Tactical Air War

[KoN_]

20 hours ago, DerSheriff said:

Not gonna lie. this current who-is-gonna-form-the-larger-raid meta is kinda boring. Both teams have their 20 man blob and is attacking some airfield. The rest of the map is just dead.
There is action two times per mission somewhere on the map, but if you aren't flying in large blob yourself you wont be able to do much anyway.

So you either end up in a massive fight, or you fly for 2h and maaybe can discharge your guns twice. And no, I am not flying in space all the time. 

 

I agree with you , But With the large stacking system that was against Reds the only way to fly on this server is in large groups . Fly alone and your easy meat . 

There are no moving targets and its all static ,which is easy for any small group to sit above and circle around . 

So safety in numbers plays its part here . Well you would of thought that would be the case . Some times it just arnt So . 

 

 

 

 

[AKA_Relent]

29 minutes ago, KoN_ said:

I agree with you , But With the large stacking system that was against Reds the only way to fly on this server is in large groups . Fly alone and your easy meat . 

There are no moving targets and its all static ,which is easy for any small group to sit above and circle around . 

So safety in numbers plays its part here . Well you would of thought that would be the case . Some times it just arnt So . 

 

 

 

 

The addition of defenses at non-attacked front line locations/airfields has helped.  Anything that provides more targets and allows the action to be spread is welcomed (by me at least  ).  

[FTC_Kongoo]

22 hours ago, DerSheriff said:

Not gonna lie. this current who-is-gonna-form-the-larger-raid meta is kinda boring. Both teams have their 20 man blob and is attacking some airfield. The rest of the map is just dead.
There is action two times per mission somewhere on the map, but if you aren't flying in large blob yourself you wont be able to do much anyway.

So you either end up in a massive fight, or you fly for 2h and maaybe can discharge your guns twice. And no, I am not flying in space all the time. 

 

Tell Jason to get the air marshall out

[Cpt_Siddy]

May i suggest a wonderful server, where you can find easy targets and people fly pants on their head.

 

Wings of duty: Call of Liberty 

[FTC_DerSheriff]

We are on coms.. including acg on srs. Dont jump to conclusions.. we are there. In the blob...

Dunno about the toxicity just because I formulated a opinion. Cant we discus about that without personal threats and crap?

I see myself out and play the server until I do not. 

[Chivas_Regal]

Instead of being a lone food for the blue hunters, the red team players in this campaign join forces to effectively achieve a common goal. This is a great example of the evolution of the team game on the server.

[Coldman]

Yesterday a blob smashed with blob over Rhzev depot. Thanks to 110s blob that drop their mission and intercept russian blob LG joined and they paid hard price for attacking extra depot. Nice fight there both sides.

[todeskvlt]

Edited October 27, 2020 by =LG=todeskvlt

[Operatsiya_Ivy]

9 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

Hydra don't play well with others in axis. yadayada... people will have to walk on eggshells to not offend their delicate sensibilities [...] This leaves virtually everyone who fly after 3 and 1/2 pint of Guiness  firmly in 'rude boi' category. And don't get me started with most Australian flyboys, you cheeky cu...

 

It's funny that you point that out while literally hundreds of people are online on our discord without any drama. Meanwhile there are only ~20 people banned, deleted accounts included. So i wonder why someone like you got banned who can apparently never let an opportunity slide to blatantly and pathetically flame bate us whenever we post something here. Seems like your ban hurt you very bad emotionally. Now its time to wear your big boy pants and live with the fact that we don't like you. We on the other hand can live with you don't liking us but you don't see us flame bating/insulting you every chance we get.

 

2 hours ago, =LG=Coldman said:

Yesterday a blob smashed with blob over Rhzev depot. Thanks to 110s blob that drop their mission and intercept russian blob LG joined and they paid hard price for attacking extra depot. Nice fight there both sides.

 

I said it already, but just for the record, i enjoy this form of organization of players. However, this particular raid is different from the ones i consider problematic. Again, not because of the number of players involved but because it leaves the defenders hardly any chance to defend.

The rhzev depot (warehouse) was not what i consider a successful defense, even though we made the attackers pay heavily. I called out the attack because they got spotted just ~40km east of it and i communicated it vehemently to the others to form a defense calling out enemy positions in the process. A random position called it our just behind the frontline. A lot of people reacted quickly to it, literally dropping what they were planning to do and joined the defense. Yet, a Bomb drop and a lot of damage was not possible to prevent against the depot even though it is located very far behind the frontline. Could the attack been spotted earlier? probably and with that a defense could have been more effective.

However, considering the target location, it seems very clear that defending an objective close to the frontline in the current scenario is impossible.

 

Edited October 27, 2020 by Operation_Ivy

[Chivas_Regal]

In fact, the warehouse was destroyed during the second raid in the same mission. The first attack of the red team was successfully repelled by the blue side.

But why didn't anyone cover the target a second time? This is not a spotting problem, but an organization problem. Probably someone was very bored to guard the entire mission one of the most important target on the map

The red side warehouse can be destroyed in the same way as the blue side warehouse. No one has an advantage here. It's just that one team did it and the other didn't

[Operatsiya_Ivy]

genuine question, what do you consider "successfully repelled"? The warehouse got damaged badly in the first attack and plane/pilot losses aren't a factor this map it seems. I consider it a successful attack despite the quick reaction from the axis side and the losses afflicted to the raid. I also don't think anyone is disputing it that there should have been defenders against the second raid, which was obvious to happen and which i called out after i logged off.

 

But again, objectives in close proximity to the frontline are not possible to defend against big raids. That's the main issue, not objectives that are 40km behind it. In fact, what happened yesterday was something i'd like to see for frontline objectives as well. The raid got spotted at a reasonable distance and gave the defender a chance to defend.

 

[FTC_Kongoo]

Why don´t we just save our breaths here and start a flame war on the devs for putting time and effort on the AA collector vehicles instead of fleshing out the Air Marshall asap? If it delivers the way most of us imagine, and with SRS it should allow an increased chance to intercept the blobjobs. Blobs have always been in taw, only now with SRS it is easier to organize, yet still presents its challenges. We did one attacking a base with around 20 players involved, that took a while to get going lol.

 

 

It was only the blob that allowed the LW to have local air superiority and CAS in Barbarossa

 

[Chivas_Regal]

30 minutes ago, Operation_Ivy said:

genuine question, what do you consider "successfully repelled"? The warehouse got damaged badly in the first attack and plane/pilot losses aren't a factor this map it seems.

Our bombers managed to destroy only a few buildings for the first time, until they were prevented and forced to retreat. This can be seen from the statistics. The second time, they calmly destroyed the target until they ran out of bombs. I don't see any problem with this target. Everyone knows its importance, everyone sees where it is, why did the blue team decide to do other things instead of protecting it? Why did the blue side decide to do other things instead of destroying the red warehouse in response? The front line in this game is mobile. And the fact that the warehouse was close is the result of the red team's game. Previously, on the map of Stalingrad, a red warehouse appeared near the Shkolny airfield, and it was unfair. And now all the warehouses appear in the deep rear. Protect them and destroy them, the result of the game depends on the actions of the sides only.

Edited October 27, 2020 by =2ndSS=Lawyer1

[ACG_Jaydog]

The problem blue side always has, is that it has too many wanna be Hartmanns, not enough bombers doing dirty work. The Reds seem to have an endless supply of tanks because no one is hitting the red depots. If Blue side wants to have any chance to win , it must blob the depots and destroy the supply chain. Take a bunch of bombers and escorts and finish off the damn depots!

[THERION]

2 minutes ago, ACG_Jaydog said:

The problem blue side always has, is that it has too many wanna be Hartmanns, not enough bombers doing dirty work. The Reds seem to have an endless supply of tanks because no one is hitting the red depots. If Blue side wants to have any chance to win , it must blob the depots and destroy the supply chain. Take a bunch of bombers and escorts and finish off the damn depots!

 

Exactly! Although I do not fly on the blue side, I regularly observe this phenomenon - red side seems to be more tactical and use bombers, as for the blue ones they only hunt

down enemies and bother about their personal statistics.

[ACG_Jaydog]

Therion, its true. I think blue pilots who only fly around as fighters are just one trick ponys. I have decided personaly to fly mostly 110s and do dirty work for blue side this campaign and it is all for nothing seems. As soon as we kill all the tanks and beat reds back, i wake up to see all ground gained lost 12 hours later because people are more worried about being top ace and not top bomber or tank killers

[Operatsiya_Ivy]

@=2ndSS=Lawyer1 you seem to misunderstand me. I don't see a problem with this specific target either. However there is a problem with airfields being too close to each other resulting in many of the mentioned problems but i have said everything on it already and i won't comment on it further.

 

@ACG_Jaydog  @THERION it is not about what each side should/could do better. It is a general problem that affects both sides. The Red side is even at a disadvantage here. Stop thinking in drawers. You have the same people on both sides with many of them switching each campaign. You see as many migs flying "hartmann style" as 109s. If you see a difference it is mostly due to each side having different capabilities rather than them being a different kind of player. Thinking in drawers like this makes this thread so toxic because you don't focus on the broader picture. It is easy to simply blame the other side doing things wrong and in turn making you look great but in reality it is not true.

 

[FTC_Kongoo]

13 minutes ago, Operation_Ivy said:

@=2ndSS=Lawyer1 you seem to misunderstand me. I don't see a problem with this specific target either. However there is a problem with airfields being too close to each other resulting in many of the mentioned problems but i have said everything on it already and i won't comment on it further.

 

@ACG_Jaydog  @THERION it is not about what each side should/could do better. It is a general problem that affects both sides. The Red side is even at a disadvantage here. Stop thinking in drawers. You have the same people on both sides with many of them switching each campaign. You see as many migs flying "hartmann style" as 109s. If you see a difference it is mostly due to each side having different capabilities rather than them being a different kind of player. Thinking in drawers like this makes this thread so toxic because you don't focus on the broader picture. It is easy to simply blame the other side doing things wrong and in turn making you look great but in reality it is not true.

 

What you don´t see as often as on the red side, Ivy, are the  fighters providing effective escort for ground attackers and as frequently, meaning being 1-2k above instead and organized instead of CAP at 6k at the frontline. And hartmann style is definitely a problem, and i¨m going to start with you lot. How many ground attack sorties as a group have you made?

Edited October 27, 2020 by ACG_Vietkong

[Chivas_Regal]

51 minutes ago, Operation_Ivy said:

there is a problem with airfields being too close to each other

If you don't like that the enemy airfields are too close, then you can destroy them and then the working airfields will be further away

[Operatsiya_Ivy]

1 hour ago, ACG_Vietkong said:

What you don´t see as often as on the red side, Ivy, are the  fighters providing effective escort for ground attackers and as frequently, meaning being 1-2k above instead and organized instead of CAP at 6k at the frontline. And hartmann style is definitely a problem, and i¨m going to start with you lot. How many ground attack sorties as a group have you made?

 

Funny considering that just yesterday the majority or a big part of the red escort was flying at 7-8k while the ground attackers were at ~1k...

So you are a hartmann if you don't do ground attacks? I am afraid I can't quite follow your logic. However I have done quite a lot of escort sorties and you will not find me at contrail altitude unless to keep some migs busy up there so the ground attackers are safe like a few days ago.

 

If you want to feel superior because of you supposedly doing better..go ahead, I don't care. I discuss the general meta and gameplay and I won't join a petty discussion on which side is playing more gloriously any further.

 

34 minutes ago, =2ndSS=Lawyer1 said:

If you don't like that the enemy airfields are too close, then you can destroy them and then the working airfields will be further away

 

Like i said before, they are still an objective which spawns defenses etc and acts as a radar. But this is getting nowhere because we are arguing on different levels.

Edited October 27, 2020 by Operation_Ivy

[ACG_Jaydog]

12 minutes ago, Operation_Ivy said:

 

Funny considering that just yesterday the majority or a big part of the red escort was flying at 7-8k while the ground attackers were at ~1k...

So you are a hartmann if you don't do ground attacks? I am afraid I can't quite follow your logic. However I have done quite a lot of escort sorties and you will not find me at contrail altitude unless to keep some migs busy up there so the ground attackers are safe like a few days ago.

 

If you want to feel superior because of you supposedly doing better..go ahead, I don't care. I discuss the general meta and gameplay and I won't join a petty discussion on which side is playing more gloriously any further.

 

 

Like i said before, they are still an objective which spawns defenses etc and acts as a radar. But this is getting nowhere because we are arguing on different levels.

 

You are not a Hartmann at contrail altitude...as a matter of fact, it is pretty useless to be "escorting" at contrail in general. Who exactly are you going to bounce and surprise in contrails? Almost no one unless they are on autopilot making a sandwich. 

 

As I said before....blue depots are 100% destroyed......blue side fails to bomb effectively and doesnt coordinate to take red depots out limiting the supply chain and never ending tanks spawning near blue airfields. Every single campaign it is the same old story. Too many fighters, not enough bombers

[=FSG=FRITZ]

An example of tonight. Flies 18 blue and one red. Red was knocked down, he came out, a few more blues came in. I write in the chat: "Destroy the warehouses while there is no resistance. Why cut the tentacles of an octopus, if you can hit him in the eye?" I get the answer: "You're right, fly and bomb." And then the blues rested their horns on the red tanks and sawed them one by one until the end of the mission. And so everyone did not cut. It is very sad. We will never win like that.

[FTC_Kongoo]

36 minutes ago, Operation_Ivy said:

 

Funny considering that just yesterday the majority or a big part of the red escort was flying at 7-8k while the ground attackers were at ~1k...

So you are a hartmann if you don't do ground attacks? I am afraid I can't quite follow your logic. However I have done quite a lot of escort sorties and you will not find me at contrail altitude unless to keep some migs busy up there so the ground attackers are safe like a few days ago.

 

If you want to feel superior because of you supposedly doing better..go ahead, I don't care. I discuss the general meta and gameplay and I won't join a petty discussion on which side is playing more gloriously any further.

 

 

Like i said before, they are still an objective which spawns defenses etc and acts as a radar. But this is getting nowhere because we are arguing on different levels.

Lol

Well, the those ground attackers probably got ripped to shreds and deservingly sobecause of the escort doing it wrong. You are hartmann if you can´t be asked to do some ground attack or at least cover them, for the sake of being untouchable and racking up kill streaks. And unfortunately, there are waay more of those on blue side. 

Nothing glorious escorting low level ground attack planes, however it is suprisingly fun and challenging . But that´s ok because the meta of bouncing lone wolves for kill streaks is clearly the superior form of gameplay and fun.

 i´m just voicing my opinion, just like you.

Edited October 27, 2020 by ACG_Vietkong

[ACG_Jaydog]

5 minutes ago, =FSG=FRITZ said:

An example of tonight. Flies 18 blue and one red. Red was knocked down, he came out, a few more blues came in. I write in the chat: "Destroy the warehouses while there is no resistance. Why cut the tentacles of an octopus, if you can hit him in the eye?" I get the answer: "You're right, fly and bomb." And then the blues rested their horns on the red tanks and sawed them one by one until the end of the mission. And so everyone did not cut. It is very sad. We will never win like that.

 This is exactly what I am talking about. 

[Psyrion]

On 10/25/2020 at 1:57 PM, =LG=todeskvlt said:

New things are coming... slowly.

 

Looks very cool!

[2/JG26_rudidlo]

Can I ask admins on behalf of my friend?
He flew bombing mission against enemy airfield, destroyed four hangars, but he didn't get any of them in mission log.
Track is available.

[KoN_]

18 hours ago, ACG_Smokejumper said:

 

 

Where you one of the people who ruined team play in Combat Box by calling teamwork a blob? It's always been whoever forms the biggest raid wins since Cliffs of Dover and probably IL2 before that but I didn't play it.

 

D-Rock and the 69th used to put on massive ATAG raids triggering huge fights. It takes coordinated effort from many people across the globe. When I was blue and saw them forming we would set up counter raids and have 50 man scraps.

 

The lone wolf bounce masters hate it and whine. Please tell me you're not one of the bounce kings who hate teamwork so much you ruin it for others.....

 

TAW has always been difficult for lone flying. Maybe if you flew with ACG instead of doing your own thing you'd be enjoying some team play too. Some of us long timers also take offense to you enjoying campaign while having one foot out the door....

 

We have Anglos and Germans all rammed into channel..... Where the hell are you? You don't even wear our fucking tags......

 

This here is some BS.

 

http://taw.stg2.de/squad_stats.php?name=Hydra Squadron

 

instead of

 

http://taw.stg2.de/squad_stats.php?name=Air Combat Group Axis

 

Now you're in here whining about blobs. There is a 34 man blob who you could have turned into a 44 man blue blob but you keep doing you mate.

So i guess you not heard of Sheriff .. ?

OR seen his videos or seen him flying with ACG . ?

or heard about his wing-men . ?

Just pulling your chain . 

[FTC_Prancing]

Imagine trying to demotivate people from flying big flights in coordination with other squadrons in a server called Tactical Air War.. ?

like if with complaints you can change the way people decide to fly and have fun flying

[FTC_DerSheriff]

Let me just finish my part with the comment, that I have nothing against larger flights and coordination. But the map design could feature more diverse targets for more spread out action.

 

Or alternatively somekind of radar for larger formations as they cross the frontline.

 

Again I am NOT against coordinating against those targets. But more targets behind the lines so the coordination is about who attacks which target. That is my opinion and I dont expect it to be implemented actually since it hasn't changed one bit for years. If you don't like my thought. Fine, tell me that in a civil way. I don't get why I get mocked for expressing an opinion.

You guys deliberately misinterpreted my words. 

Mind you that I fly both sides.  I am on srs all the time and we are communicating with JG4 and everyone else on there.

Like today as we rounded you up. We will continue to do that until you won't like it yourself. Forgo all glory and shit.

Last post for quite a while. What mess.

 

Master bouncer out. God ffs.

 

 his wife is also playing a lot. @=LG=Kathon maybe some action? 

Edited October 27, 2020 by DerSheriff

[Cpt_Siddy]

35 minutes ago, DerSheriff said:

 

 

 his wife is also playing a lot. @=LG=Kathon maybe some action? 

 

You have to ask his wife if she wants some group action, not Kathon.

[E69_Qpassa_VR]

47 minutes ago, DerSheriff said:

Let me just finish my part with the comment, that I have nothing against larger flights and coordination. But the map design could feature more diverse targets for more spread out action.

 

Or alternatively somekind of radar for larger formations as they cross the frontline.

 

Again I am NOT against coordinating against those targets. But more targets behind the lines so the coordination is about who attacks which target. That is my opinion and I dont expect it to be implemented actually since it hasn't changed one bit for years. If you don't like my thought. Fine, tell me that in a civil way. I don't get why I get mocked for expressing an opinion.

You guys deliberately misinterpreted my words. 

Mind you that I fly both sides.  I am on srs all the time and we are communicating with JG4 and everyone else on there.

Like today as we rounded you up. We will continue to do that until you won't like it yourself. Forgo all glory and shit.

Last post for quite a while. What mess.

 

Master bouncer out. God ffs.

 

 his wife is also playing a lot. @=LG=Kathon maybe some action? 

I also feel envy of @KOSMATIX, I wish my wife would play with me ?

Edited October 27, 2020 by E69_Qpassa_VR

[ACG_Smokejumper]

12 hours ago, ACG_Jaydog said:

 

You are not a Hartmann at contrail altitude...as a matter of fact, it is pretty useless to be "escorting" at contrail in general.

 

Hartmann got air kills. Stop insulting Hartmann he was a great pilot.  

[Cpt_Siddy]

Its Wednesday my dudes!

[ACG_Smokejumper]

8 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

 

And lastly, before i drop the issue for now, i have no problem being "this guy" when everyone else succumb to group think. Ze ebul nozis were not evil because they were called nozis, they were evil because they let colossal group think take over an smoldered opposing ideas as verboten. The modern term "troll" and "flame bating" at people who disagrees with you is just very old ideas of speech suppression dressed as 'polite society'. I have no desire to be liked by the likes of you, at this point, but i do miss flying with one person in your group i wont name because i know for a fact you will give shit to him for it. 

 

 

 

I survived the iron curtain, the post.

[Giovanni_Giorgio]

Meanwhile, thanks to all Red pilots for fighting until the very end to earn a hard fought and decisive victory on Map #3!

[Operatsiya_Ivy]

@ACG_Smokejumper jesus, i get where your reputation among your peers stems from now...why all the hate? did your mommy forget to give you a sweet good night kiss yesterday? ?

[ACG_Thaine]

On 10/27/2020 at 3:56 AM, ACG_Smokejumper said:

 

 

ACG is rather hardcore with our free speech. When people act delicate we usually gang up on them until they quit. It's not something we do on purpose it just happens. We lost more than a few last election due to their own sensitivity. Best part was our leaders really dislike orange man but free speech is free speech we can't kick dudes out because they like a politician... The tantrums where epic.

 

With so many members if we allow the thin skinned to ruin it with whining it will ruin 10 years of work. Our original leader would rip into whiners the hardest. Solid gold material out of Dickie/Osprey. One of his characters was a hard core Naaahtzeee. We have some really tasteless/hilarious after action reports.

 

I'm just annoyed that we have a new group who appears to have joined ACG to add unique content to their Youtube channel. If they wore tags mid week with some pride in our organization I would not be left with the impression that we have a bunch of disloyal 5th columnists inside our club. A club I've dedicated nearly five years to. In our organization 5 years is still a rookie.

 

I like your last sentence Siddy. While others whine you and I see a good fight developing.

 

 

off topic/

What's this Iron Cross bruuhaha?

 

edit

 

lel

 

 

 

Indeed, at ACG we value free speech very much and put our hope in self moderation. There's only one rule really "Don't be a dick". Additionally, with about 150 members you get quite a variety of characters and opinions. I always tell new members before they join that they might encounter opinions and posts they do not like, and if they are offended by other opinions they might run into trouble.

 

We, as ACG, do not really gang up on delicate ones. Smoke and some other members, those that enjoy mud-fights and flame-wars, will jump on flammable threads like politics, religion etc. "because they see a good fight developing". The idea behind self moderation is that in such cases not a moderator, but other members will jump in and tell people off if they cross the line. I.e. somebody will tell Smoke to shut up and that he's behaving like a dick. It has worked reasonable well over the past 7-8 years. But of course sometimes we get members that have a problem with those threads but are not able to stay clear of them and ultimately leave. Best thing is really to just not engage in them at all and just to enjoy the flying.

 

Otherwise we proud ourselves of being really friendly and welcoming to new pilots, regardless of skill and experience.

 

Anyway, that's a TAW thread, not an ACG thread so I stop it here.

 

Keep up the good work TAW team. A lot of our members enjoy your server, with or without tags ;).

 

Edited October 28, 2020 by ACG_Thaine

[I./ZG1_Badger1-1]

Back to server related topics: 

 

Im not complaining about the skill of the AAA, but the number of times Im getting 1 shot killed by heavy aaa in about 2k with 400kmh+ is really getting on my nerves.

 

I wonder if the reds have similar accounts with the 8.8 flak. ( I have the feeling the blue aaa is doing not a good Job)

 

My proposal: reduce the amount of random Troops spawnpoints. I usually see 2-3 cramped together around in some square KMs. Or maybe reduce the skill of these aaa units

 

Yes you could change altitude all the time and change course, but I wasnt even flying straight and level but rather looking around for the target...and just one boom and you are dead.. great

 

Ps: This was in a 110, so Im not a Ju88 in 2k over a Depot. I was just over the frontline and looking for the target

Edited October 28, 2020 by III./ZG1_HeTzeR

[Giovanni_Giorgio]

7 minutes ago, III./ZG1_HeTzeR said:

I wonder if the reds have similar accounts with the 8.8 flak. ( I have the feeling the blue aaa is doing not a good Job)

I was killed out of nowhere by 8.8 multiple times. What I find more bizarre, is its ability get hits at 100m alt at fast moving planes. Happened more than once.

[FTC_DerSheriff]

Was a good fight yesterday. Looking forward to get planes with more guns, because the amount of hits you need for one Il2 is quite considerable.
Half of the Squad flies now with skillpods for supreme demolishment.