Combat Box by Red Flight

[Barnacles]

2 hours ago, 56RAF_Talisman said:

 

All I can say is try handling 12 to 14 pilots from different squads cooperating together, selecting target, then selecting aircraft types (bombers and fighter escort), selecting appropriate armament loadout for target, bomb delay, fuel load, assigning pilots to aircraft type, the bombers discussing the best route, then planning the route using mission planner for accurate headings, selecting best egress route home and RV points.  Then doing same for secondary target if primary target taken out on route.  The plan, together with in flight organisation instructions is then formally briefed for full understanding and questions.  After strike on ground target some pilots shot down or flying home slow with damage, so some pilots waiting longer than others for all pilots to return.  Then squad debrief and get ready for next mission again and perhaps a bath room break.  Not an exhaustive list, but I hope you get the idea.  So doing all this, and more when other issues crop up, trying not to have pilots made lost to us and unavailable due to 5 minute server kick and can't get back in due to the server being full.  That is more or less why I asked.  Just asking if it is possible for you to take into consideration, because we have not been able to fly your server as much as we would have liked lately.  I completely understand if you don't want to extend the 5 minutes.

 

Happy landings,

 

56RAF_Talisman

 

Bet it's like herding cats.

 

 

[Legioneod]

What happened to regular Combat Box? All I see is training and dogfight.

[RedKestrel]

1 hour ago, Legioneod said:

What happened to regular Combat Box? All I see is training and dogfight.

They’ve Been having server issues this weekend it seems. Looks to be up now.

[Otto_bann]

5 hours ago, Mobile_BBQ said:

Was this at the airfield or ditching out in the wild?

 

In the wild (out of fuel) but rules say we can't shoot ennemies at ground, not at airfield isn't it?

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

3 hours ago, Otto_bann said:

 

In the wild (out of fuel) but rules say we can't shoot ennemies at ground, not at airfield isn't it?

 

I asked Alonzo about the rule and strafing ditched planes when he was on the server a couple nights ago.  Not to put words in his mouth, but his response indicated that it was legal away from the airfield and in the wild.  However, the person doing the strafing was, in his view, of questionable worth as a human being - to put it lightly. 

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

6 hours ago, Otto_bann said:

 

In the wild (out of fuel) but rules say we can't shoot ennemies at ground, not at airfield isn't it?

@Otto_bann

You can still shoot planes
landing on a runway,
Taxiing after landing, 
Landing in the wild
Taking off in the wild..

You just cannot shoot new planes starting up and taxiing but once they take off thats it
even if they land at home you can strafe the runway and shoot them on the ground. 
It only helps new players who join from not being shot in spawn. 

That being said it takes a special kind of player to continue to shoot someone who is already crashed and classed as destroyed. 
get it a lot in Attacker. (plane on fire and wing missing, but then still get pilot shot by another guy who was late) 

 

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

12 minutes ago, =TBAS=Sschatten14 said:

@Otto_bann

You can still shoot planes
landing on a runway,
Taxiing after landing, 

 

 

First I'm hearing of this.  It's fucking stupid if that's the case.   

On the ground, on the home airfields should be exactly that.  It shouldn't matter if it's taking off or landing.   

Edit:  During landing I can see.  Once the wheels touch down though....

Edited February 9, 2020 by Mobile_BBQ

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

5 minutes ago, Mobile_BBQ said:

 

First I'm hearing of this.  It's fucking stupid if that's the case.   

On the ground, on the home airfields should be exactly that.  It shouldn't matter if it's taking off or landing.   

Edit:  During landing I can see.  Once the wheels touch down though....

There is no point making laws they did not have in WW2.
After all its not just a Plane Simulator or it would be set in modern times with old planes.
its a WW2 simulator this includes all of humanity horrible behavior over that time.

not saying i agree with shooting players on ground and stuff either,

 

Edited February 9, 2020 by =TBAS=Sschatten14

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

1 minute ago, =TBAS=Sschatten14 said:

not saying i agree with shooting players on ground and stuff either,

 

 

Don't worry I'm not shooting the messenger, so to speak.  

 

3 minutes ago, =TBAS=Sschatten14 said:

There is no point making laws they did not have in WW2.
 

 

I do like the no spawn killing rule, but isn't it exactly this?  

[Otto_bann]

3 hours ago, Mobile_BBQ said:

... However, the person doing the strafing was, in his view, of questionable worth as a human being - to put it lightly. 

 

I would not allow myself to judge him for that but only that his skills were very limited: he made 3 or 4 passages  after I was landed without never succeeding in killing my pilot...

 

33 minutes ago, =TBAS=Sschatten14 said:

its a WW2 simulator this includes all of humanity horrible behavior over that time.

 

It's a simulator of aerial combat, not of horrors, nor to demonstrate that human do not evolve... Is shoting on parachutes also allowed then or not?

 

For me shot on parachute or on landed plane in wild or on airfield, is the same thing : an too easy and disgusting behavior but... if the only shot on airfield is not admitted, the rule written should make the difference between ''airfield'' and ''ground'', because today it's not the case imo...

Not a big affair but I would like to be sure about what is admitted and what is not.

 

 

Edited February 9, 2020 by Otto_bann

[Talon_]

4 hours ago, =TBAS=Sschatten14 said:

even if they land at home you can strafe the runway and shoot them on the ground. 

 

No you can't do this.

[422nd_RedSkull]

No good news about the server?? The problem to start it persist.

[SE.VH_Boemundo]

The only rules should be: no intetional friendly kill, no trash talking in the chat.

Is it allowed to bomb (not strafe) aircraft on airfield?

[6FG_Big_Al]

6 minutes ago, =BLW=Tales said:

The only rules should be: no intetional friendly kill, no trash talking in the chat.

Is it allowed to bomb (not strafe) aircraft on airfield?

As far as i know: nope

 

[Otto_bann]

1 hour ago, =BLW=Tales said:

The only rules should be: no intetional friendly kill, no trash talking in the chat.

Is it allowed to bomb (not strafe) aircraft on airfield?

 

No if you talking about the planes of players (but static planes and flak yes imo): in the chat appear a message sometimes which say you can't shoot planes (of players) at ground (and not landed on airfied alas). That's a part of the problem because it's not written clearly in the rules but only in message in flight and sometime (and since some guys are flying without chat box...:)

Edited February 9, 2020 by Otto_bann

[III/JG52_Supongo]

Hi friends.

 

I can not enter the server. I have deleted the ALONZO folder from "multiplayer" but it doesn't work
Any solution?

[Batzet]

35 minutes ago, III/JG52_Supongo said:

I can not enter the server. I have deleted the ALONZO folder from "multiplayer" but it doesn't work
Any solution?

Same here. I was able to join and play Stalingrad Scramble 1 hour ago, but failed to join mission that was running just before that one and cannot join Battle of the Scheldt that is running now.

[Talon_]

18 minutes ago, Batzet said:

Same here. I was able to join and play Stalingrad Scramble 1 hour ago, but failed to join mission that was running just before that one and cannot join Battle of the Scheldt that is running now.

 

As of 30 minutes ago we believe we have been able to fix the issue affecting the server over the weekend - sorry it took so long!

[Alonzo]

18 hours ago, Legioneod said:

What happened to regular Combat Box? All I see is training and dogfight.

 

That's actually a new resource for the community that we're testing out. It was coincidence that I put that up around the same time the main server went funny. We're not sure if we're keeping the training server, but feel free to use it if you see it in the list. It has the usual kinds of things you might need for training. Feedback appreciated.

 

4 hours ago, =BLW=Tales said:

The only rules should be: no intetional friendly kill, no trash talking in the chat.

Is it allowed to bomb (not strafe) aircraft on airfield?

 

2 hours ago, Otto_bann said:

No if you talking about the planes of players (but static planes and flak yes imo): in the chat appear a message sometimes which say you can't shoot planes (of players) at ground (and not landed on airfied alas). That's a part of the problem because it's not written clearly in the rules but only in message in flight and sometime (and since some guys are flying without chat box...:)

 

If a player has their wheels on the ground, they are not a valid target. Strafing, bombing, or farting in their general direction, it's all the same.

 

There's only so many places we can write the rules. There's an in-mission announcement every ~30 minutes, the rules are stated on the website, and if someone asks in chat other players will likely tell them that vulching is not allowed.

 

If there was no performance penalty to putting 300 AA guns at a player field, and if those guns would actually shred attackers, we'd do it. But we can't, and the AA is anemic, so we have this rule. It's no fun to be destroyed on the ground while starting up. In TAW, airfield attack is part of the map. On Combat Box, the action is intended to play out mostly over the objectives, and player airfields are not objectives. Sometimes yes, players will choose to loiter near an airfield and attack it. This is their choice, but we try to have enough airfields and warnings for players that they can choose a different field in those cases.

 

If you get shot on the ground, please message @admin on our Discord (preferably with a screen shot or a sortie link) and we will investigate and take action. Our new Ban Hammer software suite stands at the ready!

[SE.VH_Boemundo]

AA in TAW is pretty deadly.

[DoWAlpha]

2 hours ago, Talon_ said:

 

As of 30 minutes ago we believe we have been able to fix the issue affecting the server over the weekend - sorry it took so long!

 

Same here. I deleted the mentioned "ALONZO" folder and I still can't join this server. However, I can join every other server on the list.

 

And thank you Alonzo for making that clear about attacking people at their base.

 

I can't stand when people use the "they did it in real life" explanation for everything. Let's be clear....this is not real life! Real life war is so much more dynamic and consisting of layered defences that simply don't exist in these environments. First off, a base has an actual commander and if enemy pilots were constantly attacking a base in real life, the commander would put up air patrols to defend the base from those specific fighters. Where is the base commander and his subordinates that get assigned to fly cover for the base regardless of what they want to do??? Oh, they are not there......but "they were in real life." IL2 has more then most but it's still far from real life. There are plenty of valid ground targets, so there is no reason to go after players on the ground. 

 

Thanks

Edited February 10, 2020 by AlphaZulu

[Batzet]

12 hours ago, Talon_ said:

As of 30 minutes ago we believe we have been able to fix the issue affecting the server over the weekend - sorry it took so long!

Thanks. Everything went fine 15 mins after I had posted my message ?

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Thanks for clarification on Information @Talon_ 

[Talisman]

20 hours ago, Otto_bann said:

 

No if you talking about the planes of players (but static planes and flak yes imo): in the chat appear a message sometimes which say you can't shoot planes (of players) at ground (and not landed on airfied alas). That's a part of the problem because it's not written clearly in the rules but only in message in flight and sometime (and since some guys are flying without chat box...:)

 

I don't use the chat box at all.

 

Talisman

[RedKestrel]

50 minutes ago, 56RAF_Talisman said:

 

I don't use the chat box at all.

 

Talisman

 

The rules are on the web page and I believe on the Discord, IIRC. And also has been posted here in the forum. 

At a certain point we have to expect players to do some due dilligence in finding and following the rules of the server. If someone doesn't use the chat box at all, never visits the web site, doesn't go on Discord and doesn't follow the forum thread, how exactly are the admins supposed to reach them? 
 

[Otto_bann]

43 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

how exactly are the admins supposed to reach them?

 

  Maybe by recalling the rules at the top of the briefing ( beside the map)?

[RedKestrel]

10 minutes ago, Otto_bann said:

 

  Maybe by recalling the rules at the top of the briefing ( beside the map)?

OK, nothing wrong with that. As long as people actually read the briefing...many do not.

I was going to suggest getting someone to shoot my fuel tank and I could sky-write it over friendly airfields.

[Talisman]

2 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

 

The rules are on the web page and I believe on the Discord, IIRC. And also has been posted here in the forum. 

At a certain point we have to expect players to do some due dilligence in finding and following the rules of the server. If someone doesn't use the chat box at all, never visits the web site, doesn't go on Discord and doesn't follow the forum thread, how exactly are the admins supposed to reach them? 
 

 

Hi RedKestrel,

 

I am a little taken back by your response.  I only said I am one of the folks that don't use the chat (I did not think it was compulsory) and I did not expect that what I said would be taken as in any way controversial.  I read the rules and am reading this forum thread mostly on a daily basis.  I am a retired and naturally a law abiding citizen who supports Combat Box and am grateful to all those that run MP servers.

 

Happy landings,

 

56RAF_Talisman 

[RedKestrel]

37 minutes ago, 56RAF_Talisman said:

 

Hi RedKestrel,

 

I am a little taken back by your response.  I only said I am one of the folks that don't use the chat (I did not think it was compulsory) and I did not expect that what I said would be taken as in any way controversial.  I read the rules and am reading this forum thread mostly on a daily basis.  I am a retired and naturally a law abiding citizen who supports Combat Box and am grateful to all those that run MP servers.

 

Happy landings,

 

56RAF_Talisman 

I wasn't trying to call you out or anything like that. I was unduly harsh, and I apologize. I was using your comment to point out that even if one doesn't use the chat and doesn't see the periodic updates, the rules can be found elsewhere.

 

The admins have made a good effort to make sure the rules are easily understood and well posted. As Otto has suggested above, putting the rules in the briefing is a good idea, but there's precious few other places the rules can be posted.

In my line of work I deal often with people who disregard the rules and then later claim ignorance, and in my experience this is mostly in bad faith. So I am less patient than I should be. Once again I apologize.

 

[SE.VH_Boemundo]

I was landing, touch the gear and bounced, a enemy aircraft started to shoot, he was overshooting and I would complete the land but he crashed my plane. Both dead. His name was Hackels, only one sortie, eleven minutes flight. Problaby someone pick a fake account to do shit. The rule applies?

 

 

Edited February 11, 2020 by =BLW=Tales

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

11 hours ago, =BLW=Tales said:

I was landing, touch the gear and bounced, a enemy aircraft started to shoot, he was overshooting and I would complete the land but he crashed my plane. Both dead. His name was Hackels, only one sortie, eleven minutes flight. Problaby someone pick a fake account to do shit. The rule applies?

 

 

Think this game is too expensive for fake accounts. 
would cost hundred for plane sets per account. 

 

[RedKestrel]

42 minutes ago, =TBAS=Sschatten14 said:

Think this game is too expensive for fake accounts. 
would cost hundred for plane sets per account. 

 

Yeah, I doubt people build fake accounts for this. Guy is probably just trolling on Combat Box and normally flies somewhere else. Or he just started flying online.

And the rule applies IMO, unless we want to get really rules-lawyery about what 'wheels on the ground' means.

[Willy__]

I havent flown since last year.... but the last time, I was landing, wheels on the ground (still rolling though) and some retarded came and shot my pilot. He didnt get a warn, kick, ban or anything. It was the last time I flown.

 

Why set rules if nothing is done to enforce them ?

[RedKestrel]

4 minutes ago, Willy__ said:

I havent flown since last year.... but the last time, I was landing, wheels on the ground (still rolling though) and some retarded came and shot my pilot. He didnt get a warn, kick, ban or anything. It was the last time I flown.

 

Why set rules if nothing is done to enforce them ?

Did you report it? I don’t think Alonzo has gotten the psychic implant just yet.

[Otto_bann]

14 hours ago, Willy__ said:

Why set rules if nothing is done to enforce them ?

 

I know that the complaints are to be made via Discord and it doesn't works if you make it by this forum (for me it didn't work via the forum 2 times). Too bad, because like many others I don't use discord...

 

The best way to encourage abuse is to ignore it. But they can't make fly a policeman with us on each mission (and bad souls know it...:)

Edited February 12, 2020 by Otto_bann

[Alonzo]

16 hours ago, Willy__ said:

I havent flown since last year.... but the last time, I was landing, wheels on the ground (still rolling though) and some retarded came and shot my pilot. He didnt get a warn, kick, ban or anything. It was the last time I flown.

 

Why set rules if nothing is done to enforce them ?

 

If this were to happen today, please let us know either here or on Discord, and include a link to the sortie or a screenshot or something like that. We would all much rather spend our time flying than policing the server, so making it as easy as possible for us to go "click, yep that's a douchebag, temp ban" will really help. I think our rules around attacking players who are on the ground are clearer now, and we have in-mission warning text for it as well as a detailed message when someone does get banned, so we can be more direct with administrative action.

[310th_Diablo]

Is the map turned on in this server

[Alonzo]

1 hour ago, 310th_Diablo said:

Is the map turned on in this server

 

Map is on, GPS is off. We try to build scenarios on parts of the map where you can navigate visually, though. Battle for the Scheldt is particularly good as it's by the coast and there are lots of distinguishing features.

[FTC_HK]

Why is the topic of one of the most popular servers in Il-2 not pinned? @Forum mods

[RedKestrel]

10 hours ago, Alonzo said:

 

Map is on, GPS is off. We try to build scenarios on parts of the map where you can navigate visually, though. Battle for the Scheldt is particularly good as it's by the coast and there are lots of distinguishing features.

I really like the Battle of the Scheldt missions, by the way. One of my favourite new maps.

It is just a little weird to fly on it though since my grandfather participated in the battle in the Canadian infantry. So I find myself compelled to either cover for the troops or attack the German troop concentrations near them.