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The P38 takes more resources to create. Hs-129 is a collectors plane, not exactly the best plane out there.

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Seriously lighten up a bit Juri. My hope is to someday have an Ardennes map that is useful, the locations of airfields and terrain don't make it the best for a flight-sim. Lucky we'll have some tanks. :-)

 

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After looking at the locations of Luftwaffe bases, I understand the decision not to include the Ardennes.

 

Just some thoughts/suggestions from me as a mission builder - For mission building purposes it would be good to have an area on the map were ground combat took place during the time frame of the title, because this would allow a greater variety of historical mission types. If the map area is too far north of the Ardennes, it might be a good idea to broaden the time frame a little into September-November 1944 and also create an additional autumn version of the map. During this time some interesting ground operations took place in the area in question, for example the battle of Aachen (September/October 1944) or the Scheldt estuary campaign (October/November 1944). If the map is large enough, even parts of Operation Market Garden might be possible.

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great news, except this  B-25 (AI)

 

So basically you are creating a fighter plane only package, leaving all us bomber pilots completely out of the picture.  We need flyable B-25 and B-17 if you are making this a serious western front package.

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BoB is "Battle of Britain" so BOBP should work (pronounced Bob pee), later called peeing Bob!

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BoB is "Battle of Britain" so BOBP should work (pronounced Bob pee), later called peeing Bob!

BoBo  :P

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What P-47 will we get? Hope for a D30 but I'll take any Jug. Also, will the map be set in winter only or ill it have multiple seasons?

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What P-47 will we get? Hope for a D30 but I'll take any Jug. Also, will the map be set in winter only or ill it have multiple seasons?

Even though its use was limited to the 56thFG, I would pay extra to get a P-47M in the game. At 470+ mph, it would be a hot rod to bargain with.

 

Thinking too about the AI flown B-25, even though I love the plane and what it did in the Pacific in many varied roles, I'd prefer the Mosquito as a flyable. Again, I'd pay extra for that. An iconic A/C I've loved flying in EAW and the original IL2, it would be a perfect compliment to the time frame the new sim will be set in.

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Very interesting announcement, particularly with the planeset selection as there will be inevitable comparisons between IL-2 and DCS. With this planeset though waiting for PTO is fine, and add another +1 for the Mosquito from. I'm just very glad to be able to fly more Western aircraft in the IL-2 engine.

 

I'm not worried about the B-25 being AI only, those of us coming from RoF know how aircraft labeled as AI-only turned out :P

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I'm wondering about the lack of twin engine planes bombers/groundpounders/heavy fighters for Bodenplatte. 

In late 1944-early 1945, germans had jet Zerstorer - twin-engine heavy fighter - Me262.

First fighter unit, wich got Me262, was Erpr.Kdo Thierfelder. It consisted of 8./ZG26 pilot, under command of III./ZG26 commander - Hptm. Thierfelder (RK, 25 abschusse with Bf110 from 1940 to 1944).

 

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great news, except this  B-25 (AI)

 

So basically you are creating a fighter plane only package, leaving all us bomber pilots completely out of the picture.  We need flyable B-25 and B-17 if you are making this a serious western front package.

 

It's not a Western Front package, it's a single operation in a specific area. B17s are not viable with current map sizes.

 

I bet the B25 will be flyable at some point, but it takes a lot of resources to develop the multiple internal stations so that will be developed later.

 

Also, it isn't fighter only - many of those are fighter-bomber capable and a lot of operations in that area utilized those configurations.

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I am all in on whatever 777 comes up with, but honestly I'm most excited about what is coming soon ( very soon I hope) the A-20 & the P-39 et al and a credible set of missions, scripted campaigns & campaign to be applied to the Kuban map.I'll patiently wait for the resy while enjoying what I've got. :salute:

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great news, except this  B-25 (AI)

 

So basically you are creating a fighter plane only package, leaving all us bomber pilots completely out of the picture.  We need flyable B-25 and B-17 if you are making this a serious western front package.

This is something I'm concerned about, the realisation sunk in after I got over the initial euphoria of Western aircraft in a theatre that's not the Eastern Front.

I understand that it takes time to create the larger aircraft, but with a plane set that is almost entirely single-engined fighters, this seems like a step back in terms of variety and ambition.

Just because some fighters can carry bombs doesn't make them bombers.

I'm optimistic that we'll see a flyable B-25 sooner or later and I get that the plan is to release a full set as soon as is reasonably possible for a whole host of reasons, but I would have hoped to have seen some multi-engined types for interdiction/strike and level bombing in from day one.

As it is I can content myself with close air support with the Tempest but that's nowhere near the same ball game, even if the Tempest is a lovely aircraft.

 

  

Would like to suggest the addition of the A-20G to the allied plane set then.  Thanks !

 

 

This would be a good and creative solution. Could it be done via a mod choice to the existing A-20B, rather than needing to be a separate aircraft altogether?

As far as I'm aware the differences are the solid nose bristling with Brownings and the mid-upper turret, are there any other differences in terms of engines or loadouts? If not, it could be added in the same way that mods allow us to choose between a series 87 and series 110 Peshka.

 

 

Even though its use was limited to the 56thFG, I would pay extra to get a P-47M in the game. At 470+ mph, it would be a hot rod to bargain with.

 

Thinking too about the AI flown B-25, even though I love the plane and what it did in the Pacific in many varied roles, I'd prefer the Mosquito as a flyable. Again, I'd pay extra for that. An iconic A/C I've loved flying in EAW and the original IL2, it would be a perfect compliment to the time frame the new sim will be set in.

Heavily seconded, I would love to see a Mosquito in the sim, flyable and to the standards and high fidelity that this sim has been notable for this whole time. No lessons learned on the Peshka would be wasted... near uncatchable, fast, agile, with an excellent pedigree and beautiful to look at into the bargain.

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Just ordered the new map and planes. Thanks 1CGS / 777 for what you've built and what you will build. Fantastic!   :salute:

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I have some words now!

 

First of all, massive props to Jason and Han for the coordination and planning undertaken. This development team is a masterclass in getting the best results of whatever resources available. I'll drink to you today!

 

On the announcements:

 

Bodenplatte is an excellent choice to bring a different type of combat in. While the earlier tactical air war relied mostly on fighters establishing local air superiority for dedicated, slower bombers to drop their ordinance, the Western Allied advance did not allow for such comfortable execution. With the front moving quickly, airbases becoming more and more primitive, and fighter performance constantly growing, whoever could land in the airstrips available and fly a few missions without dying would win. From a tactical standpoint, this is the beginning of a strike doctrine which lasted for decades: when there are too many fighters and too many AA guns to take out, slow level bombing and stationary close air support become secondary, while interdiction enters the scene. Load whatever ordinance you can, fly in fast, drop your load in one pass and fly straight out - all aircraft in this expansion are capable of performing these missions. Some are better, some are worse, but in all of them there is a charm and adrenaline in piercing a wall of fighters and AAA at hair-raising speeds to drop death from above at a target. Clostermann's The Big Show has a very earnest account of these missions as part of 2TAF, and for those interested in a hands-on experience go ahead and download the Storm Clouds campaign for 1946. It is beyond great.

 

My advice to the bomber pilots being left out is to look at it from a different perspective: the fighters became heavier and the bombers became lighter, and they're both the same aircraft. Start learning ripple bomb delivery at low altitude and low dive angles, at the speeds you'll be going any timing mistake gets your drop twice as far from target.

 

The first volume of Flying Circus is great: Rise of Flight veterans have been begging for the Great War to be ported into the new engine, and finally after some patience it has happened! I am no biplane-without-a-parachute nut but it's surely a great addition that will greatly expand the reach of the Il-2 franchise. It will also be stupidly fun, so what's there not to love?

 

As a lover of Soviet history however it is Tank Crew that had me! With all the great assets we have, ranging from the pre-war I-16 to the fantastic 1943 La-5FN, all that was missing was a living and breathing ground environment to use it with, and a map plus campaign depicting the hard battles which raged near Prokhorovka and Belgorod as part of the push westwards to free the Soviet Union and finally the rest of Europe from Nazism. The range of improvements applicable to the whole franchise which come from this is beyond my imagination, and the ground war aspect combined with the upcoming Air Marshall system will make online action much more dynamic. This is definitely my favourite bit from this newsletter!

 

Finally, seeing some pictures of the U-2 nearing completion is heartwarming! I can't wait to fly this workhorse (and hopefully the Li-2 once the time comes) when it's out.

 

Huge thanks to everyone involved in this, it's been great and it keeps getting better by the day! :)

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People that bring up bombers keep asking for the B17. Am I the only one who prefers the B24 Liberator?

 

I like the thick look, just like the P-47.

 

Also like my women like that  :P

 

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People that bring up bombers keep asking for the B17. Am I the only one who prefers the B24 Liberator?

 

I like the thick look, just like the P-47.

 

Also like my women like that :P

 

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The B-24s deserve more love :)

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I dont care if its B24 or B17 (but I agree that B24 is nicer), but I hope that AI controlled 4 engine bomber will come oneday.

I was somewhat surprised that to shotdown B24 was easier that shotdown B17 according to Willi Reschke´s book.

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To get in the mood, look how close to the ground they flew!

 

 

 

See that plane exploding at 1:45. :blink:

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I am pretty bummed about the lack of level bombers, to be honest. However, I am giddy over the idea of flying the ME262 in this sim! I wouldn't have dared dream for that before yesterday's announcement. I also look forward to seeing where they go with tanks

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That sure was unexpected, hope you guys can manage all that, will sure as hell be interesting watching it come together. :o:

 

 

Something for everyone there I think, enough types to create much more interest the world over, the Mustang, Thunderbolt and Lightning are universally adored so will hopefully bring folks in that did not like the plan so far.

 

The  W.W.I scene gets a makeover finally, it will be interesting to see if all those who said they would pay for a R.O.F updated to modern standards of fidelity actually do so.

 

Tanks, well why not, the current set shows what is possible and if these are available through each of the games it adds further content for mission builders to expand on their campaigns and add even more possibilities as the S.P. side improves.

 

Like R.O.F and the starter it provided this game has been missing something to give players a chance to see what this does on their system without actually having to purchase anything, that has to be applauded, good move I think there.

 

 

Love the Po-2, hope that and the Li-2 come through okay, those and  aircraft like the Ju-52 give the game a much broader scope and are more interesting for those like me who actually enjoy flying that sort of thing, gone are the days were all I liked were fighters, sadly I very rarely take to the skies any more but sight seeing in those will be good. :cool:

 

 

Transport flights through Belgium, Holland and Germany seems good to me, maybe you guys can add a passenger configuration to those types.

 

 

Good luck with this endeavour guys, should be fun. :salute:

 

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. :biggrin:

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People that bring up bombers keep asking for the B17. Am I the only one who prefers the B24 Liberator?

 

I like the thick look, just like the P-47.

 

Also like my women like that  :P

 

B-24D%27s_fly_over_Polesti_during_World_

That is a beautiful picture, and example of the level of destruction the heavies were known for.

To get in the mood, look how close to the ground they flew!

 

We need more violent explosion of Luftwaffe fighters in  game. Close to the ground and very fast, should be fun.

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Can someone link me to the reply within this thread where owners of the original RoF can see where that version stands regarding the Circus upgrade?

thanks,

Flyby out

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People that bring up bombers keep asking for the B17. Am I the only one who prefers the B24 Liberator?

 

I like the thick look, just like the P-47.

 

Also like my women like that  :P

 

B-24D%27s_fly_over_Polesti_during_World_

Your not the only one. I prefer the Lib over any other heavy.

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Didn't most German bomber pilots end up in FW190 units by this period of the war in the west, if they weren't already dead?

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This is amazing. I so want the FW 190 A8 with MW50 system! FW190 A8, the most common of any Focke Wulf, with over 6500 units built!

 

Also, we will get the "Sturmbock" version, which was over a the 1000 units of A8! For example, 2x MG131, 2x MG151 20E, and 2x MG108 with 55 rounds each in the wingroots. That's the R2 version. 

 

Or the real Sturmbock, R8: Additional plates at the side for the pilot, armored 30mm glass to the side, armored glass to the front-side windows as well, 2x MG131 removed for less weight, 2x MG151 20E in wing roots, 2x MK108 55-rounds per gun in each wing.

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Can fly on TAW with that and survive, survive, survive, survive...  :fly:

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That is a beautiful picture, and example of the level of destruction the heavies were known for.

We need more violent explosion of Luftwaffe fighters in  game. Close to the ground and very fast, should be fun.

I hope the ground collision and crash effect gets tweaked at some point. There still seems to be the impact and then explosion when the plane dives straight into the ground. I'd like to see the cartwheeling too when a plane digs in a wingtip.

 

Critical Past should be ashamed trying to sell some of the film clips they do. I've watched a lot of their stuff elsewhere at just a good of quality, either purchased or on TV/Youtube.

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Can someone link me to the reply within this thread where owners of the original RoF can see where that version stands regarding the Circus upgrade?

thanks,

Flyby out

 

Move your cursor over Jason's name above his avatar...when the box appears click on Find Content...then when that page opens up, check Only Posts and you'll find Jason's answer in there somewhere. Not trying to be snarky, simply trying to help you find stuff on you own.

 

Edit: The post I'm thinking of is currently the third post down from the top...post #533808

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It would be supremely useful if they just included a little snippet of England (East Anglia) in the map. With a later 8th Air Force expansion it would be possible to perform real raids on proper continental targets (escort missions, etc).  

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MC202 that late in the war were flying for the allies, will they be able to fly against the germans in BoBp? (or on both sides?)

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Holy crap. You basically added not a single plane I wouldn't want to fly in this update.

 

(Shut up and take my money!)

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I like how the Developers/our Producer was into finding the most attractively identifying setting for the potentially biggest audience, without excluding Europeans - very good move. I'm looking forward to Operation Bodenplatte!


 


 


Regarding aircraft choices and similar Bf109s: The Bf 109 G-14 is very much a G-6 - only slightly bigger rudder and elevator, as well as standardized MW-50 boost for engine. That said, it's really a very similar aircraft.


 


I would love to see the Macchi MC.205 replace the Bf109 G-14. 


 


The frame is very similar to the Macchi 202, like the G-14 is to the G-6. Not much modeling work involved! The 205 is like a powerful Macchi 202 with 1475PS for up to 5 minutes at sealevel (!), with 2x 12,7mm Bredas, and 2x 20mm MG151/20 in the wings. It can carry 2x 160kg bombs beneath the wings as well.


 


 


 


My wallet is $99 USD lighter now - I got La-5FN and G-6 as well. Marsh marsh v perod, developers!  :salute:


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I like how the Developers/our Producer was into finding the most attractively identifying setting for the potentially biggest audience, without excluding Europeans - very good move. I'm looking forward to Operation Bodenplatte!

 

 

Regarding aircraft choices and similar Bf109s: The Bf 109 G-14 is very much a G-6 - only slightly bigger rudder and elevator, as well as standardized MW-50 boost for engine. That said, it's really a very similar aircraft.

 

I would love to see the Macchi MC.205 replace the Bf109 G-14. 

 

The frame is very similar to the Macchi 202, like the G-14 is to the G-6. Not much modeling work involved! The 205 is like a powerful Macchi 202 with 1475PS for up to 5 minutes at sealevel (!), with 2x 12,7mm Bredas, and 2x 20mm MG151/20 in the wings. It can carry 2x 160kg bombs beneath the wings as well.

 

 

 

My wallet is $99 USD lighter now - I got La-5FN and G-6 as well. Marsh marsh v perod, developers!  :salute:

 

 

I'm reasonably sure no C.205 was anywhere close to where Bodenplatte went down. Pun intended.

 

I mean, sure, I get how the G-14 is probably going to be a bit redundant when you can also just fly a K-4 running higher boost on a cleaner airframe, but at least it was actually used during the operation.

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Oh my God, Fc and BoBo...in future need more free time to fly all these goodies.

A stupid question... why don't insert B17 or B 24 ?

Maybe they require a lot of work to build up in the sim?

But it s ok what we are going to have..

Txs Devs !!

You are the best

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Bobo is silly, or dumb, in Portuguese :(

As was the actual operation!

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