Discussion of Bodenplatte, Flying Circus and Tank Crew Announcement...

[LukeFF]

It's going to be like old times again!

 

[PB0_Fuchy]

It would be supremely useful if they just included a little snippet of England (East Anglia) in the map. With a later 8th Air Force expansion it would be possible to perform real raids on proper continental targets (escort missions, etc).  

a "8th Air Force expansion" or a "Bomber Command" expansion could be great. so everyone want fighters for dogfighting

[guidom]

thanks so much guys, have been waiting for the P47 since day one. this has made my day!

 

[jeanba]

I will buy Boldenplatte when the Typhhoon will be available.

The planeset of "Flying Circus" does not interest me

 

So I am disappointed ...

[MrNoice]

In my  Opinion the   "Flying Circus" is a bit of a waste of  productive time.... but yeah its just my opinion

 

... but I will buy it anyways

Edited November 19, 2017 by MrFies

[Trooper117]

It's not a waste of time for many followers of RoF is it... it's not a waste of time if it puts more money into the kitty is it... Do you ever say anything positive?... or is that a waste of time to?... eh?

[I./JG1_Baron]

In my  Opinion the   "Flying Circus" is a bit of a waste of  productive time.... but yeah its just my opinion

 

... but I will buy it anyways

 

Yeah, its only your personal opinion. Other players looking forward to ROF2. Me included.

[ITAF_Rani]

Yeah, its only your personal opinion. Other players looking forward to ROF2. Me included.

I m waiting Rof 2 also...look forward to my beloved Dr1 Edited November 19, 2017 by ITAF_Rani

[MrNoice]

well than play ROF.. its a WW1 game with many planes....  

I would rather see some  B17 and B24 than  WW1 stuff... 

[=FCU=PetSild]

Why must the Rise of Flight die because of a simple Flying Circus? The entire series Box got DX11 and VR for free?

 

 

 

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

I'm happy there are both the 109 G14 and the K4 there. It opens up some options for mid 44 battles along with the 190A8 rather than only late 44/45

[Tbolt47]

This all looks to be very impressive. I'll end up buying all the aircraft based stuff  and may even look at the tanks.

 

I do agree with others though, it needs to be titled Operation Bodenplatte, as all the other Battle of's are places - it's like calling it Battle of Torch or Battle of Overlord, it just doesn't sound right. If they want to keep the battle of, it's should be Battle of Operation Bodenplatte.

Edited November 19, 2017 by Tbolt47

[stiboo]

Pre-ordered...

 

Good luck to the devs with all the new titles...

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Why must the Rise of Flight die because of a simple Flying Circus? The entire series Box got DX11 and VR for free?

 

Development time costs money. Porting over ROF to the new Engine takes development time.

 

If I was a ROF fan, I would be absolutely stoked that my game had just been granted a new opportunity to be brought up to speed rather than left behind.

[Dakpilot]

This all looks to be very impressive. I'll end up buying all the aircraft based stuff  and may even look at the tanks.

 

I do agree with others though, it needs to be titled Operation Bodenplatte, as all the other Battle of's are places - it's like calling it Battle of Torch or Battle of Overlord, it just doesn't sound right. If they want to keep the battle of, it's should be Battle of Operation Bodenplatte.

Whilst that makes perfect sense it unfortunately shortens to BOOB and maybe a marketing home goal

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[=FCU=PetSild]

Development time costs money. Porting over ROF to the new Engine takes development time.

 

If I was a ROF fan, I would be absolutely stoked that my game had just been granted a new opportunity to be brought up to speed rather than left behind.

Rise of Flight has 39 detailed sophisticated aircraft and three a nice map of the first world war.

While it is an older engine is 99% identical to the Box. It is better to fix the ROF when he has so many die-hard fans.

[216th_Peterla]

I'm in. Everything ordered and waiting for the rest. Flying Circus...oh yeah. Tanks...perfect for lone confinement.

Keep up the show.

Regards,

[LLv24_Zami]

I mostly prefer flying but that Tank Warfare can be quite fun if done well. Panthers and Tigers, hell yeah! It will be interesting to see those legends in this game engine. I`ll buy it!

Edited November 19, 2017 by Zami

[J2_Steve]

well than play ROF.. its a WW1 game with many planes....  

I would rather see some  B17 and B24 than  WW1 stuff... 

 

If you want more WWII, then why dont you play IL2:1946 it's a WWII game with many planes 

 

I would rather see a Brisfit and an Albatros than WWII stuff.......

Edited November 19, 2017 by SteveF

[Asgar]

Why must the Rise of Flight die because of a simple Flying Circus? The entire series Box got DX11 and VR for free?

you do realize people buying BoS, BoM and BoK is the only reason they were able to do these updates right? that's what paid for them

[DD_Arthur]

Italy provides fighter duels, close air support, tactical strike and bombing, carrier ops, beach landings, photo-recon missions, bomber interception, dynamic front lines and a lot of action for the tank drivers we'll have amongst us by then.

What's not to like?

 

This.  In spades!

[J2_Steve]

Rise of Flight has 39 detailed sophisticated aircraft and three a nice map of the first world war.

While it is an older engine is 99% identical to the Box. It is better to fix the ROF when he has so many die-hard fans.

 

RoF is no where near BoX now, the BoX series has taken the Digital Nature Engine far beyond what it was with RoF.

 

This gives us RoF fliers the benefit of improved graphics and models, and native VR.

I cant for Flying Circus. I dont see it as a RoF port I see it as a new title.

 

I bought all of BoX in hope that RoF gets a bit of love and it has. 

[zyss]

I just want flyable La-9/La-11, just can be used in Quick Mission will be OK

 

And I also want to know how devleopers get and collect history dates about Tanks to keep them real, as I know, most dates that we can find in English were full of political prejudice to USSR, for example, the hull front of T-34 armor has about 118mm resistance to German 75mm APCBC(http://tankarchives.blogspot.com/2014/04/spare-track-links.html), but many "Western books" think it has only 90+mm, and the same example to USSR losts in WWII, Russia report their losts mean lost times, but most "Western books" understand it as lost numbers, and in fact, only 24.6% Soviet AFVs losts are "true losts" (irreversible losts) in 1944, and in 1945, it was 14.7%.

[Rolling_Thunder]

Why the many posts regarding the name?

"What's in a name? that which we call a rose. By any other name would smell as sweet"

Let it go it's "Battle of Bodenplatte" the experience isnt going to be any better if its called operation.

[Livai]

Let it go it's "Battle of Bodenplatte" the experience isnt going to be any better if its called operation.

 

Operation of Bodenlatte receive the shortcut "OOB" what means Operations Operating Budget...................      

[Nicolaas5000]

Pre-ordered Bodenplatte, ecstatic, thanks for keeping your promise of looking at ROF again!!

Now please excuse me I have to go get that G-6

[[DBS]Prody]

No flyable bomber for us in the next IL title? That's a sad day for the franchise .

[Rolling_Thunder]

No flyable bomber for us in the next IL title? That's a sad day for the franchise .

For a "triple-one fan" you already have 2 in game already. Maybe they should scrap one of the fighters so you can have a third

[Solty]

If you are upset about the name, please read what I said in the original announcement. We are well aware that it was an "operation". I did plenty of research on calling it battle or "The Low-Countries" etc. What I found was that most people equate fighting over the low-countries to the beginning of the war, not the end. Would confuse people. Calling it the Battle of Ardennes with no Ardennes on the map doesn't work either. Bodenplatte is the famous attack associated with this geographic area and this time period. Obviously, much of the air war at this time was about tactical attacks to allow the Allies a way into Germany making a perfect scenario for our style of product and Career system etc.

 

I cant model every facet of the entire war, I need to find ways to fit in what works with the tools I have.

 

Jason

To my understanding the operation's name comes from the idea that Luftwaffe was suppose to grind its bootheel into allied airforces and ground them into foundations. So, bodenplatte itself is not a place, therefore it cannot be 'of'.

[HagarTheHorrible]

If Flying Circus aircraft can be used on any map rather than just the specificly created WW1 map then flying around Kuban will add an interesting element to flying and battling in those vintage crates.

[=FCU=PetSild]

RoF is no where near BoX now, the BoX series has taken the Digital Nature Engine far beyond what it was with RoF.

 

This gives us RoF fliers the benefit of improved graphics and models, and native VR.

I cant for Flying Circus. I dont see it as a RoF port I see it as a new title.

 

I bought all of BoX in hope that RoF gets a bit of love and it has. 

What will be the gameplay with one bomber on each side? This product will not be successful , buy several times Volume X for 80$ plus 20$ bonus plane is a bad business policy. Rise of Flight was unique as the huge range of options.

[Marrond]

While I'm upset about lack of PTO in the next installment of the ever expanding IL2 universe, I feel like upcomming content has extremely strong potential to draw in significant amount of fresh blood to the game. People might not be all that interested in eastern front but this... this is like "Call of Duty" of World War II, in a sense of cattering to western audience. I see this as an excellent opportunity to aim your cannons at War Thunder and snatch people that are being constantly disappointed now for 5 years with Gaijin never delivering any of their promises, refusing to create even resemblence of historical balance. While I like current IL2 business model (I believe it's quite fair, given the quality we're getting and I'm glad that after initial problems we had with you, in the end you stepped up and kept improving the game and didn't devolve into just pushing "more hats" disregarding core game problems - there's still much to be done but keep up the great work!), maybe it's time to go Rise of Flight way? You know, enable one free aircraft for people to try the game out and get familiarized with to, hopefuly, encourage more purchases and grow the playerbase?

 

As much as I love IL2, serious lack of active playerbase is a major issue that IMHO requires immediate attention. After all what's the point of having this excellent piece of art if there's only a handful people to enjoy it with? Even if company is indeed top notch, after a while you know all the names that play regularly.

Edited November 19, 2017 by Marrond

[Legioneod]

Will the P-51 and D-9 have gyro sights? Gonna be interesting to see how they perform.

 

Also if they do have them, how will they work in-game? Since players can change their convergence I wonder if they will be accurate, the gyro sights were set to a specific convergence I think so Im wondering if custom convergence will have an effect.

Edited November 19, 2017 by Legioneod

[J2_Steve]

What will be the gameplay with one bomber on each side? This product will not be successful , buy several times Volume X for 80$ plus 20$ bonus plane is a bad business policy. Rise of Flight was unique as the huge range of options.

RoF came out like that, a Spad and DVa and a few AI, it got built on over time. I think Flying Circus Volume 1 says it all.

Bottom line is that RoF needs updating and I'm so pleased to see that it is getting what it has deserved.

[Rjel]

Rise of Flight has 39 detailed sophisticated aircraft and three a nice map of the first world war.

While it is an older engine is 99% identical to the Box. It is better to fix the ROF when he has so many die-hard fans.

Nothing lasts forever. When DVDs came out, VHS died as Betamax died before it. So it goes with most things. Technology marches on. We can either stay put or move with it.

[szelljr]

I see many ,many " i pre-ordered' this ,pre-ordered that...??..(end?hoo" cares?..)

Here my: bob(or what)-not pre-ordered( 4 planes interested,for me)

Flying c.-not pre...(ROF killer)

Tank... not pre.( not int....)

G6 not pre..bla bla bla bla....  ,ban me ,i dont care ,hate me,dont care...

[Hoots]

I see many ,many " i pre-ordered' this ,pre-ordered that...??..(end?hoo" cares?..)

Here my: bob(or what)-not pre-ordered( 4 planes interested,for me)

Flying c.-not pre...(ROF killer)

Tank... not pre.( not int....)

G6 not pre..bla bla bla bla....  ,ban me ,i dont care ,hate me,dont care...

Right. Ok. Thanks for letting us know?

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Not to ruin your dream, but no Fw 190 A-8 used MW-50 operationally. In 1944 BMW managed to raise boost levels to 1.58ata in 1st gear and 1.65ata in 2nd gear (for 10 minutes but without any fuel or additive injection) simply by refining the engine here and there, but MW-50 never made it beyond the planning or testing stage. Now if you had talked about aircraft with Jumo 213, DB 605 or 603 ...

 

Not to ruin that post: It is false. In order to elaborate:

 

MW-50 was a built-in standard throughout the full series of our A-8 - from the very beginning - it's not even a modification. It was a premise for this heavy plane. Hence the devs don't even need to consider this as an add-on, that could be unloaded. It was one of the defining developments to start the A-8 version with the new engine, led to a new tank behind the pilot (115 l), as well as EC Rüstsatz pushed forward so they could balance the shifted CoG.

 

What you were talking about and what you were mixing it up with could have been different things: Either the C3 injection system (which btw is present in our current A-5 Jagdbomber version), or you were considering the A7, or you were talking about "Erhöhte Notleistung" (increased emergency power) which was series from July 1944 and increased ATA to 1.58 at sealevel and 1.65 at higher altitudes (10 minutes, and achieved up to 2050PS for this flying brick, useable multiple times after cooling the engine). But you were probably thinking about Rüstsatz GM-1, because that would fit your description. But you see, many things to mix it up with. 

 

Here multiple sources on BMW 801 D in the A-8 and its MW-50 system:

- BMW 801 A–C–D–G, MA, ML, Flugmotor und Kommandogerät: Technisches Kompendium, Luftfahrt-Archiv

- Kyrill von Gersdorff, Kurt Grasmann, Helmut Schubert: Flugmotoren und Strahltriebwerke. Bernard & Graefe Verlag, 1995

- Campbell/Greer, 1976, page 38

- FW Flugbericht der Fw190 A-5/U-8 / Werknummer 1428 vom 8.6.43

- Jet und Prop 1/2010, „Die Leistungssteigerung beim BMW 801 D in der Fw 190“, page 28

 

Looking forward to the A-8 with MW-50 as standard, and Increased Emergency Power to up to 1.65 at altitude as addon. Salute! 

 

 

TL;DR

Elaboration and five sources for reference why FW190 A-8's BMW 801 D engine had MW-50 in its series, from day alpha to day omega. 

 

 

Best regards

 

Fenris

 

 

 

P.S. Guys, you might want to order the new pack plus the two collector planes as soon as possible. They might be able to possibly expand their team earlier! 

 

Edit: Removed gloating.

Edited November 19, 2017 by 2./JG51_Fenris_Wolf

[J2_Jakob]

pre-ordered BoBo to support the dev team... Looking forward to FC!

[LukeFF]

While it is an older engine is 99% identical to the Box. It is better to fix the ROF when he has so many die-hard fans.

And how exactly do you expect 1CGS to pay for that "fix"?

 

My goodness, it never ceases to amaze me how there is this segment of people in the flightsim community that always want something for nothing.

 

EDIT: And no, the code is no longer "99% identical" to BoS.

Edited November 19, 2017 by LukeFF