Reverb G1 Vs G2 - that's the Question ??

[NiiranenVR]

As written - I have the G1 , is the money worth change ????

 

 

[TCW_Brzi_Joe]

What is your IPD (inter pupilary distance - distance between eyes)? If you fit good with your IPD to G1 then why change?

If not, save your eyes and get G2.

 

 

[NiiranenVR]

I have no problem with IPD , I'm a average man ?- but in that clip there should be better clarity and color ... So .... 

I remember the change from Oculus CV 1 ( the one before S ) and it was really a change , so I would like to know from maybe one from the Il2 world  who have tried the change ?

18 minutes ago, Brzi_Joe said:

[HunDread]

If I had a G1 I would probably wait until the G2 is widely available then go into any retailer buy it and return it in case it's not worth the upgrade.

[SCG_motoadve]

Same here waiting from someone in Il2 forums that have gone from G1 to G2.

Lots of reviewers comes from VR headsets with a lot lower resolution so they are blown away, they would have been blown away by the G1 probably too, so their reviews does not mean much to G1 current owners.

[Varibraun]

1 hour ago, J5_NiiranenVR-Gfr said:

so I would like to know from maybe one from the Il2 world  who have tried the change

 

I am awaiting my G2 prescription lenses (on order) before I can really fairly compare my G1 to the G2.  I will report back once I have those regarding the sweetspot (which was the biggest reason I ordered the G2).  Right now, I can tell you that I definitely notice that the color and sound are both better for me.   

[NiiranenVR]

2 hours ago, SCG_motoadve said:

does not mean

What I say too ?

1 hour ago, Varibraun said:

G2 prescription lenses

As said - Im a average up age ( and more ages are coming ?‍♂️) man , I buy the cheap glasses +2 at the shop for reading the blogs of Sturmovik 

I don't feel it's necessary with my G1 - but how do I know ....I have never tried ?

Edited December 1, 2020 by J5_NiiranenVR-Gfr
But'eeeh .... It's only when I'm reading I feel it's important for me with glasses , when I drive my car or other it's not important

[Bernard_IV]

I went from the G1 to the G2.  The lenses on the G2 have a bigger sweet spot, it is much easier on the eyes and has better visuals.  I can stay in this headset for hours and feel better than I did in the G1.  The colors are improved as well.  The G2 is more comfortable on the face, the G1 has a tight nose area.  If you have a big nose the G1 is unbearable, doesn't fit at all.  G2 has an IPD slider so you can get really dialed in.  G2 controllers are much better than the bulky G1 WMR grips.  The G1 is a solid headset but the G2 improves on it in every way.  I sold my G1 for 380 or and bought this for 600, I'm pretty happy with it.  They are the same resolution but the quality of life improvements on the G2 are worth the money in my opinion.

Edited December 1, 2020 by Bernard_IV

[Varibraun]

3 hours ago, J5_NiiranenVR-Gfr said:

As said - Im a average up age ( and more ages are coming ?‍♂️) man , I buy the cheap glasses +2 at the shop for reading the blogs of Sturmovik 

I don't feel it's necessary with my G1 - but how do I know ....I have never tried ?

 

If it helps, based on your previous post, I think you and I are the same age.  I also use +2 for reading, but it is apparently the distance vision that matters for VR.  Since my distance vision is still decent (but no longer 20/20), I didn't worry about it for the CV1, the Odyssey, or the Rift. 

 

But the G1 was sharp enough that I started to wonder.  So, I tried wearing glasses in the headset.  I could tell that my progressive multi-focal lens glasses made a difference inside the G1 if I was looking in the right spot, but the multi-focal aspect of the glasses was a no-go in the headset.  The VR lenses were about the same price as getting another set of distance only glasses, so I thought it was worth a shot. 

 

I was very happy with that decision, the VR lenses brought additional clarity, and for whatever reason, also widened my personal sweetspot compared to glasses.  That's why I can't compare the G1 to the G2 until I get the G2 lenses - but based on what @Bernard_IV just posted I am excited for them to arrive.  Anyway, my advice is if you have a distance vision prescription from an Optician, lenses are worth the small investment considering the cost of the headset.

Edited December 1, 2020 by Varibraun

[NiiranenVR]

24 minutes ago, Varibraun said:

the same age

Thanx , I Guess its worth trying ....and forgot to write my age ..... 58 year ??

[Varibraun]

13 minutes ago, J5_NiiranenVR-Gfr said:

Thanx , I Guess its worth trying ....and forgot to write my age ..... 58 year ??

 

Yes, saw it in your other post...1962 was a good year on both sides of the Atlantic    

 

Regarding the lenses, just decide about the G2 first, you don't want to buy 2 sets of lenses if you are selling the G1.

[NiiranenVR]

4 minutes ago, Varibraun said:

1962 was a good year

Yes it was not bad ?

 

I do nothing before next year -new PSU/GPU are coming and maybe better ram and so on , so.... I'm reading and reading for get a picture of what at I want next year ??

[shirazjohn]

Hi guys i have had my G2 for five days now and have been comparing it with my old G1 

 

I would like start off by saying that i wear glasses and have been using Vr optician lens inserts with the G1 and have subsequently used them with the G2 by using blue-tac to hold them in as they are not compatible with the G2 (not ideal but will have to do for now). I have an IPD of 63.5

 

I personally have found the clarity and sweet spot of the G2 is not dramatically better than the G1 although it is better.

The colour and brightness are better with the G2.

The sound is much better with the G2 (I found it so bad on the G1 I used separate headphones.)

I find the headset more comfortable than the G1 although I do notice the slight increase in weight but I'm sure I will get used to it.

I have found tracking is better ( my room isn't that brightly lit and when I turn my head to look behind the G1 loses tracking occasionally but I haven't found this with the G2)

 

To sum up I personally feel if you have an IPD with fits with the constraints of the G1 I don't think its worth the upgrade for the sweet spot and clarity alone for the G2, although with dedicated lens inserts specifically for the G2 I may find it different.

I do think with the G1 its only a matter of time before the cable issue rears' its ugly head again (I'm on my second G1 and my warranty is now nearing its end) so I'm happy with the upgrade its definitely an improvement over the G1 but maybe not as much as I had hoped. 

 

  

 

 

 

[[-=BP=-]Slegawsky_VR]

Same resolution but I am curious about the face gasket making FoV smaller than G1. Is it noticeable?

 

[shirazjohn]

I personally haven't noticed much difference, the G1 shows a FOV of 92 in il2 and the G2 shows 94 . I have heard reducing the foam thickness on face gasket can make a difference but i can't imagine it will make that much difference. 

Edited December 5, 2020 by shirazjohn

[Charlo-VRde]

I’ve never used a G1 (I had a Quest) and I am very happy with my G2, but I am going to try this mod as soon as my WIDMOvr prescription lens adapters arrive:

 

 

I’ve ordered these Vive gaskets to try: 

 

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FCHYD6T/

 

[NiiranenVR]

Why use these gasket / for make room for glasses or what ?

[41Sqn_Skipper]

1 minute ago, J5_NiiranenVR-Gfr said:

Why use these gasket / for make room for glasses or what ?

 

The factory gasket has enough room to wear glasses. If you don't wear glasses the distance between eye and lense is unnecessary long. The closer the distance, the more FOV (at least that's what some claim). 

[Charlo-VRde]

Perhaps greater comfort, too, since those Vive gaskets have a soft, breathable leather covering. I may also not bother adding to them the light-blocking nose pieces so I can see my keyboard more easily (as I could with the Quest). Or maybe I won't find these Vive gaskets as nice as the stock G2 gasket - I'm really just throwing another $25 at my hobby to play around with customization ?

[Panzerlang]

With the G2 comfortably tight the FOV appeared less than the Q2 (I could see the rims much more noticeably). Tightening the straps improved it but at the cost of it being a bit too tight. Hopefully some third-party will provide one that connects to the unit more closely. Too close however and the top edge of the actual panel becomes slightly visible.

[unlikely_spider]

Question to all - a lot of talk of the importance of FoV. In flight sims I appreciate the utility of a large FoV in games like this under ideal circumstances, but with the relatively narrow sweet spot of headsets that we have these days, what difference would it realistically make? Just for immersion? I'm not sure I can see it helping with spotting or other practical uses.

 

Edit - maybe for formation flying

Edited December 5, 2020 by unlikely_spider

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Watching your six and immersion.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Spatial awareness, very important in precision aerobatics and advanced maneuvering, quite handy in a knife fight if your into the whole stick and rudder gig.  Kind of critical to have that sensory input to make accurate judgements of energy states in relation to your opponent.  Overall more equal to what a pilot would experience, be a pretty big handicap putting a horse blinder on him, he more than likely wouldn't participate.

[unlikely_spider]

23 minutes ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Spatial awareness, very important in precision aerobatics and advanced maneuvering, quite handy in a knife fight if your into the whole stick and rudder gig.  Kind of critical to have that sensory input to make accurate judgements of energy states in relation to your opponent.  Overall more equal to what a pilot would experience, be a pretty big handicap putting a horse blinder on him, he more than likely wouldn't participate.

Good points, those.

But about what a (non-modern) pilot would experience - I don't remember if I read on this forum or another - someone with experience wearing vintage gear stating that their goggles restricted FoV as well, not too different than some VR headsets. I have no real-life experience in that area. What do you think?

[HunDread]

9 hours ago, unlikely_spider said:

Good points, those.

But about what a (non-modern) pilot would experience - I don't remember if I read on this forum or another - someone with experience wearing vintage gear stating that their goggles restricted FoV as well, not too different than some VR headsets. I have no real-life experience in that area. What do you think?

 

Without looking up anything I can't imagine they were stupid enough to use gear that restricts their FOV. It was not a techological impossibility to create a goggle with wide view.

[=IRFC=NakedSquirrel]

I received my G2 just a few days ago.  My G1 died on me due to an issue with the cord connection.  (Luckily I had an insurance plan on it, so I wasn't out the $$ ?)

 

I'm not sure the upgrade from a G1 to G2 is justifiable considering the price.  Both have a resolution that pretty much removes the screen door effect.

 

The big upgrade I notice with the G2 is that that the color/contrast is a lot better.  The image is much more vibrant than the G1, and I find it a little easier to pick out contacts because of this.   

 

I also like being able to change the IPD.  The slider, along with the increased "Sweet spot" make the headset much more comfortable.  I don't find myself reaching up to adjust it on my head as much as I did with my G1 or the HTC Vive.

 

The outside the ear headphones are nice, but nothing mind blowing.

 

The supposedly "small FOV" doesn't bother me.  I have never noticed a big difference in FOV between any of the headsets I've tried (Vive/G1/G2).  Wearing the headset is like wearing goggles, which makes Flying Circus more immersive I suppose?  ?  

 

The upgrade from a G1 is definitely nice, but I can't for sure say it is another 600$ worth of nice if you're just doing sims.

 

The kicker I guess would be if you also do room scale, because the controllers and tracking are far better than G1 (With the caveat most room scale games haven't programed for the new controllers, so you have to modify the profiles on your own.)

[SCG_motoadve]

I was just going to cancel my G2 order (Have the G1) but order already shipped.

Will probably keep the G2 and sell the G1 which was replaced just a month ago.

 

How does the G2 runs compared to the G1? 

[Varibraun]

Going from the G1 to the G2, I waited to weigh in here until I finally had my G2 VR prescription lenses and then had enough time to adjust settings to compare.  Bottom line - I agree with everything @NakedSquirrel details above. 

 

However, the ability in SP to hit the 100% Steam VR SS (3164x3096) with the forced motion smoothing @ 45fps (2080TI) on the G2 as has been described by @dburne, @JG51-Hetzer, @unlikely_spider and others, was the real "WOW!" moment for me in comparing to my G1.  Open canopy, seeing the snow blowing across the runway while trying to hold my approach in a heavy crosswind was just one of those small moments that made really glad I made the upgrade.  So, I am happy to report that it was definitely worth it for me.