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This is an inspiring roadmap on the condition that FMB / ME and Dserver are released and other niggles in BoS are addressed before BoM is available.

 

I would politely suggest that continued updates to BoS (09 and beyond) during the development of BoM would be the useful indicator of a dedication to advancing the underlying engine (which hopefully is funded by pre-order and BoM / release of new aircraft as they are ready). Appreciate that new revenue from BoS is likely in decline and so new projects are required to fund continued work, but there is a clear expectation for improvements to various aspects of the BoS programme even without pledging of new money.

 

That being said, I am happy to pre-order (though I hope there is careful thought out as to how you cost this so that you might take advantage of the longer vs. shorter term deliverables of aircraft / objects / maps). Throw in an early beta release of a non-winter map and I suspect the gratitude would be enormous :)

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It will be interesting to see what engine the P40 uses when it's released.

 

I wonder if the P40 will magically blow up once it hits 500kph like the one in Forgotten Battles? LOL

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BOM will be similar to Pacific fighters game released long time ago - BOS and BOM are going to be fully compatible, but you'll be able to buy BOM separately from BOS as well.

 

AWESOME!

That was my only concern... I am definitely in then, as soon as preorder opens! :biggrin:  :)

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This is an inspiring roadmap on the condition that FMB / ME and Dserver are released and other niggles in BoS are addressed before BoM is available.

 

I would politely suggest that continued updates to BoS (09 and beyond) during the development of BoM would be the useful indicator of a dedication to advancing the underlying engine (which hopefully is funded by pre-order and BoM / release of new aircraft as they are ready). Appreciate that new revenue from BoS is likely in decline and so new projects are required to fund continued work, but there is a clear expectation for improvements to various aspects of the BoS programme even without pledging of new money.

 

That being said, I am happy to pre-order (though I hope there is careful thought out as to how you cost this so that you might take advantage of the longer vs. shorter term deliverables of aircraft / objects / maps). Throw in an early beta release of a non-winter map and I suspect the gratitude would be enormous :)

 

I am thinking that the way the merge will work will be there will be one version of the sim.. but the content will work like in RoF.. If I go to a server that has the channel map and I do not have it..  I will have the same "version" of RoF but because I do not have that map I will not be able to fly there... isn't that how it works? I don't think it will be exactly like PF was because in IL2 if you had ver 3.0 which was the stand alone PF you could not fly in a 3.0m server.. which was the FB+PF merged version.. It will be moot to me because I will jump on it anyway... but I am curious.

 

I wonder if the P40 will magically blow up once it hits 500kph like the one in Forgotten Battles? LOL

 

Loll.. I remember that ... go into a dive and BOOOM!

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BOM will be similar to Pacific fighters game released long time ago - BOS and BOM are going to be fully compatible, but you'll be able to buy BOM separately from BOS as well.

 

This sealed my th deal for me.  :salute:

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DONT FORGET TO PUT ICECREAM BARS INSTEAD OF SWASTIKA'S....

 

Perhaps you would prefer diamonds?

 

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-snip-

 

Both are terrible, actually. If they aren't historical, I would prefer no markings at all.

 

A 109 with no HK is a cobra with no fangs.

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Well, the P-40s sent to USSR had normal Allison V-1710, however there was a wide problem with radiators when the winter came, they often broke as plane was not designed to operate in such "specific" conditions as the 1941/1942 winter. As an interesting note, about 40 P-40s were modified in Leningrad to be powered by a Soviet engine - M-105P or M-105R with the WISH-61P propeller. It is said that overall decrease of the performance was minimal, roughly 12 km/h on sea level. They mostly served in 159th IAP.

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Please, forgive me for the quality of the picture but I had nothing better to show you. As you may also see plane was equipped with six under wing racks for RS-82 rockets. This was a very common modification, as P-40s like all Soviet fighters, were used for ground attacks. Other interesting thing is ability to equip the P-40s with FAB-250 bombs  :)

 

VVS P-40s have such an interesting history, yet very little is known about them as most of the P-40 history is related to Mediterranean or Pacific Front. 

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Both are terrible, actually. If they aren't historical, I would prefer no markings at all.

 

A 109 with no HK is a cobra with no fangs.

I prefer no markings at all as well. There is some historical record of this in real life. The other options are pretty silly.

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You still don't get it.... (no offense) .... BoM is "finishing" BoS. I think a part of the problem with some folks is they are looking at the IL2 XxX part of this project... instead .. they should be looking at the IL2 part of it. BoS, BoM.. BoK.. whatever.. it will all be a part of this series.. This sim should be an ongoing work in progress for some time hopefully..

  None taken ;)  and I do get it. I think I am maybe just one of those people who still slips on the rose tinted flight goggles blissfully forgetting that we were spoilt by certain IL2 titles that seemed to have it all way back when.

 

I understand the commercial aspect from the Devs viewpoint and I am genuinely pleased that we will be able to add modules and aircraft to the existing title, to keep the game and the community alive. Let me at BoM!

 

PS  Devs ~ Please can we have clickable cockpit controls! :P

I prefer no markings at all as well. There is some historical record of this in real life. The other options are pretty silly.

I have to agree, I would just prefer none at all if we can't have the historically accurate markings.  

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Both are terrible, actually. If they aren't historical, I would prefer no markings at all.

 

A 109 with no HK is a cobra with no fangs.

 

 

I prefer no markings at all as well. There is some historical record of this in real life. The other options are pretty silly.

 

+1. I'd also prefer no markings at all.

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Leave the markings as they are and/or make them a toggle (and hint where the now separate markings are in the directory, so we can change them locally at will :P )

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Both are terrible, actually. If they aren't historical, I would prefer no markings at all.

 

A 109 with no HK is a cobra with no fangs.

 

Custom skins makes that a moot point though yes?

 

My main reason for pointing out the DCS planes was to show that this is not just a 1CGS thing... not to yay or nay the process or pros or cons of historic markings on German aircraft .. It is what it is.

 

 

 

Leave the markings as they are and/or make them a toggle (and hint where the now separate markings are in the directory, so we can change them locally at will :P )

 

That's a good idea.... That how it is in IL2..

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ZAK if you can uncover the veil of secrecy about one of this 40 fixes/futures and answer my question: will our planes will have exhausts smoke?

Not many wwII warbirds have exhaust smoke you can see very easily, except when the fuel mixture is rich and on start up too.

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If RoF is any indication, then i'm glad you can move ahead with the expansion, because it gives me hope, that BoS will benefit from the development of BoM.

 

I personally would've preferred a different theatre (Kuban for instance), reason being that almost no plane of BoS fits into BoM. But i guess at least some planes of the BoM planeset can also be used in BoS (some better than others). I-16, Mig-3, Bf 110 and Ju 88 should be interesting to fly around with in either theatre.

 

I still have hopes, that the campaign system will not just be ported from BoS to BoM, so that for single player people won't have to rely on 3rd party developers exclusively. I don't think i'll preorder BoM and i'll rather wait for how things develop this time around.

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I personally would've preferred a different theatre (Kuban for instance), reason being that almost no plane of BoS fits into BoM. But i guess at least some planes of the BoM planeset can also be used in BoS (some better than others). I-16, Mig-3, Bf 110 and Ju 88 should be interesting to fly around with in either theatre.

Having few maps as there will be and more planes you can create a perfect middle ground between BoM and BoS, I mean there were other operations and fronts between the time of Battle of Moscow and Battle of Stalingrad.

I mean VVS setup of BoM + LaGG 3 would be fairly nice meeting the Luftwaffe BoM setup with Ju-87s, He-111s.

 

I personally am happy with BoM decision, as early war (lets call it like this) is far less explored than later configurations. Only things I would like to see eventually, later, are IAR-80 and VVS Hurricane. 

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All right, this annoncement was full of good news in terms of plane set, maps and playability. It also reduce the work amount in order to open new doors, 'southly'... And Mc202 & P40... can't wait.

 

By the way, I'm willing to pay but I hope the bill won't be too high for already BoS users... Technically, is it seen as an add-on by the dev team or new game ?

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It can be used as an add on, or it can be utilised as a stand alone game as well. Similar to 'Pacific Fighters'  with the old IL2

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As I for once have more money then I usually have left in three month period, (I'm really poor by Swedish standards due to a lot of loans) I'd accept a 100$ price again.. But only if you manage to put up preorder in march.. latest! After that I'd wasted my new-found 'fortune' :wacko:

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lol!... but what about the beer and parties?

That I leave for the younger generations for now :salute:  Too many games/sims.. too little time.

Got panic attacks putting on the TrackIr hat for a while, when I thought all hope were lost for a WWII future in the air.. then comes the free unlocks and now BoM. Hope is back.

(And I have to leave some time for Project Cars, Assetto Corsa, Ride and GTA V .. so I filled my life with other trivialities :happy: March will be a nice month! I better get a dentist appointment in there too so it's not only a good news time!)

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Initially I was skeptical, had the games not been useful together.  If you can use all combined planes on all combined maps, then I'm in.  However, one final stipulation.  This game is not worth playing without a proper mission editor.  My buddies and I have all but stopped playing BoS the past two/three months because of the utter lack of content.

 

Online lobbies are okay, but without user-defined missions/scenarios etc. the game isn't worth playing.  Two of our group are still holding off until missions are doable.  Please do not put a proper mission editor on the back burner.  Other than that, excited to see some desperately needed planes (still want more non-combat planes included at some point - scout planes, transport planes etc.)

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Initially I was skeptical, had the games not been useful together.  If you can use all combined planes on all combined maps, then I'm in.  However, one final stipulation.  This game is not worth playing without a proper mission editor.  My buddies and I have all but stopped playing BoS the past two/three months because of the utter lack of content.

 

Online lobbies are okay, but without user-defined missions/scenarios etc. the game isn't worth playing.  Two of our group are still holding off until missions are doable.  Please do not put a proper mission editor on the back burner.  Other than that, excited to see some desperately needed planes (still want more non-combat planes included at some point - scout planes, transport planes etc.)

 

you didnt ask your question?

the question is what?

 

does the mission editor come before BoM?

Yes.

 

see, its that simple.

:-)

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Little skid :

 

 

 

, Assetto Corsa,
 

 

Do you know Power and Glory v3 ?  ;)

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I prefer no markings at all as well. There is some historical record of this in real life. The other options are pretty silly.

 

Totally agree. I was SO pleased to see fully historically correct user-made skins for the German planes . I hating using those game skins - really hated it so have only really started flying the German aircraft recently. And I don't even WANT to unlock the in-game German skins

 

It's such a no-brainer - just don't put ANYTHING there. Putting in a non-historical, invented, fantasy symbol just draws your attention to the wrongness.

 

PLEASE devs reconsider this. Please!!

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some people like nothing.
some people prefer a diamond outline.
some people like the 4 stripes.
some insist on the historical accurate symbol.
some want a grey diamond.
some prefer a 45° window

 

so what is the "one and only" right answer?
whatever they do, "some" will hate what they do.

so there is a 100% chance they will not please all of us.
and there is , like a 90% chance they will not please you.

 

why even bother to try and push them into one direction or another?
they can not do it "RIGHT" anyway.

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I personally would've preferred a different theatre (Kuban for instance), reason being that almost no plane of BoS fits into BoM. But i guess at least some planes of the BoM planeset can also be used in BoS (some better than others). I-16, Mig-3, Bf 110 and Ju 88 should be interesting to fly around with in either theatre.

 

On the topic of a different theatre, I'm holding out for anything that will get me a Hs 129 to fly.

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Initially I was skeptical, had the games not been useful together.  If you can use all combined planes on all combined maps, then I'm in.  However, one final stipulation.  This game is not worth playing without a proper mission editor.  My buddies and I have all but stopped playing BoS the past two/three months because of the utter lack of content.

 

Online lobbies are okay, but without user-defined missions/scenarios etc. the game isn't worth playing.  Two of our group are still holding off until missions are doable.  Please do not put a proper mission editor on the back burner.  Other than that, excited to see some desperately needed planes (still want more non-combat planes included at some point - scout planes, transport planes etc.)

 

 

I have no doubt that the Dserver and ME are coming.. and I am confident that they will be here long before BoM is released for EA.

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whatever they do, "some" will hate what they do.

 

 

In this case do nothing. :)

 

Leave the German planes tail without any drawing. People that want do their custom skins.

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In this case do nothing. :)

 

Leave the German planes tail without any drawing. People that want do their custom skins.

 

Since the peoples that want the swatiskas will use custom skins.... then it doesn't matter if the skins provided with the game uses nothing or the current drawing on the tail (since it will be wrong in both cases)

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Except custom skins with swatstikas will not be allowed on ranked servers which are important to some. Unless I'm mistaken.

 

I'm done with the topic here, however, because I don't want to hijack an otherwise (mostly) celebratory thread.

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Since the peoples that want the swatiskas will use custom skins.... then it doesn't matter if the skins provided with the game uses nothing or the current drawing on the tail (since it will be wrong in both cases)

 Unfortunately you can't use custom skins in the campaign, not that I'm actually flying it much anyway.

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Excellent!, more snow!...

 

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Yeah, More snow! :wacko:

Indeed I'm waiting for a lovely summer time map! :salute:

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 Unfortunately you can't use custom skins in the campaign, not that I'm actually flying it much anyway.

That might be what I meant  ;)

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Except custom skins with swatstikas will not be allowed on ranked servers which are important to some. Unless I'm mistaken.

You're correct

So, how does it matter if the tail skin is not correct in one way, or not correct in another way?

 

 Unfortunately you can't use custom skins in the campaign, not that I'm actually flying it much anyway.

Same answer

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Regarding the time period: if the Moscow map stretches to Rzhev then the map can be used until mid-1943.

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Notably, the db601&5 left a very visible dark exhaust trail when the throttle was increased. So much so, that intercepting 109s were often first id'd by american fighter escort pilots via their exhaust smoke plumes, as they climbed to meet the bomber stream.

 

TIFWIW

 

 

Not many wwII warbirds have exhaust smoke you can see very easily, except when the fuel mixture is rich and on start up too.

 

 

http://www.warbirdsforum.com/topic/3824-is-it-normal-for-bf-109-exhaust-smoke-to-be-visible/?p=29750

 

"Yes, a noticeable trail of thick black smoke when the throttle was abruptly opened was a trademark of Daimler Benz DB60x engines. It was a result of two features shared by these engines: fluid coupling of the supercharger transmission and direct fuel injection. 

Advantages of fluid coupling (similar to a torque converter in automotive automatic transmissions) included: a limited range of continuously variable transmission ratio between the lower and the higher supercharger speed, and torsional vibration damping for the impeller. Its disadvantage was a certain inertia. When the engine rpm suddenly increased, it took a moment for supercharger impeller to catch up.

Fuel injection meant that the amount of fuel applied was proportional to throttle settings, and – unlike suction carburetors – insensitive to momentary drops of air pressure supplied by the supercharger.

All together it meant that when the throttle lever was sharply pushed forward, the amount of fuel supplied to the piston charge increased instantly, while the amount of supercharged air increased slower (until the supercharger impeller revved up). As a result, the mixture became excessively rich, with unburned fuel producing black smoke.

This behavior was misleading for Allied pilots – their engines did not usually act like this. It lead to many false victory claims (though probably made in good faith). Allied aircraft engines in the first part of war relied on purely mechanical (geared) supercharger transmissions and suction carburetors (later also injection carburetors). Fluid coupling and direct fuel injection were implemented on a limited scale only towards the end of WWII."

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