Skin 4k Fw 190 D9

[sevenless]

Fantastico!

[E69_julian57]

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[sevenless]

Julian, great work. Though I doubt it had a white rudder. Guess yellow would be more appropriate for a 4/1945 plane, like in the sketch of Smith&Creek I posted. AFAIK they only used white tails in 1943 for squadron leaders in defense of reich units. See Graf´s and Grislawskis 109s G6 of JGr 50 or Hackl´s 190 A6 with III./JG 11 of that timeframe.

Edited June 19, 2020 by sevenless

[Madcop]

2 hours ago, sevenless said:

Julian, great work. Though I doubt it had a white rudder. Guess yellow would be more appropriate for a 4/1945 plane, like in the sketch of Smith&Creek I posted. AFAIK they only used white tails in 1943 for squadron leaders in defense of reich units. See Graf´s and Grislawskis 109s G6 of JGr 50 or Hackl´s 190 A6 with III./JG 11 of that timeframe.

 

Hi sevenless

According to pictures of the aircraft in the book "The Focke-Wulf 190 Dora" Vol 1 and 2 from Jerry Crandall, the rudder has the same hue as the white band , white second gruppe bar and  white number 1. Of course , the rudder could also have been very light whitish  RLM 76, but the absence of camo patches on it made it appear lighter compared to the fuselage and tail.

Yellow seems unprobable. 

I like all these good old black and white pictures.....  

 

There is also a picture in Aero Journal N° 51 (March 2016) of black 1 + -- from 6.JG 26, W.Nr. 210972, flown by Oblt. Heinrich Schild to Lister on 5 may 45, (with 4 other aircrafts) showing the same camo scheme, but here the RLM 76 rudder is faintly dabbed with a darker colour. It has the same cylindrical fuel tank as White 1.

 

So ... 

 

Just my 5 cents. 

Madcop?

 

 

[sevenless]

4 minutes ago, Madcop said:

 

Hi sevenless

According to pictures of the aircraft in the book "The Focke-Wulf 190 Dora" Vol 1 and 2 from Jerry Crandall, the rudder has the same hue as the white band , white second gruppe bar and  white number 1. Of course , the rudder could also have been very light whitish  RLM 76, but the absence of camo patches on it made it appear lighter compared to the fuselage and tail.

Yellow seems unprobable. 

I like all these good old black and white pictures.....  

 

There is also a picture in Aero Journal N° 51 (March 2016) of black 1 + -- from 6.JG 26, W.Nr. 210972, flown by Oblt. Heinrich Schild to Lister on 5 may 45, (with 4 other aircrafts) showing the same camo scheme, but here the RLM 76 rudder is faintly dabbed with a darker colour. It has the same cylindrical fuel tank as White 1.

 

So ... 

 

Just my 5 cents. 

Madcop?

 

 

 

Hi thanks, that maybe explains it. Never seen a white rudder in JG 26 to be honest, but who knows what might have happened in those last 4 weeks of ww2.

[Madcop]

With time passing we'll never know, but each year we discover a little more about theory and reality of the field.

One of the last discovery is that this ubiquitous RLM83 has recently been identified on a " Factory official document " as being RLM 83 Dunkle Blau ! A shade being used on parts of maritime aircrafts, and looking strangely like U.S. Sea Blue !  Far away of green .................................LOL.

 

Madcop

 

 

[Pierre64]

A very interesting and recent study (in French) by J.-Claude Mermet about RLM81, 82 and 83 :

http://maquettemaster.forumactif.com/t808-rlm-81-82-et-83
(with a nice photograph of a blue wing float of a trimotor flyingboat Blohm-und-Voss BV 138 !).

 

The dark green shade previously identified as "RLM 83" is a variant of RLM 81 and the real RLM 83 was dark blue...

 

About Luftwaffe colors, all we know is we know nothing ?

[E69_julian57]

http://www.luftwaffeinprofile.se/Dummers lake.html

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[Madcop]

1 hour ago, E69_julian57 said:

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The link doesn't seem to be working 

The mega is down and the media fire tells me it's over my head.

Sorry

 

Maybe due to the absence of the 4th Gruppe identification  "Welle" ( ~) that IV.JG51. used untill the end of the war...? 

Furthermore, the pilot's name and fate of this ac.W.Nr.212133. belonging to 13.JG51. is not known, except that he did an emergency landing due to flak damage.

So, as fate and name is unknown , he could as well has been hit by this more than controversed French pilot....who saw the pilot leaving his aircraft  dragging his parachute only to die in an ambulance....He really has nothing other to do in such circumstances ( Closterman, not the German pilot !)

[E69_julian57]

Now it works. 

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[CUJO_1970]

julian57 what would we do without you? ?

 

Thank you sir!

[sevenless]

10 hours ago, Madcop said:

With time passing we'll never know, but each year we discover a little more about theory and reality of the field.

One of the last discovery is that this ubiquitous RLM83 has recently been identified on a " Factory official document " as being RLM 83 Dunkle Blau ! A shade being used on parts of maritime aircrafts, and looking strangely like U.S. Sea Blue !  Far away of green .................................LOL.

 

Madcop

 

 

 

Agree. There are still some mysteries left to be unraveled. And some surprises left when somehow an authentic temporary color photo might pop up.

[sevenless]

16 hours ago, Madcop said:

 

Maybe due to the absence of the 4th Gruppe identification  "Welle" ( ~) that IV.JG51. used untill the end of the war...? 

Furthermore, the pilot's name and fate of this ac.W.Nr.212133. belonging to 13.JG51. is not known, except that he did an emergency landing due to flak damage.

So, as fate and name is unknown , he could as well has been hit by this more than controversed French pilot....who saw the pilot leaving his aircraft  dragging his parachute only to die in an ambulance....He really has nothing other to do in such circumstances ( Closterman, not the German pilot !)

 

Are we sure that this is indeed a JG 51 plane? IIRC IV./JG 51 at that time was operating NW of Berlin/south of Schwerin from Neustadt-Glewe and roughly North of the River Elbe. The Dümmer lake on the other hand is situated roughly 30km north of Osnabrueck. So my personal guess would be that it is more likely that white 1 might be a 1./JG 26 plane or of another unit operating in the Bremen-Hannover region. The complete absence of the specific "wave" for IV.Gruppe which was present on 13./JG 51 planes (Tänzer, Marquardt, etc.) also makes me suspicious.

[Bremspropeller]

One inaccuracy I noticed is that there are lots of skins that feature the yellow "increased boost" ring on the cowling, that also feature MW50 markings.

Those two markings are exclusive of each other!

 

One example:

Yellow ring on MG-cowling (increased boost indication) and MW50 "V" at the 115l tank filler (above the white 1).

[E69_julian57]

Hello @Bremspropeller

I understand that you can't have both markings at the same time.
I'll change it and thanks for the info.

Edited June 25, 2020 by E69_julian57

[Bremspropeller]

To make things a bot clerarer:

 

I believe I have seen only two or three different Doras with the yellow ring. All the other Doras with increased boost didn't have the ring, but showed a "B4" fuel triangle stencil at the 115l rear fuselage tank (that tank would hold the MW50, when equipped with MW50 boost).

 

MW50 can be indicated by the larger stencil ("V" shaped) or by just putting "MW" (or MW50 or Sonderstoff MW) into the triangle (instead of B4). There were lots of different indications for MW50 - standard or nonstandard...

 

Bottom line: Only very, very few aircraft should have the yellow ring at all.

[E69_julian57]

Hello @Hélice Brems
Well, most of my skins are wearing it
Thanks for the clarification for my next skins.

https://mega.nz/file/UrBiEIJa#cnfTUgaR4XkoHgAlghvD4_1jrCdySGkJ-oohz39VqN8

[Javiercopi]

Beautiful skin!! Gracias 

[sevenless]

Some more Dora 9 inspiration for JG 26 career usage:

 

Black 1 of 6th/JG 26 at Lister/Norway

 

 

 

and Black 10 at Celle (not to be confused with black 10 at Flensburg)

 

 

 

also some plastic kit inspiration of black 10 here:

 

http://www.hyperscale.com/2009/features/fw190d932bs_1.htm

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[E69_julian57]

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[HylaHyla]

Beauty. Thanks so much. Love your work!

[XQ_Lothar29]

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A BIG WORK, my best friend Julian! 

[E69_julian57]

http://www.luftwaffeinprofile.se/Fw 190 D Schreiner JG 54.htm

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[LukeFF]

8 hours ago, E69_julian57 said:

In the workshop 

 

Are there any photos available of this plane? I've never seen a JG 54 D-9 with a blue Reich Defense fuselage band. 

[Numenor225]

Fantastic Julian!!! We miss your beautiful skins!!

Gracias!!

[Madcop]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Are there any photos available of this plane? I've never seen a JG 54 D-9 with a blue Reich Defense fuselage band. 

 

Neither did I !

 

Never heard about that and never seen such a picture of a D-9 at Varrelbusch...I still wish there were some ......

 

I think it's more the expression of a modeller dream....

 

Nice skin anyway ,  but waiting for a proof to put it in the game as " historical "

[E69_julian57]

I have no more information than the Claes Sundin website 

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[sevenless]

Very nice. Here is the story behind all this:

 

http://www.luftwaffeinprofile.se/JG 54 Black Day.html

[Pierre64]

4 minutes ago, E69_julian57 said:

I have no more information than the Claes Sundin website 

One more Nice Long nose ?
According to "Fw 190D Camouflage and Markings - Part 1", by Deboeck, Larger and Poruba, (JaPo, 2005) :

 

"...The available photographic evidence confirms that the blue recognition band was annulled as from the delivery of the first D-9s.

III./JG54 aircraft did not wear the III. Gruppe bar.
When the Gruppe was disbanded on 25 February 1945, and was incorporated in JG 26, all former III./JG 54 aircraft received with immediate effect a black and white tail band".

[E69_julian57]

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[sevenless]

Hi Julian,

 

just came across a profile of a Dora of III./JG 54 of Dortenmanns 12th squadron. Maybe worth a try?

 

Original is published in "Wolf, Manuel. Luftkrieg über Europa 1939 – 1945: Die Angst im Nacken (German Edition) . Dr. Wolf Verlag. Kindle-Version."

 

 

[FurphyForum]

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Could I have some clarification from others as I call into question the Art profile depicting a D model assigned to the IV./JG 3. From what I see / read the IV Gruppe never used D models, only A models; 

 

http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg3.htm

https://www.asisbiz.com/Luftwaffe/jg3.html

 

These two site corroborate what I have stated.

 

@LukeFF, @Pierre64, @Madcop  Could you gents shed some light on this?

 

This skin however, is,  as always excellently reproduced. @E69_julian57

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, FurphyForum said:

Could I have some clarification from others as I call into question the Art profile depicting a D model assigned to the IV./JG 3. From what I see / read the IV Gruppe never used D models, only A models; 

 

http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg3.htm

https://www.asisbiz.com/Luftwaffe/jg3.html

 

These two site corroborate what I have stated.

 

@LukeFF, @Pierre64, @Madcop  Could you gents shed some light on this?

 

Those sites (and BTW, asisbiz is just a ripoff of other websites and doesn't produce any original content) are in error - IV./JG 3 was using Fw 190 D-9s from ~early 1945.

[FurphyForum]

Thanks Luke much appreciated 

 

[SOLIDKREATE]

Juts FYI, RAL8012 was used in place of RLM23 which was called "Rot" but it was a rotbraun in reality. Here's some colors I use for my Luftwaffe birds that I sometimes use a base to vary from or just use the color outright. It really depends how the game engine renders it. Remember these are tactical planes. Over saturation is a an issue sometimes with skins that I see. When your in the color picker you want to imagine a 10% invisible buffer zone. Think about anything outside that zone as "Bleed". Unless that color is specifically called out in the FS 595b in a HEX value or RGB value or directly sampled from a real photo.

 

 

 

 

In this work in progress example of my R4 + --- of 7./JG26 I am using RLM23 sampled from an un-restored Me-262A-1 from the 1960's in a museum. The yellowish areas are RLM99 or a.k.a. RLM76a.

 

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[E69_julian57]

Thanks @Madcop

Edited October 25, 2020 by E69_julian57

[Pierre64]

 

10 hours ago, FurphyForum said:

Could I have some clarification from others as I call into question the Art profile depicting a D model assigned to the IV./JG 3. From what I see / read the IV Gruppe never used D models, only A models; 

 

"In the middle of February 1945, a small number of Fw 190 D-9s were issued to IV.(Sturm)/JG 3, just before Major Bacsila turned over command to Oblt. Romm". 

Source : The Focke Wulf Fw 190 Dora - Volume One, by Jerry Crandall (Eagle Editions, 2007).

 

Edited October 25, 2020 by Pierre64
Masking swastika.

[sevenless]

11 hours ago, FurphyForum said:

 From what I see / read the IV Gruppe never used D models, only A models; 

 

Depends what you have read. However they used Doras from 2/45 onwards. For starters you can read here:

 

BTW. Numbers of staff planes were green, nearly always. Can´t think of any exception to that rule.

 

 

[FurphyForum]

Thanks @Pierre64and @sevenless for your time and info. 

[E69_julian57]

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