Tactical Air War

[Falkenstein]

7 hours ago, =SFG=Cactus said:

I'm confused as to why the Ju-52 isn't in there...

 

I'm flying Allied this round, but, FWIW, in principle I love to see the Ju-52 included as a +1 option, whenever possible.  ?

 

I am curious as to the data from previous TAW campaigns, how often it was flown, especially in comparison to the He 111 H-6 when it was a +1 option, then the He 111 H-16 when it was a +1 option.

 

While I can appreciate that the He 111 versions are included in the BoM and BoK editions, I'm a fan that the Ju-52/Зm is available in the game, and when it's on sale it seems a steal at $6.24 U.S. dollars for a "Collector Plane".  I optimistically look forward to the day when the Douglas C-47 / Lisunov Li-2 becomes a flyable option, as well.  ?

 

[SE.VH_Boemundo]

Only BoBP planes. Buy BoBP or fly the 110 "flying coffin" (take a single bullet and break apart or pked). I will not fly.

[JuliMonkey]

6 minutes ago, =BLW=Tales said:

Only BoBP planes. Buy BoBP or fly the 110 "flying coffin" (take a single bullet and break apart or pked). I will not fly.

I don‘t see a problem with the 110 on the BoBp campaign?

[SE.VH_Boemundo]

8 minutes ago, JuliMonkey said:

I don‘t see a problem with the 110 on the BoBp campaign?

Even  the weak ShvaK brake 110 apart, pked (few shots) fairly often in this game, i can't even bail out, imagine tempest 20mm? Is a flying coffin. I ll lose my lives in a blink of an eye and get kicked 20 hrs. I do not have BoBP. I will not buy it, maybe after DM patch. There is no A5 and G6 there.

Edited March 8, 2020 by =BLW=Tales

[SCG_Limboski]

12 hours ago, Alonzo said:

Krupinski has a 15 kill sortie in a 262 on Combat Box. Let that sink in for a second.

 

 I let this sink in so I viewed his sortie log on Combat box and Krupinski is just simply one of the best pilots in the game since he has recent 9, 11, and 13 air combat kills in either the Bf 109 G-14 or K4....so I assume he is just as deadly in the prop planes as he is in the 262 jet.

[Alonzo]

19 minutes ago, SCG_Limbo said:

 

 I let this sink in so I viewed his sortie log on Combat box and Krupinski is just simply one of the best pilots in the game since he has recent 9, 11, and 13 air combat kills in either the Bf 109 G-14 or K4....so I assume he is just as deadly in the prop planes as he is in the 262 jet.

That’s true, he also has I think a 10-kill sortie in the P51. This invalidates my argument how?

 

In any case, I’ve said my piece. We’ll see how things shake out on TAW over the next week or so.

[E69_McKinley]

Hi, how many lifes have we in total? Thanks

[Bemused]

Online today for a few missions in the new campaign.  Got shot down in P47 after dropping munitions and then went to take A20.  Selected Burma skin, kicked with 4 min ban.  Back in A20 again, kicked 4 min ban.  What gives?  I have 2/2 A20s.

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

10 hours ago, [=PzG=]-FlyinPinkPanther said:

 

@69th_Mobile_BBQ who wouldn't want to be a tart. They are delicious. And I am very sweet. 

 

True, but depending on regional variations of the language, "tart" can have a few different meanings besides being a dessert treat.   It was nothing against or at you at all, I assure you. It's how I read it in my mind that I was laughing at.  

--------------- 

 

I'm glad to hear that some restrictions are placed on the 262, but It's not totally removed.  

 

I would say that it's a plane that is deadly to those not paying attention - including the pilot, but many of us have found out that you can check your 6 o'clock, then look forward and a few seconds afterward get obliterated from 6 o'clock.  The 262 is a Terminator that is also a master ninja in the right hands.  

 

I imagine having a late-war plane that was equipped with a 6 o'clock facing radar unit would be nice, but I have no idea of radar unit availability, plane models fitted with the unit or the radar unit's effectiveness and reliability. Also, we don't have them in-game anyway, so I guess I'll chalk it up to daydreaming.  

 

Edited March 8, 2020 by 69th_Mobile_BBQ

[JG7_X-Man]

5 hours ago, =LG=Kathon said:

1. Yes, there is something wrong with it and I will check it.

 

2. Me-262 on the map #2 will be limited and not available on every airfield.

 Copy that sir!

16 hours ago, Alonzo said:

 

You'll be flying Allied against the 262, then? Oh no, sorry, I guess you're doing your pretend history on the blue side and enjoying your teammates invulnerably vulching enemy airfields while you mop up any stragglers.

 

The thing about opinions is that everyone has one. Just because you have one doesn't mean yours is correct. 

You run your server the way you want and let TAW admin run their server the way they want.

 

If you are looking for someone to blame - I would say IL-2 development team for not making the Me 262 a collectors' plane (... I am glad we have it! I like the late ware stuff anyway). However, the aircraft did see combat in WW II thus it should be in the TAW PERIOD!

 

 One of the SCG guys made a very good observation - most will blow up/crash on takeoff and those that manage to take-off will not use the aircraft to its strength and will more than likely get shot down anyway.  Only a handful of people will be effective in that aircraft so I were flying RED - which I don't, I have no reason to be so scared.

[Baron_Von_Mosler]

i h8 not hving my 262, jokes a part a pair  of p 51 with 150 can fight even a pair of 262s,they just need to be higher but theres not a lot of ppl willing to get high to wait for them to appear, spotting maybe doenst help also. 

[JG7_X-Man]

Just now, Baron_Von_Mosler said:

i h8 not hving my 262, jokes a part a pair  of p 51 with 150 can fight even a pair of 262s,they just need to be higher but theres not a lot of ppl willing to get high to wait for them to appear, spotting maybe doenst help also. 

 

Exactly! The issue is cowards die multiple times before their actual deaths.

[FTC_Riksen]

31 minutes ago, JG7_X-Man said:

 

If you are looking for someone to blame - I would say IL-2 development team for not making the Me 262 a collectors' plane (... I am glad we have it! I like the late ware stuff anyway). However, the aircraft did see combat in WW II thus it should be in the TAW PERIOD!

 

 One of the SCG guys made a very good observation - most will blow up/crash on takeoff and those that manage to take-off will not use the aircraft to its strength and will more than likely get shot down anyway.  Only a handful of people will be effective in that aircraft so I were flying RED - which I don't, I have no reason to be so scared.

 

You should read what you quoted again X. No where @Alonzo said the plane should be excluded. I believe most, including its opposition would like to see the plane there. What we dont appreciate is a mechanic that promotes the UNRESTRICTED use of the aircraft since that was not the case in real life and so it should not be the case here as well. The admins already stated that there will be limits to its use so let's just wait and see how these play out in the long run.

[JG7_X-Man]

Just now, Riksen said:

 

You should read what you quoted again X. No where @Alonzo said the plane should be excluded. I believe most, including its opposition would like to see the plane there. What we dont appreciate is a mechanic that promotes the UNRESTRICTED use of the aircraft since that was not the case in real life and so it should not be the case here as well. The admins already stated that there will be limits to its use so let's just wait and see how these play out in the long run.

 

That's what I read and the fact is the aircraft has two uses - Ground Attack (B-1) and as a fighters (A-1). Not sure what restricted use is required.

I was foremost debating the use of aircraft not to mention it's the last 0/1 inline so only a few will have that plane before the map rotates anyway.

[FTC_Kongoo]

Seriously though, what the shit is this planeset.

[FTC_Riksen]

12 minutes ago, JG7_X-Man said:

 

That's what I read and the fact is the aircraft has two uses - Ground Attack (B-1) and as a fighters (A-1). Not sure what restricted use is required.

I was foremost debating the use of aircraft not to mention it's the last 0/1 inline so only a few will have that plane before the map rotates anyway.

 

If you dont understand why restricted use is required still, read @Alonzo's post again regarding his experience with the use of the aircraft in his server and my post regarding lack of fuel and personel to operate the aircraft. Hope that clears things up.

[Ala13_UnopaUno_VR]

 

CONGRATULATIONS to squad E69, for that incredible raid on Veghel, 9 He111, +6 escorts, AMAZING?

[saintbrutal]

has taw ever thought of making a discord for axis and allied side for text chat discussions ? planning, screenshots, etc

[Aero*Bohemio]

Just checked TAW and it's planeset...oh well...have fun with the test guys.

[JuliMonkey]

6 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said:

 One of the SCG guys made a very good observation - most will blow up/crash on takeoff and those that manage to take-off will not use the aircraft to its strength and will more than likely get shot down anyway.  Only a handful of people will be effective in that aircraft so I were flying RED - which I don't, I have no reason to be so scared.

I highly doubt that many Me 262 pilots will blow up their plane on TAW. On Combat Box some blow it up thats true, but i would say on TAW there is the more „experienced“ playerbase. I also don‘t think that only a handful of people will be effective in it, i think only a handful of people will perform bad in it..

[=GEMINI=IngegnerTommy]

7 hours ago, Ala13_UnopaUno_VR said:

 

CONGRATULATIONS to squad E69, for that incredible raid on Veghel, 9 He111, +6 escorts, AMAZING?

We (GEMINI) intercepted that just east of Veghel, what an incredible experience.

 

We engaged the escort and shot down two  Doras, but then the HE111 box was a though deal, we damaged few but they kept going and we paid an heavy toll from their gunners.

 

Great job E69, amazing to see other teams flying coordinated 

[I-WVoss]

Hello everybody!! I turn to the administrators, I registered as ITA_Voss but the server continues to give me the communication that I have to register and disconnects me.

You could check? 

Thanks for your help.

 

36/5000

 

 

 

I solved the problem..my mistake.

[CSW_Hot_Dog]

Just FYI, i would like to share, how cowardly Rammjager is. He basicaly do everything, to piss other pilots off. Yesterday, he started to attack us during landing aproach 5km from the base (because, well, thats only thing, he can do),  few times hits my mate, then we outmanever him and just after he realises he will be shot down shortly, he bail out without single damage of his plane just to prevent others have a kill. Unfortunatelly, despite he bail out 5km from our base and 70km from front line, he wasnt captured. As i said, he does anything with one reason only, to piss off others. I know he didnt broke any rules, but want to share his cowardly behaviour. He has permanent BAN on one other server already, hope he will piss up good amount of players to get another...

 

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=1761&name=JG700_Rammjager

 

 

Edited March 9, 2020 by CSW_Hot_Dog

[EGr8_kadett16]

Hey. During the flight, my game client just disappeared twice (it closed without error). Does anyone have the same problem on taw?

 

[Coldman]

58 minutes ago, CSW_Hot_Dog said:

Just FYI, i would like to share, how cowardly Rammjager is. He basicaly do everything, to piss other pilots off. Yesterday, he started to attack us during landing aproach 5km from the base (because, well, thats only thing, he can do),  few times hits my mate, then we outmanever him and just after he realises he will be shot down shortly, he bail out without single damage of his plane just to prevent others have a kill. Unfortunatelly, despite he bail out 5km from our base and 70km from front line, he wasnt captured. As i said, he does anything with one reason only, to piss off others. I know he didnt broke any rules, but want to share his cowardly behaviour. He has permanent BAN on one other server already, hope he will piss up good amount of players to get another...

 

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=1761&name=JG700_Rammjager

 

 

You should kill the pilot on shute

[FTC_Riksen]

2 hours ago, CSW_Hot_Dog said:

Butt hurt ...

 

 

Funny thing is you complaining about coward behaviours and being pissed about someone hurting your feelings when you and your squadron are the major parachute killers of TAW. I mean you literally only do this coward act to also piss people off and then u cry when people do it to you? Lololololol ... Oh the hypocrisy .... How does that feel? Perhaps before complaining about others you should take a good look at yourself in the mirror ... 

[CSW_Hot_Dog]

12 minutes ago, Riksen said:

 

Funny thing is you complaining about coward behaviours and being pissed about someone hurting your feelings when you and your squadron are the major parachute killers of TAW. I mean you literally only do this coward act to also piss people off and then u cry when people do it to you? Lololololol ... Oh the hypocrisy .... How does that feel? Perhaps before complaining about others you should take a good look at yourself in the mirror ... 

What? We in CSW definitelly not kill pilots on chutes... Probably you mixed up CSW with another squadron, but we never do this!!! Maybe, if you watch the video, you can see i even didnt try or think about to kill Rammjager on chute even if he deserve it.

 

So please, stop saying that CSW is major parachute killer squad on TAW, because we dont do this and dont like this even if its allowed!

Edited March 9, 2020 by CSW_Hot_Dog

[FTC_Riksen]

1 minute ago, CSW_Hot_Dog said:

What? We in CSW definitelly not kill pilots on chutes... Probably you mixed up CSW with another squadron, but we never do this!!! Maybe, if you watch the video, you can see i even didnt try or think about to kill Rammjager on chute even if he deserve it.

 

So please, stop saying that CSW is major parachute killer squad on TAW, because we dont do this and dont like this even if its allowed!

 

In that case please accept my apologies. I must indeed have confused your squadron with some other one. Either way, unfortunately, it os behaviours like chute killing that is promoted by the admins that result in this kind of attitude: people just trying to troll another instead of promoting a friendly environment and units like yours suffer in the process.

[CSW_Hot_Dog]

3 minutes ago, Riksen said:

 

In that case please accept my apologies. I must indeed have confused your squadron with some other one. Either way, unfortunately, it os behaviours like chute killing that is promoted by the admins that result in this kind of attitude: people just trying to troll another instead of promoting a friendly environment and units like yours suffer in the process.

Apology accepted and fully agree with that. Thats why i public this video.

Edited March 9, 2020 by CSW_Hot_Dog

[E69_McKinley]

5 hours ago, =GEMINI=IngegnerTommy said:

We (GEMINI) intercepted that just east of Veghel, what an incredible experience.

 

We engaged the escort and shot down two  Doras, but then the HE111 box was a though deal, we damaged few but they kept going and we paid an heavy toll from their gunners.

 

Great job E69, amazing to see other teams flying coordinated 

Our Squad only has one death, one He111, two bailed He111 on friendly lines and two Doras damaged rtb...

We get 5 enemies airplane downs and 29 ground targets...thanks for congratulations.

This TAW Will be diferent E69 Squad.....

Edited March 9, 2020 by E69_McKinley

[JaMz]

3 hours ago, CSW_Hot_Dog said:

Just FYI, i would like to share, how cowardly Rammjager is. He basicaly do everything, to piss other pilots off. Yesterday, he started to attack us during landing aproach 5km from the base (because, well, thats only thing, he can do),  few times hits my mate, then we outmanever him and just after he realises he will be shot down shortly, he bail out without single damage of his plane just to prevent others have a kill. Unfortunatelly, despite he bail out 5km from our base and 70km from front line, he wasnt captured. As i said, he does anything with one reason only, to piss off others. I know he didnt broke any rules, but want to share his cowardly behaviour. He has permanent BAN on one other server already, hope he will piss up good amount of players to get another...

 

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=1761&name=JG700_Rammjager

 

 

 

This will always happen, until you get punished for it on the stats, and that means ALL stats in game or otherwise.

 

Score hits, be it bombing runs or A2A and RTB safely, you get rewarded for it... If you're dead or captured via bailing (which should always be the case if over enemy territory) you get sweet FA.

 

Not sure how many times this issue has com up with flight sims and yet we continue to use the same stat systems.

 

If we're measuring d1k size, then the game can store your hit ratio, KD etc etc. Hell, you could have your own little thread to post your SS's as the argument from 'some' payers seems to be "yea but I use it for monitoring my performance" so you'd still be able to do that, however I don't think this reason is enough to keep a system implemented which just leads to horse sh8t behavior... its tiring.

 

 

 

Edited March 9, 2020 by JaMz_SoLo

[=GEMINI=IngegnerTommy]

56 minutes ago, E69_McKinley said:

Our Squad only has one death, one He111, two bailed He111 on friendly lines and two Doras damaged rtb...

We get 5 enemies airplane downs and 29 ground targets...thanks for congratulations.

This TAW Will be diferent E69 Squad.....

 

Hi McKinley,

 

Well, we do not discriminate between a shot down plane with a pilot's death or a ditch, and we also stay away from chute killing.

So the two shot down Dora i was referring two were E69_Hans_Luchs and E69_Chopo, both ditched during the action.

 

One interesting thing, If you look at the mission log you'll notice that one of the HE111 hit during the first passes was then taken out by friendly fire, as the (human?) gunners of the nearest HE111 killed the pilot by accident. In the replay you can see that happen very clear, quite gruesome!

 

Hope to cross you guys again in the sky soon!

Keep the amazing job

 

Tommaso

[E69_McKinley]

16 minutes ago, =GEMINI=IngegnerTommy said:

ne interesting thing, If you look at the mission log you'll notice that one of the HE111 hit during the first passes was then taken out by friendly fire, as the (human?) gunners of the nearest HE111 killed the pilot by accident. In the replay you can see that happen very clear, quite gruesome!

Its top secret información....u must kill me to know it

[RedKestrel]

25 minutes ago, =GEMINI=IngegnerTommy said:

 

Hi McKinley,

 

Well, we do not discriminate between a shot down plane with a pilot's death or a ditch, and we also stay away from chute killing.

So the two shot down Dora i was referring two were E69_Hans_Luchs and E69_Chopo, both ditched during the action.

 

One interesting thing, If you look at the mission log you'll notice that one of the HE111 hit during the first passes was then taken out by friendly fire, as the (human?) gunners of the nearest HE111 killed the pilot by accident. In the replay you can see that happen very clear, quite gruesome!

 

Hope to cross you guys again in the sky soon!

Keep the amazing job

 

Tommaso

Gunner must have been this guy...
 

 

[E69_geramos109]

 

 

1 hour ago, =GEMINI=IngegnerTommy said:

 

Hi McKinley,

 

Well, we do not discriminate between a shot down plane with a pilot's death or a ditch, and we also stay away from chute killing.

So the two shot down Dora i was referring two were E69_Hans_Luchs and E69_Chopo, both ditched during the action.

 

One interesting thing, If you look at the mission log you'll notice that one of the HE111 hit during the first passes was then taken out by friendly fire, as the (human?) gunners of the nearest HE111 killed the pilot by accident. In the replay you can see that happen very clear, quite gruesome!

 

Hope to cross you guys again in the sky soon!

Keep the amazing job

 

Tommaso

 

Yes! That was my gunner. Is a shame that my flightmate was killed by my own gunner. I posted that on the bug section and I will send that to devs to see if they can improve the Ia with that. For my mate was frustrating to get killed like that after doing everything perfect on the mission and I had of course -300 points for myself and my squad, No combat missions and no points for 12 ground kills and one air kill. All of that because again a bug. 

Appart from that was a fun mission and the end was epic with all that fighters attacking us.

 

 

Edited March 9, 2020 by E69_geramos109

[=KG76=flyus747]

46 minutes ago, E69_geramos109 said:

 

 

 

Yes! That was my gunner. Is a shame that my flightmate was killed by my own gunner. I posted that on the bug section and I will send that to devs to see if they can improve the Ia with that. For my mate was frustrating to get killed like that after doing everything perfect on the mission and I had of course -300 points for myself and my squad, No combat missions and no points for 12 ground kills and one air kill. All of that because again a bug. 

Appart from that was a fun mission and the end was epic with all that fighters attacking us.

 

 

That's not a "bug" The Gunner AI simply does not recognize that Friendlies are in his line of sight. 

 

In the future, have your wingman posted more near your 4 o clock position rather than 5. This will not eliminate the problem (the devs will have to fix this) but can minimize it because most enemies attack from your 5-7 o clock position thus when forming your formation, friendly aircrafts should be positioned OUTSIDE that window and farther if possible.

 

The 111 has side gunners which has damaged another 111 in formation when we were flying together. He was positioned pretty far up but was still hit. This problem can't be fixed by the players, only minimized.

 

[E69_geramos109]

13 hours ago, ECV56_Chimango said:

Just checked TAW and it's planeset...oh well...have fun with the test guys.

What would you change about planeset?

[SCG_Limboski]

I wonder how much friendly fire happened from turret gunners in real life bomber formations?  I would think it was fairly common when the action got hot.

 

[Operatsiya_Ivy]

25 minutes ago, E69_geramos109 said:

What would you change about planeset?

 

For a start, not putting the P-47 up against the G-14. The Spit should be the allied +1 Aircraft. 

[=KG76=flyus747]

27 minutes ago, E69_geramos109 said:

What would you change about planeset?

I believe he would like...

a Yak I, II, II, IV, V, VIs

a couple La5 La 6 La7s

and only Ju52s for the Blues

for Christmas

 

7 minutes ago, SCG_Limbo said:

I wonder how much friendly fire happened from turret gunners in real life bomber formations?  I would think it was fairly common when the action got hot.

 

 

Edited March 9, 2020 by =KG76=flyus747