DCS

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

Pfffttt to 250KPH hugging trees. Get yourself a BOMBCAT 

 

On our way to bomb an airfield with 12 dumb bombs each, hiding from SAMS on our approach, while a couple of other squad mates were flying Hornets doing SEAD ahead of us for the attack run.

 

Vid will be in 4K and better codec, whenever youtube finally gets around to finish processing it.....

 

 

 

I do enjoy when someone has a true attachment to an aircraft. It's like your first dog, a love that never leaves you. 

[BOO]

1 hour ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

Pfffttt to 250KPH hugging trees. Get yourself a BOMBCAT 

 

 

 

As much as I love the Tomcat there's only one way to deliver 12 dumb bombs and that's with 4 nozzles, one Pegasus engine and no-one bitchin from the cheap seats.

 

I find the F14 akin to driving a truck down low.

 

If it dont hover, dont bovver.

 

Edited January 20, 2021 by BOO

[DD_fruitbat]

11 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

I do enjoy when someone has a true attachment to an aircraft. It's like your first dog, a love that never leaves you. 

 

Lol, the F-16 is my favourite in DCS, but more people I fly with have the Tomcat and Hornet, so we're doing a campaign with them in!!!!

 

8 minutes ago, BOO said:

As much as I love the Tomcat there's only one way to deliver 12 dumb bombs and that's with 4 nozzles, one Pegasus engine and no-one bitchin from the cheap seats.

 

I find the F14 akin to driving a truck down low.

 

If it dont hover, dont bovver.

 

 

I must make more effort to learn the systems in the Harrier, have it and can fly it, but haven't done weapons on it yet.

 

Also, that was 150 miles each way, not sure I'd want to try that in a heavily laden harrier going treetop all the way..... Fuel might be an issue compared to the Bombcat!

Edited January 20, 2021 by DD_fruitbat

[AndyJWest]

To be honest, the F-16 seems a bit bland to me. And the absence of a canopy frame makes me feel like I'm flying the Fokker Eindecker from RoF.

[BOO]

8 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

I must make more effort to learn the systems in the Harrier, have it and can fly it, but haven't done weapons on it yet.

And therein lies the beauty. Pretty much all its teccy systems are nerfed to one degree or another, making dumb bombing the only truly enjoyable option. And that can be set up with (mostly) a few switches.

6 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

To be honest, the F-16 seems a bit bland to me. And the absence of a canopy frame makes me feel like I'm flying the Fokker Eindecker from RoF.

It has its charms but can feel a little sterile. The Mig, Harrier and Tomcat are the ones that feel most alive to me. And out of those its the harrier that wins my heart. 

[DD_fruitbat]

13 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

To be honest, the F-16 seems a bit bland to me. And the absence of a canopy frame makes me feel like I'm flying the Fokker Eindecker from RoF.

 

Horses for courses....

 

I love the design of the F-16, and for me personally I find it by far the most logical and straightforward workflow to do anything in, much more well thought out than say the Hornet where everything is just that little bit (sometimes more than a little bit) more complicated. But I like them all in different ways.

 

I also happen to think that the F-16 along with the MiG 29 are 2 of the most visually stunning looking jets ever made!

 

And that would be a very quick Eindecker...... I love the lack of canopy framing!

Edited January 20, 2021 by DD_fruitbat

[AndyJWest]

The F-16 is a looker, certainly. And you are probably right about workflow. As far as the Hornet goes, there always seems to be at least one more step to doing anything blowing-stuff-up wise than really ought to be necessary. 

 

@ Boo: Agree, the Harrier 'techy systems' seem buggy to the extent that trying to use them gets to be a chore for me. Hence me only using it with dumb bombs and rockets. Or occasionally for chasing unarmed civilian aircraft for a spot of Geneva-convention-busting. ?

[dburne]

16 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

Yay! Tomcat! Another plane to almost-half-learn to operate! I'll undoubtedly buy it at some point, but for now I've got too much to be going on with as it is. I think my best tactic may be to just learn the A-G systems in the Hornet, and the A-A systems in the F-16. And the not-crashing-in-flames techniques for the Harrier, along with minimal old-fashioned A-G weapons so I've got an excuse to fly it. The aircraft may be multifunctional, but my brain isn't... ?

 

As for the Blackshark, I had a love-hate relationship with it, mostly due to the weird autopilot. 

 

That is basically where I am now with the Hornet.

I have progressed through learning takeoffs and landings off the Super Carrier, navigating with waypoints, tacan, using ILCS for carrier traps.

Many hours I have put in just for this alone. Now I am trying to tackle learning how to use the weapons systems. This is a bump in the road that has already stalled me at least a couple of times, where I go to other games for a while. But I am intent on finally being able to fly combat in the Hornet - hopefully I can get there at some point this year.

 

Too many sims and games, too little time.

[Lusekofte]

I take pride in learning all things in a plane I fly. This is why I threw all that away in any fixed wing module in DCS.  It takes a long time learning sand even longer to make it stick. 

I only achieved my ambitions in the KA 50, Mi 8 and Huey, sort of in the Gazelle rest is just joyrides

[Archie]

Hope the Mossie is released soon, because I've totally lost my flight sim mojo. Hoping zipping around at low level in that thing will get it back.

[BOO]

23 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I take pride in learning all things in a plane I fly. This is why I threw all that away in any fixed wing module in DCS.  It takes a long time learning sand even longer to make it stick. 

I only achieved my ambitions in the KA 50, Mi 8 and Huey, sort of in the Gazelle rest is just joyrides

Id love to have that kinda discipline. This mornng Ive noodled the F14, Harrier, KA50, Mi 8 and Hornet. All badly. Perhaps MP would help me focus on something but......its MP. 

 

[Bremspropeller]

Flying as a two-ship is lots of fun.

Having two Tomcats with four people is really, really great.

 

Working on the RIO-part...

 

The caucasian mountain range is shrouded in heavy overcast today. better not get too excited about getting too low...

 

Mt. Elbrus peeking through the clouds in the distance...

[busdriver]

On 1/20/2021 at 3:22 PM, AndyJWest said:

To be honest, the F-16 seems a bit bland to me. And the absence of a canopy frame makes me feel like I'm flying the Fokker Eindecker from RoF.

 

We called it "the magic carpet ride." The wind noise sounds the same on approach or going Mach...kinda sorta. Compared to the Phantom where the cockpit got ungodly LOUD in AB the faster you were...at 600+ KIAS if the other guy didn't have his intercom volume turned all the way up (or nearly so) you had to yell into your mask to be heard.

[RedKestrel]

1 hour ago, busdriver said:

 

We called it "the magic carpet ride." The wind noise sounds the same on approach or going Mach...kinda sorta. Compared to the Phantom where the cockpit got ungodly LOUD in AB the faster you were...at 600+ KIAS if the other guy didn't have his intercom volume turned all the way up (or nearly so) you had to yell into your mask to be heard.

Steppenwolf, is that you???

[dburne]

I am finally, finally! starting to learn the weapons systems of the Hornet. After all this time going back and forth with it.

Today I made some nice progress with the sidewinders and guns. Shot a few planes down I did woohoo. Those AIM 9X's are so fun to use. Not too complex either.

 

Next up - the AAMRAMs and some bombing action.  I already found out quick I best be learning the countermeasures systems lol.

I just hope all this eventually sinks into my head and I can do it on the fly so to speak.

Edited January 22, 2021 by dburne

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, busdriver said:

 

We called it "the magic carpet ride." The wind noise sounds the same on approach or going Mach...kinda sorta. Compared to the Phantom where the cockpit got ungodly LOUD in AB the faster you were...at 600+ KIAS if the other guy didn't have his intercom volume turned all the way up (or nearly so) you had to yell into your mask to be heard.

 

Otis...Otis...OTIS!.....OOOHHTISSSS!!!

[unlikely_spider]

18 minutes ago, dburne said:

I am finally, finally! starting to learn the weapons systems of the Hornet. After all this time going back and forth with it.

Today I made some nice progress with the sidewinders and guns. Shot a few planes down I did woohoo. Those AIM 9X's are so fun to use. Not too complex either.

 

Next up - the AAMRAMs and some bombing action.  I already found out quick I best be learning the countermeasures systems lol.

I just hope all this eventually sinks into my head and I can do it on the fly so to speak.

Though it's a bit more modern than my tastes generally lead me, I would like to learn the Hornet eventually, just for two reasons: it's a damn sexy plane, and the new Baltic Dragon campaign. I may learn it just for that - BD makes crazy good campaigns.

But I don't yet have the Hornet, nor the carrier. So it's over $100 just for me to be able to play the campaign, lol

[Gambit21]

On 1/20/2021 at 1:22 PM, AndyJWest said:

To be honest, the F-16 seems a bit bland to me. And the absence of a canopy frame makes me feel like I'm flying the Fokker Eindecker from RoF.

 

My favorite aircraft when I was younger...I was obsessed with it. I think I went and watched Iron Eagle at least 2, maybe 3 times when I was a Sophomore in High School.

That said I might skip it in DCS,  just because time, life... Hornet/Carrier.

I think with me it's going to be Hornet only for a while (because I need to really get it under my skin)

 

Then the F-15E later - the Mud Hen is my Jam.

 

 

[CanadaOne]

47 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

My favorite aircraft when I was younger...I was obsessed with it. I think I went and watched Iron Eagle at least 2, maybe 3 times when I was a Sophomore in High School.

That said I might skip it in DCS,  just because time, life... Hornet/Carrier.

I think with me it's going to be Hornet only for a while (because I need to really get it under my skin)

 

Then the F-15E later - the Mud Hen is my Jam.

 

 

 

But if you do not BRRRRRTTT!, it will require an intervention.

 

You must BRRRRRRTTTTT!

 

 Everyone must BRRRRRRRTTT!

 

Even Ernie must BRRRRRRRTTTT!

[Robli]

On 1/20/2021 at 5:00 PM, Robli said:

How do you guys feel about the IFF function in the Hornet?

To me it seems very inconsistent. Sometimes I can IFF a bogie from 10 nm away, but many times it does not IFF, even when I am closing up and almost crashing into the target right in front of me, in the middle of the radar cone. This is both with head-on and tail aspect and both with AZ/EL or manual interrogation with sensor depress button. Is there some kind of inconsistency/bug about it or are there any hints what could be causing that?

Edit: IFF is turned on, but no AWACS.

 

I finally figured out the IFF part, I think.

I have come to a conclusion that IFF never ID's a bogie as hostile. The result is only friendly (correct response to interrogation) or ambiguous. To ID a bogie as hostile, non-cooperative recognition is needed (requires lock on target) or to get that information through datalink from AWACS or another friendly donor.  I am open to being corrected, if someone has better knowledge of that matter.

I wonder how much friendly fire is that causing in multiplayer environment.

[9./JG27golani79]

22 hours ago, dburne said:

 

That is basically where I am now with the Hornet.

I have progressed through learning takeoffs and landings off the Super Carrier, navigating with waypoints, tacan, using ILCS for carrier traps.

Many hours I have put in just for this alone. Now I am trying to tackle learning how to use the weapons systems. This is a bump in the road that has already stalled me at least a couple of times, where I go to other games for a while. But I am intent on finally being able to fly combat in the Hornet - hopefully I can get there at some point this year.

 

Too many sims and games, too little time.

 

Did you create custom missions to train navigation and stuff or just fly the training missions over and over?

I´m in the progress of learning systems in my first modern jet as well and asking myself what would be the best way progressionwise to do so.

[dburne]

2 hours ago, 9./JG27golani79 said:

 

Did you create custom missions to train navigation and stuff or just fly the training missions over and over?

I´m in the progress of learning systems in my first modern jet as well and asking myself what would be the best way progressionwise to do so.

 

I did a training mission or two first, then I just used Chuck's Guide for the Hornet and the cold start mission off the carrier in the Persian Gulf.

And did it over and over many times. I used this for learning the cold start, takeoff, navigation using waypoints and tacan, along with the ILCS for carrier traps.

 

Now I am using his guide for weapons, and the single qualification missions. I will also review Wags videos on each weapon.

I created a custom kneeboard with Kneeboard Builder and broke his guides down into segments and display them on the image in my VR Headset. Toggle it on and off as required. I will probably reference a training mission here and there.

 

4 hours ago, Robli said:

 

I finally figured out the IFF part, I think.

I have come to a conclusion that IFF never ID's a bogie as hostile. The result is only friendly (correct response to interrogation) or ambiguous. To ID a bogie as hostile, non-cooperative recognition is needed (requires lock on target) or to get that information through datalink from AWACS or another friendly donor.  I am open to being corrected, if someone has better knowledge of that matter.

I wonder how much friendly fire is that causing in multiplayer environment.

 

 

Great something else now I need to learn lol.

Edited January 22, 2021 by dburne

[Bremspropeller]

10 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

But if you do not BRRRRRTTT!, it will require an intervention.

 

You must BRRRRRRTTTTT!

 

 Everyone must BRRRRRRRTTT!

 

Even Ernie must BRRRRRRRTTTT!

 

 

Can you tell me, how many pews are in a dakka and how many dakkas are in a brrt?

 

Seems to the, those are some kind of messed up imperial units.

11 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Then the F-15E later - the Mud Hen is my Jam.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Edited January 22, 2021 by Bremspropeller

[ZachariasX]

There are a few pews in a dakka and dakkas are always less than a BRRRRRRTTTTT!

[dburne]

Brrrrt's are great fun only when one has a lock and a shoot cue.

Using that dang funnel is a PITB.

[CanadaOne]

32 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

 

Can you tell me, how many pews are in a dakka and how many dakkas are in a brrt?

 

Seems to the, those are some kind of messed up imperial units.

 

A BRRRRRTTTT! is both a unit and a philosophy, in the same way that a photon can be particle and a wave.

 

And as stated by Heisenbrrrrrttttt!: if you know how many PEWS are in a BRRRRTTT!, you cannot know how many DAKKAS stem from the PEW.

[Bremspropeller]

Heisenbrrrt is my favourite philosopher.

[Diggun]

11 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

Heisenbrrrt is my favourite philosopher.

I'm not sure if he's mine or not.

 

 

 

I'll see myself out.

[dburne]

Ok back to school this morning.

First up a few more tries with the Aim 9x's. Just because they are fun.

Then bombs baby. Lots of bombs.

 

I am going to finally learn this thing to where I can actually fly a campaign off the Super Carrier.

The Force is great with this one.  Oops wrong game...

Edited January 22, 2021 by dburne

[Bremspropeller]

 

[dburne]

Wow, I royally suck at air to ground guns even in CCIP mode.

Thank heavens for bombs.

[dburne]

Well I ended up spending the day fine tuning my sidewinder and sparrows abilities along with guns  - ending up with the Amraams this afternoon. I think I have a decent handle on those now.

Tomorrow will be bombs - and goodness there are several to learn/choose from along with the different bomb delivery methods.  Probably spend at least a day or more on those.

And I still have so much more to learn. By the time I have finished I probably will have forgotten this early stuff lol.

 

[AndyJWest]

1 hour ago, dburne said:

Tomorrow will be bombs - and goodness there are several to learn/choose from along with the different bomb delivery methods.  Probably spend at least a day or more on those.

 

 

I'd start with simple iron bombs in CCIP mode. By far the easiest way to blow things up, as long as they aren't shooting at you. Good old-fashioned unguided rockets are fun too.

 

I've been trying to get the hang of CCRP mode, which is theoretically safer for a defended target. You'll probably have to fiddle around with the TDC axis sensitivity for this (assuming you have some sort of proportional axis control for the TDC - I wouldn't like to do it via the keyboard), as trying to set the pointer accurately on the HUD is a pain in the posterior. At least, it seems to be that way for me. And even when you've got it aligned, CCRP mode seems to be much less accurate, unsurprisingly.

[dburne]

2 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

 

I'd start with simple iron bombs in CCIP mode. By far the easiest way to blow things up, as long as they aren't shooting at you. Good old-fashioned unguided rockets are fun too.

 

I've been trying to get the hang of CCRP mode, which is theoretically safer for a defended target. You'll probably have to fiddle around with the TDC axis sensitivity for this (assuming you have some sort of proportional axis control for the TDC - I wouldn't like to do it via the keyboard), as trying to set the pointer accurately on the HUD is a pain in the posterior. At least, it seems to be that way for me. And even when you've got it aligned, CCRP mode seems to be much less accurate, unsurprisingly.

 

Yeah I already have an axis on my new Virpil CM3 throttle assigned to TDC.

Thanks for the tip, will start with the iron bombs in CCIP mode.

Much left to learn, but this time I am outright determined to finally get it done.

I am going to fly a campaign in the Hornet off the super carrier in the Persian Gulf come hell or high water.

[Bremspropeller]

Does anybody know how to engage that carrier approach box overlay in the lower right hand corner at 3:24?

 

 

[BOO]

9 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Does anybody know how to engage that carrier approach box overlay in the lower right hand corner at 3:24?

 

Its an old video, pre dating  SC and a thousand patches. According to all the documentation Ive seen, it should appear when you hit RCTL ENTER to bring up the controls indicator but seems to have been dropped in favour of the ED IFLOLS overlay. 

14 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

 

I'd start with simple iron bombs in CCIP mode. By far the easiest way to blow things up, as long as they aren't shooting at you. Good old-fashioned unguided rockets are fun too.

 

I've been trying to get the hang of CCRP mode, which is theoretically safer for a defended target. You'll probably have to fiddle around with the TDC axis sensitivity for this (assuming you have some sort of proportional axis control for the TDC - I wouldn't like to do it via the keyboard), as trying to set the pointer accurately on the HUD is a pain in the posterior. At least, it seems to be that way for me. And even when you've got it aligned, CCRP mode seems to be much less accurate, unsurprisingly.

An important step in dcs learning is finding out whats broken or bugged. Im sure I dont need to tell you that though. It can save hours of frustration when things dont seem to be going according to plan. Not saying CCRP is bugged in the bug, just a general observation. 

[DD_fruitbat]

14 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

 

I'd start with simple iron bombs in CCIP mode. By far the easiest way to blow things up, as long as they aren't shooting at you. Good old-fashioned unguided rockets are fun too.

 

I've been trying to get the hang of CCRP mode, which is theoretically safer for a defended target. You'll probably have to fiddle around with the TDC axis sensitivity for this (assuming you have some sort of proportional axis control for the TDC - I wouldn't like to do it via the keyboard), as trying to set the pointer accurately on the HUD is a pain in the posterior. At least, it seems to be that way for me. And even when you've got it aligned, CCRP mode seems to be much less accurate, unsurprisingly.

 

I'm afraid your probably doing something wrong then, CCRP bombing is pretty damn accurate considering they're dumb bombs.

 

Engage barometric altitude hold, turn on the ATC (automatic throttle control), move the Tpod to the target, TDC depress to mark the target and then follow the symbology cues, and from 10000ft you can hit a truck, wind notwithstanding. 

 

 

 

 

Also, I would very much recommend ditching the TDC on an axis, and use a hat switch instead, its way easier imo, at least that's what I've found, I ditched it on an axis ages ago.

Edited January 23, 2021 by DD_fruitbat

[41Sqn_Skipper]

Why do they park other aircraft in front of the OLS in the case 1 instant missions of the F14? It's already hard enough to see the damn ball. 

[Bremspropeller]

Probably to make you use the IFLOLS overlay, which only works accurately for the Hornet anyway. ?

[AndyJWest]

3 hours ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

I'm afraid your probably doing something wrong then, CCRP bombing is pretty damn accurate considering they're dumb bombs.

 

Engage barometric altitude hold, turn on the ATC (automatic throttle control), move the Tpod to the target, TDC depress to mark the target and then follow the symbology cues, and from 10000ft you can hit a truck, wind notwithstanding. 

 

Also, I would very much recommend ditching the TDC on an axis, and use a hat switch instead, its way easier imo, at least that's what I've found, I ditched it on an axis ages ago.

 

I was doing CCRP the way Chuck's Guide shows it (p. 280-285), without the TPod, in a shallow dive. Probably bound to be less accurate, so I'll give your way a go. ?