VeteranenMissions

[216th_Xenos]

Do you have any plans for a VVS campaign in the near future?

[Veteran66]

Do you have any plans for a VVS campaign in the near future?

sorry no

[SCG_Neun]

Thank you Mastiff....I will recheck all....  Update...yep...was my mistake...Works perfectly.....

Edited July 11, 2015 by JagdNeun

[Veteran66]

Thank you Mastiff....I will recheck all....  Update...yep...was my mistake...Works perfectly.....

ok good

[LukeFF]

So, is there any way to fly the JG51 missions without having the AI crash each and every time they take off? I keep trying to fly the first mission, but all 3 of the AI planes in my flight keep crashing shortly after taking off.

[LukeFF]

Oh, a little something I found with the airfield at the start of mission 1:

 

[LukeFF]

Veteran , great job thank you to you.

 

JG51 here is my Pack with or without Hakenkreuz.

http://www.mediafire...i/Pack_JG51.zip.

 

Do you have a good link for this file? I cannot download it.

[Dr_Molenbeek]

Do you have a good link for this file? I cannot download it.

 

http://www.mediafire.com/download/xqphgh4commh7kn/Pack+JG51.zip.patch.538.507

[LukeFF]

http://www.mediafire.com/download/xqphgh4commh7kn/Pack+JG51.zip.patch.538.507

 

Thanks, but I get some sort of weird file extension I cannot open when I download it. Am I doing something wrong?

[Dr_Molenbeek]

Thanks, but I get some sort of weird file extension I cannot open when I download it. Am I doing something wrong?

 

http://www.mediafire.com/download/f9njyl2sjlnub3h/Pack+JG51.zip

 

This one should work.

 

Thanks to A-E-Hartmann btw.

[LukeFF]

http://www.mediafire.com/download/f9njyl2sjlnub3h/Pack+JG51.zip

 

This one should work.

 

Thanks, that did it!

[SharpeXB]

So, is there any way to fly the JG51 missions without having the AI crash each and every time they take off? I keep trying to fly the first mission, but all 3 of the AI planes in my flight keep crashing shortly after taking off.

This happens in the official campaign too. I think it happens unless you just go full throttle on takeoff.

[LukeFF]

This happens in the official campaign too. I think it happens unless you just go full throttle on takeoff.

 

Yeah, it's puzzling. Sometimes I see them all crash, sometimes they all make it, and sometimes one out of the three will crash. It seems like not climbing steeply after takeoff helps, but it's not always a guarantee.

[ram0506]

You have to fly straight on for a while after take off, don`t try turning too early and don`t fly too low.

[=LD=Penshoon]

It's like the AI have some code limiting them from pitching back when too close to you so instead they lower power to match your ground speed in order to avoid flying past you. Accelerate up to safe maneuvering speed before making any steep turns or climbs usually works. 

Edited August 4, 2015 by =LD=Penshoon

[Willy__]

I dont know if its related or not, but I noticed while fighting the AI, they always, ALWAYS pull up if you dive too close to the ground, even if they have clear shot of you. Maybe is something hardcoded on the AI ?

[LLv24_Zami]

I dont know if its related or not, but I noticed while fighting the AI, they always, ALWAYS pull up if you dive too close to the ground, even if they have clear shot of you. Maybe is something hardcoded on the AI ?

 

Yep, they do that very often. They could shoot you but pull up before taking a shot. Maybe their safe altitude is set too high on those cases. It`s too easy to escape AI by just flying at low altitude. I have reported this to the bug thread.

 

But on the other hand AI hit the ground quite often so something wrong with their low altitude behaviour. AI still need`s some work by devs to be satisfactory.

Edited August 4, 2015 by Zami

[LukeFF]

You have to fly straight on for a while after take off, don`t try turning too early and don`t fly too low.

 

 

It's like the AI have some code limiting them from pitching back when too close to you so instead they lower power to match your ground speed in order to avoid flying past you. Accelerate up to safe maneuvering speed before making any steep turns or climbs usually works. 

 

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

[LukeFF]

Ok, this is getting old. I'm flying mission 8 of the Fw 190 mission set right now, and every_single_time one of my planes crashes on takeoff. It doesn't matter if I fly a nice, gentle flight path after takeoff - one of them will crash every darn time. This is ridiculous. These missions are demanding enough as it is (which I like), but having to fly them with less than a full Schwarm is getting irritating.

Edited August 8, 2015 by LukeFF

[ram0506]

Mmh, tried it three times now and in all three cases all of my wingmen started successfully.

I`m waiting for take off clearance (which is given immediately after starting mission 8), full power for take off and after take off trying to gain some altitude as fast as possible. Maybe it`s a problem, when the AI is getting too close to the own aircraft after take off.

When I look at the other aircraft, I can see some strange maneuvers after their take off. They gain some altitude and then going down again, some up and downs. But if you have sufficient altitude they won`t hit the ground in their strange behaviour.

It`s true, something should be changed with AI at take off. Don`t know if it`s a problem only for the Fw190.

[Veteran66]

The AI will follow you, and crashes, it is a AI Problem i hope the Devs will fix it.

 

Try to start careful, the follow AI will start better.

 

Note this Missions work without Player Waypoints this is why the AI will follow the Player in all Situations.

[Sokol1]

AI error = player fault.

[LukeFF]

AI error = player fault.

 

Eh, no. 

 

@Veteran66: thanks for the advice. It does seem to be heavily dependent on the positioning of the AI on the runway at takeoff. In mission 10, they take off just fine without crashing. Hopefully the team can have a look at this at some point.

 

 

Maybe it`s a problem, when the AI is getting too close to the own aircraft after take off.

 

That's what it's looking like to me. The AI tends to overtake the player's plane on the runway, and as a result they try these weird maneuvers after taking off. 

[SharpeXB]

I've not had any problem with the AI takeoff in these missions, I just hit full throttle and off we all go. Maybe my Stuka problem is because I throttle up more gently to avoid engine damage and this confuses the AI?

 

I think this is it. The AI take off at full kick and if the player, who's the leader, does anything short of full throttle they get all confused and crash.

[ram0506]

I'm just puzzled at how you've raised the take-off issue in Veteranen's missions, yet I gave up flying Stuka campaign missions because of the AI nosediving on take-off. Depending on what official level of testing was done, I wonder how the sometimes dubious take off behavior was not known by you or fellow testers?

 

Hi ChiefWH,

this is not addressed at me, but nevertheless I want to give an answer. Luke reported this AI behaviour in the Beta-test. Even more than once, when I remember right.

I`m not a programmer, but I can imagine, that issues concerning the AI are not as easy to resolve as some optical glitches in the outside model or some wrong texts in the cockpits. AI is deeply hidden in the coding of the game. The developers are aware of that problem and will do their very best (as they always do) to resolve such problems, as soon as there is time for it.

(off topic: btw Luke is one of the most active testers in Beta-test. Sometimes I wonder, how he finds all those small graphical errors and mistakes. I guess, he has to stare for hours at the cockpits )

[LukeFF]

@ram0506 has it right.

 

Luke is one of the most active testers in Beta-test. Sometimes I wonder, how he finds all those small graphical errors and mistakes. I guess, he has to stare for hours at the cockpits  )

 

LOL yeah, it's just the way I've always been with beta testing. It probably stems in part from my job, which essentially requires me to look and listen closely for any errors or problems. 

[Veteran66]

Luke is a tester Monster

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

 

 

This happens in the official campaign too. I think it happens unless you just go full throttle on takeoff.

 

This was the fix for me, running full throttle for takeoff. AI does not seem to be able to cope if you aren't running full throttle, slows down just after takeoff and crashes.

[Freycinet]

So, the fix works on a regular basis? If full throttle take-off is all it takes then that's good news.

[LLv24_Zami]

So, the fix works on a regular basis? If full throttle take-off is all it takes then that's good news.

 

IMO it helps a lot. I haven`t had wingman take off crash for a long time. Full throttle at take off and fly straight and smoothly for a 10-15 seconds after that.

[wtornado]

The AI will follow you, and crashes, it is a AI Problem i hope the Devs will fix it.

 

Try to start careful, the follow AI will start better.

 

Note this Missions work without Player Waypoints this is why the AI will follow the Player in all Situations.

I crash and the AI's follow me to our death.They are well trained in following.

 

I crash more than the AI's some days unfortunately.

[III/JG2Gustav05]

Hello guys, Is there a hotfix of JG3 mission pack for latest version of BOS? thanks a lot.

Edited August 29, 2015 by III/JG2Gustav05

[Dakpilot]

1st post is link to updated one

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[LukeFF]

I just want to put in my congrats to @Veteran66 for the great job he did with the KG27 missions. The narration of the navigator calling out course corrections, crewmen calling out warnings about flak, and the sound of the radioman receiving and then reporting on enemy fighter sightings all combine to make these missions, very, very well-done. I'm hoping he gives the Ju 88 similar treatment! 

[Veteran66]

new Mission in work:

I hope i get the mission ready this week

 

Panzer battle at Kalatsch:

Edited November 24, 2015 by Veteran66

[Yogiflight]

Really great news. I´m looking for it.

[LLv24_Zami]

Looks like fun!

[Veteran66]

here the Panzer Mission:

 

 

 

Panzer_Marsch1 Download_from_www.mission4today.com

 

 

 

 

The tank battle of Kalatsch

 

The 6th army attacked the Russian troops west of Kalatsch in the morning of August, 7th 1942. to encircle them in a cauldron battle. 

Already in the evening the pocket could be closed to the west of the Don river by the 16th tank division to the north and by the 24th tank division to the south. 

 

Today, August, 8th, our tank forces continue the attack on the encircled Russian troops.

 

 

if message come "Attention! New enemie report!", please open your map.

 

I add some "Radio Calls" i hope you like it

 

thx ram0506 for the english translate

Edited November 26, 2015 by Veteran66

[A-E-Hartmann]

Nice , thank you very much .

[LLv24_Zami]

Thanks a lot!