Tactical Air War

[FTC_DerSheriff]

1 hour ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

It's been pretty rough for a while, not sure what's going on.  Balance recovered after the predictable dearth during the I16 vs. F-4 times and now it's gone again.

 

For some reason red started to be for the last 3-4 campaigns more suicidal. Or the blues got better, I dont know. But yesterday was pure butchery.
we brought 3 Fws to the tima airfield to cover the defences and ur ground attackers.
Combined we shot down ~13-15 Aircraft and we had no loss. The reds brought only some fighters and they were covering the Pe-2s and IL2s very loosely. We had no issues to blast through the formations and bag one kill after another.
It has to be said that with all those attacks the airfield was not defended and we lost it, but the red side lost 50 Aircraft and around 30 20 pilots for it. That is a hefty price.

Usually that wasn't that way in the past. I have no idea what happened. I only experienced similar things flying the other faction. But red was usually not that suicidal.

Edited October 14, 2018 by DerSheriff

[FTC_Riksen]

Cannot connect for the life of me

[Krau]

2 часа назад, DerSheriff сказал:

Combined we shot down ~13-15 Aircraft and we had no loss. The reds brought only some fighters and they were covering the Pe-2s and IL2s very loosely. We had no issues to blast through the formations and bag one kill after another.

 

The problem is that 80% of the red players do not have La5 or Yak1b for these missions. They should fly Lagg3 or Yak1 and for sure it is not so hard to kill a lot of them.

 

usual fight: 109f4 g2 g4 or 190 vs Lag3 or Yak1.

 

The Red team has P39, Spit 5 planes but 90% do not use them. It will be bettter (for red team) to use Mig3 all maps instead of Spit 5.

 

P.S: Current damage model is very strange. I never saw before that it is possible to attack 109 6 times with Yak1b and he landed.

Edited October 14, 2018 by Krauz

[AKA_Relent]

1 hour ago, DerSheriff said:

For some reason red started to be for the last 3-4 campaigns more suicidal. Or the blues got better, I dont know. But yesterday was pure butchery.
we brought 3 Fws to the tima airfield to cover the defences and ur ground attackers.
Combined we shot down ~13-15 Aircraft and we had no loss. The reds brought only some fighters and they were covering the Pe-2s and IL2s very loosely. We had no issues to blast through the formations and bag one kill after another.
It has to be said that with all those attacks the airfield was not defended and we lost it, but the red side lost 50 Aircraft and around 30 20 pilots for it. That is a hefty price.

Usually that wasn't that way in the past. I have no idea what happened. I only experienced similar things flying the other faction. But red was usually not that suicidal.

 

Mmmm, I can’t speak to the trends you’re mentioning over all, as I don’t fly TAW a huge amount, and when I do it’s usually US Pacific evening times.  But in regards to this suicidal behavior, I don’t think it’s by choice.  In my experience/observations the following are key components, and the side that has an advantage in more of these areas will likely win the battle:

 

- Relative balance of the opposing teams

- Relative teamwork of the opposing teams

- Relative performance of the opposing aircraft

- Relative lethality of the opposing aircraft

 

Balance is still an issue, if not overall, at certain chunks of time each day.  Sometimes I’ve seen even numbers where the server is full, sometimes I’ve seen 2-1 and 3-1 (or higher) odds - during those times of course, it may seem suicidal for the smaller team.

 

However,  if the smaller side has an advantage in some of the other areas mentioned above, it may not be so suicidal.  Fighters on the German side generally outperform those on the Russian side for most of this campaign.  The 109 especially the F4 (which is available for most of the maps) has superior climb (and in most cases, level and dive speed) to anything the Russians can field, until the later maps with the Spit V and La5.  Thus they can dictate the fight, and choose when to engage or disengage.  Those pilots flying Russian fighters don’t have that luxury, so they must fly defensively and try to disengage but are usually at the mercy of the attacking and better performing fighters - e.g. a suicidal situation.

 

Regarding teamwork, it’s a lot easier to have good teamwork when your wingmen are all flying better performing aircraft then the enemy and can dictate the fight.  Flying lesser performing aircraft (and often at a lower altitude then the enemy) forces each pilot to not only try to coordinate with their wingmen, but also be constantly defensive while looking up and behind them to be able to break quickly if they get bounced.  It’s easy to lose track of wingmen in this environment.  If the side with lesser performing aircraft have higher relative team numbers than the enemy, it can help with the teamwork just because there are more friendlies around than the enemy, and there’s a higher chance someone will spot an enemy plane and call it out.

 

With the introduction of the Fw-190A3 and later the A5, the lethality of the German fighters becomes a major factor.  Where it might take a 109 (without gunpods) a few passes to get a lethal hit on an opposing fighter or bomber, often times a 190 (esp with 4x20mm loaded) can get a critical hit with one pass.  The 190A3/5 has a lot of rounds for the inner 20mm so they can fire longer bursts at each pass.

 

I’m talking generalities, so I’m sure some may point out some specific instances where they’ll state I’m wrong with respect to relative performance of specific versions of opposing fighters, etc.  However,  I’m mainly looking at the individual maps as they are rolled out, and the changes in front line fighters that become available and oppose each other, and my experiences and observations with respect to their relative performance.

 

For what it’s worth...

 

[StG77_Kondor]

The map of Kuban that we get in game when hitting "O" is different than the one we get with Mission Planner or the IL2 map tool. TAW uses the map in both these tools, however there are differences in roads, railroads, etc. Is this going to be updated for the next campaign Kathon?
 

[-332FG-Zombie-]

Reds just don't have too many options if they don't own the premiums. Also not being able to disable premiums we don't own kind of stinks. 

 

i'd love to see the server reserve half the server slots for each team. Every Sunday it is impossible to get on in US Prime because the server has 15-20 pilot advantage on Blue

[FTC_DerSheriff]

1 hour ago, AKA_Relent said:

 

Mmmm, I can’t speak to the trends you’re mentioning over all, as I don’t fly TAW a huge amount, and when I do it’s usually US Pacific evening times.  But in regards to this suicidal behavior, I don’t think it’s by choice.  In my experience/observations the following are key components, and the side that has an advantage in more of these areas will likely win the battle:

 

- Relative balance of the opposing teams

- Relative teamwork of the opposing teams

- Relative performance of the opposing aircraft

- Relative lethality of the opposing aircraft

 

This is all true, but 1-2 years a go 20 reds would hand the germans their asses on silver plating in the same aircraft.

It think that the average joe got better and that the performance advantages of the blues are finally more worth it.

[AKA_Relent]

1 minute ago, DerSheriff said:

This is all true, but 1-2 years a go 20 reds would hand the germans their asses on silver plating in the same aircraft.

It think that the average joe got better and that the performance advantages of the blues are finally more worth it.

 

On the latter point, I agree.  I’m not so sure on the former - if I recall the Red team won many of the maps due to attrition on the Blue side, even though Blue was in control of much of the territory.  Maybe it’s also due to more teamwork on the air-to-ground aspect with more covering, and more AAA decoying that is having a greater impact.  In any case, if that is true it just highlights even further your latter statement.

[SCG_Schneemann]

Please ban this guy. He immediately spawned in, took off, 15 seconds later friendly fire, immediate disconnect. Purposefully targeting friendlies.

 

[Lobstrosity]

3 hours ago, II./JG77_Zombie- said:

Reds just don't have too many options if they don't own the premiums. Also not being able to disable premiums we don't own kind of stinks. 

 

i'd love to see the server reserve half the server slots for each team. Every Sunday it is impossible to get on in US Prime because the server has 15-20 pilot advantage on Blue

 

 If you're not getting on because the opposing side has an advantage then your not doing anything to help the imbalance. If you sign up and don't play, which seems to be the Red MO, then I don't have much remorse.

 

 

Edited October 14, 2018 by Lobstrosity
Less Anger

[-332FG-Zombie-]

again...earlier the server was full with 50 axis and 30 allies... all i was trying to say was having reserved slots would make it at least possible to have the possibility of balanced teams when there are 1200+ registered axis and 900 allies. 

 

 

 

[FTC_Riksen]

I agree with Zombie. We need to limit the server to 40 Blue vs 44 Red. VVS should have a slight advantage with numbers as well as number of planes. It s fine to keep the models more historical but VVS pilots should have more numbers available to them. I believe this is the best way to keep things more balanced and to stimulate people to fly red ... just my 2 cents

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

3 hours ago, SCG_Schneemann said:

Please ban this guy. He immediately spawned in, took off, 15 seconds later friendly fire, immediate disconnect. Purposefully targeting friendlies.

 

By 15 seconds,  you mean 12 minutes right? 

[SCG_Schneemann]

Well, whatever... not sure on the time stamp thing. Basically he waited for someone to teamkill (against the rules), immediately disconnected. Permanent ban in my opinion. Look at his flight log... amateur hour. Pissed off as in my squadron it was a dead is dead mission, just to have some numbnut pull crap like that...

[Cpt_Siddy]

8 minutes ago, SCG_Schneemann said:

Well, whatever... not sure on the time stamp thing. Basically he waited for someone to teamkill (against the rules), immediately disconnected. Permanent ban in my opinion. Look at his flight log... amateur hour. Pissed off as in my squadron it was a dead is dead mission, just to have some numbnut pull crap like that...

 

 

Are you sure he did this on purpose? I sometimes mess up because in VR, 109 and Spit can look identical in some LoD configurations. 

 

Ofc i don't log off, instead i promptly apologies, but still...

[Krau]

One more question about BLACKRAM...

 

How is it possible that he has 190A3?

 

No CM...nothing.... Any explanations?

[Garven]

17 minutes ago, Krauz said:

One more question about BLACKRAM...

 

How is it possible that he has 190A3?

 

No CM...nothing.... Any explanations?

Pretty sure it is an available aircraft right off the bat on this map just like the Yak1b is.

[Krau]

2 минуты назад, Garven_Dreis сказал:

Pretty sure it is an available aircraft right off the bat on this map just like the Yak1b is.

 

I thought before that ONLY 2 first lines in the list are available from the start of the map.

 

P.S: I checked the stat of the red pilots. Yak1b is not available from the start.

Edited October 15, 2018 by Krauz

[Garven]

1 minute ago, Krauz said:

 

I thought before that ONLY 2 first lines in the list are available from the start of the map.

Example: https://taw.stg2.de/pilot.php?name=wandering_man

[Krau]

1 минуту назад, Garven_Dreis сказал:

Example: https://taw.stg2.de/pilot.php?name=wandering_man

 

 

Yes... all AXIS pilots have 190A3 in a hangar. They have 5 planes. The red pilots have only 4.

 

Nice to see....

[Garven]

6 minutes ago, Krauz said:

 

 

Yes... all AXIS pilots have 190A3 in a hangar. They have 5 planes. The red pilots have only 4.

 

Nice to see....

How the hell did I start out with a yak1b then?  Does rank have anything to do with it?  See others that started out with it.

Example: https://taw.stg2.de/pilot.php?name=Garven_Dreis

                  https://taw.stg2.de/pilot.php?name=72AGs_Obi

                  https://taw.stg2.de/pilot.php?name==19FAB=Battler

 

Edited October 15, 2018 by Garven_Dreis

[Krau]

I have no idea... Here is the list of the planes for the player with 0 hours.

[Krau]

First change that we need in the balance is to separate Ju52 for the special operations and for the cargo missions.

 

If you lose your Ju52, you should get it in the usual way (+3CM or more if your hangar is not full). That will reduce the number of these missions drastically.

 

Second change: the repair option for the airfields should use the number of the players for the calculation of the repair...

 

For example, it was 40: 30... Then the repair should be calculated as 40/30*n for the team that had 30 players in the prev. mission.

 

Third change: the damage level for the AF should use the number of the damaged/destroyed planes that started there (for the fighters). 

 

20 planes lost :  AF damaged 10%..20%  (20% is too much...10% seems not so bad)

Edited October 15, 2018 by Krauz

[FTC_DerSheriff]

The La-5 is 1/1 for the reds. I checked the planeset....

[Krau]

Does someone here talk about La5?

[Cpt_Siddy]

1 hour ago, Garven_Dreis said:

How the hell did I start out with a yak1b then?  Does rank have anything to do with it?  See others that started out with it.

 

 

If you have that plane from previous map, and that same plane is in current map but is not available by default, it will be transferred from previous map. 

[Leutnant_Artur]

Krauz here is planeset from manual. Next time go look at it...

2 hours ago, Krauz said:

One more question about BLACKRAM...

 

How is it possible that he has 190A3?

 

No CM...nothing.... Any explanations?

Edited October 15, 2018 by =LG=Leutnant_Artur

[Krau]

4 минуты назад, =LG=Leutnant_Artur сказал:

Krauz here is planeset from manual. Next time go look at it...

 

I see. ty.

[III/JG52_Al-Azraq]

Hi!

 

I am new playing this server and still confused about some things:

 

Yesterday I lost all my fighters and today I woke up with 2 new F4 available. I have read the manual in the web page and it says that you get +1 basic plane after each map in case you do not have any available, but as far as I know the map has not changed, only the mission.

 

Is the description in the web page correct? Did I get those planes because of another reason?

 

Thanks in advance!

[Rafcio]

1 hour ago, III/JG52_Al-Azraq said:

Hi!

 

I am new playing this server and still confused about some things:

 

Yesterday I lost all my fighters and today I woke up with 2 new F4 available. I have read the manual in the web page and it says that you get +1 basic plane after each map in case you do not have any available, but as far as I know the map has not changed, only the mission.

 

Is the description in the web page correct? Did I get those planes because of another reason?

 

Thanks in advance!

One of yours Bf-109 F4 was ditched. After few missions was return to service. You must to read manual.

Edited October 15, 2018 by RAFCIO

[HR_Tumu]

krauz

 

i think both sides start with 4 of 6 planes. ( fighters )  Another question can be what planes each team have... but this is another question.

 

[Krau]

46 минут назад, 666GIAP_Tumu сказал:

krauz

 

i think both sides start with 4 of 6 planes. ( fighters )  Another question can be what planes each team have... but this is another question.

 

Yes, they are...

 

I don't like to play by the next campaign only first 5..6 maps (after the score 5:x it is not interesting anymore).

That was the reason why I asked for some changes.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

8 hours ago, SCG_Schneemann said:

Well, whatever... not sure on the time stamp thing. Basically he waited for someone to teamkill (against the rules), immediately disconnected. Permanent ban in my opinion. Look at his flight log... amateur hour. Pissed off as in my squadron it was a dead is dead mission, just to have some numbnut pull crap like that...

 

I get that your pissed, I would be too... But to make the claim that he purposely team killed (and should be banned), rather than fked up and then disconnected due to embarrassment of shooting down a friendly is a stretch given the logs you have provided and the now conflicting story of events. 

 

The guy posts on the forums,  maybe he will post his side of the story. @blackram

[FTC_Riksen]

8 minutes ago, =EXPEND=Tripwire said:

 

I get that your pissed, I would be too... But to make the claim that he purposely team killed (and should be banned), rather than fked up and then disconnected due to embarrassment of shooting down a friendly is a stretch given the logs you have provided and the now conflicting story of events. 

 

The guy posts on the forums,  maybe he will post his side of the story. @blackram

 

If he did not do it intentionally he should have apologized in the game chat ... I dont see any remorse shown here (forum) or in game ... 

[=FSB=Man-Yac]

Looking at his stats he does not appear to be shooting down people on purpose, it was a mistake.His reaction however is terrible and he probably rage quit after realizing his mistake being frustrated. Or it could be internet issues, its not his first disco. 

[HR_Tumu]

https://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=69088&name=666GIAP_Tumu

 

Fantastic!!

 

 

[SCG_Schneemann]

Tripwire, I would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if it was in fact a mistake, but it wasn't. He watched us take off, he purposefully ran up behind us, and peppered me, in formation with three other 110's on climbout, passed me straight ahead after firing, then disconnected. Not an "accident".

 

Siddy, I fly in VR too, but a Bf110 formation that you just saw take off from your own airfield can't really be mistaken for PE2's.

 

Either way, I'm over it. I made it back to base, landed the plane, just didn't get to fly in that part of our squad night.

Edited October 15, 2018 by SCG_Schneemann

[Cpt_Siddy]

2 hours ago, SCG_Schneemann said:

 

 

Either way, I'm over it. I made it back to base, landed the plane, just didn't get to fly in that part of our squad night.

 

Shit happens, mate.

 

My best was when some program decided that it wanted all attention, in the middle of my dive, so i lost control of the game while sitting in VR and diving to my death screaming FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

 

[DD_Arthur]

48 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

My best was when some program decided that it wanted all attention, in the middle of my dive, so i lost control of the game while sitting in VR and diving to my death screaming FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

 

I am lol

[JG7_X-Man]

Question: Not whining because kills don't put food on the table LOL

Just wondering - I took off, several minutes later I was jumped by a La-5 and took some hits, managed to turn things around by diving away (...love the G-4). A few high yo-yo's later, I took out his engine on single lucky shot.

I few back just to find out - I didn't get the kill.

 

I am a tad confused - His engine seized during the fight  (I saw the prop stop spinning after my deflection shot, he was in a dive and I was in a climb).

According to the log: 02:23:53 I delivered the kill shot to the aircraft,  then he ditched at 02:24:31 about 1 minute and 30 sec later. However no kill was give to me. Even though I landed.

 

Should I not have been awarded the kill?

 

My guess is the categorization of "DITCH" is a little too liberal.  Once the tag "Destroyed" has been assigned to an object, the term "Ditch" should no longer be applicable. So this is a programming issue (...if I had to guess). Again - no big deal as this is a labor of love.

 

 

 

Note from the crash site - he is indeed b/w friendly and enemy territory. However, if I had to guess, that isn't the issue.

 

Edited October 16, 2018 by SCG_X-Man
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