DCS

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

1 hour ago, Legioneod said:

2300hp 56". I agree it's less power but I don't think it will improve the turn by all that much, it may allow me to keep it for longer but eventually the P-51 will still out turn me. Also I was around half on fuel and the 51 was a bit heavy due to fuel amount.

For what I could find 2300HP with 56" and water is at mid altitudes, at sea level it decreases a bit to 2200HP, given 52" without water is 2000HP,  56" dry must be somewhere in between, 2100 HP could be a good compromise. In the case of the P-51 going from 61" to 67" was enough to give it the edge over the 47, and that's around 150 HP extra.  Doing 64" with water could be 400-500 HP increase, it may give the 47 the advantage, since it's a good bit of extra power.

Edited June 6, 2020 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[Raven109]

5 hours ago, Birdman said:

Tried the P-47:

Is the temp running away to 300+ a bug? Can't get it under control.

 

It is a very wobbly gun platform.

 

Regarding the wobble,  there's a comment from Matt Wagner on this video from phil style:

 

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Matt Wagner2 days ago

Great video, thanks Phil. I really enjoyed that. I had a word with Nick about the nose wobble (TFC owned Snafu for a number of years), and he pointed out that directional stability of the Jug at low speeds and the Oswald rudders, requires a bit of curve / small tuning. It's realistic, but given the small movement of most gamer rudder pedals, it can lead to over-sensitivity. Thanks

 

 

[9./JG27golani79]

7 hours ago, gn728 said:

Well - I activated it today and I have nothing, no icon for it module manager - nothing on the main menu, license page confirms all good sooo.....?

 

Are you running the open beta?

[Bremspropeller]

Honestly:

 

Does the Jug warrant being bought? Mind you that buying the Jug also kinda requires buying Normandy and Channel, which will set you back 120 bucks or so.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

Already have Normandy. Will get The Jug and Channel Map. Also Persian Gulf is down the road to be bought

[Lusekofte]

7 hours ago, Legioneod said:

Heat modeling is still wip. Yaw instability is pretty extreme so you really need to be coordinated, try putting a curve in you rudder axis. Once you get the rudder under control it goes exactly where you want it to go.

I did this but still it feels I fly it by standing over it and have it hanging on a bungee cord. I really did not like how it feels in flight. How I hate how it refuse to be stable. I always had a impression it was If nothing else, a stable gun platform. You take a turn and stop the turn. Its like it counteract as it is a rubber ball hitting the wall. I guess I must tweak the controls more

1 hour ago, Bremspropeller said:

Honestly:

 

Does the Jug warrant being bought? Mind you that buying the Jug also kinda requires buying Normandy and Channel, which will set you back 120 bucks or so.

Buy only channelmap. It leavs you at 60 bucks

Let me tell you, I do not really know you, but I assume you have great knowledge on airplanes based on many post I read. 
I wish you bought it and told me how you feel about it. It is beautiful. Maybe the most beautiful plane I bought. 
But it made my dissapointment even bigger. It feel unbalanced, it act like a super maneuverable overpowered submarine under water in my opinion. 
To me it felt like it had no real physics around it and at the same time floated in gel. 

Edited June 6, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[8ELT_Grzesiek]

Nice smoke tracers, it's a shame Il2 lacks such alternatives to choose from.

[CanadaOne]

2 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Honestly:

 

Does the Jug warrant being bought? Mind you that buying the Jug also kinda requires buying Normandy and Channel, which will set you back 120 bucks or so.

 

I bought P-47 and I'm kinda on the fence about it. The cockpit is gorgeous, when the lighting hits just right it's really something to see, but I prefer the P-51 for flying fun. I'm sure the P-47 will see some updates though, more weapons especially. Doesn't even have rockets now. What I do like about it is, how do you put this... it feels like a premium WWII plane, certainly as far as the interior eye candy goes anyway. Whatever failings the model might have, you know you're in a plane someone spent a lot of time putting together. I was in the Jug last night, flew around for a bit, then jumped in the Hornet and flew some more, and it hit me that these two planes are top shelf flightsim toys, and I like my flightsim toys. The Jug & the Channel, the Hornet and the Carrier, this is good stuff.

 

The Channel map is another story, a resource hog but fantastic! looking. For me it's a must-have. Just ordered 16GB of RAM to help with it and planning a new CPU. It's a beautiful map and it shreds all other WWII maps as far as I see. And improvements are already being planned. 

 

The Normandy map is nice and runs well enough (it's not as friendly as it could be), but the Channel map is the Rolls-Royce of WWII maps for the moment.

[Lusekofte]

11 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

The Channel map is another story, a resource hog but fantastic! looking

I could keep my settings on it. But might tweak down a little. 

 

12 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

top shelf flightsim toys, and I like my flightsim toys.

Are you sure? I was very dissapointed on its rubberband feeling it had on maneuvers 

 

[CanadaOne]

55 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I could keep my settings on it. But might tweak down a little. 

 

Are you sure? I was very dissapointed on its rubberband feeling it had on maneuvers 

 

 

I prefer the P-51, no question, but I'm sure the P-47 will get a few touch ups. I did find it handled kinda funny at times.

 

But you have to admit that cockpit is pretty nice.

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

But you have to admit that cockpit is pretty nice.

I believe it is the most beautiful pit I have seen in a game ever. And it was it that made me buy it.  But I probably fly the Yak 52 more in channel map. 
I do not mind the p 47 performanse. But in my mind it should be more heavy and stable

[simfan2015]

DCS OpenBeta is a mess, was and still is. I plan to return to Stable if things don't change for the better real soon !

OK, the Channel Map is awesome (that detail is best I have seen in any flight sim), the P-47 is incredibly detailed,but does it all matter

 if it becomes a crash-fest (Mission Editor borked !?) and FPS is now nearly half (on my rig anyway).

IL-2 GB and CloD OTOH never crash on me and framerates are double.

But of course, YMMV (and I hope it does).

Sorry for my rant, normally I try to keep it positive, but even I am fed up with this DCS World.

For me only ... IL-2 GB and CloD till ED gets its act together again.

I hope it's only my PC config that is the problem, but it would amaze me since DCS is the only sim I have real (crashing) trouble with at the moment !

Edited June 6, 2020 by simfan2015

[CanadaOne]

14 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

DCS OpenBeta is a mess, was and still is. I plan to return to Stable if things don't change for the better real soon !

OK, the Channel Map is awesome (that detail is best I have seen in any flight sim), the P-47 is incredibly detailed,but does it all matter

 if it becomes a crash-fest (Mission Editor borked !?) and FPS is now nearly half (on my rig anyway).

IL-2 GB and CloD OTOH never crash on me and framerates are double.

But of course, YMMV (and I hope it does).

Sorry for my rant, normally I try to keep it positive, but even I am fed up with this DCS World.

For me only ... IL-2 GB and CloD till ED gets its act together again.

I hope it's only my PC config that is the problem, but it would amaze me since DCS is the only sim I have real (crashing) trouble with at the moment !

 

I don't have that experience at all. I run the OpenBeta and it's fine. A lock up here and there but I get that in IL2 as well.  And I run every DCS flight through the mission editor and I don't see it as "borked".

 

I have a dozen planes and all the maps and I find DCS OpenBeta runs well.

[simfan2015]

12 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

And I run every DCS flight through the mission editor and I don't see it as "borked".

Thanks for letting me know CanadaOne !

Then only my own DCS OB install must be messed up.

Problem is, even the repair option did not get things fixed !

I am afraid I will have to re-install DCS completely ... +200 GB ! 

Edited June 6, 2020 by simfan2015

[gn728]

8 hours ago, 9./JG27golani79 said:

Are you running the open beta?

My access to the P-47 is based on being a backer of the WWII kickstarter 4 yrs ago. Yesterday the Backer Rewards page said it was ready to activate - I did, and it says license issued. If it has something to do with that its not clear........  

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, gn728 said:

My access to the P-47 is based on being a backer of the WWII kickstarter 4 yrs ago. Yesterday the Backer Rewards page said it was ready to activate - I did, and it says license issued. If it has something to do with that its not clear........  

you have to run open beta in order to use it. You do own it, but stable version do not have it

[gn728]

2 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

you have to run open beta in order to use it. You do own it, but stable version do not have it

Yah - thanks @216th_LuseKofte - I checked some other places and saw that was in fact the issue. It's fine - I've waited 4 yrs - I can wait till its official - lol - we'll see if the 262 ever become a thing......

[CanadaOne]

2 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

Thanks for letting me know CanadaOne !

Then only my own DCS OB install must be messed up.

Problem is, even the repair option did not get things fixed !

I am afraid I will have to re-install DCS completely ... +200 GB ! 

 

I'm no expert, all I can say is that the DCS OpenBeta runs well for me.

 

Dburne, who posts often in this thread, knows far more than I do. He's helped me out with DCS tech stuff a few times. He might have something to say about your installation and why it's not working as well as you'd like.

[dburne]

2 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

I don't have that experience at all. I run the OpenBeta and it's fine. A lock up here and there but I get that in IL2 as well.  And I run every DCS flight through the mission editor and I don't see it as "borked".

 

I have a dozen planes and all the maps and I find DCS OpenBeta runs well.

 

Yeah I have been running nothing but Open Beta for some time now, mostly the experience is pretty good.

5 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

I'm no expert, all I can say is that the DCS OpenBeta runs well for me.

 

Dburne, who posts often in this thread, knows far more than I do. He's helped me out with DCS tech stuff a few times. He might have something to say about your installation and why it's not working as well as you'd like.

 

Yeah he said he tried a Repair and that did not work, usually that takes care of odd things unless maybe running some mods?

[simfan2015]

Thanks dburne. Unfortunately I got rid of the mods too. Made no difference. I switch between stable to OB and maybe something went wrong along the way!? DCS even crashes. Never happened before. I may have to completely reinstall, unless again switching to stable end upgrade to OB again now fixes things. I cleaned caches, install, repaired. I thought dcs ob itself was the problem. But if it still works for others, it must be my installation. Sorry to have assumed otherwise. 

[Bremspropeller]

I like those differential thrust moves!

 

 

[dburne]

37 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

Thanks dburne. Unfortunately I got rid of the mods too. Made no difference. I switch between stable to OB and maybe something went wrong along the way!? DCS even crashes. Never happened before. I may have to completely reinstall, unless again switching to stable end upgrade to OB again now fixes things. I cleaned caches, install, repaired. I thought dcs ob itself was the problem. But if it still works for others, it must be my installation. Sorry to have assumed otherwise. 

 

Yeah I guess switching between them like that could have something to do with it, but who knows.

[Wulfen]

Bought both the Channel map and the P-47 on release, but only now am I in the process of downloading. The latest windows update corrupted my install and luckily after much gnashing of teeth I managed to rescue it and update DCS.

[Lusekofte]

Flew the P 47 over UK and the YAK and the P 51. 

Impression on the P 47 in free flight with just fun maneouvers make me a bit more happy with it.

I got stutter free until I look out side window at roof top height in dence city . All else is good. Might bother to tweak down a little. I  also might set gamma more down, it is damn light 

All in all I like the WW 2 modules and Yak I flew today in this map . 

Flying Yak made me feel I was in training 

[coconut]

VR afficionados beware, the channel map requires a strong CPU, compared to other maps. My poor 4690K overclocked at 4.4Ghz wasn't up to the task. Looking at the DCS forums, I am not alone.

[Dutch2]

VR DCS users like to know:

• how good is the SP WW2 campaign/career mode in DCS, or is there any?.
• are all the WW2 planes as AI included if wanting to buy  only the P47D and one WW2 map, or do I need to buy the 109, 190, B17, spitfire, mosquito separate to make them appear as AI in the WW2 map? 
• Any (dis)advantage for getting this game at Steam, like DLC or sales availability?  

 

 

 

 

Edited June 7, 2020 by Dutch2

[dburne]

2 hours ago, coconut said:

VR afficionados beware, the channel map requires a strong CPU, compared to other maps. My poor 4690K overclocked at 4.4Ghz wasn't up to the task. Looking at the DCS forums, I am not alone.

 

I have a pretty stout system and the Channel Map is very hard on it also, especially flying low over populated areas.

[CanadaOne]

35 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

I have a pretty stout system and the Channel Map is very hard on it also, especially flying low over populated areas.

 

I'm going to check again, but I got better performance over England, even populated areas, than over France. Maybe I changed some settings, not sure.

 

Took the Huey up over England last night. It's a great chopper map.

[vonGraf]

2 hours ago, Dutch2 said:

are all the WW2 planes as AI included if wanting to buy  only the P47D and one WW2 map, or do I need to buy the 109, 190, B17, spitfire, mosquito separate to make them appear as AI in the WW2 map? 

 

AI planes for the WW2 setting are in the 'WW2 assets pack (plus other stuff)', only the planes you want to fly you have to buy separately.

The assets pack you have to buy though.

 

Edited June 7, 2020 by vonGraf

[DD_fruitbat]

Just messaging around last night, with DD_fenrir,

 

 

And a bit of fun after the mission, 

 

 

Edited June 7, 2020 by DD_fruitbat

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

Took the Huey up over England last night. It's a great chopper map.

I will try this. I actually enjoyed the Yak 52 over England. Felt like it should be there

[CanadaOne]

25 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I will try this. I actually enjoyed the Yak 52 over England. Felt like it should be there

 

I took the Harrier over for a fly last night. Good fun.

 

A great map is a great map.

[Lusekofte]

I tweaked the pixel level lower disabeled saa and that that other  thing put terrain texture from low to high and manage to obtain good and pretty map and can now fly with no stutter and very smooth on rooftop altitude over cities. And I know now how and why I get the bungee cord behavior. Of course bad flying and easily avoided. Now I start liking the p 47. It is just simply awesome. Like the F 14. 
In what I can see, it is not modeled as a super bird , it could in my opinion feel a little heavier and still feel powerful. But for what I can see it stalls as And when expected. Easily recovered and without testing it against anything I felt it believable. I like the climb rate compared to GB and I might find flying channel map my new favorite thing to do. 
I still would have enjoyed Razorback more. I cannot forgive that choice like I could not in GB. I care not for added personal favors, I simply want the plane I like. 
 As soon as I get rid of some bad behaviour on the p 47 and get thise damn cowl flaps to work I be good

Edited June 7, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Trooper117]

1 hour ago, DD_fruitbat said:

Just messaging around last night, with DD_fenrir,

 

 

And a bit of fun after the mission, 

 

 

 

One thing you can say about DCS... they have absolutely nailed that lovely Merlin growl on the Spit... the map looks great too. I will have to get it at some stage!

[unlikely_spider]

5 hours ago, Dutch2 said:

VR DCS users like to know:

• how good is the SP WW2 campaign/career mode in DCS, or is there any?.
• are all the WW2 planes as AI included if wanting to buy  only the P47D and one WW2 map, or do I need to buy the 109, 190, B17, spitfire, mosquito separate to make them appear as AI in the WW2 map? 
• Any (dis)advantage for getting this game at Steam, like DLC or sales availability?  

 

 

 

 

There are scripted campaigns that are very good. Blue Nosed Bastards (Mustang) and Jagdflieger (109) are worth it, and I've heard great things about Big Show but haven't played it myself because I can't land the Spit worth a damn. But I would love to because it mirrors the book.

[Dutch2]

1 hour ago, unlikely_spider said:

There are scripted campaigns that are very good. Blue Nosed Bastards (Mustang) and Jagdflieger (109) are worth it, and I've heard great things about Big Show but haven't played it myself because I can't land the Spit worth a damn. But I would love to because it mirrors the book.

 

Are we talking about campaign like the scripted campaign mode here at BoX, that an gathering of missions or an scripted campaign mode that also does have an logging system. 

[unlikely_spider]

22 minutes ago, Dutch2 said:

 

Are we talking about campaign like the scripted campaign mode here at BoX, that an gathering of missions or an scripted campaign mode that also does have an logging system. 

It's a progression of missions, usually about a dozen, give or take, and it tracks your kills and hours and such. You usually have to survive the mission and land - some creators also have criteria that have to be met, though not all. The Reflected campaigns (he's the one who made these specific ones that I recommend) doesn't have criteria that you have to meet. You go and fly the mission, and you just have to survive and land to get to the next mission.

[Art-J]

8 hours ago, vonGraf said:

 

AI planes for the WW2 setting are in the 'WW2 assets pack (plus other stuff)', only the planes you want to fly you have to buy separately.

The assets pack you have to buy though.

 

 

Not quite:

@Dutch- Flyable, full-module warbirds (Both 190s, 109, Spit, Mustang and T-bolt) do have their AI models available for everyone to use in the SP missions, or to see them in online gameplay, just like in Il-2 series, so you don't have to buy all of them. 

 

Strictly AI warbirds, however (B-17, A-20, Ju-88) are part of Assets Pack, unfortunately.

 

Most, if not all scripted DLC campaigns do use Normandy map and Asset Pack, so you would have to buy them anyway.

Edited June 7, 2020 by Art-J

[KoN_]

Any one compared  DCS model yet . 

[Legioneod]

26 minutes ago, ACG_KoN said:

Any one compared  DCS model yet . 

DCS model is incomplete and still lacks certain things so imo it's still too early to make a final judgement. I will say I do prefer the DCS model at this time but there are still things missing so I can't say one is more accurate than the other.