DCS

[Archie]

On 3/21/2021 at 1:18 PM, LuseKofte said:

That is in reality what I do, and Mossie will be great for that

Yep, that's my plan. In fact I hardly ever shoot or bomb anything in DCS, just love the flying aspect.

Edited March 22, 2021 by Archie

[dburne]

Why I so love flying campaigns in my Hornet from a sea base.

The Super Carrier.

 

 

[DD_fruitbat]

11 hours ago, Hoots said:

Realists are such downers...

 

Well, the patch status page has been updated today....

 

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Posted May 14, 2020

Stable Version

Currently version number: DCS 2.5.6.61527.3

Next update: To be announced

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Open Beta Public testing build

Currently version number: DCS 2.5.6.61527.3 Open Beta 

Next update: Planned 31st March 2021 ( subject to change )

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Thank you

 

[CanadaOne]

6 hours ago, Archie said:

Yep, that's my plan. In fact I hardly ever shoot or bomb anything in DCS, just love the flying aspect.

 

I do a lot of just-flying-for-fun in DCS. Such a wide variety of planes and choppers and terrains and airfields. There's a lot of fun to be had.

 

But, I mean, you know... "KABOOM!"  It's gotta happen sometimes. 

[Archie]

1 minute ago, CanadaOne said:

 

I do a lot of just-flying-for-fun in DCS. Such a wide variety of planes and choppers and terrains and airfields. There's a lot of fun to be had.

 

But, I mean, you know... "KABOOM!"  It's gotta happen sometimes. 

Well you know, sometimes I press the button...

[Bremspropeller]

 

 

Edited March 22, 2021 by Bremspropeller

[dburne]

Oh great yet more weapon modes to learn for the Hornet!

[DBFlyguy]

4 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

 

Looks like we're finally getting the ATFLIR pod!

 

 

 

On another note, DCS seems to attract all of the talented video makers, this is so freaking cool if you haven't seen it already:

 

 

Edited March 23, 2021 by DBFlyguy

[Bremspropeller]

6 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

Looks like we're finally getting the ATFLIR pod!

 

Let's hope it's not all that different to use than the Litening.

[Tyberan]

The new clouds and localised rain effects looks tasty AF. 

Edited March 23, 2021 by Tyberan

[CanadaOne]

12 hours ago, dburne said:

Oh great yet more weapon modes to learn for the Hornet!

 

The Hornet is going to be a weeks-long project I'm sure. I've already clumsily handled several of the smart munitions, but after not flying the F-18 for a while I've forgotten most of it. But I did manage to get a decent HOTAS and Voice Attack setup and could work the MFDs and HMCS adequately. But I've forgotten most of that as well. I just ordered a mega-mouse with beaucoup buttons (should be here tomorrow, after today's 2.7 update ) and that should help with the billion & one inputs required.

 

But for the moment, it's Harrier, all Harrier, and nothing but Harrier. Short of a cold start, which I have no interest in doing, I've got most of it under control.

[dburne]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

 

The Hornet is going to be a weeks-long project I'm sure. I've already clumsily handled several of the smart munitions, but after not flying the F-18 for a while I've forgotten most of it. But I did manage to get a decent HOTAS and Voice Attack setup and could work the MFDs and HMCS adequately. But I've forgotten most of that as well. I just ordered a mega-mouse with beaucoup buttons (should be here tomorrow, after today's 2.7 update ) and that should help with the billion & one inputs required.

 

But for the moment, it's Harrier, all Harrier, and nothing but Harrier. Short of a cold start, which I have no interest in doing, I've got most of it under control.

 

FWIW - Vaicom Pro for DCS with Voice Attack is da bomb.

I love cold starting missions in the Hornet. Especially at night using the flashlight to get it going.

[DD_fruitbat]

@CanadaOne

 

Cold starting the harrier, is actually incredibly easy, for what its worth.

 

Regarding relearning stuff on the Hornet,  HARM stuff i don't mind at all, as brings it more in line with the Viper anyway, and what I've already learnt, plus gives better SEAD capabilities. 

 

I have mixed feelings on the ATFLIR pod, lol. Most of me is happy, as its what the Hornet actually had, but then theres the other part of me, that knows its going to be completely different to operate, and probably have to be learnt from scratch!!!!

[CanadaOne]

21 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

FWIW - Vaicom Pro for DCS with Voice Attack is da bomb.

I love cold starting missions in the Hornet. Especially at night using the flashlight to get it going.

 

Vaicom is for talking to wingmen, right? I usually fly solo but I'm wiling to expand my missions a bit.

 

As for cold starting, I can definitely see how some people would enjoy it. It's a cool tech interaction. I suppose if I tried it I might like it. 

1 minute ago, DD_fruitbat said:

@CanadaOne

 

Cold starting the harrier, is actually incredibly easy, for what its worth.

 

Regarding relearning stuff on the Hornet,  HARM stuff i don't mind at all, as brings it more in line with the Viper anyway, and what I've already learnt, plus gives better SEAD capabilities. 

 

I have mixed feelings on the ATFLIR pod, lol. Most of me is happy, as its what the Hornet actually had, but then theres the other part of me, that knows its going to be completely different to operate, and probably have to be learnt from scratch!!!!

 

Morning,

 

I might try a Harrier start. Or should I say I'll watch a video tutorial about a Harrier start.  Maybe it really is two-minutes of tech fun and then you're flying the plane you fired up. Yeah, I guess I can see the fun/satisfaction in that.

 

I'm looking forward to jumping back into the Hornet, but I want to go at it in a systematic fashion; a bottle of bourbon dedicated to the process, the laptop with tutorials beside me, and the HOTAS set up right. Should be fun. There's no way I will master the plane, but I definitely want to be able to do more with it than I can now.

[dburne]

49 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Vaicom is for talking to wingmen, right? I usually fly solo but I'm wiling to expand my missions a bit.

 

As for cold starting, I can definitely see how some people would enjoy it. It's a cool tech interaction. I suppose if I tried it I might like it. 

 

 

 

Wingmen, ATC, Ground Crew, Nine Line, Tankers. Very immersive with no on screen menus to deal with.

Edited March 23, 2021 by dburne

[DD_fruitbat]

Sounds like there's an ATFLIR pod video fairly imminent, should be interesting ?

[Robli]

1 hour ago, DD_fruitbat said:

I have mixed feelings on the ATFLIR pod, lol. Most of me is happy, as its what the Hornet actually had, but then theres the other part of me, that knows its going to be completely different to operate, and probably have to be learnt from scratch!!!!

 

Do you know then that it is that much different to operate compared to Litening? 

I have understood that the main difference is that ATFLIR has better magnification, so more capable when using from high altitudes, and is in general rougher and more durable, so more suitable for Navy and hard landings on carriers. I just wonder how much different it could be from the operating point of view.

[DD_fruitbat]

22 minutes ago, Robli said:

 

Do you know then that it is that much different to operate compared to Litening? 

I have understood that the main difference is that ATFLIR has better magnification, so more capable when using from high altitudes, and is in general rougher and more durable, so more suitable for Navy and hard landings on carriers. I just wonder how much different it could be from the operating point of view.

 

I don't know at all,  just guess work on my part. But considering how the intergration of the same pod in the A10, Viper and Harrier is different, in how its used and operated as to functionality and shortcuts,  I don't imagine that a completely different pod made by a different company, is going to be laid out in a similar way as we're used to.

 

That said, i don't think it will be anymore difficult at all, just different.

 

We'll find out soon!

[DBFlyguy]

Here's some info from the Raytheon:

https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/atflir

 

And a global security article:

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/atflir.htm

 

There's not a ton of publicly available info on it but it's evidently really good at tracking UFOs....

[Lusekofte]

On 3/22/2021 at 2:49 PM, Archie said:

Yep, that's my plan. In fact I hardly ever shoot or bomb anything in DCS, just love the flying aspect.

I like the flying aspect in DCS better than in 2020 and GB. 

For those thinking I am saying DCS is more realistic than others. I am not, I say I like it better. 

I wish that feel could be transfered to fs 2020, in my point of view it is not. 

If Mossie keep the same standard as P 47 and I 16 . I am a happy man

[dburne]

I have already purchased the Raven One Campaign for the Hornet, but I think I maybe am still a little too early in the process for me to try tackling this one.

Hopefully won't be too much longer, it is one sexy looking campaign.

 

 

[CanadaOne]

6 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

I like the flying aspect in DCS better than in 2020 and GB. 

For those thinking I am saying DCS is more realistic than others. I am not, I say I like it better. 

I wish that feel could be transfered to fs 2020, in my point of view it is not. 

If Mossie keep the same standard as P 47 and I 16 . I am a happy man

 

I can understand that. DCS certainly has boatloads more variety than any other flightsim at the moment, and it looks pretty damn good while doing it.

 

I'm a bit on the fence for the Hind because I like the autopilot action with the Ka-50 much more than the conventional choppers, but I'll drop the cash on the  Mosquito just as fast as Steam can register my key strokes. The only question is how much they will charge. The P-47 was $77Cdn. (tax in). 

[Tyberan]

Wait they made a Raven one campaign for DCS, thats awesome.  Big fan of the books, also is that Jello from the Fighter Pilot Podcast? I need to check this out

[Gambit21]

 Yes

[DBFlyguy]

19 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

I can understand that. DCS certainly has boatloads more variety than any other flightsim at the moment, and it looks pretty damn good while doing it.

 

I'm a bit on the fence for the Hind because I like the autopilot action with the Ka-50 much more than the conventional choppers, but I'll drop the cash on the  Mosquito just as fast as Steam can register my key strokes. The only question is how much they will charge. The P-47 was $77Cdn. (tax in). 

 

The more I think about it especially lately with some of the hangups I'm seeing with Great Battles and DCS, the more I've realized its just not really fair to compare DCS (Eagle Dynamics) and IL2 Great Battles (1C/777).  The only thing they have in common is they both depict WWII aircraft in one aspect or another.  The companies themselves (ED and 1C/777) aren't comparable.  Just the amount of money, time/effort and staff Eagle Dynamics puts into just marketing DCS alone probably dwarfs the entirety of the budget at 1C/777 for Great Battles.  Eagle Dynamics is more inline with somewhere in between Gajin Entertainment and Bohemia Interactive while Microsoft/Asobo is writing their own rule book with FS2020, they are light years ahead of anyone else by name recognition alone and this will only grow once it finally hits Xbox.  All of them have their strengths and weaknesses and enjoyable in their own ways but comparing them doesn't really make much sense, they are vastly different.

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, DBFlyguy said:

 

The more I think about it especially lately with some of the hangups I'm seeing with Great Battles and DCS, the more I've realized its just not really fair to compare DCS (Eagle Dynamics) and IL2 Great Battles (1C/777).  The only thing they have in common is they both depict WWII aircraft in one aspect or another.  The companies themselves (ED and 1C/777) aren't comparable.  Just the amount of money, time/effort and staff Eagle Dynamics puts into just marketing DCS alone probably dwarfs the entirety of the budget at 1C/777 for Great Battles.  Eagle Dynamics is more inline with somewhere in between Gajin Entertainment and Bohemia Interactive while Microsoft/Asobo is writing their own rule book with FS2020, they are light years ahead of anyone else by name recognition alone and this will only grow once it finally hits Xbox.  All of them have their strengths and weaknesses and enjoyable in their own ways but comparing them doesn't really make much sense, they are vastly different.

 

That's why we should all own both. 

 

As Luse mentioned, he found the "flying aspect" (sense of flight?) better in DCS. I think that's fair. Others will disagree and find the sense of flight better in IL2 or FS2020. But Luse is, as we all are, allowed to prefer one over the other. I find the WWII A2A action much better in Il2. More fluid, more FPS, and the immersive atmospherics are first rate. For ground pounding, DCS takes it by a country mile. There are also "philosophical" differences between the sims; DCS is more "do what you want" and IL2 is more "do as we have offered". Some enjoy the former and some enjoy the latter.

 

I don't think comparing them is unreasonable, as long as we don't misrepresent what each is.

Edited March 24, 2021 by CanadaOne

[unlikely_spider]

Personally, I shy away from comparing flight sims to each other. But I will jump head first into a comparison between a flight sim and image editing software. For example, DCS has much better and immersive single-player campaigns than Adobe Photoshop. But when it comes to non-destructive editing using adjustment layers, most people can agree that Photoshop puts DCS to shame.

[CanadaOne]

2 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

Personally, I shy away from comparing flight sims to each other. But I will jump head first into a comparison between a flight sim and image editing software. For example, DCS has much better and immersive single-player campaigns than Adobe Photoshop. But when it comes to non-destructive editing using adjustment layers, most people can agree that Photoshop puts DCS to shame.

 

The adjustment layers were totally nerfed in the last update. I'm surprised you didn't notice. Now they're barely non-destructive at all. 

 

 

On the plus side... new super mouse arrived today! 

 

[dburne]

DCS and IL-2 GB are both wonderful for what they do and I love both and fully support both through my purchases and use of their products.

IL-2 get all my WWII sim time, DCS for the jets now. I don't really even view them as competitors.

[Robli]

46 minutes ago, dburne said:

DCS and IL-2 GB are both wonderful for what they do and I love both and fully support both through my purchases and use of their products.

IL-2 get all my WWII sim time, DCS for the jets now. I don't really even view them as competitors.

 

My views exactly.

IL-2 GB is the best WWII air combat sim for me. DCS is for jets and helicopters and operating the systems.

One thing that I like about DCS is that the world looks more alive, with civilian cars, buses, trains, boats etc taking care of the daily business. IL-2 world is empty in that sense.

[dburne]

7 minutes ago, Robli said:

 

My views exactly.

IL-2 GB is the best WWII air combat sim for me. DCS is for jets and helicopters and operating the systems.

One thing that I like about DCS is that the world looks more alive, with civilian cars, buses, trains, boats etc taking care of the daily business. IL-2 world is empty in that sense.

 

It is a bit of a rush sitting on the Super Carrier in the Hornet waiting my turn  watching all the crew working whilst other jets are taking off.

When my number is called I am like oh crap I better hurry up and taxi to my assigned catapult or I am going to get some evil looks LOL.

And even then I taxi to just short of the blast deflector as a jet is about to take off right in front of me.

Edited March 24, 2021 by dburne

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, Robli said:

 

My views exactly.

IL-2 GB is the best WWII air combat sim for me. DCS is for jets and helicopters and operating the systems.

One thing that I like about DCS is that the world looks more alive, with civilian cars, buses, trains, boats etc taking care of the daily business. IL-2 world is empty in that sense.

 

The DCS maps are much more alive, that's for sure. I still find it odd that the IL2 QMB maps are so dead. Dead cities, dead airfields, a whole lot of... not a lot at all. It's a shame. 

[DBFlyguy]

 

Yeah IL-2 GB maps could use a LOT more life.... some livestock, birds, civilian road, sea and rail traffic!

[Gambit21]

3 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

The adjustment layers were totally nerfed in the last update. I'm surprised you didn't notice. Now they're barely non-destructive at all. 

 

 

On the plus side... new super mouse arrived today! 

 

 

Send me a PM after you've used it for a bit...I'll need a new mouse soon.

[DBFlyguy]

Wags just dropped the ATFLIR info vid:

 

 

[CanadaOne]

13 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Send me a PM after you've used it for a bit...I'll need a new mouse soon.

 

I'll send you one sooner than that! 

[Lusekofte]

10 hours ago, unlikely_spider said:

Personally, I shy away from comparing flight sims to each other. But I will jump head first into a comparison between a flight sim and image editing software. For example, DCS has much better and immersive single-player campaigns than Adobe Photoshop. But when it comes to non-destructive editing using adjustment layers, most people can agree that Photoshop puts DCS to shame.

Iwas not comparing, I was just expressing my opinion on my preference when it comes to just flying around. For other things I like other sims better

[Hoots]

10 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

The adjustment layers were totally nerfed in the last update. I'm surprised you didn't notice. Now they're barely non-destructive at all. 

 

 

On the plus side... new super mouse arrived today! 

 

I see you’ve let your inner teenager run riot with your wallet

[CanadaOne]

2 hours ago, Hoots said:

I see you’ve let your inner teenager run riot with your wallet

 

But... I needed it. 

[Lusekofte]

7 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

But... I needed it. 

You are smart, clever and young  

I am old stupid and unable to learn by earlier mistakes.

I really needed this

And where the heck shall I put it? 

And what the heck shall I do with 3 throttles