Nvidia teases a 21 day countdown to unveil or release of the RTX 3000

[sevenless]

Now that the release date of RTX 3070 is set to 29th october, big question is, will it be available ? Benchmarks look good. 2080TI performance for 500 EUR.

 

 

[Jade_Monkey]

I was excited about Ampere and even considering splurging on the 3090. Seeing how marginal the gaming improvements are over the 3080 despite doubling the cost and given the disastrous launch I am willing to give the 6900XT a chance and also give my wallet a break.

 

My concern is that IL2 had issues in the past (twice) with AMD drivers displaying artifacts and the devs confirming the issues came from the AMD drivers. I am hopeful they clean up their act a bit because I am truly tired of nvidia.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

42 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

My concern is that IL2 had issues in the past (twice) with AMD drivers displaying artifacts and the devs confirming the issues came from the AMD drivers. I am hopeful they clean up their act a bit because I am truly tired of nvidia.

 

As long as Nvidia has an overwhelming majority of the market, AMD users will probably continue to experience a greater proportion of driver-related issues. When games are developed and tested almost exclusively on Nvidia hardware, problems caused by unexpected driver behaviour are more likely to sneak through QA on the relatively rare AMD GPUs (whether or not AMD is at fault).

 

AMD can clean up its act, but it will still be at a disadvantage until more people get their hands on its GPUs. It's hard to play catch-up with the de facto standard in graphics drivers.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Mitthrawnuruodo

[grcurmudgeon]

I'm still wondering how much of the scarcity is bots snapping them up for inflated resale to the early adopters until the pipelines flesh out. That's one of my pet peeves these days, folks who buy with no intent of using, just reselling at an inflated price - sporting event and concert tickets, Amazon sales, computer hardware at early release, seems like these channels all need some fundamental fix.

 

But I digress. I'm overdue for an upgrade. My GTX970 manages to maintain 60FPS in career mode missions with normal settings, but I'd like to start cranking things up. I was eyeballing the 3070, maybe a 3080, but I can't find a 3080 to buy, and the 3070 is now delayed and who knows when it will be available, so I'm back to strongly considering a 2070 Super, the card I was looking at before the 3xxx announcements. Seems like I'd give up a bit of performance, but perhaps not very noticeable here in BoX unless I go VR? Decisions decisions.

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

41 minutes ago, grcurmudgeon said:

Seems like I'd give up a bit of performance, but perhaps not very noticeable here in BoX unless I go VR?

 

If you're just playing on a FHD monitor, all those cards are overkill. Something at the RTX 2060 tier would easily handle ultra settings. It would be a huge upgrade because the GTX 970 is really slow compared to recent mid-range GPUs.

 

Of course, this completely changes if you go to a higher resolution (such as a 4K monitor or VR device). I wouldn't buy an expensive card now without a clear need for it.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Mitthrawnuruodo

[grcurmudgeon]

6 minutes ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

 

If you're just playing on a FHD monitor, all those cards are overkill. Something at the RTX 2060 tier would easily handle ultra settings. It would be a huge upgrade because the GTX 970 is really slow compared to recent mid-range GPUs.

 

Of course, this completely changes if you go to a higher resolution (such as a 4K monitor or VR device). I wouldn't buy an expensive card now without a clear need for it.

 

I'm a tweener - Dell 3415UW running at 3440 x 1440. So not quite 4k, and not the res for the recent VR headsets, but definitely pushing noticeably more pixels than FHD. 2.5k instead of 4k?

Edited October 5, 2020 by grcurmudgeon

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

13 minutes ago, grcurmudgeon said:

Dell 3415UW running at 3440 x 1440. So not quite 4k, and not the res for the recent VR headsets, but definitely pushing noticeably more pixels than FHD. 2.5k instead of 4k?

 

In that case it’s a slightly more difficult situation. The 2070 S will perform very well, but it can be a painful decision when newer GPUs exist.

[Alonzo]

4 hours ago, grcurmudgeon said:

I'm still wondering how much of the scarcity is bots snapping them up for inflated resale to the early adopters until the pipelines flesh out. That's one of my pet peeves these days, folks who buy with no intent of using, just reselling at an inflated price - sporting event and concert tickets, Amazon sales, computer hardware at early release, seems like these channels all need some fundamental fix.

 

It's very strange to me that bots are allowed to continue. If you simply required a unique form of payment per item, a scalper needs 10 credit cards to buy 10 cards. Wouldn't stamp it out entirely but it would stop the one person buying 40+ cards. Same with delivery address, this is all mail order, why not limit deliveries to unique addresses? Yes, a scalper can still work around that but it's effort that would drastically cut down the large-scale abuses.

 

My conclusion is either that actually the companies selling these things have no capability to do this (remember, the whole world is bad at IT and computer systems) or that they don't care: if you clear out your whole channel you're still making money whether a scalper or a legitimate user buys it.

[Confused_2018]

Why should they bother blocking bots?  A sale is a sale is a sale. 

 

These cards would have cost some $$$ for them to purchase and the sooner  they see a return on their investment, the better for them.  The longer these cards stay sold out, well low supply + high demand = price increase which is more profit for them.

 

I *REALLY* hope that the AMD cards can give people an option.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Confused_2018

[Voyager]

I'm hoping the AMD cards are better at VR. From what I'm seeing, the 3080 gains most of it's performance from massive parallelism, but that doesn't seem to scale well in Dx11 titles. From what we're seeing on the AMD parts, it looks like they are going more for clock speed improvements.

 

There's going to be some parallelism improvement, but that's going from a 2560 shader part to a 5120 shader unit part rather than all the way up to a 8700 shaded chip seen on the 3080, but in AMDs case it looks like they are trying to clock them up to anywhere between 2.1-2.5Ghz. That may be advantageous in older games like this one. Or it may not. Time will tell. 

 

I do hope that it's a great card, and can put enough parts in play to saturate the scalpers. I'm in a decent enough position that I could sit out this generation of prices stay stupid. Though, that would be the end of playing VR for me for the next year or two. 

[LukeFF]

Nvidia is saying that supply of the 3080 will continue to be tight until after 2021 begins, so it's best to just be patient at this point.

[Gambit21]

On 10/5/2020 at 11:16 AM, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

 

In that case it’s a slightly more difficult situation. The 2070 S will perform very well, but it can be a painful decision when newer GPUs exist.

 

My moniter is 4K but 60hz.

My 1080 almost does it, but I have to turn clouds to medium to get 60 FPS.

 

Not sure the 3070 isn’t the right answer for me despite the above video. (and I’m building an entirely new system) but I can afford to wait it out.

On 10/1/2020 at 9:45 AM, Alonzo said:

 

SLI is dead, though. It was always hit or miss whether games supported it, 

 

Goung back to 1997 with the first iteration of it. I never bought into it, and I was heavily into 3D modeling/rendering until fairly recently.

 

I’m no stranger to my workstation/gaming rig screaming away at hours-long renders but water cooling and SLI have always seemed like unnecessary indulgences from where I sit.

[sevenless]

4 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Nvidia is saying that supply of the 3080 will continue to be tight until after 2021 begins, so it's best to just be patient at this point.

 

Yep

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugxwb48DaJO25gVAso54AaABCQ

 

 

Edited October 6, 2020 by sevenless

[IckyATLAS]

12 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Goung back to 1997 with the first iteration of it. I never bought into it, and I was heavily into 3D modeling/rendering until fairly recently.

 

I did go into SLI first with the 3dfx Vodoo cards and that was really a nearly perfect scaling at least with what I was doing at that time. 

I then did once again SLI with the IL2 pacific fighters with two Nvidia Geforce 4 or 5, I do not remember well cards but it was a failure as there were too many graphical glitches, and then never again. The problem generally speaking is that games were never really made to run on double triple or quadruple graphic card solutions, and so there awere always conflicts with the drivers.

It is completely understadable that these systems were too expensive for the average player, to justify developments that would benefit a very small number of players.

 

 

Edited October 7, 2020 by IckyATLAS

[grcurmudgeon]

Why do those benchmarks keep comparing the 30x0 cards to the 20x0 cards and not the 20x0 Super cards? I want to see the 2070 Super comparisons, not the 2070 comparisons. I get including the 2080 Ti, but...

[Jaws2002]

More fuel on the fire with this botched ampere launch.

MSI got caught selling RTX3080s at twice the price, on one of their Ebay stores, while thousands are waiting for their preordered cards.

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-accused-of-selling-geforce-rtx-3080-on-ebay-at-much-higher-price-releases-a-statement

[dburne]

41 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

More fuel on the fire with this botched ampere launch.

MSI got caught selling RTX3080s at twice the price, on one of their Ebay stores, while thousands are waiting for their preordered cards.

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-accused-of-selling-geforce-rtx-3080-on-ebay-at-much-higher-price-releases-a-statement

 

That is pretty low. Same as scalpers.

[sevenless]

Delivery situation with RTX 30series cards is abysmal. Translate with google. here from the danish shop Proshop.

 

https://www.proshop.dk/RTX-30series-overview

[Voyager]

@Jaws2002 @dburne It sounds like it was someone who shouldn't have had access to those cards was pulling them and selling them on the side. 

 

So it sounds like they had an insufficient internal controls system, rather than corporate doing bs, which makes sense, given no suit is going to risk the company's access to nVidia chips just to score ~$40k. That's the sort of thing that gets you defenestrated by the CEO, and the jury ruling no-convict based of grounds that 'you had it coming'. 

[dburne]

2 minutes ago, Voyager said:

@Jaws2002 @dburne It sounds like it was someone who shouldn't have had access to those cards was pulling them and selling them on the side. 

 

So it sounds like they had an insufficient internal controls system, rather than corporate doing bs, which makes sense, given no suit is going to risk the company's access to nVidia chips just to score ~$40k. That's the sort of thing that gets you defenestrated by the CEO, and the jury ruling no-convict based of grounds that 'you had it coming'. 

 

Yeah the scalper situation with these cards has been terrible.

 

EVGA is trying to help the community, they have instituted a reserve system so to speak.

Those that have clicked on Auto Notify for the card they want, now go into a que.  This goes by date of when one signed up for Auto Notify.

They are only selling their cards assigned to direct sells to those in the ques. So for those that signed up, when their time comes

they will get an email from EVGA that their card is available. Then they have a 8 hour window that card is reserved for them, to complete the purchase.

After 8 hours, the card goes back into inventory. The email address used for the auto notify must match the email address of the account holder.

 

I had signed up for Auto Notify on Oct 1 - wished I had done that sooner knowing what I know now.

So at least I know I am in the que for an RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra, no telling how long it might be though. I will wait patiently for my turn to come.

 

Big kudos to EVGA for doing this to try and help the community.

[Confused_2018]

A bit more in the MSI controversy.

 

Poor Steve an GN doing this at 3:00 am his time.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCVKdt-6Qz4

[Jaws2002]

Looks like Nvidia will bring out the 20GB version of the 3080 in december, together with the 16GB version of 3070.

Just a rumor for now, but there were a lot of leaks about this 20GB version by now.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-20gb-to-launch-in-december

Edited October 8, 2020 by Jaws2002

[dburne]

26 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

Looks like Nvidia will bring out the 20GB version of the 3080 in december, together with the 16GB version of 3070.

Just a rumor for now, but there were a lot of leaks about this 20GB version by now.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-20gb-to-launch-in-december

 

Well if my place in line for the EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra does not become available by then I might have a look.

 

[ZachariasX]

3 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

leaks about this 20GB version

If people only sold cards instead of leaking them.

[Charlo-VRde]

Yessss, a 16GB or 20 GB 3000 card is what I was hoping for. In my own tests in CombatBox running 4x MSAA on my Quest I am pretty much maxing out my aging Titan X’s 11GB’s of VRAM.

 

I really hope when my preordered Reverb G2 finally arrives that it will run at least at 30Hz on my Titan X with its 1.2 DisplayPort (the G2’s specs require DisplayPort 1.3 or higher). If it runs at 30 Hz on my Titan X, that would allow me the patience to wait until December or however long it may be to find an available 3000 series card with at least 12 GBs of VRAM.

[Gambit21]

On 10/4/2020 at 8:27 PM, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

 

As long as Nvidia has an overwhelming majority of the market, AMD users will probably continue to experience a greater proportion of driver-related issues. When games are developed and tested almost exclusively on Nvidia hardware, problems caused by unexpected driver behaviour are more likely to sneak through QA on the relatively rare AMD GPUs (whether or not AMD is at fault).

 

AMD can clean up its act, but it will still be at a disadvantage until more people get their hands on its GPUs. It's hard to play catch-up with the de facto standard in graphics drivers.

 

Something tells me this is going to change this time around, especially considering the X-Box using AMD GPU’s.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

17 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Something tells me this is going to change this time around, especially considering the X-Box using AMD GPU’s.

 

I'm not sure that the new consoles will have any significant effect. Consoles have used AMD/ATI GPUs since the Xbox 360 and PS4.

 

I think AMD needs a really competitive product line to expand the tiny 16 % AMD GPU user share (according to Steam hardware survey).

 

However, I would say that the entire AMD driver problem thing is a bit overblown.

[sevenless]

Hmm looks like Big Navi RX 6000 is more or less in the RTX 3070 ballpark. Now I´m really interested to see benchmarks once they both become available.

 

 

[Gambit21]

58 minutes ago, sevenless said:

Hmm looks like Big Navi RX 6000 is more or less in the RTX 3070 ballpark. Now I´m really interested to see benchmarks once they both become available.

 

Me too.

Since I’m running a 4K 60hz monitor, and already doing OK with a 1080 (have to run medium clouds) a 3090 is wasted on me, and maybe even 3080.

 

This might be my first all AMD (no Nvidia) build since my 1 GHz Athlon rig back when. Fine with me, I starting to hope that it shakes out that way. The Ryzen is already a given.

It’s nice being able to just sit back and wait.

[Alonzo]

16 hours ago, sevenless said:

Hmm looks like Big Navi RX 6000 is more or less in the RTX 3070 ballpark. Now I´m really interested to see benchmarks once they both become available.

 

It's actually better than that. For Gears 5 at 4K, the AMD number is 96% of the 3080. It's a 3080 competitor, it beats the 3070 handily. And that's rumored to not even be the top card, they may have a super-duper special edition that's even better.

[RedKestrel]

10 minutes ago, Alonzo said:

 

It's actually better than that. For Gears 5 at 4K, the AMD number is 96% of the 3080. It's a 3080 competitor, it beats the 3070 handily. And that's rumored to not even be the top card, they may have a super-duper special edition that's even better.

If they come in at a good price with a good stock then they will sell like hotcakes.
Heck, even if they charge the same price as a 3080 they can probably outsell them if they have them in stock. Better a GPU in hand than 2 in a warehouse somewhere.

[sevenless]

17 minutes ago, Alonzo said:

 

It's actually better than that. For Gears 5 at 4K, the AMD number is 96% of the 3080. It's a 3080 competitor, it beats the 3070 handily. And that's rumored to not even be the top card, they may have a super-duper special edition that's even better.

 

Well if they have something in the backhand, I wouldn´t mind. Competition is good for all of us in the long run. I guess in 4 weeks we might know more details once more independant benchmarks are published.

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, Alonzo said:

 

It's actually better than that. For Gears 5 at 4K, the AMD number is 96% of the 3080. It's a 3080 competitor, it beats the 3070 handily. And that's rumored to not even be the top card, they may have a super-duper special edition that's even better.

 

If the rumors like that turn out to be true, I am definitely going to be looking at buying an RX6000 instead of waiting for Nvidia to get its act together with the 3080's availability. 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

While the 3090 is just a curiosity and a top enthusiast card, the 3070/3080 will be the mainstream. And there it is where money is made, not by selling a few top end cards at ridiculous prices. 

 

As it looks, so far, that AMD can compete with nVidia's latest on more or less even field..that will be good for consumers if the pricing goes right. 

[Jaws2002]

I'm pretty sure AMD's card is going to take less power than Nvidia's and that will be a selling point for many people. 850W-1000W range power supplies were not that popular in the last few years and a lot of people would need to upgrade to keep a 3080 fed. 

 This insanely large coolers are a direct results of all that power turned to heat.

 This may be the most exciting graphics card season in a long time.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

Indeed. Feels like these releases from both brands actually are a leap forward. And pricing has dropped a bit too. 

[FoxbatRU]

I could not resist, I bought 3080. Good card. In 2k resolution with the maximum settings enabled in the game, it loads up to 99%. But since in 2k resolution, I don't see much difference between MCAAx4 and MCAAx8, I left MCAAx4. Then it is loaded by about 75%.

[Jaws2002]

1 hour ago, FoxbatRU said:

I could not resist, I bought 3080. Good card. In 2k resolution with the maximum settings enabled in the game, it loads up to 99%. But since in 2k resolution, I don't see much difference between MCAAx4 and MCAAx8, I left MCAAx4. Then it is loaded by about 75%.

Congrats! First 3080 in il-2.

[TheSNAFU]

I guess I’m surprised the game taxed a 3080 that much. In any case any feedback on FPS, smoothness, overall performance improvements along with system specs would be appreciated. 

[RedKestrel]

23 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

Congrats! First 3080 in il-2.

I think @SCG_Wulfe also got his hands on one for VR. I believe there is a thread on its performance.