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Not sure:  RAV = 615 Squadron, according to the always correct wiki:

 

With the reactivation of the Royal Auxiliary Air Force, No. 615 Squadron was reformed on 10 May 1946 at RAF Biggin Hill as a day fighter squadron equipped with Spitfire F.14s. Spitfire F.21s were received in 1947 and these were replaced by F.22s in 1948, both marks being flown until 1950.

 

That has WW2 style camo and markings, however, by 1947 I would expect bare metal and the modern roundels (for types delivered from then).  So I would guess F.14

 

But then the pinterest page where that comes from says :

 

 

Spitfire F21 LA195 delivered to RAF 33 MU 15/01/1946, here in 615 Sqn service 25/4/1947 to 19/8/1948
 
Which sounds horribly specific!
 
edit - and here is where it came from (Flight International magazine) at least probably from this photoshoot, although it is not the same still.
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The things we have to do to pass the time when the bars are shut.....
 
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Algy-Lacey
1 hour ago, unreasonable said:

That has WW2 style camo and markings, however, by 1947 I would expect bare metal and the modern roundels (for types delivered from then).  So I would guess F.14

 

It's definitely a Mk.21, the wing is different, slightly clipped wings, not fully eliptical, not clipped to the same extent as earlier spitfires. Also I don't think 4 x 20mm Hispano's made it onto production Mk XIV's, if I'm wrong then we have to have that variant in IL-2! Big-badaa-boom!

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Just now, Algy-Lacey said:

 

It's definitely a Mk.21, the wing is different, slightly clipped wings, not fully eliptical, not clipped to the same extent as earlier spitfires. Also I don't think 4 x 20mm Hispano's made it onto production Mk XIV's, if I'm wrong then we have to have that variant in IL-2! Big-badaa-boom!

 

Yes - I am sure you and the original photo caption are correct. I was fooled by the camo and markings as much as anything: that would have been right at the end of their period. The lower shot shows the changes to both in 1947 nicely: RAV-E has the earlier WW2 style side roundels.  

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21 hours ago, Algy-Lacey said:

 

It's definitely a Mk.21, the wing is different, slightly clipped wings, not fully eliptical, not clipped to the same extent as earlier spitfires. Also I don't think 4 x 20mm Hispano's made it onto production Mk XIV's, if I'm wrong then we have to have that variant in IL-2! Big-badaa-boom!

 

Having studied the development and history of the Spitfire for many years, I'm not aware of any Spitfire XIV's that were ever fitted with four 20mm. They had a mix of the standard C and E armament configurations. They certainly could have been equipped with four cannons as the C wing allows for it but it just wasn't done outside of those early production Mark Vc's.

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4 hours ago, startzug said:

Someday we'll see him

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Instead of that we'll get trucks😆

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3 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

Having studied the development and history of the Spitfire for many years, I'm not aware of any Spitfire XIV's that were ever fitted with four 20mm. They had a mix of the standard C and E armament configurations. They certainly could have been equipped with four cannons as the C wing allows for it but it just wasn't done outside of those early production Mark Vc's.

 

Yes. The big difference is that some Spit XIV flew for around a month without any machine guns in order to gain more speed for hunting V-1 (although they were also flying some sorties to counter the threat of fighter bombers). So, the plausible unique armament option is 2x20mm cannon.

 

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Algy-Lacey
2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

Yes. The big difference is that some Spit XIV flew for around a month without any machine guns in order to gain more speed for hunting V-1 (although they were also flying some sorties to counter the threat of fighter bombers). So, the plausible unique armament option is 2x20mm cannon.

 

 

I think that Fighter Reconnaisance FR MkXIV's might have also had this armament (off the top of my head). I wonder how much weight was saved? I would have thought a couple of hundred kilos (4 x .303 Browings) which is almost the weight difference between a MkIXc and a MkXIVc.... to bring the conversation full circle (well, more of an oval)

 

I hope we get 2 x 20mm as a loadout option, plus a functioning camera in the fuselage, Recon opens up another area for simulation.

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13 minutes ago, Algy-Lacey said:

 

I think that Fighter Reconnaisance FR MkXIV's might have also had this armament (off the top of my head). I wonder how much weight was saved? I would have thought a couple of hundred kilos (4 x .303 Browings) which is almost the weight difference between a MkIXc and a MkXIVc.... to bring the conversation full circle (well, more of an oval)

 

I hope we get 2 x 20mm as a loadout option, plus a functioning camera in the fuselage, Recon opens up another area for simulation.

 

I think it is closer to 40kg of guns and 54kg of ammunition (if 300 rpg)... so more like 100 kg saved... but there might also be some slight drag reduction benefits from having the covers fully smoothed over (not sure if this amounts to much). Still... it would be an interesting way to fly a pure cannon Spitfire with exactly half the firepower of a Hawker fighter :)

 

I agree it would be great if they someday got to a point where they could release photo-recon variants for a bunch of existing aircraft (along with photo-recon gameplay)! One could also use the 'alone unarmed and unafraid' observer/PRU tagline to sell it... make it seem dramatic and war winning in the write up (because, well, photorecon was dramatic and war winning) :)

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12 hours ago, Algy-Lacey said:

 

I think that Fighter Reconnaisance FR MkXIV's might have also had this armament (off the top of my head). I wonder how much weight was saved? I would have thought a couple of hundred kilos (4 x .303 Browings) which is almost the weight difference between a MkIXc and a MkXIVc.... to bring the conversation full circle (well, more of an oval)

 

I hope we get 2 x 20mm as a loadout option, plus a functioning camera in the fuselage, Recon opens up another area for simulation.

Some weights for the guns are:
 

2x20mm Hispano MkII cannon = 297.5lb
20mm ammo (120rpg) = 150lb

 

2x.50cal machine gun = 162.5lb
.50cal ammo (250rpg) = 150lb

 

4x.303 machine gun = 112.5lb
.303 ammo (350rpg) = 93lb

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1 hour ago, beeps said:

...could it be??

An update? On a Friday? That would be so surprising my monacle would ping across the room... 

13 hours ago, Avimimus said:

One could also use the 'alone unarmed and unafraid' observer/PRU tagline to sell it...

Plus PR Spitfires are the handsomist spitfires. Lovely clean lines and that beautiful single piece windshield. In fetching blue AND daring pink! 

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1 minute ago, Diggun said:

An update? On a Friday? That would be so surprising my monacle would ping across the room... 

Alas...It was just my connection dropping out :(

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IckyATLAS

They deserve a good month of January as a holiday. 

We can accept one month of relax if and only if in February starts a hellish program with:

 

  • A new update once every 15 days with at least 30 items, and if skipped the next deadline is one with 60 items.
  • One plane or vehicle every month, if skipped then two items the next deadline
  • One map every quarter
  • One campaign at the end of the year.

Thank you devs bringing our dreams to reality.😄

 

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3 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

They deserve a good month of January as a holiday. 

We can accept one month of relax if and only if in February starts a hellish program with:

 

  • A new update once every 15 days with at least 30 items, and if skipped the next deadline is one with 60 items.
  • One plane or vehicle every month, if skipped then two items the next deadline
  • One map every quarter
  • One campaign at the end of the year.

Thank you devs bringing our dreams to reality.😄

 

Obviously your program scared the developers

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This months DD

 

Visited grandmama, Heard cousin Vladimir got him =self into financial trouble again. I told Grandmama not to give him anymore money. You know he spends in the casino and lose women. 

When the arthritis is not acting up she loves flying the Il2. 

 

Gaming Grandma is the Sweetest Gamer in the World But Will Still Kick Your  Ass

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BladeMeister

Wacocamo, Walodomo, Wamoclo, Walomomo!  What it ever it is that you hip youngsters chant, come on DD tomorrowolo!

 

An announcement about TC2 would be nice.:popcorm:

 

S!Blade<><

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1 hour ago, BladeMeister said:

An announcement about TC2 would be nice.:popcorm:

 

El Alamein preferably 🤪😜:wacko:

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QB.Gordon200

Did you see Jason's comment in Developer Diary 269 Discussion when someone said "It would be nice if we are given a little something tomorrow wouldn't it???"

 

Maybe if you’re lucky.

 

Jason

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BladeMeister
4 hours ago, QB.Gordon200 said:

Did you see Jason's comment in Developer Diary 269 Discussion when someone said "It would be nice if we are given a little something tomorrow wouldn't it???"

 

Maybe if you’re lucky.

 

Jason

I did not, but I feel Lucky!:clapping:

 

S!Blade<><

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god, he's SUCH a tease...

 

More flak vehicle pics?

 

some sweeeeet xiv action??

 

A lil cheeky spad peek??

whaddya reckon?

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6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

Definetly summin of the Fokker D.VIII

 

maybe tweaks for Flight Models of the FC.I Planes, so hoping for overcompressed Engines.

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I’m curious is there a general and realistic consensus about just what aircraft ( or now with AA trucks,vehicle,) will be included in the next update? I know each of us has a sort of wish list but what will probably show up next? I would think new versions of aircraft ( Spitfire,Focke Wolf, Ju-88 or Mustang..)we already have might be a best guess as they might not require as much modeling, but if we go by what we have actually seen it could be the Typhoon ( which is sorta kinda a “new” version of the Tempest now that I think about it...) as we have seen development images of it not that long ago , along with disappointing news that its introduction won’t be until Spring. Has Jason given us a clue that I’ve just missed?

  Of course the next update might an effects upgrade which would be alright but ....

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24 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

I’m curious is there a general and realistic consensus about just what aircraft ( or now with AA trucks,vehicle,) will be included in the next update? I know each of us has a sort of wish list but what will probably show up next? I would think new versions of aircraft ( Spitfire,Focke Wolf, Ju-88 or Mustang..)we already have might be a best guess as they might not require as much modeling, but if we go by what we have actually seen it could be the Typhoon ( which is sorta kinda a “new” version of the Tempest now that I think about it...) as we have seen development images of it not that long ago , along with disappointing news that its introduction won’t be until Spring. Has Jason given us a clue that I’ve just missed?

  Of course the next update might an effects upgrade which would be alright but ....

Last week's DD said the 190 A6 is planned to come with the next update.

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AEthelraedUnraed
10 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

I’m curious is there a general and realistic consensus about just what aircraft ( or now with AA trucks,vehicle,) will be included in the next update? I know each of us has a sort of wish list but what will probably show up next? I would think new versions of aircraft ( Spitfire,Focke Wolf, Ju-88 or Mustang..)we already have might be a best guess as they might not require as much modeling, but if we go by what we have actually seen it could be the Typhoon ( which is sorta kinda a “new” version of the Tempest now that I think about it...) as we have seen development images of it not that long ago , along with disappointing news that its introduction won’t be until Spring. Has Jason given us a clue that I’ve just missed?

  Of course the next update might an effects upgrade which would be alright but ....

Jason already gave some sort of a preliminary release order for the aircraft:

It's roughly the following order:

Fokker D.VIII - Spad 7 150hp - Spitfire Mk.XIV - Fw-190 A-6 - Nieuport 28.C1 - Spad 7 180hp - GAZ-MM 72-K - Sd. Kfz. 10 + Flak38 - Typhoon Mk.Ib - P-51B/C - Pfalz D.XII - Sopwith Triplane - Breguet 14.B2 - DFW C.V. - Airco DH.4 - Ju 88 C-6 - Handley Page 0-400 - Gotha G.V - B-26 (AI) - V-1 Cruise Missile - Ar-234 - Mosquito FB Mk.VI - Me-410

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