Mossie night missions

[RedeyeStorm]

Hi all,

 

I have started a mossie compaign in PWCG but I of 6 missions all except one have been night missions. However in all the missions I have yet to encounter any searchlights and as a result no AAA fire. This makes for rather boring flights. So two questions:

1) Should there be so many night missions or is it just coincidence?

2) Lack of searchlights ditto?

[PatrickAWlson]

Night mission probability is defined at a  squadron level.  Night mission odds during the Bodenplatte time frame are only 20% so that is a bit of bad luck.  You can always scrub a mission you don't like.  It's not cheating, I do it all the time.

[Majpalmer]

I'm keep getting denied claims, something that I rarely if ever saw before. I see the EA go down. I see the notification that I downed the EA. I check the Events Log to make sure I have the proper type of the EA. So far in this latest career I've had four confirmed kills and three denied. 

 

Has something changed? 

[PatrickAWlson]

35 minutes ago, Majpalmer said:

I'm keep getting denied claims, something that I rarely if ever saw before. I see the EA go down. I see the notification that I downed the EA. I check the Events Log to make sure I have the proper type of the EA. So far in this latest career I've had four confirmed kills and three denied. 

 

Has something changed? 

 

Use report error to post a zip.  My time is much more limited these days, but I do try to get to them. 

 

PWCG claims system is EXTREMELY lenient.  The only reason a claim is denied is if the downed planes are all accounted for in the logs and your pilot is not the victor of record. At least that's the intent.

 

Could always be something wrong in the code.  What you see in the game is not what I see in the logs.  Been asking 1C to log a a summary for years - hasn't happened yet.  As a result I have to do a lot of guess work based on incomplete data.  If you do the "report error" zip I can recreate what you are seeing.  Report error has to be used at trhe point where the problem still exists.  If you just move on to a new mission it's too late.

 

 

[Majpalmer]

I've started running the Debrief, which I used to skip, and things seem to be fine so far with the claims. 

 

This has nothing to do with the Campaign Generator, but so much for crappy AI. 

 

Of the original 12 pilots in my unit, in 16 days (October 1941) 7 are gone, including Barkhorn and Graf, both KIA. If this keep up, my loss rate for the month will be 100%. 

 

And I'm playing on easy. 

[BBAS_Tiki_Joe]

23 hours ago, Majpalmer said:

I'm keep getting denied claims, something that I rarely if ever saw before. I see the EA go down. I see the notification that I downed the EA. I check the Events Log to make sure I have the proper type of the EA. So far in this latest career I've had four confirmed kills and three denied. 

 

Has something changed? 

 

We are seeing this in our CoOp campaign, been using the in game score to do the claims. One of our pilots got 5 kills, only counted 2. I got 3 kills it gave me zero. This along with others. We are are seeing maybe a little over half of our kills being accepted, all the rest are denied. I don't know about SP though, sounds like we might be experiencing the same in CoOp.

[PatrickAWlson]

If somebody posts an error report (the zip that is created by pressing "Report Error") I will look  into it.

[RedeyeStorm]

On 7/3/2022 at 6:10 PM, PatrickAWlson said:

Night mission probability is defined at a  squadron level.  Night mission odds during the Bodenplatte time frame are only 20% so that is a bit of bad luck.  You can always scrub a mission you don't like.  It's not cheating, I do it all the time.

Thanks Pat. Is it correct that there are no searchlights?

[PatrickAWlson]

7 minutes ago, RedeyeStorm said:

Thanks Pat. Is it correct that there are no searchlights?

 

There are some places that have searchlights and some that don't.  Would have to review the code to see where they are placed.  More might be better.

[RedeyeStorm]

Yup. Would make it a lot more exciting. Would say that searchlights around cities and airfields would be a good idea.

[PatrickAWlson]

42 minutes ago, RedeyeStorm said:

Yup. Would make it a lot more exciting. Would say that searchlights around cities and airfields would be a good idea.

 

Just looked - searchlight creation is very limited.  Mostly for strategic bombing missions and also around airfields.  Making a note to expand searchlight creation to areas like rail stations, bridges, night convoys (I think we have truck mounted searchlights) etc.  

[migmadmarine]

Feel like truck searchlights probably weren't used in convoys, you could probably leave them out of that context. 

Edited August 29, 2022 by migmadmarine

[Majpalmer]

11 hours ago, BBAS_Tiki_Joe said:

 

We are seeing this in our Coop campaign, been using the in game score to do the claims. One of our pilots got 5 kills, only counted 2. I got 3 kills it gave me zero. This along with others. We are are seeing maybe a little over half of our kills being accepted, all the rest are denied. I don't know about SP though, sounds like we might be experiencing the same in CoOp.

I'm fairly sure it has something to do with adding pilots, which you do in coop and can do (and I do) in SP. The several sorties I flew where my primary guy lost kills were ones in which I also added one of my added pilots. I noticed that when I went to report kills, there were two tabs, one for my flown pilot and one for my AI flown pilot. I left his tab blank because I didn't know what he had done, and he is not identified on the end of mission events screen in IL-2. One time I thought I had seen him down a I-16 so I claimed that. It gave him the kill, but took an I-16 claim from me. 

 

It seems that the only time I have the problem is when I add one of these guys to my flight. I transferred them to different outfits and it hasn't repeated. 

 

It appears that if I fly with them, they only score if I gift them the kill. As I said, I've seen them get kills but they don't seem to get credit. 

[PatrickAWlson]

Just post a zip and I'll figure it out.  

[BBAS_Tiki_Joe]

11 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Just post a zip and I'll figure it out.  

Thanks Pat! I've attached our current campaign. The file was too large for just the zip but here is a link to gdrive: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yNprSGjlapJjkSQiycfwkxkph8sBE1Ee/view?usp=sharing

 

Let me know if you need anything else, best regards! And thanks for all you do again.

[PatrickAWlson]

41 minutes ago, BBAS_Tiki_Joe said:

Thanks Pat! I've attached our current campaign. The file was too large for just the zip but here is a link to gdrive: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yNprSGjlapJjkSQiycfwkxkph8sBE1Ee/view?usp=sharing

 

Let me know if you need anything else, best regards! And thanks for all you do again.

 

Can you tell me what you are claiming that is being denied?

[BBAS_Tiki_Joe]

3 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Can you tell me what you are claiming that is being denied?

 

Hi Pat,From my terrible memory the last thing I can remember is it might of been some JU88's and 190's that we ran into on the last mission. From the first two we ran, we had claims denied as well but I cannot remember what the particulars were. We are running another event tomorrow evening, I'll make sure to make notes/grab screen shots of anything funky going on so I can get you more accurate info.

[Chief_Mouser]

SP campaign for the Mossie (4 Sqn), my AI mates are being credited with air kills when they have never fired their guns or been anywhere near the aircraft in question. And I'm getting ground kills denied. For example, blew up a truck when no-one else was about but nothing given.

[PatrickAWlson]

To all who are having issues with claims: POST A ZIP. 

 

Once more: I DO NOT GET AN ACCURATE SUMMARY IN THE LOGS.  That leaves me doing fuzzy logic and guessing.  I built in the "report error" button to recreate your campaigns on my machine so I can see what is happening.  

 

Below are the kill records for a mission.  Every one that says AID:-1 is the game not telling me who scored the victory.  Probably over half are unresolved.  I know you see resolved results in the in game after action, but I do not get them in the logs. 

 

missionReport(2022-07-02_20-42-15)[31].txt:T:48661 AType:3 AID:1491967 TID:1201151 POS(14315.0029,2701.2559,130319.6094)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[18].txt:T:28368 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:1248255 POS(75581.5781,252.4136,84126.4141)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[18].txt:T:28368 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:1249279 POS(75582.1719,253.0567,84126.2109)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[18].txt:T:28370 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:1231871 POS(75657.9766,249.6332,83899.5469)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[18].txt:T:28370 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:1232895 POS(75658.5859,250.2990,83899.4844)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[18].txt:T:28397 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:1199103 POS(75887.1641,247.6793,82618.1484)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[18].txt:T:28397 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:1200127 POS(75887.1406,247.8248,82619.0391)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[18].txt:T:28400 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:1215487 POS(75610.9375,252.5695,83753.2656)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[18].txt:T:28401 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:1216511 POS(75608.4297,250.2781,83753.3672)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[19].txt:T:30533 AType:3 AID:1613823 TID:1561599 POS(67164.5000,1643.0376,88915.8594)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[20].txt:T:32776 AType:3 AID:1668095 TID:663551 POS(66163.4375,1548.8311,85768.1797)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[20].txt:T:33057 AType:3 AID:794623 TID:112639 POS(80374.2031,218.1393,81931.5156)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[21].txt:T:33273 AType:3 AID:2227199 TID:2222079 POS(67084.5234,164.3578,94355.9297)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[21].txt:T:33274 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:2223103 POS(67084.5234,164.3578,94355.9297)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[21].txt:T:33291 AType:3 AID:778239 TID:103423 POS(80239.4609,215.1122,81851.8516)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[21].txt:T:33478 AType:3 AID:103423 TID:761855 POS(79903.3828,204.7763,82421.2344)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[21].txt:T:33478 AType:3 AID:103423 TID:762879 POS(79903.9453,205.2611,82420.8906)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[22].txt:T:35040 AType:3 AID:1668095 TID:1545215 POS(64875.4336,1612.4381,85607.7813)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[22].txt:T:35040 AType:3 AID:1668095 TID:1546239 POS(64875.5820,1612.0551,85607.0938)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[25].txt:T:40638 AType:3 AID:794623 TID:75775 POS(80081.3203,217.6434,81704.6953)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[25].txt:T:40701 AType:3 AID:778239 TID:94207 POS(80224.9219,199.9710,82212.3203)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[28].txt:T:46178 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:1223679 POS(65471.6094,241.4245,83987.0703)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[28].txt:T:46231 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:664575 POS(65470.9648,233.5661,83986.3047)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[30].txt:T:48969 AType:3 AID:1383423 TID:1646591 POS(48002.9453,660.8807,92833.4453)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[34].txt:T:55608 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:630783 POS(61410.0078,180.3514,88473.5313)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[34].txt:T:55608 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:631807 POS(61410.5156,180.2271,88472.9219)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[40].txt:T:64614 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:1668095 POS(30119.6426,733.5388,105923.0234)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[40].txt:T:64615 AType:3 AID:1668095 TID:1416191 POS(30117.4473,730.5754,105924.3984)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[40].txt:T:64615 AType:3 AID:1668095 TID:1417215 POS(30117.2832,730.4451,105923.6250)
missionReport(2022-07-02_21-16-40)[40].txt:T:64615 AType:3 AID:-1 TID:1669119 POS(30119.7871,733.1881,105921.6953)
missionReport(2022-07-03_13-26-40)[17].txt:T:25673 AType:3 AID:878591 TID:1030143 POS(70092.6953,1960.4764,110605.8281)
missionReport(2022-07-03_13-26-40)[17].txt:T:25673 AType:3 AID:878591 TID:1031167 POS(70092.0156,1960.6400,110606.7500)
missionReport(2022-07-03_13-26-40)[21].txt:T:33418 AType:3 AID:135167 TID:388095 POS(78799.4609,177.1803,95436.3359)
missionReport(2022-07-03_13-26-40)[21].txt:T:33537 AType:3 AID:102399 TID:406527 POS(78744.9453,176.5913,95461.8281)
missionReport(2022-07-03_13-26-40)[21].txt:T:33617 AType:3 AID:118783 TID:428031 POS(78701.1719,176.5741,95445.3672)
 

[PatrickAWlson]

For several years now I have asked  PWCG users to press "Report Error" and post the resulting zip file.  In this thread I think that I have repeated that request at least three times.  Is this asking too much?  Being serious - I know the zip file results frequently get bigger than the allowed post.  Is it something else?

 

If I understand the reasons for not meeting this request I can do something about it.  The simple fact is that if I don't get the error zips then you don't get the fixes.  Without those zips it is simply impossible for me to recreate your environment.  

 

So please finish the sentence: "I would give you the error reports if ..."

[FodderMonkey]

Maybe a pinned thread that's a tutorial on when and how to send error reports?  Include screenshots showing the user exactly which button on exactly which page.  I'll get it started:

 

 

1. This is the main page of PWCG.  Notice your campaigns are on the right side of the screen.  Open the campaign for which you wish to send an error report.

 

2. On the campaign page the bottom button on the left hand side of the screen is "Report Error".  Press that button to create an error report.

 

It's been forever since I last sent an error report, so I'll leave it to someone better informed to take it from there.

 

Thanks!

 

 

[PatrickAWlson]

@FodderMonkey Unfortunately I do not have admin privilege in this area, so I cannot control content and what is or is not pinned.

[Varibraun]

15 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

I cannot control content and what is or is not pinned.

 

I was thinking about that when I saw @FodderMonkey's good suggestion for a brief "reporting error" tutorial.  I am assuming there is a good reason why @Jason_Williams can't give you Admin privileges here, so I wonder if you could still put together a thread with a Topic like "Posting PWCG Error Reports" with a couple of screenshots and arrows for the new guys.  Then those of us who have been around for a while that read most of the posts here could help you out by bumping and linking that thread when we see a post with reported issue. 

 

Just a thought, and I would be happy to put a Thread together, but I think it would have more impact if drafted by "The Creator."  Also, if it would save you some time, I, and I am sure some others here are probably willing to state something like "Pat needs to have an error report in order to analyze the issue" to bump the thread so that you don't have to continue to repeat it so often.  At least from my perspective, if someone can't be bothered to simply push a button and post/link an error report for you when they have clear instructions on how to do it, then it isn't worth your time to consider their issue.

 

Finally, it may be that as you noted, the file size limit is deterring some from posting.  I don't know what the easiest way around that is to make it simple.  I have been fortunate that my PWCG error files have not exceeded 5 MB,  but I have had to use my Google Drive for some larger Track Files for @-DED-Rapidus in reporting AI issues.  It would be nice if the Devs could increase that 5 MB limit and maybe trade off for a quicker removal of old files. 

[Majpalmer]

23 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

For several years now I have asked  PWCG users to press "Report Error" and post the resulting zip file.  In this thread I think that I have repeated that request at least three times.  Is this asking too much?  Being serious - I know the zip file results frequently get bigger than the allowed post.  Is it something else?

 

If I understand the reasons for not meeting this request I can do something about it.  The simple fact is that if I don't get the error zips then you don't get the fixes.  Without those zips it is simply impossible for me to recreate your environment.  

 

So please finish the sentence: "I would give you the error reports if ..."

Pat, this wasn't an issue with claims, but it's a mission that starts in-air with a radio report of bandits low that do not exist. It's not a problem since you can ignore it.

 

That assumes you're playing with the map on and can easily see that there are no EAs around. I imagine if you were playing without maps on, you'd start diving and looking for the enemy, to no avail.

 

I thought it might be linked to the issue that was plaguing the earlier version that had planes after takeoff circling as if there were EAs nearby. 

Bleichrodt202207091207232.zip

[PatrickAWlson]

3 minutes ago, Majpalmer said:

Pat, this wasn't an issue with claims, but it's a mission that starts in-air with a radio report of bandits low that do not exist. It's not a problem since you can ignore it.

 

That assumes you're playing with the map on and can easily see that there are no EAs around. I imagine if you were playing without maps on, you'd start diving and looking for the enemy, to no avail.

 

I thought it might be linked to the issue that was plaguing the earlier version that had planes after takeoff circling as if there were EAs nearby. 

Bleichrodt202207091207232.zip 1.69 MB · 0 downloads

 

 

Radio callouts are not something that PWCXG controls.  What I am afraid of is the code now is reacting to non activated planes.  That's a guess.  However, that call out combined with the AI getting utterly confused is what forced me to back out my last change.  Thanks for posting the zip.  If I can take the mission and isolate it down to something much smaller I might be able to figure it out.  If nothing else, if I can reduce it to  a small  mission that demonstrates the problem I can post it to "Complaints" ... where it will meet the fate of most complaints  

 

@Varibraun

A bit back I posted:

So please finish the sentence: "I would give you the error reports if ..."

I was really hoping to get some responses.  Zero so far.  I don't want to put hours in on a guess.  If I get definitive feedback like "get the file size down so I can post it on this forum" then I have something to go on.  

 

One thing that I did do was an info level dump of destroyed and damage logs that shows who scored a kill (definitive) and who damaged a vehicle where there is no definitive kill.  This is before PWCG does anything.  It should help in cases where people believe they should get credit but PWCG does not give it.  I have definitely seen ground unit kills simply not logged.  Air unit kills are often logged as victor unknown.  The after action map shows the game's resolution of victories but that summary information is never logged, so I don't have it.