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I'd quite like to see the Malta/ north african theatre. By the time of BoK and the pacific stuff, the plane set for both side will be already fleshed out plus it allows for more, well known planes to be added like the tank buster hurrie, Bristol Beaufort.

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To be frank, I think the theatre is something people overstate. I get that the Eastern Front is something that is at least exotic for the majority of the Western audience, but at the same time, it was probably the most diverse and intense theatre of the war. At the end of the day, once you look at it from pure gameplay variety perspective - BoB was all about fighter disrupting bombing raids, Pacific was mostly about the clash of carrier fleets (to be fair, I am talking Midway as probably the most iconic battle) and 1944 Europe... Same as BoB, only this time the good guys are escorting them bombers. Meanwhile, look at the vast possibilities the Sturmovik series has presented us with the Eastern Front - CAS is the bread and butter, strategic bombing is vital, the air combat sort of feels asymmetric when you look at the planes (high-end stuff vs. low-cost mass produced stuff)... It's just, whenever I think of air combat and the Eastern Front, I never ever have a preconception of what the battles were about, there is no governing theme here - you can have bomber raids and fighters doing CAS, anything goes, it's very diverse from the start. I also feel like the combat is hardly glorified, it's gritty, and bloody and hardly laudable.

 

Look, if it was the Western Front, we would probably gravitate towards the Mustangs and Spits and 109 and 190. But, on the Eastern Front, I can have the out-of-place gunfighter like the P-40 and the Mig-3, which is basically a hot rod with wings... and guns!

 

Despite the pop-culture image of the WWII air combat we have, we are forced to participate in the re-enactment of the conflicts marginalised side and it's a completely different cup of tea, something fascinating and at least to me. Personally, I think the theatre is something of an opportunity to expand my knowledge. Obviously, iconic theatre would be awesome, but at the same time, we get this scenario that is widely neglected in the West and it's something fresh in terms of pop-culture understanding and yet people have a hard time embracing it, when from a game-opportunity perspective, it's basically the perfect setting.

 

I bet in a Pacific setting, hardly anyone would bother with something like the P-40, yet here it really shines. Considering we have Spitfires now, it's really a surprise to see so much P-40 online.

 

TL;DR I get that there are people who might be put off by the planeset in BOx, but at the same time, you might find, that there are some awesome planes here, that you would have never considered flying, and yet they simply rule. At least it was like that with me and the Peshka.

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The Variety of the Eastern Front would also be found in a Burma/Thailand Campaign. The P-40 is a great Bf-110 like Airplane. Good Bombload and Firepower.

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For me, the Il-2 team has shown that it is capable to develop and deliver so I am OK with any theater.

I am a fan of Western scenarios. Late 44/ Early 45 could be great after the Pacific.

 

We don´t need the Huge bombers raid if the team hasn´t developed the tech to support it. I think they can manage to do that in time and then,add it. Tactical support in Ardennes would be very fun!

 

Also there is some content in form of maps that can be released with actual planeset (add 2 or 3 more planes) like Italy 43. It also would be a great addition.

 

As I said some months ago, premium maps that come with campaign support and sp content. (And free for Mp enviorement like it is now) can be a good idea.

 

Just think about Italy 43´ Map alongside MC 205 and a SM79 with some skins for existing planes (For everybody)  for 35 / 40 $ (You got 2 planes with campaign support and the SP map and if you don´t own it you can still play on the Mp servers like it is now)

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I am a Brit but you wont hear me saying that I will always try to fly Spits & P40s when available.  I have been flying those Brit & US aircraft for decades and I welcome the new aircraft I can fly here and the chance to learn about some air battles that are rarely spoken about.  I will also admit that the ground pounding & CAS attracts me.  I only invested money in DCS: Normandy because it was unthinkable that they would not build a Typhoon or Tempest as the tiffy is the iconic aircraft of the post invasion period but it seems DCS was not interested in historic planesets and I wasted my money :-(   What next? DCS:Burma with no P40?  DCS: Pacific with no Zero? :-)

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Just like to point out that I have dropped about $400 on my self in this endeavor and just under a grand for perfect strangers. Not a P-51 to be seen.....

Friggin' 'Muricans. Such homers!

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 I only invested money in DCS: Normandy because it was unthinkable that they would not build a Typhoon or Tempest as the tiffy is the iconic aircraft of the post invasion period but it seems DCS was not interested in historic planesets and I wasted my money :-(   What next? DCS:Burma with no P40?  DCS: Pacific with no Zero? :-)

 Probably.

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Hey guys, the developers did so many magnificent things during the last years. So be satisfied with this contents you will get.

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I have no complaints with IL2. 

 

DCS is another story.

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Hey guys, the developers did so many magnificent things during the last years. So be satisfied with this contents you will get.

 

For my part there are no complaints and I think it way too soon to be seriously thinking about what comes after Midway as I think they have already confirmed there will probably be a series of Pacific based scenarios.  I am just indulging in a little 'pie-in-the-sky' daydreaming.  More along the lines of 'If 1C were not interested in the Pacific & were  thinking about doing something new and unique what could they do?'

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I have no complaints with IL2. 

 

DCS is another story.

Boy do I agree with BuzzU.

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I think, we just best keep on track, cause I see a potential for this developing into a DCS-bashing thread (don't get ME started lol).

 

In any case, someone mentioned bombers here, and come to think of it, as much as I never knew my inner bomberman before I tried BOS, I think this is actually something worth mentioning as some outstanding potential is there in the sim. 'Member them good ol' Microprose sims with B-17s? Well here is a though, BOS currently has something in MP no other sim does so well and that is multi-crew. If we could get one of them huge bombers with many stations, not just gunners, this could make for some seriously insane fun in MP I think. Considering the theatre as of now, I think something like Pe-8 would fit into the current scenarios just fine. Think about it, this thing has an 11-man crew. So far, my experience with BOS multi-crew was that of a 2-man job, but I do have fond memories of playing with more people in the Felixstowe in RoF. That said, there is the A-20 coming up, so maybe it will perfectly scratch that itch.

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Hey guys, the developers did so many magnificent things during the last years. So be satisfied with this contents you will get.

 

Make no mistake. The folks at 1CGS have pulled out all the stops this year correcting long standing issues and making some big changes to the way that the sim looks and functions. And they built that on top of what was already a solid platform. When version 3.01 arrives it's going to be a momentous occasion for all I think.

 

Doesn't stop us being excited about future possibilities. It's lots of fun to think and consider what might come next and that helps drive the title forward and hopefully keep the team employed too. They have my respect for doing incredible work and they also have my dollars.

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Personally, I am looking forward to the new theatres and planes too (regardless it will be Pacific, MTO, ETO or whatever else) but to tell the truth, I am much more looking forward to small (and maybe even bigger) gradual improvements of the present day platform, e.g. hope for longer distance where we can see planes, better and more believable AI behaviour, new campaigns, more lively airfields etc. I want to believe, all of my dreams will come true one day :-)

 

That is why I so much appreciate the way developers continually struggle to improve the platform - they have done the amazing piece of work so far and they are promising much more. That is why I am trying to support them as well and buy continually as much of their DLCs as I can afford...

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Make no mistake. The folks at 1CGS have pulled out all the stops this year correcting long standing issues and making some big changes to the way that the sim looks and functions. And they built that on top of what was already a solid platform. When version 3.01 arrives it's going to be a momentous occasion for all I think.

 

Doesn't stop us being excited about future possibilities. It's lots of fun to think and consider what might come next and that helps drive the title forward and hopefully keep the team employed too. They have my respect for doing incredible work and they also have my dollars.

Exactly. Can you imagine that Dx11 was introduced just 10 months ago for this sim and what further developments came after that? Thats incredible.

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I have no complaints with IL2. 

 

DCS is another story.

 

Yes, a vaste of money, a total fiasco. I would like to recover all my money spent in DCS WW2, and give them to Jason & c.

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Yes, a vaste of money, a total fiasco. I would like to recover all my money spent in DCS WW2, and give them to Jason & c.

I'm guessing you mostly mean the WWII stuff. I didn't invest in that but the modern stuff is quite good. I use the UH-1 for actual flight training (gross motor work and concepts) before heading to the airfield.

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Yes, a vaste of money, a total fiasco. I would like to recover all my money spent in DCS WW2, and give them to Jason & c.

Ditto.

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I'm guessing you mostly mean the WWII stuff. I didn't invest in that but the modern stuff is quite good. I use the UH-1 for actual flight training (gross motor work and concepts) before heading to the airfield.

 

Yes, exactly.

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I personally would rather like if they brought in the BoBs: the Battle of Britain and the Battle of the Bulge. :)

 

Though, granted, there is a looot that could be done in the Pacific before we need to go back to europe.

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I really hope that the Battle of Britain and North Africa isnt out of the BoX franchise all together just because TF is doing work on it. Over time I hope the BoX franchise can keep adding fronts until nearly all well known, moderately known and even some forgotten battles are included. 

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I really hope that the Battle of Britain and North Africa isnt out of the BoX franchise all together just because TF is doing work on it.

 

For the foreseeable future without a doubt they are out of the question for the exact reason you mention.

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If BoX/PTO works out financially, I'd hope they return to the Western front and bring out a RoF2. Could include the advancements and learnings from BoX and introduce the expanded user base to a greater purity of flight and combat

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The improved DLC policy will be probably an important step forward for this IL2 serie as well.

 

IAR and Macchi 200 are just only an example, even if important, of some missed aircrafts we could have in the future.

 

If MED has been cut off, as for BoB ecc. ecc., we still have a lot of options available for the ETO. If the DLC business would be profitable, as i hope, we could really have a lot of aircrafts in the future, IL4 included.

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I'm just sad we don't get Leningrad/The Continuation War =(

A Continuation War could be a ton of fun. I've always liked the planeset from Finland vs Russia. 

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I really hope that the Battle of Britain and North Africa isnt out of the BoX franchise all together just because TF is doing work on it. Over time I hope the BoX franchise can keep adding fronts until nearly all well known, moderately known and even some forgotten battles are included. 

 

I agree although I know it's not going to happen. I've tried going back to Cliffs but its simply not as good.

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The improved DLC policy will be probably an important step forward for this IL2 serie as well.

 

IAR and Macchi 200 are just only an example, even if important, of some missed aircrafts we could have in the future.

 

If MED has been cut off, as for BoB ecc. ecc., we still have a lot of options available for the ETO. If the DLC business would be profitable, as i hope, we could really have a lot of aircrafts in the future, IL4 included.

I thought the whole reason why they changed from the ROF business model was that the dlc model was not as successful. Some planes would be a miss and involve a lot of time and resources. Bundling helps even the costs over multiple planes that can include a combination of more popular and more obsucre planes.

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If MED has been cut off, as for BoB ecc. ecc., we still have a lot of options available for the ETO

 

I hope Team Fusions work does not invalidate *all* of the Med!    Hopefully there is still a chance for BoX to look into Greece & maybe Crete etc.   TF & 1C need to get their heads together and draw a line.  We could end up in a situation where CLoD has only made the North African mainland but because they *might* think about adding Crete in the distant future then BoX cannot work on Greece.  BoX could also be locked out of Italy in case CLoD wants to do Malta & Sicily.

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Years down the line it will no longer be BoX, You will be able to jump into any plane from any suitable theater from 1939 to 1945. Name will change to BoW "Battle of the World" Jason and co will lean heavily on their walking sticks, and say to their grand kids, our work here is done . . .  :)

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I would love for this team to take a stab at the Mediterranean or Italy. However I'm afraid it would end up canibalizing the revenue by dividing some (not all) pilots with the future TF 5.0 paid patch.

 

There is a saying in Spanish that goes like this: "Among firemen, we dont step on each other's hoses"

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Years down the line it will no longer be BoX, You will be able to jump into any plane from any suitable theater from 1939 to 1945. Name will change to BoW "Battle of the World" Jason and co will lean heavily on their walking sticks, and say to their grand kids, our work here is done . . .  :)

It's not done until the same is true for 1915 - 1918 :)

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It's not done until the same is true for 1915 - 1918 :)

 

Might as well throw in Korea too

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Western Front? That includes France, Belgium, Italy as well. Aircrafts of 1943 - 1945 as well. Lots of Americans who'd be into that game. Heard everywhere they stick to WT because of "the red white blue".

Born & raised in the Good ol USA. Love Eastern front . Love the Russian planes from WWI right through the modern jets in DCS. They usually seem disadvantaged and so getting a kill in them is that much more satisfying. Plus the Ruskies make Cool planes, Love em all. So you are WRONG!!! Lol, or maybe I am the exception in this case.

 

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I wouldn't mind seeing an add on campaign on night fighters over the Western Europe.  This always seem to something everyone forget from The Blitz on London to the thousand plane raids over German cites.  It would be nice to have something even if it going be small to cover that.  We have most of the German fighter model needed for a night campaign already in game.

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