Tactical Air War

[FTC_Prancing]

Is there an AI accuracy level or "difficulty" that control the gunner accuracy?

[LLv24_Zami]

16 minutes ago, Prancingkiller2 said:

Is there an AI accuracy level or "difficulty" that control the gunner accuracy?

Yes there is.

[FTC_Prancing]

And what settings do we have on TAW now?

[LLv24_Zami]

6 minutes ago, Prancingkiller2 said:

And what settings do we have on TAW now?

I don't know. Iirc there's ace, veteran, normal and rookie AI levels. WoL for example uses ace level, which is insane. I don't think TAW uses ace though. Normal level gunner is most realistic imo.

[FTC_Prancing]

so let's wait to see if anyone knows what level we have on TAW.. i have some suspect

[Cpt_Siddy]

3 minutes ago, Prancingkiller2 said:

so let's wait to see if anyone knows what level we have on TAW.. i have some suspect

 

Mostly novice, there is some RnG that let it be medium difficulty sometimes, but you have no way of knowing what skill level gunner you have at your back.

[FTC_Prancing]

that's written somewhere?

[7.GShAP/Silas]

2 hours ago, Ala13_UnopaUno_VR said:

 

 

 

a few more seconds and I fall asleep...

 

 

I love this taw because it has the necessary difficulty, the raid is prioritized, because if you fly you only eat shit.

 

 

Nice video editing.  Que chévere!

 

Edited November 29, 2019 by 7.GShAP/Silas

[Cpt_Siddy]

1 hour ago, Prancingkiller2 said:

that's written somewhere?

[E69_Zelar]

On 8/3/2019 at 8:08 PM, =LG=Kathon said:

All gunners are set the same:

25%/50%/25%/0% low/normal/high/ace

 

[FTC_Prancing]

"Mostly novice"

"medium difficulty sometimes"

 

you guys are pathetic, you dont even know what you're talking about and you reply

so i guess when you meet an high skill gunner you can't even get in turret arc of fire because that's the one i've seen that is going to hit everytime it's geometrically possible, nice.

So not only you have an automatic system behind you that will automatically spot any plane that is going to attack you, but you may also have the one with super aim that is going to kill him on the first shot if you're lucky enough, does that even fit into a PvP scenario? no, since you can have friendly fighters behind you just waiting for your Gunner Bot to start screaming and nobody even need to spot any bandit, you know that they are engaging. Use human gunners.

Edited November 29, 2019 by Prancingkiller2

[LLv24_Zami]

11 minutes ago, Prancingkiller2 said:

"Mostly novice"

"medium difficulty sometimes"

 

you guys are pathetic, you dont even know what you're talking about and you reply

so i guess when you meet an high skill gunner you can't even get in turret arc of fire because that's the one i've seen that is going to hit everytime it's geometrically possible, nice.

So not only you have an automatic system behind you that will automatically spot any plane that is going to attack you, but you may also have the one with super aim that is going to kill him on the first shot if you're lucky enough, does that even fit into a PvP scenario? no, since you can have friendly fighters behind you just waiting for your Gunner Bot to start screaming and nobody even need to spot any bandit, you know that they are engaging. Use human gunners.

Quit acting like a baby and take a look: 

 

[FTC_Prancing]

yes, so half medium and 25% high, doesnt looks the same as 

"Mostly novice" or 

"medium difficulty sometimes"

[HR_Tumu]

About  all the long debate about gunners.

Prancingkiller i agree with u and many pilots , attack to bombers is a very risky task . Not easy.  I think your main problem is focus this problem on Pe2 . For me, AI gunnery is insane for all gunners, and all fighters suffer a great risk. I assure you, when you fly on red side u will suffer the same problems.

 

I read some post ago, something relationship to TAW improvements. For me, TAW is allways heding to better experience.

 

Now , with the announcement of BoNormandy , u can see some IA objects very interstings.... V-1 , C47 and B26 .... some of them , maybe some day becomes flyable i hope. But on meantime.... how we can profit this toys for TAW???

I only can imagine... my knolowge about programing is 0 , but i hope on future, when Air Marshal was avaliable , maybe TAW can use it for order some IA functions like supplys ( C-47 , ju-52 ) raids ( IA bombers and flyable bombers controlled by IA ) , etc, etc.

The inclusion of IA missions under especific parameters, ordered by Marshall, i think will add a  very interesting options to TAW.

 

greetings all.

[FTC_Prancing]

I agree, i fly mostly Red and i fly Pe-2, since we dont see many blue bombers im talking about the Pe-2 but i refer to gunners in general, Pe-2 is just very common, to fight against as blue and to fly with as Red, im enjoying TAW a lot that's why im spending time on the forum to report things that would improve the experience for most part of us, if i wasnt interested or i was the only one with that gunner's opinion, i wouldnt be here

Edited November 29, 2019 by Prancingkiller2

[Carl_infar]

I advise all copmlaining about the gunners to swich to that position themselves. Than see how easy is to hit a fighter coming from dead six or high six. You just point the gun more or less in the path and let it rip.

So many people say that they come from the sides and other bullshit but in 90percen cases that i've seen on all Taws they just come from high 6 and continue till they pass the bombers...

 

After, some of those people instead of improving their skills just come and whine on forums...

Check the video's of expirienced flyjers like Sheriff who for example on one of the previous Taws didnt loose even 1 plane to gunners (when the gunners were set to higher skills level than are now) while shooting down tons of pe2s

 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2019 by Carl_infar

[FTC_Prancing]

4 minutes ago, Carl_infar said:

I advise all copmlaining about the gunners to swich to that position themselves. I for example in most and see how easy is to hit a fighter coming from dead six or high six. You just point the gun more or less in the path and let it rip.

So many people say that they come from the sides and other bullshit but in 90percen cases that i've seen on all Taws they just come from high 6 and continue till they pass the bombers...

 

After, some of those people instead of improving their skills just come and whine on forums...

Check the video's of expirienced flyjers like Sheriff who for example on one of the previous Taws didnt loose even 1 plane to gunners (when the gunners were set to higher skills level than are now) while shooting down tons of pe2s

 

 

 

i feel like i need to post that again, diving from high to low with that angle and you can imagine the crossing speed from left to right

 

and another huge advantage of the AI gunner is the automatic spotting by the way

Edited November 29, 2019 by Prancingkiller2

[Carl_infar]

Still a more or less straight line while passing close to the bomber i guess...

 

And why shouldnt the gunners spot, are thay a baggage?

 

Anyway if You would put so much effort in training and looking for correct tactic, than You are putting in forum whining , You would be fare better off.

[Chivas_Regal]

Don't waste your time hanging out with this crazy dude who fights against AI.

He can't defeat gunners on the server, so he decided to try to beat them on the forum )

Edited November 29, 2019 by =2ndSS=Lawyer1

[Pict]

Anyone "reporting a problem" is required to provide a track to be analysed or face the ignore user button.

 

Spoiler

 

Easy & effective solution as long as everyone stops quoting him he will effectively disappear. Hockey puck is on his half of the ice  

Edited November 29, 2019 by Pict

[FTC_Prancing]

it's not a straight line if you look from his point of view, lol 

not even replying to Lawver anymore since it's just like talking to a problematic kid.. and im not here to waste time with kids.. 

yeah your gunner should definitely be able to see through things and spot everything, even fighters diving from the sun, sure dude.

i provided an ACMI file and a pic for example, but if you're replying with useless shit yeah, better to ignore and not reply

 

 

Edited November 29, 2019 by Prancingkiller2

[Pict]

55 minutes ago, Carl_infar said:

So many people say that they come from the sides and other bullshit but in 90percen cases that i've seen on all Taws they just come from high 6 and continue till they pass the bombers...

 

Very true, simply because they lack the patience required to get it right.  My grandfather was a WWI pilot, Royal Flying Corps. Two of his favorite phrases were. "It's easy when you know how" and "practice makes perfect".

 

The knowledge is freely available as is the ability to practice it, so it's a lack of something else. I say patience, but that can easily be translated as laziness or just having been spoiled as a child. Only thing I can tolerate less than a spoiled child, is a spoiled adult.

[FTC_Prancing]

i've been in flight sim communities since long time enough to be able distinguish the guys that likes to fly easy with as few risks as possible (like flying only Pe-2 for many reasons..) and some of them are so scared if you remove some of their surreal protection which is the only thing that keep them flying that they would pretend to not see an OP gunner if they would shot down a fighter from 10 Km far. And you can easily distinguish them by the attachment that they keep on the things that allow them to "game the sim" such a high skilled AI gunner in a PvP scenario.  As told you, fly with human gunners, if it's that easy to shot down fighters with rear gun and you can easily spot fighter diving from everywhere from the back, what's the problem?

Edited November 29, 2019 by Prancingkiller2

[Pict]

14 minutes ago, Prancingkiller2 said:

i provided an ACMI file and a pic for example,

 

Track file that can play in game (no substitute) please, or I push "the button"  

[FTC_Prancing]

you think i care more about uploading big file from work because you can't download Tacview or that you will block me? honestly dude, i'm afraid i dont really care about you..

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Hmm Reds fighting each other over Pe2 gunners. All those telling Prancingkiller2 to train, may want to know that Prancingkiller2 has flown 41hrs as VVS. So... 

 

That said, may also add that it is true that very often Pe-2s are not even engaged and ignored by the well skilled LW pilots. In many situations they are indeed impossible to shoot down without losing your own life. Say 500+ kph shallow dive. I have seen them being ignored very often, so that beforementioned assumption is correct. Now...

 

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[Pict]

I don't need or want a 3rd party software. You need to prove your allegations about the flight model with a "game track record", those are the rules (18)

 

Spoiler

 

11 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

So... 

 

So what? Since when did quantity mean quality?

Edited November 29, 2019 by Pict

[FTC_Prancing]

Sadly, that's the difference between casual players that would abuse OP things as much as they can, fighting to keep their OP things running and feeling good gaming their sim, and players that care about the  serious simulation side of the thing that if they fly the Pe-2 and see fighters not engaging scared of gunners, they see that it's wrong and they report trying to get things fixed, yes it's that sad as it looks.

Edited November 29, 2019 by Prancingkiller2

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

6 minutes ago, Pict said:

So what? When did quantity ever equal quality?

 

"Quantity has a quality all of it's own." - Joseph Stalin.  

 

29 minutes ago, Prancingkiller2 said:

you think i care more about uploading big file from work....

 

This forum fight has been going on for nearly 3 days with regular posting, nearly hourly, at all hours of the day, from all involved.  Unless you have a job as a Meth tester for a street gang, I doubt you actually have a job.  

[FTC_Prancing]

1 minute ago, Mobile_BBQ said:

 

"Quantity has a quality all of it's own." - Joseph Stalin.  

 

 

This forum fight has been going on for nearly 3 days with regular posting, nearly hourly, at all hours of the day, from all involved.  Unless you have a job as a Meth tester for a street gang, I doubt you ac

Won't reply to stupid post, that should be moderated out

[=BES=Senor_Jefe]

19 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Hmm Reds fighting each other over Pe2 gunners. All those telling Prancingkiller2 to train, may want to know that Prancingkiller2 has flown 41hrs as VVS. So... 

 

That said, may also add that it is true that very often Pe-2s are not even engaged and ignored by the well skilled LW pilots. In many situations they are indeed impossible to shoot down without losing your own life. Say 500+ kph shallow dive. I have seen them being ignored very often, so that beforementioned assumption is correct. Now...

 

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I only go after them if I know their rear gunner is out of ammo.  So, mostly ignore them.  I'm not skilled at shooting them down, and I have only an hour every few days to play, so I'm surely not going to practice instead of play. I have to accept that if I go in a straight line at any angle near a bomber, I'm dead.

 

The gunnery is pretty hilarious a lot of times and I don't see it changing anytime soon, so it is what it is.

 

What gets me annoyed is the auto-spotting every bomber with a crew gets.  Even when a fighter is above clouds you get a notification.... talk about "gamey".  It's the same reason MP is so important to a lot of people, because SP you can't play any tricks on AI.

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

5 minutes ago, Prancingkiller2 said:

Won't reply to stupid post, that should be moderated out

 

But....  the Stalin quote is historical.

[Cpt_Siddy]

27 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

 

 

That said, may also add that it is true that very often Pe-2s are not even engaged and ignored by the well skilled LW pilots.

 

Remember on the first map when half SCG, inducing you hanged on my 6 for like 10km?  

 

[FTC_Prancing]

Auto-spot, just another huge feature AI gunner will provide

Edited November 29, 2019 by Prancingkiller2

[Pict]

11 minutes ago, Mobile_BBQ said:

nearly 3 days

 

Since when did years decades become days? 

Edited November 29, 2019 by Pict

[SCG_Faerber]

lol this forum is just so fun, pe2 pilots defending their gunners to the last, even adding players to the ignore list holy shit can't make this up

[FTC_Prancing]

Not all Pe-2 pilots, there are honest Pe-2 pilots aswell..

[Cathaoir]

Enough PrancingTroll....

[Pict]

36 minutes ago, SCG_Faerber said:

lol this forum is just so fun, pe2 pilots defending their gunners to the last, even adding players to the ignore list holy shit can't make this up

 

You can make it up, as you obviously just did

 

I haven't added anyone to anything, I just wanted to see what it would take to get the guy to play by the rules and put up a game track, which he has yet to do after some 30 "reports" of a broken FM. Also, it's not "my gunners" it's the game code and if that's not worth defending, what around here is?

Edited November 29, 2019 by Pict

[FTC_Prancing]

Things can improve