Tactical Air War

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Yes, this must get fixed. Maybe it can be done before we get to map #2. ?

[CisTerDRock]

Why no tech-tip box in this one? It's a real game killer not having it.

 

 

Edited August 3, 2020 by D-Rock

[ACG_Jaydog]

I gotta say, i'm quite disappointed in the current TAW campaign....I think i'm done flying it. It's no fun...almost as bad as couple years ago having to warm your planes engines up 15 minutes in winter before take off...All of a sudden, I cannot even get planes off the ground....I'm by no  means inexperienced with the stick, but FW-190 A8, He111, Ju-52s...all end up with crashes on take off. It's ridiculous not having technochat to read your settings as well prior to take off. 

[I/JG53_Gadich]

Absolutely not interesting without techchat and gps on map.

It is not hardcore buddies, it is stupidity to say that it is hardcore - 99% didn't try hardcore flying(in real life). And don't understand how it is feeling.

[2/JG26_rudidlo]

2 hours ago, CSW_Hot_Dog said:

Not quite so. This server is not for casual players, this is Champion League. I like it off and dont want to be disadvantaged by others, who has it on...

How champions choose which bobs they will drop first (underbelly/under wings) and if they will fall in pair or by just one?

16 minutes ago, ACG_Jaydog said:

I gotta say, i'm quite disappointed in the current TAW campaign....I think i'm done flying it. It's no fun...almost as bad as couple years ago having to warm your planes engines up 15 minutes in winter before take off...All of a sudden, I cannot even get planes off the ground....I'm by no  means inexperienced with the stick, but FW-190 A8, He111, Ju-52s...all end up with crashes on take off. It's ridiculous not having technochat to read your settings as well prior to take off. 

It's caused by the fact, that airfields in Netherlands are 1500 meters above sea level. No one knows why.

[ACG_Jaydog]

24 minutes ago, 1stCL/rudidlo said:

How champions choose which bobs they will drop first (underbelly/under wings) and if they will fall in pair or by just one?

It's caused by the fact, that airfields in Netherlands are 1500 meters above sea level. No one knows why.

 

 

At the end of the day, this Campaign should be fun. It shouldn't be made that "realistic"...It's no fun when you are losing planes that you fly regularly on takeoff. It is going to drive numbers down and limit it to a bunch of one trick ponies. Spotting is shit as is in this game...add the extra handicaps...well it just isn't worth the time

Edited August 3, 2020 by ACG_Jaydog
adding to it

[FTC_Knipser]

@=LG=Kathon Maybe you should just suspend the ongoing campaign and fix the problems with the airpressure and the durability values of the indestructable targets. Even if it would take you a few days, it's probably worth the wait.

[ACG_Jaydog]

27 minutes ago, 1stCL/rudidlo said:

How champions choose which bobs they will drop first (underbelly/under wings) and if they will fall in pair or by just one?

It's caused by the fact, that airfields in Netherlands are 1500 meters above sea level. No one knows why.

 

 

Weird....no problems taking off from Netherland fields on Combat Box ....

[FTC_DerSheriff]

Yeah i think I am done here for now. Nothing personal but kathon and team seems a little too detached from the game at the moment. The plane set is more than questionable and there are some game breaking bugs.

 

In the last western taw we had so much feedback. And the current planet reflects absolutely nothing of that feedback. *Sad sheriff noises*

Edited August 3, 2020 by DerSheriff

[RavN_Alienzo]

I would like to report a willful friendly fire. During the mission below, the fourth FW-190 joined us while we were flying a 3x FW-190 squadron. Everything happened on the way back, near our airport. After 2 minutes of flying with us in close formation, the CRNI_Gruf player opened fire on my wingman. It is obvious that I am rejecting any mistake FF here.

 

This Friendly Fire was a manifestation of childish and malicious behavior.

 

https://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=2989&name=RavN_czarek90

Edited August 3, 2020 by RavN_Alienzo

[Coldman]

Is the plane set favorizing anybody?

IT looks balanced and semi historical acurate(metalhead explained our attitude). Allies Has slightly advantage with tempest on 1st map. Germans will have huge advantage on second map.

 

We are looking at altitude/pressure problem (we probably adressed the issue)

 

indestructable trucks we are looking at it.

 

Lack of british faction is on progress (kathon spend a lot od time changing russians to americans-tons od script had to be manually checked) we are conisdering spliting allies factions then you will have to choose you fly RAF or USAF.probably after BON map realese or more planes.

Edited August 3, 2020 by =LG=Coldman

[SCG_motoadve]

Enjoying not having  tech chat actually, and mistakes yes , its there so you learn to read your airplane gauges, making it more a sim than a game, some planes can be hard , like bombers /twins trying to feather an engine,  but dont understand a FW having problems , its fully automatized.

Historically German planes had the advantage of less workload for the pilot with automatic systems, no tech chat, gives that advantage to the Germans for the first time, less workload for a pilot its big. 

 

Watch a video in Youtbe of the planes you will be flying, in 30 minutes you will know them to fly without tech chat.

Doesnt take long.

[=LG/F=Kathon]

The altitude/pressure problem has been probably fixed. I can't check it because I'm currently on holidays far away from my pc. I'll be back next week and then be able to check the indestructible truck problem.

 

So maybe its a good idea to stop this campaign and start the new one in the next week?

 

 

[=BES=Senor_Jefe]

I agree with all complaints except for technochat.  For 90%, it's a crutch.  For only selecting bomb drop intervals, yes it's an issue, but did the p47 pilots have that control in real life?  I know they couldn't edit fuses on the fly.  

 

If you don't like technochat and gps being off, then go fly WoL.  Nobody would think less of you.  But this server removes many of the handicaps that make many servers gamey, and that is something many of us appreciate.  Just because it's not for you doesn't mean it's wrong.

[VBF-12_Snake9]

Don't matter to me, but many are not being truthful.  

Do you not think that real life pilots would use touch and feel for levers.  IE one finger gap 90%, two finger gap 80% and so on.  This looking/staring at lever placement is ridiculous.  It's less real.  Let me say again, it is less realistic.  ? 

[BraveSirRobin]

If tech chat isn’t shut off in TAW, then there was absolutely no point for the devs to make that change.  It should definitely be off.

[VBF-12_Snake9]

Sorry wouldn't let me edit my post...

 

 When "real" pilot got into a dogfight and ended up near the deck, do you think he "looked at" his supercharger lever or .... maybe he felt the lever was forward without moving his eyes.   ?

Edited August 3, 2020 by VBF-12_Snake9

[=BES=Senor_Jefe]

38 minutes ago, VBF-12_Snake9 said:

Sorry wouldn't let me edit my post...

 

 When "real" pilot got into a dogfight and ended up near the deck, do you think he "looked at" his supercharger lever or .... maybe he felt the lever was forward without moving his eyes.   ?

No, real pilots confirm with their hands that all levers are full forward.  Maybe I’m spoiled for having a lever for throttle, mix, and rpm/prop.  Then when out of combat they reduce power using gauges as needed.

 

Again, it’s an opinion, but I believe one that was previously voted on.  If it doesn’t suit you, the door’s on the left.

 

P.S.  -  I use a Saitek throttle quadrant in VR.  People drop $70 on a new BoX module in 0.65 seconds, but won't do themselves a favor and spend $60 on this.... makes these arguments ts null and void if you aren't willing to help yourself before trying to change an entire server for hundreds (sometimes of thousands) of registered pilots.

Edited August 3, 2020 by =BES=Senor_Jefe

[SCG_motoadve]

A throttle is recommended for flying with no tech chat, $60 you can get a used one, I have one for sale

 

 

[CisTerDRock]

Your situational awareness is much better in real life than it is in this game. Nor can you 'feel' things the same way, ei. wind, vibrations, visual scanning,... The technochat helps make up for that missing gap.

 

If the consensus is for not having the technochat, then by all means, the few of us should be ignored for the benefit of the rest.  

 

It does alienate pilots like myself who fly all different planes, on different sides each campaign.  I'm not getting the practice time in lately, so that's my fault, too.

 

 

I'll sit this one out, instead of getting frustrated.

Edited August 4, 2020 by D-Rock

[VBF-12_Snake9]

?

I pointed out the obvious.  

By the way, I have warthog with extension, rudder pedals, and two saitek throttle quadrates.  Everything is mapped to axis.  Doesn't make your poor argument any better.  ?

 

Your opinion would be correct if you said it is more difficult.  But it is not correct stating more realistic.  

Edited August 4, 2020 by VBF-12_Snake9

[=BES=Senor_Jefe]

8 minutes ago, D-Rock said:

Your situational awareness is much better in real life than it is in this game. Nor can you 'feel' things the same way, ei. wind, vibrations, visual scanning,... The technochat helps make up for that missing gap.

 

If the consensus is for not having the technochat, then by all means, the few of us should be ignored for the benefit of the rest.  

 

It does alienate pilots like myself who fly all different planes, on different sides each campaign.  I'm not getting the practice time in lately, so that's my fault, too.

 

 

I'll sit this one out, instead of getting frustrated.

I fly every single plane minus Ju-52, and seem to do just fine.  There's no need to overcomplicate this shit guys.  In combat, go full forward on everything.  Your battle won't last more than 5 min (unless you've really screwed up), then reduce power with gauges.  

 

Can't remember the engine settings? There's a mod that replaces the photo with engine management info. 

 

Guys, I'm a REALLY BAD fighter pilot.  A good real life pilot, but super terrible here, and not relying on technochat did nothing negative to me. It just takes a small amount of practice.

 

For the 4th time, if you don't feel comfortable without it yet, it's OKAY!  We've all been there.  Take some time on another server and do some practice with it.  I promise, it will get better and you'll appreciate the added immersion with having to actually look at your flap indicator on the wings, or the compass.

[DD_Arthur]

13 minutes ago, D-Rock said:

I'll sit this one out, instead of getting frustrated.

@D-Rock  Visit the Mods section and halfway down check out ‘Pilot notes for cockpit photos’?

[=BES=Senor_Jefe]

3 minutes ago, VBF-12_Snake9 said:

?

I pointed out the obvious.  

By the way, I have warthog with extension, rudder pedals, and two saitek throttle quadrates.  Everything is mapped to axis.  Doesn't make your poor argument any better.  ?

you're being divisive because you're frustrated with change.  You are in the minority.  Quit bitching and power through, or find another server. Im done arguing.

Edited August 4, 2020 by =BES=Senor_Jefe

[JG7_X-Man]

4 hours ago, D-Rock said:

Why no tech-tip box in this one? It's a real game killer not having it.

 

 

 

The majority do not agree with you. TAW has hard settings, as it should as it isn't meant for beginners.

As it was historically:

You spend time looking at your instruments too long, you die.

You mess up your airplanes setup for either fighting, cruise flight, takeoff or landing, you die.

 

I think of this as a learning opportunity. 

[VBF-12_Snake9]

What.....  Just pointing out the obvious.....

Honestly I haven't flown Taw since the western planes came out, and not really impressed how the plane set was handled last time around.  

[JG7_X-Man]

1 minute ago, VBF-12_Snake9 said:

What.....  Just pointing out the obvious.....

Honestly I haven't flown Taw since the western planes came out, and not really impressed how the plane set was handled last time around.  

 What's your beef? Let's discuss 

[SCG_motoadve]

2 hours ago, =LG=Kathon said:

The altitude/pressure problem has been probably fixed. I can't check it because I'm currently on holidays far away from my pc. I'll be back next week and then be able to check the indestructible truck problem.

 

So maybe its a good idea to stop this campaign and start the new one in the next week?

 

 

Dont stop the campaign, we can use it as training, sort bugs and some people get used to no tech chat so they enjoy the following campaign more.

[VBF-12_Snake9]

3 minutes ago, JG7_X-Man said:

 What's your beef? Let's discuss 

ok ?

Unlimited 262 once you farm.  

This is a opinion, but I'm of the mind that there shouldn't be a 262 on the map unless there is something to balance it.  There is nothing to balance it at this time......  

Combat box does it the best but still not a fan.  

Granted it's a tough problem to solve, but last taw it was stupid seeing 262s vulture airfields.  

But anyway that's my opinion.  

[JG7_X-Man]

2 hours ago, VBF-12_Snake9 said:

Don't matter to me, but many are not being truthful.  

Do you not think that real life pilots would use touch and feel for levers.  IE one finger gap 90%, two finger gap 80% and so on.  This looking/staring at lever placement is ridiculous.  It's less real.  Let me say again, it is less realistic.  ? 

 

In this two- dimensional space we have to work with (VR or not), you have visual acuity. It takes a few seconds to look at your gauges and controls. You will see the techno chat was just reassurance/ a safety net to confirm what you are already knew my Padawan learner 

[VBF-12_Snake9]

1 minute ago, JG7_X-Man said:

Padawan learner 

Come on dude, I am no learner at this.....

Just correct.  ?

[JG7_X-Man]

23 minutes ago, VBF-12_Snake9 said:

ok ?

Unlimited 262 once you farm.  

This is a opinion, but I'm of the mind that there shouldn't be a 262 on the map unless there is something to balance it.  There is nothing to balance it at this time......  

Combat box does it the best but still not a fan.  

Granted it's a tough problem to solve, but last taw it was stupid seeing 262s vulture airfields.  

But anyway that's my opinion.  

 

Ok I do agree with you but that issue is on the developers right? They created a Me 262 for us that did see battle in mid '44 until the end of the war. If they had created a P-51 with the 1g advantage G-Suit as a MOD verses hard coding it, my guess is =LG= and STG 2 would have allowed it in this map (and disabling the G suit mod). Since TAW admin are simulating the USAAF 9tth and RAF 2 TAF units which were on continent, and as there is no records of the 9th using G-Suits until late '44 (remember the supply issues that also attributed to the Battle of the Bulge), they choose to excluded the P-51 for just for this map. That said, I am all for air starts over the North Sea at 7K (simulating 8th USAAF that had G-Suits in September) but without droptanks - that's not realistic either. Note: it's my opinion that the Tempest is much more scary to us Luftwaffe pilots than a P-51.

 

I am not a fan of vulching and I find AAA not being able to keep up with Me 262s unless at ace level but then again Tempests can do the job of any P-51

21 minutes ago, VBF-12_Snake9 said:

Come on dude, I am no learner at this.....

Just correct.  ?

 LOL my wife say that all the time! This is my response to that -   sure you are.

Edited August 4, 2020 by JG7_X-Man

[VBF-12_Snake9]

4 minutes ago, JG7_X-Man said:

Ok I do agree with you but that issue is on the developers right?

Nope.....

Server admins balance the planes on their servers.......

But I see we can agree.  S

[JG7_X-Man]

3 minutes ago, VBF-12_Snake9 said:

Nope.....

Server admins balance the planes on their servers.......

But I see we can agree.  S

 So what do you suggest we balance the Me 262 with?

[VBF-12_Snake9]

This is not going to be popular... but want a fair fight, leave it out.  

[JG7_X-Man]

Here is a good rule of them when it comes to setting atmospheric pressure:

 

https://sciencing.com/range-barometric-pressure-5505227.html

 

In an area of high pressure, the air is denser than the air surrounding it. Winds blow air out of a high-pressure area, causing it to sink. As air slowly descends, its temperature rises. The warmth of the air prevents water from condensing to form clouds. As a result, high-pressure areas are often associated with clear weather. Winds blow air into a low-pressure area and the high-pressure air rises above low-pressure air. The air cools as it rises, which promotes condensation of water in the air. Clouds form and precipitation may result. This is why low air pressure is associated with rainy or snowy weather.

Air pressure rises and falls about 3 hP in daily cycles, regardless of weather. Meteorologists take these fluctuations into account when they analyze changes in air pressure to interpret if the changes are due to weather systems. A large drop of 7 hP or more in 24 hours may indicate a high-pressure system is moving out and/or a low-pressure system is moving in.

[JG1_Shadepiece]

I've had that tech tips turned off for years. I find it more immersive, and less distracting in a lot of ways. I like that it's off for this server.

[NiiranenVR]

About  techchat - help you feel the plane in the air , some wrote about ...

We use money on throttles , GPU and so on - but really good money to spend on a vibrant simseat  : 

https://andres.shop/jetseat/24-vibrating-pad-simshaker-jetpad-fse.html

 

After a while your body learn where your plane is in the air / vibration 

[todeskvlt]

so much discussion now and there is not even Me262 yet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edited August 4, 2020 by =LG=todeskvlt

[Chivas_Regal]

7 hours ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Dont stop the campaign, we can use it as training, sort bugs and some people get used to no tech chat so they enjoy the following campaign more.

I also think it's a good idea to restart the campaign again. But until then flights can now be used as an open test and training