No.23_Gaylion Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) First two planes in your 3 element were the invisible ones. One stays in view the whole time looks to be default skin. But, one that disappeared also seems to be a default skin-or i didnt have that skin in my folder. Then Droo. (Visible entire time) (First one to fire and come into view) (Second one to fire and come into view) (Looks like the lead two in three element) Edited February 27, 2020 by US213_Talbot
J2_Trupobaw Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 40 minutes ago, US213_Talbot said: From different fields? So outside that 10k bubble? Yes. The yesterday reproduction happened when Drook and I both took off from separate fields and tried to form with flight that was returning from enemy airspace, so we all had been outside 10k bubble.
J2_Drookasi Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 50 minutes ago, US213_Talbot said: From different fields? So outside that 10k bubble? Yes, outside the 10k bubble. Invisibility has never occurred when we spawn together and take off from the same field.
No.23_Gaylion Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) Ok, finally found my track file of when Hotlead and Markoff jumped us from above while invisible. Larner posted that video here for a quick refresher on that instance. https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/56145-invisible-planes-bug/?do=findComment&comment=880385 I went to the track file and free looked all the way up in the sky and was able to see both those fokkers and watched the entire set up and attack. My track had been going awhile and I was able to almost watch them leave their field. The interesting bit: 1. When you start to move the camera down towards the fokkers, precisely at the 10k bubble they disappear. They will reappear when you back out. 2. If you stay far enough away to see them and zoom in, they don't disappear immediately. They will disappear if you zoom in too close, maybe 5k? I'll post the video up shortly. ***********EDIT*********** Video below. Will take a bit to render in full HD. https://youtu.be/fN5O-EQHCP4 Edited February 27, 2020 by US213_Talbot Added video 2
No.23_Gaylion Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) We (Larner and I) just had another instance of this bug. He spotted the plane and vectored us in. Both of us were recording. He loses sight of the plane and I continue to vector in on it. The fokker comes into view for Larner when I attack it. Going to grab the track files and figure out the distance but again it looks like it's the 10k bubble. Edited to add skin reference. Edited February 27, 2020 by US213_Talbot
J2_Trupobaw Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 Please have a look on his skin, too :). 1
No.23_Gaylion Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 @Jason_Williams Hey man, something is going on with this bug and the 10k bubble.
TAAC_Blue Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 Let's remove D7s from the missions for a week and see what happens. 2
NO.20_W_M_Thomson Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, US213_Hall said: Let's remove D7s from the missions for a week and see what happens. LOL your gonna start a war.
No.23_Triggers Posted February 27, 2020 Author Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) For reference - glitch happened on Sizzlorr map 3000m+. Typically see this bug at higher altitudes, don't remember ever seeing it down low. I had spotted the D7 in question from extreme range, and totally lost him as we got nearer. Talbot kept eyes on him and I didn't see him again until his "appearance" when Talbot put shots into him. As another point of interest - the guy was a pretty experienced pilot, I'd be curious to see his tracks, to see if we really crept up on him or if we were invisible to him. Perhaps the D7s / D7Fs do need to be benched for a while. It'll be tough on the huns, but having invisible planes flying about completely breaks the game. The glitch also occurs very frequently with D7s...I'm curious to see how many legit cases of invisible planes would be reported if they were removed. That being said, it's seemingly more and more likely that the 10k render distance is the culprit here.... Edited February 27, 2020 by US93_Larner
US63_SpadLivesMatter Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 Wow this is borked. I can't see a problem with removing D7's for a week if it means isolating the problem. Some people are going to moan though. Maybe just axe them for the Thursday fly-in and Sunday event.
J2_Bidu Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 2 hours ago, US213_Hall said: Let's remove D7s from the missions for a week and see what happens. I stand by this! Remove all D7's immediately. (just replace them all by plain D7F's instead). Let's eradicate this evil bug! 1 hour ago, J28w-Broccoli said: I can't see a problem with removing D7's for a week if it means isolating the problem. Some people are going to moan though. I'd love to moan about this, but the parser says I love DVa's better.
BMA_Hellbender Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 Seriously if it's just the vanilla D7, remove it right away and see if that's it. If it's the F... yeah, we may need some time to line the entire German front with WW2 flak first.
No.23_Gaylion Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) And here's another one. So this has happened twice today. Two outta FIVE sorties aint that bad! I'm beginning to think God/Allah/Yahweh is punishing for all my parachute killing. https://youtu.be/-9LTLYVngW0 As before- I spot BOTH planes outside of the 10k bubble. Once they hit the 10K, one disappears. Both my wingmen saw both fokkers. I dont know if its D7f or D7. I've been trying to stick to "fokkers" to incorporate both. I dont know the difference visually. They are all F's to me. Edited February 27, 2020 by US213_Talbot 2 out of 5 sorties. Not 6. 1
BMA_Hellbender Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, US213_Talbot said: I dont know if its D7f or D7. I've been trying to stick to "fokkers" to incorporate both. I dont know the difference visually. They are all F's to me. If you have a recording of your sortie it should be displayed in the icons.
No.23_Gaylion Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) It's in those videos I posted. I think it has been both. Edited February 27, 2020 by US213_Talbot
J2_Bidu Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, US213_Talbot said: I dont know if its D7f or D7. I've been trying to stick to "fokkers" to incorporate both. I dont know the difference visually. They are all F's to me. The difference is this: if they're not F's, they're F'd. P.S.: So far I think it happens with F's only. Anyone has info otherwise? Edited February 27, 2020 by J2_Bidu
No.23_Gaylion Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) From the J2 three flight the other day, where the two that disappeared F's? The instance that just happened looks like 2 D7f. One visible one not. Unless Seya was in vanilla bird. I think it's time to make a parody video with all these with tracks. Edited February 27, 2020 by US213_Talbot 1
J2_Jakob Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 9 hours ago, US213_Talbot said: From the J2 three flight the other day, where the two that disappeared F's? Yes.
HagarTheHorrible Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 I have a recorded incident, from last month. The player said he was just flying a vanilla D VII and not an “f”
No.23_Triggers Posted February 28, 2020 Author Posted February 28, 2020 Yeah - from what I've seen it's both vanillas and Fs. Even stranger that some players are affected and others aren't...! Was interesting watching Talbot light up an empty section of sky only to see a dead D7F suddenly appear, though.... 2
J2_Bidu Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 17 hours ago, US213_Talbot said: I think it's time to make a parody video with all these with tracks. This.
BMA_Hellbender Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 8 hours ago, US93_Larner said: Yeah - from what I've seen it's both vanillas and Fs. Even stranger that some players are affected and others aren't...! Was interesting watching Talbot light up an empty section of sky only to see a dead D7F suddenly appear, though.... When an invisible F accidentally bounces another invisible F 1
Talisman Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 I don't see this invisible plane bug, LOL. But then, I am the plank that missed two perfect bounces on what turned out to be enemy planes last night because I did not positively ID them as enemy and held my fire until it was too late! I use a Pimax 5k+ VR headset and have not experienced this invisible plane bug, but I do get fed up with aircraft that I spot at long distances suddenly disappearing as I get closer, so I expect that is part of this bug perhaps. The air-to-air visuals in the sim are bad at the moment, but I read that Jason and team are working on it and they do have a reputation for delivering for us customers. So I am trying to keep the faith. Happy landings, Talisman
HagarTheHorrible Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 5 hours ago, 56RAF_Talisman said: I don't see this invisible plane bug, LOL. But then, I am the plank that missed two perfect bounces on what turned out to be enemy planes last night because I did not positively ID them as enemy and held my fire until it was too late! I use a Pimax 5k+ VR headset and have not experienced this invisible plane bug, but I do get fed up with aircraft that I spot at long distances suddenly disappearing as I get closer, so I expect that is part of this bug perhaps. The air-to-air visuals in the sim are bad at the moment, but I read that Jason and team are working on it and they do have a reputation for delivering for us customers. So I am trying to keep the faith. Happy landings, Talisman Aren't you using the Migoto mod yet ? I really struggled identifying contacts, I installed the mod, set up the zooms, bound them to some joystick buttons. Hey Presto, no problems any more. It really is a must, if you're using VR, it makes all the difference, going from Zero to Hero.
Talisman Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 19 hours ago, HagarTheHorrible said: Aren't you using the Migoto mod yet ? I really struggled identifying contacts, I installed the mod, set up the zooms, bound them to some joystick buttons. Hey Presto, no problems any more. It really is a must, if you're using VR, it makes all the difference, going from Zero to Hero. Yes, I hear you but I just don't trust all that fiddling around for the Migoto mod, or any mod come to that (I am a bit anti mod to tell you the truth). I know, I am an old fuddy-duddy, lol. What I really want is for the dev's to step up and deliver better visuals and a better zoom option. Should not be too much to expect I would have thought. Happy landings, Talisman 1
No.23_Gaylion Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) Welp, was just looking at the invisible D7 track file from the other day and noticed something low reappear from klingon mode. This time: A HALBERSTADT CL2!!!!!!!!!! ::gasp!:: NOT ONE OF THE GIRLS!!!!!!! Video soon to be posted. Visible before 10km. Hit 10km and went invisible. Reappears after what looks like the gunner becoming active on a nearby Camel/entente plane. Video: Give it a bit to get full rendered HD 2k https://youtu.be/YpiHdZdkCtY Edited March 1, 2020 by US213_Talbot Added video link 1
No.23_Gaylion Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 Finally some traction. Send the track files to this fellow if you have them. I sent him 4 myself. 1
SeaW0lf Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 I'll try to send him the three or four tracks that I have.
No.23_Triggers Posted March 1, 2020 Author Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, J5_Hellbender said: Cheating? All the time! Yeah, I've seen you cheating as well. One minute you're flying Brunhilde, then on the next sortie it's Anni, then Dora....disgraceful. Unfaithful. Edited March 1, 2020 by US93_Larner 2
No.23_Gaylion Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 You know what the call a man surrounded by a bunch of loose gals...
RNAS10_Oliver Posted March 2, 2020 Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) Not sure whether this is the same issue as others have seen or whether related in any manner. But tonight was teaming up with some other players and noticed some strange invisible occurrences. There was something invisible shooting towards nothing. Inspection of the track afterwards showed that shooting was from a stationary position also. Interesting also are the two other aircraft that can be seen further away that become invisible when I attempt to approach them with the free camera, neither are accessible with the friendly/enemy external cameras either? Here's the track. https://drive.google.com/open?id=12DSe7o0d9xaf3iOSMwaNFH6ZGzqWAyJ- Reckon this is related and should add this to the thread Talbot linked above? First time that I've witnessed such things and been in no doubt. None of these became visible at any point that I know either though. There was a second incident involving our "teammates" gunner firing at nothing. However not posting that one as yet as on reflection that could have just been some player jumping in the seat and being dumb. Wait to see what the "teammate" said. Edited March 2, 2020 by Oliver88
No.23_Gaylion Posted March 2, 2020 Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) The gunners will "see" the planes so it very well may be firing those invisible planes you saw earlier. Could be. Look back at the start of the track and see if the planes are visible while more than 10k away. I've seen that ghost firing bug a lot recently. I remember it was in RoF as well. Edited March 2, 2020 by US213_Talbot
J5_Adam Posted March 2, 2020 Posted March 2, 2020 "Not sure whether this is the same issue as others have seen or whether related in any manner. But tonight was teaming up with some other players and noticed some strange invisible occurrences. There was something invisible shooting towards nothing. Inspection of the track afterwards showed that shooting was from a stationary position also" @Oliver88, This used to happen in RoF multiplayer as well
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted March 2, 2020 Posted March 2, 2020 Stationery mg fire from empty place but more at ground level was observed during FIF and yesterday at Flugpark. 1
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