainly in the minority here, but I honestly wouldn't mind if they went back to the Eastern Front one last time after Bodenplatte. I think Leningrad from around August 1941 to March 1944 would be a good place to stop. It would be a nice long campaign for the career mode, a pretty decent map, and then the game could fill the last major gaps in the plane-set. Notably the I-153, Tu-2, Il-4, and Il-2M among others. Not to mention the possibility of adding the Finns.

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Sorry to disagree, but I'd really find that a boring option. I'd struggle with any more Eastern Front right now - very unlikely to buy it. But going back to more of the same while scraping the last scraps of the Russian front 41-43 plane set......while there are so many other options to explore....!? No!

 

If any more Eastern Front then a 44-45 option is least worst imo. But I still wouldn't get inspired or excited by it.

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Eastern Front 44 to 45 from Southern Ukraine through Romania and Hungry and on into Germany would be interesting.

 

Storming up through Italy and Greece through the Balkans would be interesting too but more for Medium bombers and their support.

 

Midway is too short to be an add-on in it's own right but throw in Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands and maybe an expansion with the Battle of Coral Sea and you'd have some good Pacific content.

 

Manchuria would also be interesting when the Soviets turned their attention East.  Amazing what they were able to do in that region.

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What about the Battle of the Coral Sea?

It is smaller than Midway and maybe a first step in testing ...

 

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There were not so many vessels and the basic planes to start a Pacific path ...

 

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8 minutes ago, 15[Span.]/JG51Spartan said:

What about the Battle of the Coral Sea?

It is smaller than Midway and maybe a first step in testing ...

 

As long as Wildcats and Zeros are in, everything PTO should be fine.

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There’s nothing better than Zeke vs Wildcat.

 

That’s my jam.

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Wildcat and Zeke is a solid start and an early Pacific set doesn’t need much more than that to have a balanced set. 

 

Fighters: Zero vs Wildcat

Torpedo bomber: B5N vs  Devastator

Dive bomber: D3A vs Dauntless

 

Those six plus a carrier each would be enough initially, to get the ball rolling. And can cover a few different engagements. 

 

Enough of the Kuban map is water and we have a couple of ships already, so there’s somewhere to fly over and against while we’re waiting for a map and proper assets. 

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I would be interested to understand how carrier ops (landings/crashes on decks) would be controlled in MP to ensure that everybody got to do both!

This to me, perhaps might be one of the biggest draw-backs in carrier Ops for MP.

 

It is bad enough on some servers as it is like wacky races and that is on a large bit of real-estate!

 

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On 1/6/2019 at 10:33 AM, kendo said:

Sorry to disagree, but I'd really find that a boring option. I'd struggle with any more Eastern Front right now - very unlikely to buy it. But going back to more of the same while scraping the last scraps of the Russian front 41-43 plane set......while there are so many other options to explore....!? No!

 

If any more Eastern Front then a 44-45 option is least worst imo. But I still wouldn't get inspired or excited by it.

Everyone likes something different. I really like big developed front, it's not only about plane set but being able to do campaign in moscow, stalingrad, kuban then move to different places. It's quite nice. 

 

I would love to see Leningrad which can be few years long scenario (modders are currently working on Finland map that includes Leningrad), I would love to see all Kharkov battles, kursk, expanded Vielkie Luki, map that covers poland, hungary, romania and of course germany 1945. Being able to do career from 1941 up to 1945 day by day would be amazing. Especially combined with battle of france and england in clod. 

 

Kind of like in silent hunter 5 where you choose your road, after X time frame is over you can go to Africa or Russia then you choose for example north and end up in Leningrad or south and you are going for Stalingrad and Kuban.

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20 hours ago, blitze said:

Midway is too short to be an add-on in it's own right but throw in Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands and maybe an expansion with the Battle of Coral Sea and you'd have some good Pacific content.

 

I think that too, only the more prolonged localized engagements (guadacanal etc) lasted enough to fit the time frame of a full fledged expansion. Unless the new expansion is a sort of all-in carrier battles expansion - only one single famous engagement is probably too little.

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IMHO the priority should be in developing the torpedoes. They are essential in the Pacific and can be used in the Kuban map as well. I really miss the aeronaval warfare like in the old IL2 1946.

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13 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

There’s nothing better than Zeke vs Wildcat.

 

That’s my jam.

 

I think back in the day I got two years of solid fun out of that generic Pacific Islands map that came out around about the time of the AEP addon for Forgotten Battles.  Even just that or something like it would do very nicely for Z vs W until other stuff could be developed. 

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On 1/5/2019 at 2:11 PM, Pudu said:

And there is really nothing to do with those two aircraft in DCS, and no place to fly them that feels remotely sensible. 

Yup. But they did do a Normandy 1944 map. Which probably says something about their view on the marketability of WW2 vs that of Korea.

 

 

On 1/5/2019 at 7:14 PM, danielprates said:

DCS has a Kurfurst and the Mustang too, and I never read anything on people having a hard time deciding on buying that or BoBp.

I did have a hard time deciding between BoS and the DCS Dora. I ended up buying both, but that's a different story... 😄

 

But I will say that I view DCS as a completely different beast. I see it more as a flying, interactive, virtual museum. Most of the time I just sit in the Dora, admire the cockpit and just do a start-up, taxi, take-off and landing.

 

S.

 

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I wonder if there was any trepidation about putting a DCS Korea, with it's associated mishmash of unrelated units up against the BMS coherent theatre and industry leading campaign. DCS has, what,  three time appropriate  vehicles for the Korean War (not counting generic trucks)? 

 

I would bet that Normandy was done to try to maintain some market share against BoX (CloD was the only proper western European competition at  the time?). But done badly in my opinion - Asset Pack? 🙄   Their biggest problem for making theatres of operation is that the aircraft are spread out across the last 80 years, and the ground vehicles all belong in modern eastern Europe. 

 

But BoX doesn't have this limitation. It tries to recreate all aspects of the operations it covers. I'm glad DCS didn't do Korea because if it turned out like NTTR, it would have been a missed opportunity. And I'm sure ED probably feels the same way. I'm unconvinced that the Korean War isn't marketable - especially compared to such areas as modern day Georgia and Nevada. 

 

BoKP (Korean Peninsula) or BoH (Hanbando) would be the Korea Air War that I covet. Plus, if we have carrier operations for BoP, Korea becomes a natural evolution of that. (Or vice versa, if BoP isn't immediately doable.)

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12 minutes ago, Pudu said:

I wonder if there was any trepidation about putting a DCS Korea, with it's associated mishmash of unrelated units up against the BMS coherent theatre and industry leading campaign.

 

Was BMS a modern what-if Korean campaign?  I could never find any sign of 1950's era aircraft when I had it installed.

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On 1/5/2019 at 11:12 AM, ST_ami7b5 said:

 

... and on the contrary, I will not buy any post-war (WW2) theaters ...

 

I'm not sure if I wouldn't buy it, but I certainly would be a lot less enthousiastic about it. It just does not grip me in any way like WW2 warbirds do.

 

And there's still so much more left to cover in WW2. PTO. MTO, BoB, BoF, Overlord, Bagration, you name it. Any of these would likely draw more interest than Korea IMO, not only personally but overall. WW2 is just a much more popular topic than Korea. 

4 hours ago, 15[Span.]/JG51Spartan said:

IMHO the priority should be in developing the torpedoes. They are essential in the Pacific and can be used in the Kuban map as well. I really miss the aeronaval warfare like in the old IL2 1946.

 

Plus it'd be easy to create the american ones! You don't even need to bother making them explode! :)

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