Big Navi leak? Possibly 2500mhz?

[Confused_2018]

There are a few youtubers quoting this "leak".  Looks promising?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxYd9Xy0I48

Edited September 27, 2020 by Confused_2018

[Jaws2002]

Some youtubers are saying AMD may land a 16 GB card with traditional gaming rasterization performance betwen 3080 and 3090, but weaker at ray tracing.

 If they can manage that, they will move a boat load of them. 

 Exciting times. 

Can't wait to see the reviews and benchmarks.

 My last Radeon was made in Canada, back when ATI was a Canadian Company. 

 After the dirty tricks pulled by Nvidia with this last two series, i may buy an AMD card just to give Nvidia the finger.

 

Edited September 28, 2020 by Jaws2002

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

And let's not forget pricing vs performance. If the RDNA2 can get even close to 3080, within a few %, and price is less then AMD will be tempting for many. If you get 5-10fps difference but cost say 150-200 less then the choice would we easy, at least for me. 

 

Anyways this fall will be interesting with a lot of new hardware coming out regardless which brand you like. 

[Gambit21]

I have the $$$ ready but I’m going to wait as long as possible. 1080 @4k is working just fine with IL2 albeit I have to keep clouds at medium.

 

Right now the 3070 is the sweet spot but I’ll wait and see about AMD.

 

Running an overclocked Rhyzen 1700 right now and I’ve been nothing but happy with it - so next CPU will be AMD for sure. Just need to decide which one.

[Voyager]

@Gambit21 I've heard solid arguments that for nVidia, the 3080 is the real sweet spot right now, due to the massive bandwidth improvement that GDDR6X brings to the table. 

 

 

 

 

On the 2.5 Ghz RDNA2 rumor, it would not surprise me. We already know that the PS5 RDNA2 chip runs at 2.23 Ghz, and I recall that Cearny as Sony had mentioned that it was because they started seeing logic problems above that, not because of the silicon itself being unable. If AMD has gotten the timing problems resolved, then a 2.5 Ghz chip would be reasonable. 

 

At the moment, given there are new CPUs coming out, and no GPUs available to buy (and it turns out you don't want to buy most of the launch cards anywas), I'm going to be waiting to see what the RDNA2 reviews show. I think I'll probably end up going for a 3080 10Gb, largely because I'm expecting the nVidia drivers to play nicer with my multi-monitor setup, but a significant price/performance difference could easily push me either way. 

[IckyATLAS]

On 9/29/2020 at 7:03 AM, LLv34_Flanker said:

And let's not forget pricing vs performance. If the RDNA2 can get even close to 3080, within a few %, and price is less then AMD will be tempting for many. If you get 5-10fps difference but cost say 150-200 less then the choice would we easy, at least for me. 

 

If you are in the 50-60 fps average then an additional 10 fps is a major step in visual and play quality worth a certain additional cost. If you are over 100 fps average then 10 fps more or less will have a less noticeable impact hence the cost will become the main driver.

For fast moving planes or scenes the faster the better, and if the refresh rate of your screen can cope with higher frequencies then even better.

 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

@IckyATLAS I get now over 100fps solid on 3440x1440 in BoX. So I guess the situation will only get better with alleged 6900XT, coupled with the new Zen3 processors. Prices of nVidia have already crept up due shortage and bots sweeping clean every stock. 

[RedKestrel]

On 9/29/2020 at 1:03 AM, LLv34_Flanker said:

S! 

 

And let's not forget pricing vs performance. If the RDNA2 can get even close to 3080, within a few %, and price is less then AMD will be tempting for many. If you get 5-10fps difference but cost say 150-200 less then the choice would we easy, at least for me. 

 

Anyways this fall will be interesting with a lot of new hardware coming out regardless which brand you like. 

Also, if the AMD offerings are more efficient on power, people might avoid upgrading their PSU and save even more cash. 

[robbiec]

The current high end for IL2 is an Intel i9 + RTX 3080, I9 @ 5Ghz + is probably nudging 200W, a 3080 with sorted caps is probably doing 300W, add in 100W for peripherals (drives, memory, fans, aio or pump) so you're looking at an 850W psu minimum. Pop over the the AMD side mid Nov and you have a R9 5900x, 6900XT and it will be 150W using PBO, 250W for big Navi and throw in 100W again for sundries so you'll probably get away with a 750W psu. Fun times. 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

I will look at performance vs money invested. If my now sold rig could run IL-2 Sturmovik at over 100fps solid, while being considerably cheaper than nVidia/Intel offerings, I take that as a very good bang for the buck. 

 

Now that I am seriously looking into VR, with HP Reverb G2 in the horizon, I will for sure check out the new hardware to get best bang for the buck there as well. Without sacrificing visual didelity too much, of course. 

[Confused_2018]

Moor's Law Speculation re Big Navi

Skip to 3:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJHnaxZdeEk

[Jaws2002]

Surprise, surprise!

 New benchmarks leaks of 6800XT and 6900xt are starting to show up online and the results are nothing short of impressive!

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6800xt-alleged-3dmark-scores-hit-the-web

 

 

https://www.igorslab.de/en/3dmark-in-ultra-hd-benchmarks-the-rx-6800xt-without-and-with-raytracing/

 

 

 

Looks like in Ray tracing apps the new AMD cards are slightly above 2080Ti level, but in tests without ray tracing AMD cards are beating both, the 3080 and 3090. The biggest performance advantage is shown in DX11 benchmarks.

 This explains why NVIDIA canceled the 20GB and 16GB cards.

Edited October 23, 2020 by Jaws2002

[grcurmudgeon]

Well, maybe this generation will be the one that forces me to overlook my stability / driver issue history with AMD/ATI and give them a shot again...

[Jaws2002]

More juicy leaks for the Big Navi.

 Aleged Engeneering samples of Asus Strix 6800 XT are boosting above 2500MHz.

https://wccftech.com/asus-rog-strix-radeon-rx-6800-xt-amd-big-navi-gpu-boosts-beyond-2-5-ghz-290w-tgp/

 

 

Patrick Schur

 

@patrickschur_

 

Navi 21 XT (ASUS Strix) - Engineering Board [3DMark11] System 1

  Avg: 2291 MHz

  Median: 2373 MHz

  Max: 2556 MHz

 

System 2

  Avg: 2289 MHz

  Median: 2301 MHz

  Max: 2394MHz

 

System 3

  Avg: 2092 MHz

  Median: 2320 MHz

  Max: 2489 MHz

 

TGP: 289 W

MCLK: 1000 MHz Max = Peak 1/2

 

Here are some more details about System 1. You can see that the clock was more than 85 % of the time ≥ 2300 MHz.

≥ 2500 MHz (10.28 %)

2400 ≤ x < 2500 MHz (24.46 %)

2300 ≤ x < 2400 MHz (50.49 %)

2200 ≤ x < 2300 MHz (3.64 %)

2100 ≤ x < 2200 MHz (1.38 %)

 

< 2100 MHz (9.75 %)

 

  Remember, this are 6800xt cards.

  The top card in AMD's stack, the 6900xt, at launch, is reserved for AMD alone. Similar to the "Founders Edition". Board partners don't have access to it right the way.

 

Again, this are leaks so take them with salt...a lot of salt.?

 

I may end up with my first " All Red" computer this time.?

Edited October 25, 2020 by Jaws2002

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Given that IL-2 doesn't have Raytracing nor DLSS, pure rasterized performance seems to be most important. And the leaks of Igor were clear on team Red's 6800XT's superiority in this regard.

[Jaws2002]

We'll find out soon enough.

AMD will have a live streaming event tomorow at noon Eastern time.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/LisaSu/status/1320852802067963907

[Jaws2002]

You can watch the unveil live here, right now:

 

 

[Jaws2002]

Wow!

6800XT offers 3080 level performance, 60% more memory at lower power, and will come at a price of $649USD.

6800 beats the 2080ti in practically all titles shown and will sell for $550USD.

 

The 6900XT is the 80CU, full die RDNA2, comes with 16GB of ram. It beats the 3090 in most of the titles shown, uses less power and will sell for $999USD.

The 6800 and 6800XT will come to market on November 18 and the big Navi, 6900XT will be released on December 8th.

 

This explains why Nvidia cancelled their planned 20gb 3080 and 16gb 3070, and are now scrambling to make TI versions. They had no hope of competing.

 

Other interesting points.

The infinity cache is a reality. These cards come with 128MB of very fast cache to boost the memory bandwith, without the need for a very wide bus. 

 They will also introduce a feature to speed up gaming when the user has both AMD GPU and CPU (Zen3), by using the fast GPU cache/Memory to speed up the CPU.

Edited October 28, 2020 by Jaws2002

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Jaws2002 said:

Wow!

6800XT offers 3080 level performance, 60% more memory at lower power, and will come at a price of $649USD.

 

 

That might be my baby right there.

[RedKestrel]

1 hour ago, Jaws2002 said:

Wow!

6800XT offers 3080 level performance, 60% more memory at lower power, and will come at a price of $649USD.

6800 beats the 2080ti in practically all titles shown and will sell for $550USD.

 

The 6900XT is the 80CU, full die RDNA2, comes with 16GB of ram. It beats the 3090 in most of the titles shown, uses less power and will sell for $999USD.

The 6800 and 6800XT will come to market on November 18 and the big Navi, 6900XT will be released on December 8th.

 

This explains why Nvidia cancelled their planned 20gb 3080 and 16gb 3070, and are now scrambling to make TI versions. They had no hope of competing.

 

Other interesting points.

The infinity cache is a reality. These cards come with 128MB of very fast cache to boost the memory bandwith, without the need for a very wide bus. 

 They will also introduce a feature to speed up gaming when the user has both AMD GPU and CPU (Zen3), by using the fast GPU cache/Memory to speed up the CPU.

Do we know anything about a hypothetical 6700 or something similar for the budget-minded? Presumably those will come much later in the cycle. 

[Jaws2002]

Nothing announced yet about 6700, but it's a given this architecture will be used to fill out the stack. 

[grcurmudgeon]

6800 is same speed as a 3070 with more RAM for $50 more? That card at $500 I may be buying, but now I'll see what's going on with the 3070 tomorrow?

[jollyjack]

Someday perhaps there will be a ti version, i'll wait a while, as my good old dad used to say '"you can always dance, albeit not with the bride".

Edited October 28, 2020 by jollyjack

[kestrel79]

That is a nice looking card with a lot of RAM nice! I'll wait until I see VR benchmarks but good to see some competition once again!

[Jaws2002]

Another interesting image showing the difference in size between amd and Nvidia cards.

 

Edited October 28, 2020 by Jaws2002

[Ribbon]

19 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

Another interesting image showing the difference in size between amd and Nvidia cards.

 

Size doesn't matter! - Every guy ever-

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Sooo... I'm really thrilled.

 

But still sceptical - the benchmarks shown of the 6900X are in combination with a Ryzen 3 and the memory directly addressed - which needs to be implemented by the Devs of a game, according to Linus Tech Tipps. 

 

I wonder if that'll make its way into IL-2.

 

Still, even then without that feature, the card is probably still very close on the heels of the 3090 in IL-2. For $500 less. What can go wrong?

 

 

If they show to be awesome in VR/IL-2, I'll be on a Zen3 5900X with a Radeon 6900XT by the end of the year.

Edited October 28, 2020 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[Voyager]

One thing I will caution people about is that the 6900 XT results were only shown with their auto-overclock and Zen 3 only direct memory access mode enabled. So, to get that performance, you will need a Ryzen 5000 CPU. Since we don't know how Zen 3 performs with Il-2, we may end up not getting that level of performance. 

 

That said, I'm very interested in how they will perform. 

 

Addendum @SCG_Fenris_Wolf I had missed that the direct access required developer implementation. I'd thought they were talking only about their DLSS equivalent, but will double check. 

Edited October 28, 2020 by Voyager

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

@Voyager It was mentioned by Linus in his new video on the reveal. I know as much as you right now. Yeah, it'll be incredibly interesting on how they'll perform.

 

 

Ultimately... if IL-2 finally went to today's standard and ports to DX12... now that'd be celebration. I'd even pay directly for an engine upgrade, after BoN. We'd all benefit and they remain competitive. Kickstarter?

Edited October 28, 2020 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

Watched the reveal and looked very promising. A Zen3 Ryzen CPU with a 6900XT slapped on a X570 mobo looks like one mighty setup. And having a card competing with 3090, with quite a lower price. Just wow! 

 

For a change an exiting fall regarding hardware reveals. Good times for enthusiasts. 

[Voyager]

@SCG_Fenris_Wolf So according to anandtech, it looks like there is some automatic lift, but specific coding can cause more lift: (look for the section on Smart Memory Access) 

 

RDNA2 At A High Level: Ray Tracing, Infinity Cache, & A Whole Lot of Clockspeed - AMD Reveals The Radeon RX 6000 Series: RDNA2 Starts At The High-End, Coming November 18th
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16202/amd-reveals-the-radeon-rx-6000-series-rdna2-starts-at-the-highend-coming-november-18th/2

 

So depending on how much memory transfer there actually is, we might see some improvements, and we might not. 

 

Depending on how they stack up in the independent benchmarks, I'm thinking I'll probably end up going with one and a Zen 3 CPU and have to do some benchmarks with them both. Probably need to figure out how to put together a test suite for it. 

[Confused_2018]

Well, it seems the MS has made it possible to port DX11 games over to DX12.

 

I do not know any of the Devs here, but, if this is possible, they had better get their butts into gear IMHO.

 

https://www.game-debate.com/news/28224/microsoft-has-made-it-easier-to-port-games-to-directx-12-with-open-source-layer

[robbiec]

Was thinking 5950X + 6900XT but looking closely at overall benches on display its like 10% max in games going 6800XT vs 6900XT and <5% for the 5900X vs 5950X for €700 saving or near enough a HP Reverb G2. Less of a wait too

[Jaws2002]

Board partners are starting to show their upcoming Radeon cards. Asus, Gigabyte, Saphire, Power Color, MSI, already announced some of their cards.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/AMD-Series

 

https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/consumer/21304-01-20g-radeon-rx-6800-xt-16g-gddr6

https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming-graphics-cards/asus-radeon-rx-6800-rx-6800-xt-rog-tuf-gaming/

Man, what an action packed hardware season.?

 

 

Cool stuf.

16 hours ago, robbiec said:

Was thinking 5950X + 6900XT but looking closely at overall benches on display its like 10% max in games going 6800XT vs 6900XT and <5% for the 5900X vs 5950X for €700 saving or near enough a HP Reverb G2. Less of a wait too

 

You have a very good point. Another good reason to go with 6800XT instead of 6900XT, is that you can buy a boosted 6800XT, made by the board partners, with better cooler and higher cloxk speed. 6900XT is going to be only made by AMD at launch.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Jaws2002

[robbiec]

I'll be getting a water block for the gpu so that's where it gets interesting / frustrating really quickly. If I get a ref card then it'll be reference design and EK, AC and Alpha cool will have blocks pretty soon but they boost to 2250 whereas the AIB's will boost higher it seems but may have a non ref design so harder to get a block for. Deffo fixed on a 6800XT though as best bang for buck. 

[Jaws2002]

Some of this AIB partners will release water cooled overclocked cards as well. Those will come with higher clocks/power limits and a water block. Just hook it to your  loop and you are good to go.

You may need to wait for those.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Jaws2002

[Gambit21]

Years of 3D rendering and gaming - still don’t get the wate cooling thing.

[dburne]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

Years of 3D rendering and gaming - still don’t get the wate cooling thing.

 

I used a Corsair H100i on my previous 4820k cpu, ran that one for 6 years and now am using the Corsair H150i Pro (360mm rad) on my i9 9900k. Will be a 2 years here in Jan.

Does a good job keeping my core temps reasonable with a good overclock. Plus they are pretty quiet also.

 

[Jaws2002]

AMD will allow AIB partners to make custom RX 6900XT cards.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-in-talks-with-aibs-to-allow-custom-radeon-rx-6900-xt-graphics-cards

 

Good decission. Partners will increase the power limit and overclock the crap out of it. If 6900XT doesn't beat the 3090 out of the box, with partner big coolers and overclock, they could take the top spot. 

 Everyone is saying that Asus releasing a watwr cooled Radeon and not a water cooled Ampere, is good indication that RDNA2 will overclock much better.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

I have a 3090FE in the shopping cart right now but I can't get myself to buy it. 1500€ is overpriced.