simfan2015 Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 1917 ... indeed interesting ! Fury 2014 with Brad Pitt and tank battles was great. Dunkirk OK. Mayby not "Saving Private Ryan" stuff, but I hope "Midway" will at least keep me in the theathre-seat for its full ... 138 minutes ! BTW I really loved Pearl Harbour for what it was ... and for not only the planes ! Regards, Stefaan 1
SR-F_Winger Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 Dunkirk was BS imho. At least in the cathegory "airplane scenes". The spitfire that flies like an hour without engine and even makes kills..... Riddiculous? 1
Lusekofte Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) I bet it wont be long for next announcement. They got to keep momentum going If it is a continuance from Bodenplatte we will know pretty soon Edited November 8, 2019 by No.322_LuseKofte
=gRiJ=Roman- Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 And the winner is .... PTO !!!! IMHO, of course ...
Hoss Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) On 11/3/2019 at 12:02 PM, szelljr said: ...i am ready for download the MIG's templates.. they already have the Mig-3 template in 4k I believe szelijr.......... LOL, I would love to fly the VF-51 F9F Panther but I'm not going to hold my breath buddy!... Hoss Edited November 8, 2019 by 361st_Hoss
Pikestance Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 Saving Private Ryan and Dunkirk, IMO, were pretty good movies. They both have very good to excellent cinematography and both had a story to tell and they told it well. There are some historical issues with both, but they were entertaining without relying on CGI to carry the action. Pearl Harbor was a failure on a lot different levels. he love story was boring and predictable and the action was unevenly distributed throughout the movie. Its one redeeming quality is the actual battle. I do not mind if there is a backstory to Midway f the character and story we are being told is interesting and relevant. The movie also have to give us a sense of what it happening in the battle and let us know key moments. Based on the reviews thus far, it doesn't sound as though it did that. We'll see. Well, y'all will,\. I am China. I am going to have to wait.
Eisenfaustus Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, simfan2015 said: 1917 ... indeed interesting ! Fury 2014 with Brad Pitt and tank battles was great. Dunkirk OK. Mayby not "Saving Private Ryan" stuff, but I hope "Midway" will at least keep me in the theathre-seat for its full ... 138 minutes ! BTW I really loved Pearl Harbour for what it was ... and for not only the planes ! Regards, Stefaan SPR: great pictures, story dumb as hell fury: great pictures, tactical nonsense hard to ignore for a soldier dunkirk: interesting approach in aerial action shooting - rest of the movie didn't really grab me... I think I might like midway... since i loved band of brothers and liked the Pacific very much, I am looking forward to masters of the air!
dburne Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 Only us combat flight simmers could take a speculation thread on what the next theatre of operations to be, or when it will be announced, and turn it into a movie review thread. Bwahaha... And yes I will be going to see this one lol.
simfan2015 Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) @dburne, indeed, you are right. However, 10 years or so from now we will be able to fully simulate that Midway movie battle ... interactively and in real time on our PCs. But to get back to the next IL-2 map ... except for PTO many of those above movies were about battles in Western Europe. There is still so much that can be covered there ... major tank battles, D-Day and bombing runs all over Western Europe ... FC2 with only Arras could also become much more and all over Europe... I am also curious about and longing for PTO, but I have so many doubts ... we will know quite soon won t we ? Edited November 8, 2019 by simfan2015
dburne Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 I am personally hoping for PTO, but will gladly be all in on whatever it is. 1
ST_ami7b5 Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 Plenty to play now, so why worry? Well, unless it would be Korea 1
Gambit21 Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, simfan2015 said: @dburne, indeed, you are right. However, 10 years or so from now we will be able to fully simulate that Midway movie battle ... interactively and in real time on our PCs. I guess you were not around when such conversations happened 10 years ago, 18 years ago...about what we’d be able to do in 10 years. (In other words now) PC game/hardware development just hasn’t worked out that way. PC’s get faster (not at the rate they used to) but the software gets more demanding. The monitor resolutions demand more from the GPU...etc. 2
Voyager Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 I believe European Air War did things on that scale, but they did have significantly lower graphics than its contemporaries. I think if we can parrallelize the AI, that would go a long way towards making massive air battles at our current level of visuals a reality. I mean, the 3990X is coming in a few months. I'd think 64 cores, 128 threads could run quite a number of big planes at once.
simfan2015 Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) @Gambit 21. I understand what you mean ... predictions of that kind are baseless. But ... you just might be amazed about my bg and ... age ? doen t matter though... In the next 10-15 years parallelization, cloud streaming and may, just maybe even (affordable?) quantum computing is going to/may make the impossible ... feasible. That is no mere prediction, but more like a fact. Software is indeed almost the hard problem (like conciousness I guess). But AI will solve that in the end too. And now I am going to watch ... Terminator again ? Edited November 8, 2019 by simfan2015 1
Gambit21 Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 39 minutes ago, Voyager said: I believe European Air War did things on that scale, but they did have significantly lower graphics than its contemporaries. European Air War did everything right...still the benchmark in many ways, especially from the immersion standpoint. Graphics were not significantly lower than other sims...IL2 was released after and bumped things up in that department, and flight modeling, ballistics/damage modeling (at the expense of just about everything else that was important) but most of is went to IL2 because we value those things above all others. WWII Fighters by Janes had better graphics for aircraft, but that's all it had...steaming turd that one. European Air War made me feel like I was flying a WWII fighter IN WWII, including the interface, music, those cool briefings with the map on the wall... Oleg did a lot of great things with IL2 but dropped the standard for immersion below the floor boards... a situation we're still fighting come back from. 6
Rei-sen Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 41 minutes ago, Gambit21 said: I guess you were not around when such conversations happened 10 years ago, 18 years ago...about what we’d be able to do in 10 years. (In other words now) PC game/hardware development just hasn’t worked out that way. PC’s get faster (not at the rate they used to) but the software gets more demanding. The monitor resolutions demand more from the GPU...etc I guess not all of those predictions were accurate, but still there's a great improvement. Regarding massive air battles and 4 engined aircraft, I'm sure it can be doable in Great Battles within 10 year period unless the dev team abandons the game. I don't see the reason why they would do that. The player base is constantly growing and with all those new updates it will grow even more which will bring more resources to the team allowing them to implement new features and improve the game engine.
MikhaVT Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, simfan2015 said: @Gambit 21. I understand what you mean ... predictions of that kind are baseless. But ... you just might be amazed about my bg and ... age ? doen t matter though... In the next 10-15 years parallelization, cloud streaming and may, just maybe even (affordable?) quantum computing is going to/may make the impossible ... feasible. That is no mere prediction, but more like a fact. Software is indeed almost the hard problem (like conciousness I guess). But AI will solve that in the end too. And now I am going to watch ... Terminator again ? The hardware we have now is unbelievably powerful, just hardly any of it is used! If only multi-threading was easier for devs to implement. A great example of just how powerful our hardware is would be computer applications for, well, computing. The Uni i graduated from had a server for computational fluid dynamics simulations which used an old xenon processor from around 2012. My own rig runs an i7-6770k. Running a CFD sim on the xenon processor meant 100% CPU load on each core if you let it run on all of them; however, running the sims on my own computer meant never more than ~80% load as the software could not keep up with the rate each core was solving equations tossed to it. Compare that the performance of an i5 and i7 for gaming and little difference will be seen despite the i7 having vastly more raw processing power than the i5 -- again, nothing makes use of all the cores. Edited November 8, 2019 by Kataphrakt 1
simfan2015 Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 I was also thinking about Google stadia streaming and cloud computing in general. Also the new microsoft fs may be the start of a new kind of flightsim with not only ultra realistic graphics but also the AI and war scenario running on hundreds of servers. At the University everything here is cloud computing. I agree with posters here stating that our personal Workstations may not grow immensely powerful overnight, but probably that is no longer the real issue in the Near future.
vvuorela Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 5 hours ago, simfan2015 said: However, 10 years or so from now we will be able to fully simulate that Midway movie battle ... interactively and in real time on our PCs. Lucasarts already did that with "Battlehawks 1942". It was 1989, I think. ?
Gretsch_Man Posted November 8, 2019 Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Gambit21 said: European Air War made me feel like I was flying a WWII fighter IN WWII, including the interface, music, those cool briefings with the map on the wall... Oleg did a lot of great things with IL2 but dropped the standard for immersion below the floor boards... a situation we're still fighting come back from. Yeah, I'm also missing those good old games, which were so immersive. A good military flight sim is not only about properly simulating the planes, as important as it is, but in a way been a "pilot sim", too. 1
Rei-sen Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, simfan2015 said: I was also thinking about Google stadia streaming and cloud computing in general One major problem with that - most likely it'll be subscription based. I don't like the idea of regular monthly payments in order to use the product. It has to be one time payment, like it is now.
AstroCat Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Gambit21 said: European Air War did everything right...still the benchmark in many ways, especially from the immersion standpoint. Graphics were not significantly lower than other sims...IL2 was released after and bumped things up in that department, and flight modeling, ballistics/damage modeling (at the expense of just about everything else that was important) but most of is went to IL2 because we value those things above all others. WWII Fighters by Janes had better graphics for aircraft, but that's all it had...steaming turd that one. European Air War made me feel like I was flying a WWII fighter IN WWII, including the interface, music, those cool briefings with the map on the wall... Oleg did a lot of great things with IL2 but dropped the standard for immersion below the floor boards... a situation we're still fighting come back from. Really agree, to me IL2 is screaming for more immersion. We got the planes and tech, and some only care about that but for me to really get into it I need the flavor and even the rpg/there's a larger world out there kind of feel. Even some backgrounds for the career mode would be nice. The newspaper is a nice touch, keep going. 3
BraveSirRobin Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Gretsch_Man said: Yeah, I'm also missing those good old games, which were so immersive. A good military flight sim is not only about properly simulating the planes, as important as it is, but in a way been a "pilot sim", too. The “good old games” sucked compared to what we have now.
Gambit21 Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said: The “good old games” sucked compared to what we have now. In some ways yes, in other ways no. It's not a binary equation. 2
Lusekofte Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 old times has passed. Customer base are not the same and probably wont be ever again. There is not enough money in this to keep it one payment. look at GB. They have to produce non stop in order to keep going, they cant rest on work achieved , they must go on for the next one. But this time it is harder, they know expectations are set high and many are set on PTO. I think PTO is too expencive for them at the moment. Sadly I might add. I am really afraid its gonna be Korea and the end of ww2
BraveSirRobin Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gambit21 said: In some ways yes, in other ways no. It's not a binary equation. In all the important ways they are much better now. If lots of people wanted graphically complex briefings with the commanding officer giving a pre-mission rah rah speech and then turning it over to the meteorologist, then that’s what we’d have. But they don’t. I couldn’t scroll past the EAW briefings fast enough. Do I wish we had more activity on the ground that I happen to be flying over? Sure. But I understand why we don’t. But there wasn’t any ground activity back in the good old days, either.
Gambit21 Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said: In all the important ways they are much better now. If lots of people wanted graphically complex briefings with the commanding officer giving a pre-mission rah rah speech and then turning it over to the meteorologist, then that’s what we’d have. But they don’t. I couldn’t scroll past the EAW briefings fast enough. Do I wish we had more activity on the ground that I happen to be flying over? Sure. But I understand why we don’t. But there wasn’t any ground activity back in the good old days, either. Agreed - except for the briefing part...that little aspect really got me in a "I'm a pilot in the 1940's" frame of mind.
Rei-sen Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, No.322_LuseKofte said: There is not enough money in this to keep it one payment. look at GB. I mean when you paid for a particular module - you can play it whenever you want. This is how it is with GB and I hope it stays that way. Time based subscription model sucks.
BraveSirRobin Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gambit21 said: Agreed - except for the briefing part...that little aspect really got me in a "I'm a pilot in the 1940's" frame of mind. I think for most people it happens when they’re sitting in the plane and they look over at the P-51/P-47/109/190 next to them. That’s why there aren’t briefings any more.
Gambit21 Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said: I think for most people it happens when they’re sitting in the plane and they look over at the P-51/P-47/109/190 next to them. That’s why there aren’t briefings any more. Nah, takes more than that. 2
danielprates Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, Gambit21 said: Agreed - except for the briefing part...that little aspect really got me in a "I'm a pilot in the 1940's" frame of mind. "The Mighty Eighth" had the best one. You could even watch the recon video made above the target during briefing.
BraveSirRobin Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gambit21 said: Nah, takes more than that. And yet, here we are. You are almost certainly in the minority. Otherwise we still have briefings.
Rei-sen Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 Huge immersion breaker now is radio comms. Take 1946 for example (although they are not ideal, but still a huge improvement over GB). Everyone is communicating, asking for assistance, cheering up for a successful kill, giving directions, etc. 3
216th_Jordan Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 Storytelling and ambience is important, CFS2 did that very well - also the menu design was very fitting and immersive. CFS2 was always kind of a gold standard for me when it came to this. 1
Rei-sen Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 Here's a good example of immersive radio comms 1
BraveSirRobin Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 If they wanted radio chatter to be realistic it would probably be indecipherable gibberish with people talking over each other. 1
Gambit21 Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said: And yet, here we are. You are almost certainly in the minority. Otherwise we still have briefings. I think a good exercise for you would be to learn, here (and I'm guessing in your real life as well) to concede a point once in a while. Your pathological unwillingness to do so (ever) is...well...pathological. It reduces your presence here to little more than white noise.
BraveSirRobin Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Gambit21 said: I think a good exercise for you would be to learn, here (and I'm guessing in your real life as well) to concede a point once in a while. Your pathological unwillingness to do so (ever) is...well...pathological. Right back at ya! Except in this case, I don’t have to concede anything. All available evidence indicates that I’m right.
Gambit21 Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 1 minute ago, BraveSirRobin said: Except in this case, I don’t have to concede anything. ..:that’s just gold right there...perfect.
BraveSirRobin Posted November 9, 2019 Posted November 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Gambit21 said: ..:that’s just gold right there...perfect. You know what would really make your point. Find an example of you conceding a point. Good luck! In the meantime, don’t get your hopes up for complex briefings. Those days are gone.
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