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80hd' timestamp='1478204314' post='405999'] But, to your point that "Blue pilots always have the initiative" that's only true from the so-called "Hartmanning" point of view... certainly, a savvy 109 flier can choose to stay high and fast and have zero impact on the ground war, and therefore the tactical air war, that's absolutely an option.  However, once you're lugging ords, or escorting Stukas doing the same, those advantages are immediately significantly mitigated.  
 

 

Red forced to do the same thing, but they did not have powerful and fastest planes

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SeveP had a high rank. And when he threatened that he would die so disconnected in the fight.

Not bad, but that was not ALT + F4
My game was crashed and your friend was without energy, I've still needed 30 seconds to shoot your friend.
 
So your friend can say thanks to game.

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But...that is the case in game. I-16 can do nothing against 109s if they keep their head and dont try to mix it up. E-7 totally outclasses I-16 in speed. It is 30 km/h - 80 km/h faster in game. Apply correct tactics and 109Es are untouchable. 

 

Have you tested this? I find the speed difference to be very marginal between Emil and Rata.

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Red forced to do the same thing, but they did not have powerful and fastest planes

 

 

Agreed, but they do perform quite well low and slow (though the F4 is a dominant force down on the deck too, in my opinion) and the IL-2 can escort itself, tovarisch!  :biggrin:

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Agreed, but they do perform quite well low and slow (though the F4 is a dominant force down on the deck too, in my opinion) and the IL-2 can escort itself, tovarisch!  :biggrin:

I came to the conclusion that the main thing is the team and its coordinated work.

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Just met 3 russian fighters. And was happy with the results.

 

wow you just did the Red Tails maneuver o.o

 

 

Warning for sensible viewers :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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wow you just did the Red Tails maneuver o.o

 

 

Warning for sensible viewers :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

nah there was no stall included

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Corrigan, first off, this is the multiplayer forum post for the Tactical Air War server, and for those who fly on that server. Since you're not playing there, you not only have no reason to comment here, you have no real context for the situation we are discussing.

 

 

I think sometimes this can't be stressed enough.

 

Other examples:

- Comparing offline combat against AI vs online experienced players.

- Comparing expert server without icons vs Normal server.

 

Completely different.

 

AI couldn't hold a candle to some of the online pilots you encounter in all areas except gunnery.

 

Situational awareness due to the ridiculous standard icons in a normal server completely tips the balance in favour of blue in Normal.

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Where is BoS transport Pe's?

 

There is a problem with s87 Peshkas which do not show up. Bos-only red players can only have a go on the Lagg-3 and if something happens they cannot fly anymore. Can you check this out please?

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I'm fairly new to BOS/BOM. That's why I'm asking you veterans to get some explanations and to understand the game better:

 

- Why is Blue loosing much more tanks than Reds?

 

When I find spare time to log in, I always find at least one wingman to Bomb the hell out of the enemy tanks. We dive, but also we fly low when we know that the we have air superiority. This to get just faster to the TA and back to the airfield. And we almost always manage to destroy the tank column. In general there is really a great coordination effort in the ally chat. OK, there are some "experts" that give stupid answers. But the most pilots are cooperative and share information.

 

- Should we resupply more often own airfields?

 

- What are the criterias to select an enemy airfield to bomb? Do we concentrate on the advancement path of the tanks?

 

 

I don't think that blue only loses because the planes aren't flown correctly. Maybe Axis has much more new pilots who don't understand the mechanics properly. I also never see invitations to a Teamsspeak.

 

Example: I apprechiated a lot the coordination efforts of TWB Ecoke (idk if the name is correct). He called out targets and 5 mins later we were a very intense and funny furball fighting 7 i16's. Now imagine new players or "clan external" players get invited to Teamspeak. This is a great opportunity to improve skills, ask questions and get overall better results in the end. 

 

This are my 2 cents. It's funny how involved one can get if there is a campaign going on. Such a dedication is unique in IL2! 

 

See you in the skies o7

 

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80hd' timestamp='1478180204' post='405801'] If we're going to turn this around, we've got to see a lot more double-duty 109s... take a bomb to target, then roll back and defend the forward-most tanks.  The only real chance Blue has is by capturing fields, and due to the extreme attrition rate we have a relatively limited amount of time to achieve that goal.
 

 

Isn't that the historical correct way? This is why Hitler wanted  that every plane had to be able to carry bombs, isn't it?

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Hello Friends pilots! Very want fly on your server. I made a mistake without registered squad. Now do not let the game and does not change the name! Developers Please help: Delrte KyKyPy3HuK account as an Account and restore = 13IAP = KyKyPy3HuK.  thanks!

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BOS Pe-87 transport added to the map.

Hi Kathon! Help me enter my account in TAW =13IAP=KyKyPy3HuK. The matter is that ferst time i was registeted without Squad also could not enter.  Please delete KyKyPy3HuK and give me opportunity to fly on Your fine server! =13IAP=KyKyPy3HuK  I will wait ! ThanKs.
 
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Hi Kathon! Help me enter my account in TAW =13IAP=KyKyPy3HuK. The matter is that ferst time i was registeted without Squad also could not enter.  Please delete KyKyPy3HuK and give me opportunity to fly on Your fine server! =13IAP=KyKyPy3HuK  I will wait ! ThanKs.
 
mail : kukuruznikan2@list.ru

 

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Sorry to beat the BoS-only dead horse, but it looks like I ditched my two LaGG 3's. Is there any way I can get any more, or should I wait for next map? Thanks :)

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Blue will always lose more pilots and unless a masochistic squad is REALLY pushing the horribad Ju-87 front, will lose tanks at an astounding rate as well.  The Ju-87 is a D+ plane, the IL-2 1941 is an A- plane.  When it comes to killing tanks, the Stuka is a D-, the 1941 is an A.  You can carry bombs, rockets, and a deep loadout of 23mm AP ammo that works on everything in the game in a plane that is a fantastic fighter.

 

The 109-E7/I-16 match-up was a real eye opener for me, once again, reading all the hype and history books I had been led to believe that the I-16 was obsolete, outclassed, and annihilated by the 109E in 1941 that was supposedly so much faster... clearly not the case.

 

Bottom line is that we can't do anything about the Dudebros who want to hemorrhage planes and pilots wantonly, apparently Luftwaffe rides are just more attractive to those sorts.  We can't affect the bail-out/capture rate, nor are we going to see an effective ground attack aircraft anytime soon, certainly not one that can clean up a line of tanks with relative ease.

 

If we're going to turn this around, we've got to see a lot more double-duty 109s... take a bomb to target, then roll back and defend the forward-most tanks.  The only real chance Blue has is by capturing fields, and due to the extreme attrition rate we have a relatively limited amount of time to achieve that goal.  

 

Strike defense points, defend our tanks, and bring some friends.

 

:salute:

Well I16 are very diffirent to one from another. Types ranging from 5 to 28 and weapons ranging from 2x7.62 to double shvaks +2x7.62. There are also two diffirent engines.

 

Some soviet pilots said how they didnt feel that the later I16 were obsolete until late 1942-mid 1943.

 

The one we have in game is apparently using m62 engine? and a good weapon load. This is a better I16.

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Sorry to beat the BoS-only dead horse, but it looks like I ditched my two LaGG 3's. Is there any way I can get any more, or should I wait for next map? Thanks :)

I think you can fly on Pe-2 ser.87 (transport) and make CM (combat missions)

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I think you can fly on Pe-2 ser.87 (transport) and make CM (combat missions)

 

My understanding of that is that I can fly it around 3 times for 15 minutes each so I can get one extra plane. Doesn't quite seem worth it :) But I'll try to fly it into a combat zone with a GK and back!

 

Edit: transports need to be 100% fuel and no ammo, so not GK or AK are possible apparently. Transports are used to capture airfields, but it looks like Red is on the defensive, not offensive. Doesn't look like I can do much :)

 

Edit2: did some more searching here. Looks like I can actually resupply damaged airfields. I do enjoy logistics, so off I go :)

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Well I16 are very diffirent to one from another. Types ranging from 5 to 28 and weapons ranging from 2x7.62 to double shvaks +2x7.62. There are also two diffirent engines.

 

Some soviet pilots said how they didnt feel that the later I16 were obsolete until late 1942-mid 1943.

 

The one we have in game is apparently using m62 engine? and a good weapon load. This is a better I16.

 

Yeah, I've definitely learned a lot about the aircraft since this TAW match-up... I've flown it before, and in 1946 my favorite career path was earliest Barbarossa as an I-16 pilot... have flown them in WT and Aces High, and thought I knew a bit about them, but just like the IL-2 (and apparently a ton of the rüstsatz too) I find that I know perhaps not as much as I thought I did :)

 

This I-16 is to be respected, no doubt about it!

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This I-16 is to be respected, no doubt about it!

Respect the Airplane is not necessary, respect the pilot, he makes him strong, and not vice versa!

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  • You may supply your friendly airfield by transport planes. To fly supply mission you must takeoff from airfield damaged less then 40% and land on airfield damaged more than 0%. One successfully landed transport plane supplies airfield by about 4% and count “combat mission” to pilot. Defense position (anti-tank artillery) can’t be supplied by transport planes (only by supply convoys). Supply missions have no effect on airfield in two cases:
  1. airfield was destroyed more than 85%  by enemy planes in that mission
  2. airfield was captured by enemy transport planes in that mission

Hello =LG=Kathon,

 

Can you explain how the re-supply mechanics work? What happens if an 80% damaged field is re-supplied first and then hit by the enemy?

 

For example:

  1. The field damage is 80%
  2. A transport lands on the field(-4%)
  3. The field is hit with a bomb(+5%)

What is the total damage - 81% or 85%(if the supply mission doesn't count)?

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Hey something is wrong. In this mission i hit start and the plane don't appear. I left for 1 minute to drink some water and rejoined on server.

Then i spawned and flyed normaly.

In this 1m 54s something happened? I don't get on aircraft

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Can you explain how the re-supply mechanics work?

 

I mean "can you explain please, sir" )

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Hello, couple of questions if you don't mind:

 

can i play the campaign with BoS?  as a fighter? I think only russians have fighters from BoS, correct?

do i need to join a squadron in order to fly?

 

after choosing a side do you get access to any special intel?

 

 

sorry i don't play bos much, probably all this stuff is known by most people ^^

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=LG=Kathon.

 

Flew on your server, it reminded me of ADW project.
Maybe you want to repeat it.
 
We all remember that ADW was not as much as you have now.
There were squadrons of fighter and bomber squadrons by storm.
Required to make a separate squadron.
The fighter squadron should be no attack aircraft and bombers.
The squadrons of bombers and attack aircraft should not be the best fighter planes, fighter planes just old.
It can make the prize planes have been on ADW? For his achievements?

I remember on ADW it was interesting to look at the map on the prize pilot plane. Everyone wanted to knock it down.  :)

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Hello =LG=Kathon,

 

Can you explain how the re-supply mechanics work? What happens if an 80% damaged field is re-supplied first and then hit by the enemy?

 

For example:

  1. The field damage is 80%
  2. A transport lands on the field(-4%)
  3. The field is hit with a bomb(+5%)

What is the total damage - 81% or 85%(if the supply mission doesn't count)?

First new damage of airfield is counted => 80% + 5% => new AF damage 85%

Then if new AF damage is less than 90%  then supply is subtracted => 85% - 4$ => 81%

 

Another example:

1. AF damage 80%

2. supply transport -4%

3. bombs +15%

 

New AF damage => 80% + 15% => 95% so no supply is counted (95>90) and in the end AF is closed with 100% damage with no AA and ready to be capture.

 

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Hey something is wrong. In this mission i hit start and the plane don't appear. I left for 1 minute to drink some water and rejoined on server.

 

Then i spawned and flyed normaly.

 

In this 1m 54s something happened? I don't get on aircraft

You may click on your sorite to see details: http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=11860&name=ESCOMM_FlyMaker

You did spawn and was destroyed after 1:30 and result was Ditched. It was game bug for sure.

 

 

Hello, couple of questions if you don't mind:

 

can i play the campaign with BoS?  as a fighter? I think only russians have fighters from BoS, correct?

do i need to join a squadron in order to fly?

 

after choosing a side do you get access to any special intel?

 

 

sorry i don't play bos much, probably all this stuff is known by most people ^^

1. Yes, but on early maps BOS planes are very limited. Check plane set to see which fighters are available on different maps: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21029-tactical-air-war/?p=404326

2. Yes, on map #2 there is only Lagg.

3. No, squadron is not needed.

 

 

=LG=Kathon.

 

Flew on your server, it reminded me of ADW project.
Maybe you want to repeat it.
 
We all remember that ADW was not as much as you have now.
There were squadrons of fighter and bomber squadrons by storm.
Required to make a separate squadron.
The fighter squadron should be no attack aircraft and bombers.
The squadrons of bombers and attack aircraft should not be the best fighter planes, fighter planes just old.
It can make the prize planes have been on ADW? For his achievements?

I remember on ADW it was interesting to look at the map on the prize pilot plane. Everyone wanted to knock it down.  :)

TAW is a mix of ADW, Mist of War and our ideas. This server is still under development so many things will be changed and new added. We plan to separate fighters from bombers/attackers as you wrote and maybe squadrons where available planes are common within squad members. But as always it require a lot of time...

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Do ME and a lot of others a Favour and clear the runways as soon as possible PLEASE . !!! 

 

Thanks to the Stuka a death not worth having . I don`t mind flying into battle and being shot down . No NEED to SIT on RUNWAYS . !!!! ???

 

There is no need to sit on runways ` form up when you are up in the air . CLEAR RUNWAYS . The airfields and taxi ways are too small as it is , it don`t help matters , BOM airfields are decent enough .

 

Remember we can not see over a 109 nose . 

 

Also people are trying to land damaged aircraft .

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MrX Please take your trolling back to the Russian forums.

WOW ..!! 

 

MR.X 

 

is back ..??

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Agree, always getting 2 fighters for free each rotation, puts far less value on the aircraft, and you can see the results of that in the German planes and pilot losses.

 

Im with Pand, 

I feel people are just throwing planes and lives away.

No 'free' aircraft and a resupply mission to get one back would help the situation alot.

I know im going to get flamed, but its just to easy at the moment.

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I-16 has no equal on this card!  :biggrin:

Blue side lose all aircraft!  :biggrin:

This I-16 is to be respected, no doubt about it!

 

 

Respect the Airplane is not necessary, respect the pilot, he makes him strong, and not vice versa!

 

...I am still trying to figure out if there is some transcendent truth which normal players are unable to understand, or if it is just inconsistent chatter.

 

Anyway, MrX, I've seen the salty "revenge" video you uploaded in order to bash the wet bandits. You also did post it here.

I don't like to see something like that going on on our server. It is not meant to be a place for making anybody's personal animosities public. It's an offer of most realistic gameplay. To all players who are mature enough.

 

I would rather appreciate a video made by you showing some thrilling ingame footage. Or an entire sortie with a good planning and some realistic battles. You did that quite often on Wings of Liberty and I enjoyed your videos very much. Salut for that!

It would be a great contribution to the popularity to the server if you could do anything like this for TAW, too.

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Hi

 

Registered on the wrong side....Can you delete my profile please ?

 

Thanks

 

UF_Luny

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...I am still trying to figure out if there is some transcendent truth which normal players are unable to understand, or if it is just inconsistent chatter.

 

Anyway, MrX, I've seen the salty "revenge" video you uploaded in order to bash the wet bandits. You also did post it here.

I don't like to see something like that going on on our server. It is not meant to be a place for making anybody's personal animosities public. It's an offer of most realistic gameplay. To all players who are mature enough.

 

I would rather appreciate a video made by you showing some thrilling ingame footage. Or an entire sortie with a good planning and some realistic battles. You did that quite often on Wings of Liberty and I enjoyed your videos very much. Salut for that!

It would be a great contribution to the popularity to the server if you could do anything like this for TAW, too.

Me too ,would rather see a live stream .

And besides is`nt this TAW all about team work .

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Im with Pand, 

I feel people are just throwing planes and lives away.

No 'free' aircraft and a resupply mission to get one back would help the situation alot.

I know im going to get flamed, but its just to easy at the moment.

We feel it too. Auto-replenish planes will be much more limited in the next campaign (e.g. only transport and attackers Ju87 & Il-2).   I thinking about limiting current planeset for map #3 and others. 

 

Hi

 

Registered on the wrong side....Can you delete my profile please ?

 

Done.

 

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Manual was added to the TAW web site (on top bar). You may find there useful and latest information about TAW server. The previous pdf manual is not up to date so please don't use it.

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109e7 vs Pe-2 during Tactical Air War Tour 4, Map 1.

 

I feel this is a pretty good representation of the amount of damage PE-2's can absorb with the current damage model.  After reviewing the logs, this PE-2 RTB'd and landed successfully.

 

IMHO, this matchup is tough for the Germans due to the five areas identified below:

Troll Disclaimer: I'm not a historian and this is just my interpretation of my experiences.  I do not know if these are historically accurate, but this is how they are represented in game.

The e7's guns are weak.
The e7's airframe is weak.
The PE-2 is super durable.
I-16 guns are super powerful.

I-16 airframe is super durable (I experienced similar results when attacking I-16s with the the e7's 20mm MGFF---- 15mm on F-2 is far more effective).

 

 

Good Hunting Gentlemen.

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