Tactical Air War

[1./KG4_OldJames]

1 hour ago, Banzaii said:

Ive flown alotve red in TAW, they typicslly win it seems, my boys decided to try blue and see if we could make a dent.  Unsure if many native red squads did the same thing.  Only time will tell if blue stays interested. 

Perhaps I shall stay put with blue then. 

[ACG_KaiLae]

4 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

And 0 of them are in TS comms. 

 

 

PS: holy fuqq the blues have bad ground attacker etiquette, you wake up AA, and then dont stay to leash it so it will instantly retrain on the attackers 

Instead of not waking up the AA or leashing it once you do, flying attackers for blue sure is fun. 

(snip)

 

Aaand back to VVS

 

Would like to thank everyone in that screenshot for some great battles, as well as a series of unwitting german victims last night. Great fights. 

[LLv24_Zami]

4 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

 

And 0 of them are in TS comms. 

 

 

PS: holy fuqq the blues have bad ground attacker etiquette, you wake up AA, and then dont stay to leash it so it will instantly retrain on the attackers 

Instead of not waking up the AA or leashing it once you do, flying attackers for blue sure is fun. 

 

Aaand back to VVS

You sure give up easily, I thought you were going to show the blues how it`s done. Because blue planes are so easy mode against the red ones ?

 

Well, see you in the skies!

[Carl_infar]

15 hours ago, 1./KG4_OldJames said:

This is my first TAW I have flown in, but i am regretting choosing axis over allies due to the imbalance. 

Is there a way to correct the axis bias, or are we stuck with it throughout?

its not even nearly as bad on first maps as it was few campaigns ago. I remember taking off very often as one of 3 reds against 40+ blue on first 2 maps. 

This campaign at least during my flying was more or less balanced : like 40 blue agianst 35 red, 15 blue against 13 red...

Blue  are showing very good team work keep it up!

 

P.S.

at this moment is 7 blues to 14 reds.

anyway when bos aircraft will be avialable it'll be even more balanced

 

 

Edited June 26, 2018 by Carl_infar

[Operatsiya_Ivy]

8 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

3/1 ratio? When I was on Sunday afternoon and evening it was 45vs35, and later 40vs40.

 

Thats hardly 3/1. Will get a pic next time. 

 

When did you play, European morning? 

 

Even right now it's 14vs14.

 

That's only at peak times mostly due to the limitation system. I am pretty sure the Admins can provide player stats again. 

[Cpt_Siddy]

45 minutes ago, LLv24_Zami said:

You sure give up easily, I thought you were going to show the blues how it`s done. Because blue planes are so easy mode against the red ones ?

 

Well, see you in the skies!

 

When the people i tried to fly with categorically refuse to come to TAW ts, i don't really care at this point.  Whole blue team was farmed by 6 randoms in TS.

 

 

1 hour ago, No.615_Kai_Lae said:

 

Would like to thank everyone in that screenshot for some great battles, as well as a series of unwitting german victims last night. Great fights. 

 

Yeah, you had awesome teamwork, i joined you the nexst map and got an ACE flying with you ?  Fun was had.

[LLv24_Zami]

36 minutes ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

When the people i tried to fly with categorically refuse to come to TAW ts, i don't really care at this point.  Whole blue team was farmed by 6 randoms in TS.

 

Rrright ?

 

[KoN_]

8 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

It's 26-7 right now.  If you're flying German just assume that anything you see is friendly and don't shoot.

Hope that's not directed at me mate . ??

[=KK=Des_]

On 6/23/2018 at 9:29 PM, Operatsiya_Ivy said:

this is a sim game. Balance has no place in it. 

if you want to fly alone yes! You can forget about balance.

I think plane set on 2 map is not fair! I think we had to ignore F4 on this map! Only loosers will fly it!

[Inkophile]

8 hours ago, StG77_Kondor said:

@=LG=Kathon

Could you please check something out. Mission #21 both Russian tank columns destroyed (tank icons disappeared from map). But on Mission #22, the tanks were back and disabled both the AFs they were attacking. Is this something new that has changed? 

 

It's been the same with blue tanks. They've kept pushing so fast, usually two columns at the same time, so there was no chance in hell to destroy them. It was a big reason for Russia being steamrolled, aside from the player numbers.

[LLv34_adexu]

6 hours ago, No.615_Kai_Lae said:

 

Would like to thank everyone in that screenshot for some great battles, as well as a series of unwitting german victims last night. Great fights. 

Do not break your engine before you get hits from 109s next time plz!

 

5 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

When the people i tried to fly with categorically refuse to come to TAW ts, i don't really care at this point.  Whole blue team was farmed by 6 randoms in TS.

 

 

 

Yeah, you had awesome teamwork, i joined you the nexst map and got an ACE flying with you ?  Fun was had.

Is it possible to switch side middle of the run? If you were registered as Axis.. I think 2 randoms from Axis saw 4 of you at one point. Sneaky move to sneak and prop hang like that  

Asking about side switch, because I thought about it when saw the "balance" of players.

Edited June 26, 2018 by LLv34_adexu

[Coldman]

1 hour ago, Inkoslav said:

 

It's been the same with blue tanks. They've kept pushing so fast, usually two columns at the same time, so there was no chance in hell to destroy them. It was a big reason for Russia being steamrolled, aside from the player numbers.

There is something like bug. today i attacked russian tank column and it disapear on map but there was a plenty of tanks left so probably tanks arent gone ine reality but only on tactical map. Kathon you should look at this.

[StG77_Kondor]

1 hour ago, Inkoslav said:

 

It's been the same with blue tanks. They've kept pushing so fast, usually two columns at the same time, so there was no chance in hell to destroy them. It was a big reason for Russia being steamrolled, aside from the player numbers.

I assumed it was also happening with Blue tanks but I didn't have an exact mission # for Kathon to look at.
 

6 minutes ago, =L/R=Coldman said:

There is something like bug. today i attacked russian tank column and it disapear on map but there was a plenty of tanks left so probably tanks arent gone ine reality but only on tactical map. Kathon you should look at this.

Yes, exactly what happened in Mission #21. Eastern Red column attacking Mozhaisk only received ~15% damage but icon disappeared. Then next map it's alive and well and shutting down the AF. But then in Mission #22 the same column was damaged heavily, maybe ~5 tanks or so left, and the icon still remained. So it's not always taking away the icon with just a little damage.

[ACG_KaiLae]

I believe this is happening in general as well. We were covering a bridge last night when it disappeared from the map, only for someone to say that he was looking right at it and it was intact.

[Cpt_Siddy]

4 minutes ago, No.615_Kai_Lae said:

I believe this is happening in general as well. We were covering a bridge last night when it disappeared from the map, only for someone to say that he was looking right at it and it was intact.

 

Also many Axis planes disappeared near that bridge :^) 

[Operatsiya_Ivy]

Concerning balanced numbers

 

[DickDong]

38 minutes ago, Operatsiya_Ivy said:

Concerning balanced numbers

 

Red's attitude torwards early planset?  "Oooh my I-16 or P40, is so worthless."........ suck less and play. I would love to be in a p40 right now over a stuka, but choices were made this round.

Edited June 26, 2018 by Banzaii

[Operatsiya_Ivy]

1 hour ago, Banzaii said:

Red's attitude torwards early planset?  "Oooh my I-16 or P40, is so worthless."........ suck less and play. I would love to be in a p40 right now over a stuka, but choices were made this round.

 

Someone who has nearly as many deaths as ground objectives destroyed probably shouldn't tell others to "suck less" ?

[Flamboyant_Flamingo]

39 minutes ago, Operatsiya_Ivy said:

 

Someone who has nearly as many deaths as ground objectives destroyed probably shouldn't tell others to "suck less" ?

 

 

[Carl_infar]

3 hours ago, Operatsiya_Ivy said:

Concerning balanced numbers

 

the balance is anyway much, much better than many campaigns I remember for the first two maps (which by the way many of them red won...).

On most campaigns the maps without the bos planes were less populated by Reds.

I might be wrong but I dont remeber You complaining about it while flying blue side.

Only complaining that the red plains are biased and due to it the blue side is loosing and not due to blue hartman type gameplay….;)

Edited June 26, 2018 by Carl_infar

[Klever]

Good afternoon, I have such a question. Tell me please, is this option for red pilots, how to return home in most cases after an emergency landing on the territory of the enemy has already been canceled? Or is it just so unlucky for me? I had three emergency landing and in all three cases was captured? There is the impression that under each bush a German soldier is waiting, in order to capture the Soviet pilot in captivity.

[Operatsiya_Ivy]

19 minutes ago, Carl_infar said:

the balance is anyway much, much better than many campaigns I remember for the first two maps (which by the way many of them red won...).

On most campaigns the maps without the bos planes were less populated.

 

It is pretty much the same give or take. I don't quite remember the numbers from last campaign though the squadrons switching each time are unbalanced which is partly a reason for it with the usual higher random player numbers for Blue. Since last campaign, the mechanics changed drastically which only gives us one comparable one really. It looks like it favors steamrolling maps though due to the higher tank spawn rate. While the team with a number disadvantaged was still able to weaken a single tank column in the past, you now have 2-3 of them rolling at you.

 

25 minutes ago, Carl_infar said:

I might be wrong but I dont remeber You complaining about it while flying blue side.

Only complaining that the red plains are biased and due to it the red are winning and not blue hartman type gameplay….

 

Apparently you get me wrong. I am not complaining about the numbers at all. I actually prefer flying with a numerical disadvantage!. However, doing a laudation about how great the blue team is working together (which btw is true as far as i can tell with most blue players organised in squadrons) without mentioning the numerical advantage is window dressing.

 

I also don't understand where you get the notion from that i complained that there is a bias for red planes? I think you need to read that particular comment you are probably referring to with greater care. 

[ACG_KaiLae]

4 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

 

Also many Axis planes disappeared near that bridge :^) 

 

That however was due to perfectly valid reasons, as we violenced their boats

[1./KG4_OldJames]

41 minutes ago, Klever said:

Good afternoon, I have such a question. Tell me please, is this option for red pilots, how to return home in most cases after an emergency landing on the territory of the enemy has already been canceled? Or is it just so unlucky for me? I had three emergency landing and in all three cases was captured? There is the impression that under each bush a German soldier is waiting, in order to capture the Soviet pilot in captivity.

I always thought that if a red pilot landed anywhere, his odds of not being captured should be greater than an axis pilots chances.

[Carl_infar]

55 minutes ago, Operatsiya_Ivy said:

 

 

I also don't understand where you get the notion from that i complained that there is a bias for red planes? I think you need to read that particular comment you are probably referring to with greater care. 

Thats why I wrote if remember correctly and i mighty be wrong.

 

As for campaign mechanic, wasn't it changed last campaign so its same for current and previous campaign?

 

And the team play is much  better to what I've seen 2 campaigns ago when I also was flying blue.

 

anyway as for blance now its 50 reds to 31 blues and I cant join , its  disconnecting me  

(but I dont know why my wife is happy about it)

 

 

Edited June 26, 2018 by Carl_infar

[LLv24_Zami]

Looks like 31 blue vs 49 red at the moment. Is this the right place to complain about it?

[LLv44_Mprhead]

4 minutes ago, LLv24_Zami said:

Looks like 31 blue vs 49 red at the moment. Is this the right place to complain about it?

 

Russian player base has woken up after the weekend? Anyway 3:2 or something like that is ok in my books, when it was 15:1 for blue side it actually made me think about going red...

[LLv24_Zami]

13 minutes ago, LLv44_Mprhead said:

 

Russian player base has woken up after the weekend? Anyway 3:2 or something like that is ok in my books, when it was 15:1 for blue side it actually made me think about going red...

Well, it isn't really bothering me. But since many are complaining about something, I thought to give it a shot ?

[LuftManu]

So many people bothering about this. I am just happy to be able to fly in this kind of missions. While it is true that the balance has gone the other way now, we should not worry about it. We are fighting a war and we need to take out objectives, patrol areas and etc. That is the daily win, to make it home after a mission. 

Please, I am not disrespecting any opinion here, I find them all valid. It is good to see such competitivism but don't take this to another level. At the end of the day we are all on the same boat flying the same sim and tomorrow we could be virtual allies or enemies. This is for everyone, for the Reds who don't want to fly because of the numbers and for tor the blues too.

 

Just my 2 cents

Edited June 26, 2018 by LF_ManuV

[=FEW=Hauggy]

Congrats on adding more 109 F4s the absence of this plane in the early maps was one of the only reasons I played on your server.

At least I had a reason to fly the F2 and the campaign was all the more enjoyable on the Russian side.

What's the next step? G14 on map 3?

That's a terrible choice...

Edited June 26, 2018 by =FEW=Hauggy

[DickDong]

11 hours ago, Operatsiya_Ivy said:

 

Someone who has nearly as many deaths as ground objectives destroyed probably shouldn't tell others to "suck less" ?

Spoken in true fashion from someone too good to support the ground war.

[BraveSirRobin]

2 hours ago, Banzaii said:

Spoken in true fashion from someone too good to support the ground war.

 

If you have nearly as many deaths as ground targets destroyed, you're not doing much to support the ground war either.

[JaffaCake]

10 hours ago, =FEW=Hauggy said:

Congrats on adding more 109 F4s the absence of this plane in the early maps was one of the only reasons I played on your server.

At least I had a reason to fly the F2 and the campaign was all the more enjoyable on the Russian side.

What's the next step? G14 on map 3?

That's a terrible choice...

 

 

You should also complain that the 109s can remove the headrest, because rear vision is so OP! Its a pity that a prominent core group of red flyers from WOL outright scoff at considering to fly on any other server.

[JGr8_Leopard]

Why not +1CM? 

Скрытый текст

 

 

Edited June 27, 2018 by JGr8_Leopard

[Cpt_Siddy]

1 hour ago, JGr8_Leopard said:

Why not +1CM? 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

 

вы сделали сопли на полный аэродром? последний рейс длился 15 минут 

 

[=FEW=Hauggy]

4 hours ago, JaffaCake said:

 

 

You should also complain that the 109s can remove the headrest, because rear vision is so OP! Its a pity that a prominent core group of red flyers from WOL outright scoff at considering to fly on any other server.

I'm not only flying red you genius

[SCG_ItsDrifter]

3 hours ago, =FEW=Hauggy said:

I'm not only flying red you genius

 

 

That was a really bad Counter Argument 

[=FEW=Hauggy]

11 minutes ago, SCG_DR1FT3R said:

 

 

That was a really bad Counter Argument 

We can agree on that. Not sure what's with the German fanboys who consider anyone whos not agreeing with them a Russian Fanboy.

I mean I played last campaign on the German side and never complained about the lack of very powerful planes, hell I even like flying the E7.

Edited June 27, 2018 by =FEW=Hauggy

[FTC_DerSheriff]

Sadly this forum thread is getting worse each day. Instead of constructive criticism we just have a endless train of personal attacks. 

[=LG/F=Kathon]

On 6/23/2018 at 1:59 PM, =19FAB=Shyrik_VR said:

what [edited] ?? f4 on the second map?

 

On 6/23/2018 at 3:48 PM, Norz said:

 

=LG=Kathon,

 

can you check the planeset ?

 

2nd map was all the time only with e7, f2, mc202. 109F4 should be not allowed there.

The F-4 is not available at the beginning and it's 0/1 after F-2 0/1 so it takes a while to get this plane. So far the F-4 shot down only 10% of the Allied aircraft, where E-7 shot down almost 50% on the #2 map. Is it really so big advantage for Axis? 

 

 

On 6/23/2018 at 10:22 PM, Inkoslav said:

 

How random are the gunner skills? Do they go all the way from crappy to super, or medium to super, or bad to medium, or...?

 

Why the change to AK scoring? Is it a technical limitation, or is it just because it is an "unobserved" kill, or...?

 

And one thing about the planeset: How come the Germans get the 109 F-4 on map #2? The F-2 is superior to the MiG already, and it's not like the P-40 can compete other than in turn radius and dive speed, even against the F-2.

Gunners are: 75% Normal, 25% High

 

AK scoring: it has worked like that for a long time so it's not really a change, but I wanted to clarify it. There is a problem with kill when a pilot only damage enemy then he lands and start a new  sortie. If the enemy crashes after that it's not possible to update the stats because the attacker has a new sortie and stats from previous sortie had been calculated.

 

 

On 6/23/2018 at 11:27 PM, Operatsiya_Ivy said:

Just because the F-4 was present doesn't mean that this is a correct way to put it into map 2. 

 

As it is now you will see as many F4s in the air as F2s which is far from reality because very few units were equipped with them. Of course you can argue that this justifies it putting it on 0/1 but in my opinion this is a slippery slope because it would/should be the case for other aircrafts as well. 

How very few? At the moment only 45 Axis pilots have F-4 out of 638  so it's only 7%.

 

 

On 6/25/2018 at 6:24 AM, Inkoslav said:

Not quite sure if the tank spawning system has changed anything since the previous campaigns or if the reds just have been unlucky this campaign, but it feels like too many tanks spawn too fast.

 

During the first rounds of the campaign, round after round, the blue tanks kept pushing without pause, so there was no reds to stop them. Not when outnumbered more than 2:1 every round. It would be nice if there was a round or two's pause between tank pushes so that the defending side has time to do anything about it, or at least if they keep losing they aren't rolled over in an instant, but get some time for when the team ratios might change enough.

There was a strange bug on the #1 map after mission #3. Axis tanks were attacking axis cities and in the later missions there was a few Allied tanks. I think I have fixed this bug. 

 

 

On 6/25/2018 at 9:31 AM, LLv34_adexu said:

Server is very laggy. Yesterday I emptied around 1/3th of my ammunition in to the =FEW=Revolveses I-16 and didn't even get smoke from it. Wing mates saw it too, there was many hits. Too bad didn't record it.

 

Sometimes DServer.exe jumps into very high (abnormal) utilization without a reason. Normally during the full server time  the utilization is below 60%. So it's probably DServer bug.

 

 

On 6/25/2018 at 10:05 AM, Norz said:

@=LG=Kathon

 

please correct a planeset for the map N2 (109f4 should be excluded). The first map ended just in 48 hours and it is just so bad....

 

 

As above.

 

On 6/26/2018 at 12:16 AM, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

3/1 ratio? When I was on Sunday afternoon and evening it was 45vs35, and later 40vs40.

 

Thats hardly 3/1. Will get a pic next time. 

 

When did you play, European morning? 

 

Even right now it's 14vs14.

You can check history number of players here: http://www.thewetbandits.org/smf/index.php?topic=285.0

 

On 6/26/2018 at 4:10 AM, StG77_Kondor said:

@=LG=Kathon

Could you please check something out. Mission #21 both Russian tank columns destroyed (tank icons disappeared from map). But on Mission #22, the tanks were back and disabled both the AFs they were attacking. Is this something new that has changed? 

It's a bug (after adding the Axis radio feature). It's been fixed. 

 

 

On 6/26/2018 at 6:46 PM, Klever said:

Good afternoon, I have such a question. Tell me please, is this option for red pilots, how to return home in most cases after an emergency landing on the territory of the enemy has already been canceled? Or is it just so unlucky for me? I had three emergency landing and in all three cases was captured? There is the impression that under each bush a German soldier is waiting, in order to capture the Soviet pilot in captivity.

No, you just have a very bad luck probably.