Tactical Air War

[8-2-Papa-November]

2 hours ago, SV7_Felix_Iron said:

Any diplomas for the last rheinland campaign?

 

Sorry  for a lack of information about medals and diplomas in Rheinland theatre (summer season, lack of time). This was a second edition of Rheinland war so we checked it for bugs and general working. We used it as a second "test stage". No diplomas and awards will be given this time again. If everything goes fine, in third edition, we will start to give you awards. We will inform you about this, so stay tuned. Then, we will announce the awarding of diplomas and a statuette for the Allied side and name it with an appropriate name, as was the case with the Enkas cup and the Kuznechik statuette.

[Chivas_Regal]

While waiting for the start of the campaign on the Eastern front, I would like to know whether any other combat application of the U-2 is possible? Now this aircraft is practically not used, unlike the Ju-52. If you need some ideas for this, then there are probably players who can offer something interesting

[Cpt_Siddy]

The correct use of U-2 is to fly near enemy AF, land and taxi to the nearest forest and take back gunner pot shots from the woods at enemy trying to take off. 

 

(Technically this does not break the rules of not landing on AF, as you are in the near by forest that you taxied to from near by road 

Also as long as you don't shoot spawned planes but the ones at take off i see no problem  )

Edited August 27, 2020 by Cpt_Siddy

[Chivas_Regal]

1 hour ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

The correct use of U-2 is to fly near enemy AF,

It will arrive at the enemy AF only at the end of the mission ?

[[GCA]T1m270]

I would love to see for U2 something like one of these. It already has some mechanic for spotting enemy convoys no? I never really could tell if it was working or not.

 

-Sapper Drop - Land in small zone X km from enemy airfield to simulate dropping a sapper who slows repair of enemy airfield for X amount of rounds

 

- Photo Recon - circle in marked zone for X mins to gain markers of enemy front line units for the round. 

 

- Spotter Drop - Land in small zone to deploy forward observer team, any enemy aircraft flying over this unit is reported in team message. Same mechanic as the front line units, but this one is manually places. Only one use per round. 

[WokeUpDead]

4 hours ago, [GCA]T1m270 said:

I would love to see for U2 something like one of these. It already has some mechanic for spotting enemy convoys no? I never really could tell if it was working or not.

 

-Sapper Drop - Land in small zone X km from enemy airfield to simulate dropping a sapper who slows repair of enemy airfield for X amount of rounds

 

- Photo Recon - circle in marked zone for X mins to gain markers of enemy front line units for the round. 

 

- Spotter Drop - Land in small zone to deploy forward observer team, any enemy aircraft flying over this unit is reported in team message. Same mechanic as the front line units, but this one is manually places. Only one use per round. 

 

Unfortunately landing anywhere outside an airfield or frozen river without flipping or badly damaging your plane is very hard in this game, even in the ultra-slow U2.

 

As far as photo recon, what would the Germans use? Any special use of the U2 should not have a bigger impact on the game than the paratroop drops that only the Germans can do, and I think this one might.

 

My idea: partisan support. Land a U2 on an unused, undefended airfield near the front-line to deliver weapons to the partisans, and for the rest of the map the chance of red pilots being captured when bailing out behind front lines is reduced by some percentage. Maybe your spotter idea could work on these abandoned airfields too.

[JG7_X-Man]

On 8/27/2020 at 10:23 AM, =2ndSS=Lawyer1 said:

The problem is when the mission flies 10 blue, of them 2-3 on 262, and red players at the same time, for example, only 3. It's definitely not historical))

 

I am quite sure the Luftwaffe didn't coordinate with the RAF and USAAF when conducting air operations with the Me 262 (nor any other aircraft at that)  LOL. Which is why TAW is considered a perpetual/persistent war. 

[Chivas_Regal]

1 hour ago, JG7_X-Man said:

 

I am quite sure the Luftwaffe didn't coordinate with the RAF and USAAF when conducting air operations with the Me 262 (nor any other aircraft at that)  LOL. Which is why TAW is considered a perpetual/persistent war. 

I absolutely agree and therefore I believe that Me262 should take off only if the blue pilots on the server are in the minority.

[JG5_Schuck]

On the U2 subject,

Maybe static targets can be hidden for both sides and show up when a Recon plane flies over for a certain amount of time.

The U2 can keep its defensive and offensive armament, while other recon planes can have their loadouts fixed to empty.

The Spit can also be used (A20?), and Ju88 for the axis side.

And Tempest for armed recon in later maps.

This would give an advantage to the allied side in Recon and help offset the axis transport/para drop advantage.

One thing i did notice on the last map (or didn't) was the lack of barges and boats on the canals, maybe a few dotted about would give the P47 guys something to shoot at,

we've all seen the guncamera footage of late war ground attacks!

Also concerning the 262, many times i joined the game and found there where 0 262's available, i assumed the numbers where already heavily limited per map?

 

 

Edited August 28, 2020 by JG5_Schuck

[E69_Soec]

There was a mechanics in 1946's online campaigns very interesting imho that could be applied to the U2.

 

That is pilot's rescue missions.

 

When a player was captured after crash landing/bailing out, the coordinates were recorded in the log. Then, you could land close to the pilot's location, wait some time (depending on the distance landing to capture point, take off again and go back home. Then, you 'rescued' the friendly pilot (stats no restarted :) ).

 

I think it's a cool thing to do, but I understand that it is in practice quite unlikely to do it in a crowded server. But anyway, we could think of something to make it more feasible,.

 

Also, something like general/VIP transport would be fun. Something like you transport a VIP from X to Y (close to friendlies tank column, or defence positions) simulating the transport of a official, that slightly boost the attack/defence, or something like that.

 

Those are just some quick thoughts.

[Giovanni_Giorgio]

What about aerial artillery fire correction for U2? Say, flying a U2 for X minutes in a proximity of a defense reduces its strength by Y% next mission.

[JG4_Goddee]

E69_Soec said:

"When a player was captured after crash landing/bailing out, the coordinates were recorded in the log. Then, you could land close to the pilot's location, wait some time (depending on the distance landing to capture point, take off again and go back home. Then, you 'rescued' the friendly pilot (stats no restarted )."

 

It must be early at the time frame because the U2 is not very fast. All over 1h is too short i think. ( longer time frame?)

Edited August 30, 2020 by JG4_Goddee

[JG7_X-Man]

20 hours ago, =2ndSS=Lawyer1 said:

I absolutely agree and therefore I believe that Me262 should take off only if the blue pilots on the server are in the minority.

 

TAW admin does not agree with you.

4 hours ago, JG4_Goddee said:

When a player was captured after crash landing/bailing out, the coordinates were recorded in the log. Then, you could land close to the pilot's location, wait some time (depending on the distance landing to capture point, take off again and go back home. Then, you 'rescued' the friendly pilot (stats no restarted ).

 

Well the only issue here is looking at the logs during an on going mission is a form cheating.(almost like flying an F-4 when there are none in the current plane set ).

The idea in VEF was for the down pilot to get an idea of where they bailed out and have someone pick them up. In the game format, I am not sure how long before the downed pilot will get kicked though - that would have to be extended.

[Chivas_Regal]

2 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said:

 

TAW admin does not agree with you.

I wrote it as a suggestion. Because I know players who didn't want to go to the server when there are more blue ones and a few of them are on 262. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why there were few red players on the last map. Maybe not. In any case, TAW is a unique server and the server admins know better what is good for TAW and what is not.

[JG7_X-Man]

3 hours ago, =2ndSS=Lawyer1 said:

I wrote it as a suggestion. Because I know players who didn't want to go to the server when there are more blue ones and a few of them are on 262. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why there were few red players on the last map. Maybe not. In any case, TAW is a unique server and the server admins know better what is good for TAW and what is not.

 

With all do respect - I disagree with your suggestion

 

Why would the TAW admin consider not including an aircraft that we for the sake of balance? I think they have done a great job with reducing the #s of Me 262 with the rank limitations and limiting their number. Anything short of that is robbing the BLUE side of the advantage/fun of using the aircraft. I figure the developers added it so we should use it in TAW.

• There has not been an issue about the P-51 because it has a 1G advantage - maybe we should start a petition to ban it?
• There has not been an issue about the Ju 52 because the RED side doesn't have something comparable - maybe we should start a petition to ban it?
• There was not an issue back in the day the Pe gunners were all expert marksmen and were racking up as may kills as fighters - we did not did start a petition to ban it?

You cannot blame the Me 262 as a possible reason RED had a low turnout on Map #2 - that's an idea you made up to justify your cause. The numbers will not support that!  This is a tactic politicians use - you are better than that. 

 

I know more players that don't care about the Me 262 one way or another. With only 6-7 people ever fly the Me 262 on Map #2, don't make this an issue.

[JG4_Goddee]

@JG7_X-Man

 

This is my part:

 

"It must be early at the time frame because the U2 is not very fast. All over 1h is too short i think. ( longer time frame?)"

 

 

Edited August 30, 2020 by JG4_Goddee

[Chivas_Regal]

15 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said:

You cannot blame the Me 262 as a possible reason RED had a low turnout on Map #2 - that's an idea you made up to justify your cause. The numbers will not support that!  This is a tactic politicians use - you are better than that. 

What cause do I want to justify? I share my impressions of the game and make an offer that may be accepted or rejected. Personally, I always went to the server regardless of the numerical superiority of the enemy. And personally saw that on the server more than 10 blue and in the air 2 and sometimes 3 262, when the red players only 2 or 3. And I twice died in a situation when I was caught up with 262 and then killed by 190. This is a very killer pair and the guys from Jg4 know how to use it effectively and I respect them for that, as good pilots. But there are pilots who do not go to the server seeing that there are blue a lot and there are 262. Once again, I just shared my observation and made a suggestion. Server admins will decide what to do with it. Please don't try to change my mind any more, I understand your opinion perfectly. Want to fly four on 262 over an empty map? Welcome)

[E69_Zelar]

I think that this question had been discussed previously for sure; and even not Server-Admin dependent but Game Developers.

I have discovered recently all the possibilities of the NDB indicator that is available in same bombers, for navigation purposes,  but I have realized that always change the frequency to the nearest AF, so it's not useful for keeping an straight and stable course than could counterbalance de wind-effect To and From an specific AF in long routes.

It would be nice to be able of setting this frequency to the desired AF if posible.

 

I enjoy this server a lot when I'm able to play it, and I think your are doing an awesome work.

[=gRiJ=ToReRo]

On 8/27/2020 at 4:25 PM, =LG=Piciu said:

 

Sorry  for a lack of information about medals and diplomas in Rheinland theatre (summer season, lack of time). This was a second edition of Rheinland war so we checked it for bugs and general working. We used it as a second "test stage". No diplomas and awards will be given this time again. If everything goes fine, in third edition, we will start to give you awards. We will inform you about this, so stay tuned. Then, we will announce the awarding of diplomas and a statuette for the Allied side and name it with an appropriate name, as was the case with the Enkas cup and the Kuznechik statuette.

 

we settle for a small mention of our feat

[=AD=Str1ke]

SOoooo! If no one ask it, i'll ask first! When EF campaing will start?

Edited September 1, 2020 by -=RedS=-Str1ke

[HR_Tumu]

On 8/29/2020 at 11:57 PM, JG7_X-Man said:

Why would the TAW admin consider not including an aircraft that we for the sake of balance?

 

Because sometimes balance is needed and this is does from begining of TAW-   If im not wrong TAW moves between historicity and balance. 

 

*1 - And Yes some players dont play last map. Main reasson M262 vulching bases.

*2-  Feel free for made your petition about  P51.  If you think is the same than M262 go on.

*3-  The idea of provide Ju52 for red side too is done, and some of us made petition for eliminate Ju52 if both side no have same tacticals options in a game... called tactical air domination. Not was accepted. 

*4- Pe2 Gunners? hahahahahah really u need fly a bit on red side man.... ALL guners are the same.

 

And i want suggest again for next edition , upgrade red flack, USA flak is the worst flack.

 

Thx.

[HR_Tofolo]

The only advantadges allowed are the ones to the blue side Tumu, you should know that: paratroopers? only Blue. More A/C per pilot? only blue

 

[ACG_PanzerVI]

More TAW less Tawk!  When is the next Campaign!

On 8/28/2020 at 3:47 PM, JG5_Schuck said:

On the U2 subject,

Maybe static targets can be hidden for both sides and show up when a Recon plane flies over for a certain amount of time.

The U2 can keep its defensive and offensive armament, while other recon planes can have their loadouts fixed to empty.

The Spit can also be used (A20?), and Ju88 for the axis side.

And Tempest for armed recon in later maps.

This would give an advantage to the allied side in Recon and help offset the axis transport/para drop advantage.

One thing i did notice on the last map (or didn't) was the lack of barges and boats on the canals, maybe a few dotted about would give the P47 guys something to shoot at,

we've all seen the guncamera footage of late war ground attacks!

Also concerning the 262, many times i joined the game and found there where 0 262's available, i assumed the numbers where already heavily limited per map?

 

 

 

Combat Box has a new recon mission that allows recon designated planes (fixed loadouts in the selection screen) to pinpoint designated targets by flying in large zones on the map, similar to how we find partisans in TAW.  We've run them with Bf110s and it works pretty well. I specifically remember needing to pinpoint flotilla locations along a river in the Netherlands portion of the Rheinland map.  This would probably be fairly easy to mimic.

[JG7_X-Man]

I love my Me 262 (even though I have never actually flown in in TAW) and if you want to take it you are going to have to ask TAW admin to make that happen . End of discussion!

If you want one, build a time machine (the Netflix series "Dark" has blueprints online) and tell the RAF to hurry the Gloster Meteor or the USAAF and the Bell P-59A Airacomet into service.

 

 

 

 

[HR_Tumu]

Thx X-man, forgot what magic is be a child ... and how accurate can be  mom aiming .

 

l. 

 

[E69_Soec]

On 9/1/2020 at 12:53 PM, HR_Tofolo said:

The only advantadges allowed are the ones to the blue side Tumu, you should know that: paratroopers? only Blue. More A/C per pilot? only blue

 

With all my respects to you and halcones rojos, you should play blue from time to time. Play blue next taw, I'll do as red, you'll see things differently. I'm talking about balance in general. If I were admin, I'd ignore complaints from one-sided squads/pilots...

 

I play red, I'm fucked, I play blue, I'm fucked (last taw was an epic defeat) xD

 

I hope that after the release of C47, it can be included for paratrooping in red side as if it was a Li2

[[ER]Nordseefischer]

41 minutes ago, E69_Soec said:

 

I hope that after the release of C47, it can be included for paratrooping in red side as if it was a Li2

                         But, C46 isn`t playable, it´s only KI-controlled.                                                   

[HR_Tofolo]

4 hours ago, E69_Soec said:

With all my respects to you and halcones rojos, you should play blue from time to time. Play blue next taw, I'll do as red, you'll see things differently. I'm talking about balance in general.

 

We are the RED falcons. We're not the "sometimes red, sometimes blue" falcons. I understand your suggestion and it's something it won't change; in public competitions we always fly red. This does not mean that we do not fly german aircraft, we have some captured aircraft for test purposes and some NBQ suits for that occasions. Don't get me wrong, we know our enemies but we've been flying red 18 years and we'll stick to red another 18 years or more if possible.

 

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If I were admin, I'd ignore complaints from one-sided squads/pilots...

 

IMHO, you'd be a bad admin if you only attend complaints from one side, but ignoring someones point of view because he/she only flies one side is a completely different thing... Flying a single side does not imply bias and flying both sides does not imply neutrality, I think some of your squadmates can relate to that. 

 

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I play red, I'm fucked, I play blue, I'm fucked (last taw was an epic defeat) xD

 

That doesn't mean that one side has more advantadges than another, it means... .... ... that TAW environment is hard AF.?

 

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I hope that after the release of C47, it can be included for paratrooping in red side as if it was a Li2

Paraphrasing some blue pilots when airfield capturing was done via bombers in the very first editions of the TAW: "b-b-but the soviet plane is much faster than the blue one!" and so airfield capturing was deleted until the Ju-52 came out, but it will be nice to have the option as C47/Li-2.

 

Saludos

 

[=AD=Str1ke]

When we'll see next campaing on EF?

[SCG_Faerber]

In one hand I really wanna fly the next TAW, on the other, a new TAW campaign means more forum characters complaining about everything that does not go their way...     Difficult choice.

Edited September 10, 2020 by SCG_Faerber

[PhoenixLights97]

Yeah when is the next TAW campaign? Is there a schedule or something?

[SCG_Vieira]

When the C47 is introduced (initially as AI), it would be interesting if we had a small constant stream of Ju52/C47 (AI) supplying the front AFs from an air start in the back. They would help supply the airfields and create targets for us to attack and defend.

Edited September 10, 2020 by SCG_Vieira

[FTC_Kongoo]

2 minutes ago, SCG_Vieira said:

When the C47 is introduced (initially as AI), it would be interesting if we had a small constant stream of Ju51/C47 (AI) supplying the front AFs from an air start in the back. They would help supply the airfields and create targets for us to attack and defend.

Is the C47 going to be introduced as a flyable at a later date? I´ve only heard it being AI

[2/JG26_rudidlo]

9 minutes ago, SCG_Vieira said:

When the C47 is introduced (initially as AI), it would be interesting if we had a small constant stream of Ju51/C47 (AI) supplying the front AFs from an air start in the back. They would help supply the airfields and create targets for us to attack and defend.

You probably thought about Ju 52, not 51?

[SCG_Vieira]

21 minutes ago, ACG_Vietkong said:

Is the C47 going to be introduced as a flyable at a later date? I´ve only heard it being AI

 

For now yes, I hope in the future it will be flyable. It's because for now it will still be AI only that I was thinking how it could be used to enrich TAW. For now, the fact that the Axis had Ju52 but the Allies had nothing similar limited the variety and importance that could be given to transport missions. AI paradrops, supplies or VIP transports could be interesting missions, if they can be implemented without a crazy effort.

[BG26_Ogg]

I like running JU52 supply missions even if it is only 18-21 points a mission for a 25 minute flight.  I would even do it for the Allies if the C47 were introduced as a player controlled airframe.

 

[[GCA]T1m270]

Im out here praying we will get to fly the hurricane in the next campaign ?

[FTC_HK]

Yeah it would be neat if the campaign didn't start until the hurricane is released

[SCG_Vieira]

30 minutes ago, ACG_HardeKoning said:

Yeah it would be neat if the campaign didn't start until the hurricane is released

 

I would put it differently. I hope the Hurricane is around when the Campaign starts, but please don't delay the campaign for that or any other reason 

[FTC_HK]

57 minutes ago, SCG_Vieira said:

 

I would put it differently. I hope the Hurricane is around when the Campaign starts, but please don't delay the campaign for that or any other reason 

It would be such a shame if the first 2/3 maps are already over before the Hurricane is released. Since the hurricane will only really be a ''competitive'' plane real early on.

You won't feel the pain on the blue side Vieira! 

 

Edited September 16, 2020 by ACG_HardeKoning