DCS

[BOO]

34 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Their Syria map will be directly compared to the Channel map, they have to know that.

Normandy has improved a lot but its still far from perfect (what is). But it took 4 years and likely a lot of that, when it happened, was to do with ED given Normandy was the supposed playground for their WW2 stuff. I dunno for sure but i think the map was salvaged by Ugra on behalf of ED who in turn salvaged it from a failed kickstarter (?) as opposed to being made from scratch so i dont think its fair to pin it all on Ugra. In fact i would go as far as to say it was probably nothing in the control of Ugra. 

 

No,  the reason i am cautious is the total (and i do mean total) lack of interaction with the community on the dcs forum despite having their own thread for the past 4 years. Not even a "please direct your concerns to ED". It may be a different case on the Rusian fourums but im not russian and neither are my quids. Call me old fashioned but if you take my english groats, make some effort to communicate to me in my english tongue instead of expecting me to learn cryllic. ED is as guilty here with endless non commital replies so, again im not pinning it all on Ugra.  

 

We already see the appararent lack of pressure ED can put on its 3rd party devs (Razbam, VEAO) and the endless buggeration updates cause them even when they are on good terms. If every dev was Heatblur id feel happier but sadly they are not. I wish them the best (and hope its a version of PG tech) but am prepared for the worst when it comes to bug fixes.  

2 minutes ago, dburne said:

Did the Channel Map performance improve any in that last update?

Dunno - did they take the washing in? 

[Bremspropeller]

More interested in the free Marianns map, to be honest.

I feel like I have already shoved enough ca$h down ED's throat and they're not really fast in delivering airplanes and maps.

 

Effing around with the functionality of systems throughout the pre-release time doesn't really improve the customer experience either...

[BOO]

12 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

More interested in the free Marianns map, to be honest.

I feel like I have already shoved enough ca$h down ED's throat and they're not really fast in delivering airplanes and maps.

 

Effing around with the functionality of systems throughout the pre-release time doesn't really improve the customer experience either...

In a funny sort of way you do have to admire the dedication to realism they take in managing to mimick realworld military development programmes in order

to bring us half baked stuff behind schedule and way over the budgets we orignally anticipated we would need to just run em... ?

 

Still noone else is doing it so I guess I should grateful for what i do get.

[DD_fruitbat]

Finally got around to trying the P47 today, its not a plane I have ever had a particular affection for, have always preferred the 51 at airshows and in sims. 

 

Got to say, I really like it!

 

 

[Lusekofte]

35 minutes ago, dburne said:

Did the Channel Map performance improve any in that last update?

I have turned up settings a bit. I have not yet noticed improvemenys. But mine was smooth before update. 
so I am in process of tweaking up the graphics to find out

[BOO]

2 hours ago, DD_fruitbat said:

Finally got around to trying the P47 today, its not a plane I have ever had a particular affection for, have always preferred the 51 at airshows and in sims. 

 

Got to say, I really like it!

 

 

Was i the only one shouting 7 FT PROP!! at the end? 

 

It looks very nice as does the map but i fear my pc wouldnt turn the crank on it.  And i couldnt live with medium or low settings. 

[Dijital_Majik]

3 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

More interested in the free Marianns map, to be honest.

I feel like I have already shoved enough ca$h down ED's throat and they're not really fast in delivering airplanes and maps.

 

Effing around with the functionality of systems throughout the pre-release time doesn't really improve the customer experience either...

 

Have to agree with you there.  I've commited to not purchasing anything more from them until they get a hold of their situation that seems to be deteriorating by the day.  They have a lot of tech-debt to catch up on, both module and core game-wise before they gain back my trust to invest any more money.

 

In the meantime, I'm happy to enjoy what I have so far (as long as it doesn't get broken)

[Tycoon]

Anyone who flies dcs and GB can you say how spotting contacts compares? 

thx

[CanadaOne]

9 minutes ago, Tycoon said:

Anyone who flies dcs and GB can you say how spotting contacts compares? 

thx

 

I find spotting much more difficult in DCS.

 

As far as WWII A2A goes, I think IL2 wins buy a mile.

[Lusekofte]

I find spotting ground targets much more realistic in DCS and better. For a 2 a it is when you spot them you do not loose them stable. But I find spotting distance close to each other and DCS got these clear pixels while gb have this smooth edges difficult to spot. I would not say better at distance but more stable

[CanadaOne]

40 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I find spotting ground targets much more realistic in DCS and better.

 

 

I was just speaking to A2A spotting before. I much prefer IL2 in A2A.

 

I like the DCS ground spotting. But I like it in IL2 as well. The DCS maps are more realistic and the ground objects more detailed and maybe that just makes ground pounding more fun. In IL2 - notwithstanding its more "cartoonish" maps and objects - you do get great FPS which makes hunting ground objects amongst the clutter pretty smooth in it's own way.

[Lusekofte]

Honestly. A 2 A suck in both games. The rendering in target objects in gb flying at 5 k is aweful. You aim at the target and right over it perfectly new complete buildings suddenly turn into bombed structures.  
It is very frustrating considering you spent an hour climbing and getting there. 
I now ditched multiplayer in all sims. The gameplay endorsed by the many is 

like I rather choose counterstrike

Edited June 13, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Tycoon]

Thanks for the replies, I've got 16 gig ram with a 1070. will that do it for 1440p? I don't mind doing low settings.  Is the beta thing still going on or is there just one version now?

 

Thanks.

[Garven]

12 minutes ago, Tycoon said:

Thanks for the replies, I've got 16 gig ram with a 1070. will that do it for 1440p? I don't mind doing low settings.  Is the beta thing still going on or is there just one version now?

 

Thanks.

I think most people play open Beta.  I only have that one installed.

[CanadaOne]

2 hours ago, Tycoon said:

Thanks for the replies, I've got 16 gig ram with a 1070. will that do it for 1440p? I don't mind doing low settings.  Is the beta thing still going on or is there just one version now?

 

Thanks.

 

Don't know about 1440p but you'll get 1080p pretty good.

 

Open Beta for me.

[dburne]

Yeah I think most play the Open Beta also. Some have both Open Beta and Stable installed. I used to myself but found I never really used Stable, so when I built this new rig 

last year I only installed the Beta.

 

Just be aware, whilst it is cool to get some of the new features sooner, you also can get some of the new bugs sooner...

[Dijital_Majik]

2 hours ago, Tycoon said:

Thanks for the replies, I've got 16 gig ram with a 1070. will that do it for 1440p? I don't mind doing low settings.  Is the beta thing still going on or is there just one version now?

 

Thanks.

 

Open beta is where most servers are for MP.  Just realise that the Beta and Stable names aren't really indicitive of what you expect compared to other games' use of the terms.  Stable is not really "stable", but more like a delayed,  Open Beta push, with sometimes some serious bugs still present.  Open Beta can be more like an alpha sometimes, with new updates occasionally breaking seemingly unreated things, but is usually updated very frequently to sort out the more egregious issues.  Take that for what you will.

 

Anyway, the base game is free, no harm in installing, having a play with graphics settings to see if it works on your computer, and get a feel for things with the free planes and missions.

[DD_Arthur]

No peddles = no choppers for me but the Harrier is still great fun!

 

[GP*]

The DCS P-47 is the first combat sim I’ve flown that has done this girl any justice...and it’s not even done yet. We’ll see how the DM and refined engine ops limits turn out, but I’m cautiously optimistic. 
 

Alternating between the Spitfire (also fantastic) and the P-47 on the channel map in VR has been my favorite flight sim experience yet. 
 

Regarding the channel map, yes it is tough on PCs. I hope it gets tuned over time to run a bit more smoothly. But if we can take a break from discussing its performance and focus on the content provided, I must say, it’s an epic map. A quick personal story: in 2018 I was returning from a deployment in the ME; the first leg of the return was from our deployed location to RAF Lakenheath. After crossing over France (over 6 hours later), I finally got to see history’s most legendary aerial battleground. Flying over Normandy, the Channel, the Cliffs of Dover, and then souther England was a dream come true in its own right. Our 6-ship was also greeted by more enthusiast photographers than I’ve ever seen in my life...very cool. Anyway, back to DCS: after a sortie fighting a few 190s in a Spit, I started to RTB and traded some altitude for airspeed to separate away from a few 109s that were close by. After clearing my 6 and looking forward, the view of the Channel and southern England matched up so close to reality (even the cloud cover that day) that I had an immediate flashback. It was easily one of the most enjoyable sim moments I’ve had in recent history. 

[DD_fruitbat]

Sight seeing around Dover from 4 mins, take of from Hawkinge and flight up the coast first, (declaimer, I am not a good helicopter pilot!!!).

 

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by DD_fruitbat

[Archie]

1 hour ago, DD_fruitbat said:

Sight seeing around Dover from 4 mins, take of from Hawkinge and flight up the coast first, (declaimer, I am not a good helicopter pilot!!!).

 

 

Is it true they have the Isle of Dogs on the map? I've bought it but not had a chance to get on the pc yet. 
I lived there for a few years in my youth.
I quite fancy a tip and run raid on Dover in an A8 lol

Edited June 14, 2020 by Archie

[Tycoon]

Is there some basic optimization that needs to be done after install? I'm getting 100 fps but the stutters are really bad.

[DD_Arthur]

2 minutes ago, Tycoon said:

Is there some basic optimization that needs to be done after install? I'm getting 100 fps but the stutters are really bad.

 

Be aware that DCS can be.....odd.  I fly in VR.  DCS has a VR preset. If I press it the game looks awful and runs terribly.  If I whack the settings up across the board the game looks good and runs really well. 

In the meantime have a look through this;

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=201600

[Tycoon]

So I read that trakir use above 60 fps causes stutters, so i limited the fps and lowered all settings and the frequency of the stutters went down but they still happen about every 20 seconds, and they last for about 3 seconds, not really playable right now.

[AndyJWest]

Introducing the US Navy's latest project: the UHCV-1-72 nuclear-powered helicopter. I think it needs a larger rotor though, as I can't seem to get it airborne. 

 

 

Notice the deck-dudes in the back studiously ignoring me. I don't think they're impressed...

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

4 hours ago, Tycoon said:

Is there some basic optimization that needs to be done after install? I'm getting 100 fps but the stutters are really bad.

 

Full screen or borderless windowed?  G-Sync, V-Sync, none?

 

See what happens when you uncheck Full Screen and ditch any V-Sync

 

Are you going to grow one of those 1970s mustaches now so you can fly the Tomcat?  "If you ever need RIO, just give me a call" (just kidding, Iceman ?)

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by SeaSerpent

[Tycoon]

Heh I was thinking your alter ego would be iceman.? I've been playing a bit more and it seems to be better, maybe as the mission goes on the loading catches up or something i don't know.

 

Me and my brother for a while have been thinking of picking up the tomcat, but at 160 total bucks it's kinda expensive if we don't stick with it, maybe I'll pick up a copy and see if it's any good before getting a second.

 

Plus it doesn't help that I feel absolutely screwed over by other flight sims, between the complete and total destruction of FC and not being able to get into GB because of the spotting, just feels like a waste of money this sim.

Edited June 15, 2020 by Tycoon

[Guest deleted@83466]

54 minutes ago, Tycoon said:

Heh I was thinking your alter ego would be iceman.? I've been playing a bit more and it seems to be better, maybe as the mission goes on the loading catches up or something i don't know.

 

Me and my brother for a while have been thinking of picking up the tomcat, but at 160 total bucks it's kinda expensive if we don't stick with it, maybe I'll pick up a copy and see if it's any good before getting a second.

 

Plus it doesn't help that I feel absolutely screwed over by other flight sims, between the complete and total destruction of FC and not being able to get into GB because of the spotting, just feels like a waste of money this sim.

 

That plane is solid, it's just a matter of how committed you and your brother are to really learning what there is.  You'll find they bitch and moan in DCS as they do in IL-2.

 

 

[Bremspropeller]

Just saw the current FAQ-thread on the Syria map and some more screenshots.

Damn, that's a nice-looking map!

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=278048

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

Today time to buy The Channel map, got some extra up the sleeve Only gripe I have in DCS are the propellor discs. Best ones are on Dora and Pony, rest are outright bad with their low res pixelation etc.

 

Nevertheless need to map controllers for the Jug and start doing some ground pounding in it. Liking the plane more I fly it. 

 

Wasn't Ugra Media responsible for BoBp map? It stands out as not so good compared to Kuban, Moscow or even Stalingrad. Repetitive tiles, ruler drawn lines here and there etc. Both Normandy and Channel in DCS need work, they have a lot of potential. 

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, Bremspropeller said:

Just saw the current FAQ-thread on the Syria map and some more screenshots.

Damn, that's a nice-looking map!

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=278048

 

Yep, it's a day-one purchase for sure. I love the idea of having a map to suit every flying mood.

 

I hope they make a Kashmir map at one point. That could be very cool.

[fiddlinjim]

The previous DCS hotpatch actually helped The Channel Map in VR, but todays 6/17/20 hotpatch ruined everything 

and it appears to be worse than ever.

[AndyJWest]

There is a thread on DCS. We don't need a new one on every patch.

[Dijital_Majik]

 

[AndyJWest]

Yeah, saw that. Definitely going to give the Tomcat a try, and the Viggen too, if I have the time.

 

Changing the subject slightly, how do people who fly both fixed-wing and choppers on DCS normally configure their HOTAS? Not having a dedicated collective (do they even make them, at any sensible price?), I've been using the throttle control (forward and back) for collective pitch, but can't make up my mind which way it ought to move.

 

In a chopper, you pull the collective to go up, and push to go down. Sensible enough, and since the in-cockpit collective moves that way, doing the same with the throttle makes sense, except that it is totally contrary to the way you use a throttle on a fixed-wing. The consequence is that when I switch from flying the Huey to the Hornet, or vice-versa, I sometimes tend to move it in the wrong direction if I'm not thinking about what I'm doing. Usually at exactly the wrong moment. ? Should I stick with it, and try to convince this old dog that he's got to learn at least one new trick? Should I try to learn how to fly the Huey with the collective moving the 'wrong' way'? Or should I take a two-week break between flying fixed-wing and choppers, on the basis that by that time I've probably forgotten how to fly entirely, so the problem won't arise...

[Dijital_Majik]

9 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

I've been using the throttle control (forward and back) for collective pitch, but can't make up my mind which way it ought to move.

 

I have the exact same dilemma.  I only have the Huey, and rarely fly it, but it doesn't help that invert the axis often to see which I prefer, and end up confused when flying, often hard into the ground during VRS.

 

There are a couple collectives out there (Kommodo, Puma flight trainer) and Virpil are coming out with a one too:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBFnr61h7VM/

 

Edited June 18, 2020 by Dijital_Majik

[CanadaOne]

I se the throttle the wrong way. Always take a minute (and more) to get used to it.

[Guest deleted@83466]

The laws of Flight Sim purity demand that you reverse your collective from how you have it for Fixed Wing!  Real men pull collective to increase ?

[Tektolnes]

I just leave the throttle as is to keep things simple for my brain - forward for pull collective. 

[CanadaOne]

10 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

Yeah, saw that. Definitely going to give the Tomcat a try, and the Viggen too, if I have the time.

 

 

It's about time the Viggen people gave us a taste. A month of every plane and map for free and not a five minute demo with the Viggen. Looking forward to it. And to trying out the F-14 with the carrier.