DCS

[OrLoK]

sterile. agreed!

[CanadaOne]

I think it's only as sterile as you make it. It's a game and you have to play it in a way that you enjoy. For me it's a big sandbox full of cool airplanes. I like flightsims and there's nothing else that does what DCS does. I use it/play it with that in mind. One day I want some high-tech carrier action with an F-18, and the next day I want to hunt AAA in the desert with an A-10, and the next day I want to dogfight in a Mig-29, which I was doing last night and it's good fun.  Only DCS that let's you do this. 

 

DCS is a big box of really cool airplane LEGO. You do with it as you see fit. 

[DD_fruitbat]

Each to there own.

 

I've flown the first 2 missions in VR, and nothing I've ever done feels so much like actually flying a real mission in any flight simulator I've ever done.

 

For me, anyway.

Edited November 26, 2020 by DD_fruitbat

[CanadaOne]

Il2 is great, but it does a lot more hand holding than DCS. Unless you actually turn IL2 off and go farting around in a separate rather convoluted and time consuming program, you are stuck always flying other people's idea of what your flight should be. To me, that is sterile. 

 

For a sandbox flyer like me, DCS nails it. Not only are the planes really cool, and there are a ton of options, but every single flight is my flight! through the ME, fast and easy, a dozen flights in a row. I think "I want... this!", then I make it and fly it and adjust it and fly it again. The whole process is seamless. That's the ballgame for me.

[Robli]

I think that modern air combat is in reality also a lot more sterile compared to WWII. The world itself, however, looks a lot more sterile in Il2 Sturmovik, compared to DCS World, where you can see tankers, sailing boats, civilian traffic and that kind of life going on down there.

[SCG_OpticFlow]

15 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Raising the tone and smutty jokes are not mutually exclusive. The joy of Shakespeare is not in it being highbrow, but in it being human.

 

The point is that we flightsimheads... know things. 

 

Bought the Mig-29. That little bastard is fast. 

 

Probably my favorite module. Some smooth deadstick landing in the 29:

 

 

[Bremspropeller]

One of the grudges in DCS is the fidelity of the modules, which in turn makes it hard for 3rd party creators to shoot out more content. That in turn creates artificial set-ups and aircraft that don't "belong" together. I'd like to see a greater variety of MiG-21s for example. The Bis is nice, but just doesn't really does it for me. It lacks the lightfootedness of the earlier models.

 

Note the F-13 and PF would have been real sportscars (with nothing much to do for lack of gas and weaponry*. The mid-range models (e.g. PFM, M and MF) are also interesting, as they bring different sets of changes and improvements: Different canopies, pitot-booms, tailfeathers and drag-chutes. As well as SPS (BLC), different engines** and ejection-seats.

 

This is one thing that I adore about the upcoming Mirage F1***:

They're planning four different airplanes:

- F1CE (interceptor)

- F1BE (two-seat conversion trainer)

- F1EE (multirole aircraft)

- F1M (upgraded multirole aircraft)

 

The latter two have in-flight refuelling capabilities and the F1M at least should feature the Matra 530F Super SARH missile.

 

That is the way the MiG-21 should have been done IMHO. Four different modles with four different sets of capabilities - including a two-seater.

It would have told a story - similar to what they're doing with the F-14 as well.

 

___

* two pylons and a gas-bag under the fuselage; the PF even lacking a gun!

** the MiG-21M is a real turd!

*** apart from being an F1 in the first place

Edited November 26, 2020 by Bremspropeller

[CanadaOne]

14 minutes ago, OpticFlow said:

 

Probably my favorite module. Some smooth deadstick landing in the 29:

 

 

 

I was thinking of getting the F-16, but really happy I got the Mig-29 first and realized I don't really want/need the F-16. I kinda had all the bases covered, but was missing some lightweight fast-as-stink action. And the Mig-29 has that in spades! And the short range A2A capabilities are pretty cool. For $10 how can you go wrong? Better than $80 for the Viper and I already have all the spaceship stuff in the F-18.

[OrLoK]

43 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

I think it's only as sterile as you make it. It's a game and you have to play it in a way that you enjoy. For me it's a big sandbox full of cool airplanes. I like flightsims and there's nothing else that does what DCS does. I use it/play it with that in mind. One day I want some high-tech carrier action with an F-18, and the next day I want to hunt AAA in the desert with an A-10, and the next day I want to dogfight in a Mig-29, which I was doing last night and it's good fun.  Only DCS that let's you do this. 

 

DCS is a big box of really cool airplane LEGO. You do with it as you see fit. 

oh, i agree. I not saying that the game is poor (i was in a zoom meeting when i wrote that post so couldnt enlarge upon it.) just that , for me, and the emphasis must be on the "for me", the term "sterile" is one ive personally applied to DCS before so the post i repied too instantly rang true for me.

 

Again, by all standards I should be in DCS lots of the time, but there is (for me!  ) something that i cant quite put my finger on which stops me from using all those aircraft ive bought.

 

Il2 isnt perfect and i regularly fall in and out of love with it and get irritated that i cant press all the buttons etc but it seems to hold my personal interest more.

 

My brain isnt big and the only term that i can find for DCS is "sterile" whether accurate or not, there's this nebulous thing that is slightly 'off' compared to il2. Again, its me and not how id want others to think about it!

 

I *want* to like DCS more than I do. My wallet wants me to as well as ive got quite a lot of the franchise content and its a shame im not using/learning it more.

 

Just wanted to make myself a little more clear, as i hate  to see "this game sux!!!111!" style hit and run posts which mine might have been viewed as!

 

S!

Edited November 26, 2020 by OrLoK

[CanadaOne]

2 minutes ago, OrLoK said:

oh, i agree. I not saying that the game is poor (i was in a zoom meeting when i wrote that post so couldnt enlarge upon it.) just that , for me, and the emphasis must be on the "for me" the term "sterile" is one ive personally applied to DCS before so the post i repied too instantly rang true for me.

 

Again, by all standards I should be in DCS lots of the time, but there is (for me!  ) something that i cant quite put my finger on which stops me from using all those aircraft ive bought.

 

Il2 isnt perfect and i regularly fall in and out of love with it and get irritated that i cant press all the buttons etc but it seems to hold my personal interest more.

 

My brain isnt big and the only term that i can find for DCS is "sterile" whether accurate or not, there's this nebulous thing that is slightly 'off' compared to il2. Again, its me and not how id want others to think about it!

 

I *want* to like DCS more than I do. My wallet wants me to as well as ive got quite a lot of the franchise content and its a shame im not using/learning it more.

 

Just wanted to make myself a little more clear, as i hate  to see "this game sux!!!111!" style hit and run posts which mine might have been viewed as!

 

S!

 

Didn't take your post badly at all. All fair comments on your part.

 

I love IL2 but it has that one big fat glaring fault that just kills it for me - I can't make my own flights fast and easy. And it drives me bonkers, both that I can't do it and that nothing is being down to improve the situation. It's almost 2021, there are little children in African villages with their own particle accelerators, but I still have to shut down the game down and open a separate program just to put one stinky piece of AAA where I want it. And since that is wildly, massively, and egregiously unenjoyable, I don't do it. So I'm always stuck flying what the other guy thinks I want to/should fly. Which means I don't fly it. Which means 90% of my flightsim $$$ goes to DCS.

 

I would love, love, love to be able to just pop into an IL2 ME and, quick, fast and in a hurry, put twenty pieces of AAA around a bridge I particular despise, maybe a few trucks for fun, and then pop right into the flight a second later and blow the schmidt out of it all, and then jump right back into the ME and make it a little better, and then back to the flight a second after that. When IL2 lets me do that, I'll buy everything they sell.

[DD_fruitbat]

@CanadaOne

 

Have you tried using Vanders easy mission creator in il2?

 

IL2 Great Battles Easy Mission Generator - Easy Mission Generator by Vander - IL-2 Sturmovik Forum

 

Whilst not the same as going into the ME, it does allow you to quickly set up customised missions easily.

 

Oh, and the Mig 29 is fast...... for the 2 mins of fuel it has, lol?

 

Pretty sure i read somewhere that a full fidelity Mig 29 A is likely coming at some point as well. 

 

Edit found it,

 

 

I find it hard to fly the Flaming cliff planes now, miss being able to press stuff!

 

Edited November 26, 2020 by DD_fruitbat

[DD_Crash]

A bit OT but if 1C did a module that was just an easy to use mission builder I am sure it would sell very well

[CanadaOne]

9 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

@CanadaOne

 

Have you tried using Vanders easy mission creator in il2?

 

IL2 Great Battles Easy Mission Generator - Easy Mission Generator by Vander - IL-2 Sturmovik Forum

 

Whilst not the same as going into the ME, it does allow you to quickly set up customised missions easily.

 

Oh, and the Mig 29 is fast...... for the 2 mins of fuel it has, lol?

 

It's a great utility. He did a fabulous job with it. But it's still out of the game, and an in-game ME really is something that should be included with any decent flightsim. Not having one is ridiculous, especially when the sim is on it's sixth or seventh iteration. 

 

And yes that Mig-29 is fast. As soon as you look away from the HUD the thing goes rogue and hits 1000kph of its own volition. Love it. 

[DD_fruitbat]

2 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

It's a great utility. He did a fabulous job with it. But it's still out of the game, and an in-game ME really is something that should be included with any decent flightsim. Not having one is ridiculous, especially when the sim is on it's sixth or seventh iteration. 

 

And yes that Mig-29 is fast. As soon as you look away from the HUD the thing goes rogue and hits 1000kph of its own volition. Love it. 

 

F16's quicker ?

 

And has slightly more fuel ?

Edited November 26, 2020 by DD_fruitbat

[CanadaOne]

23 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

F16's quicker ?

 

And has slightly more fuel ?

 

$70 worth of quicker? I can buy a lot of fuel (beer) with that. 

 

Gonna save my DCS funds for the Mosquito. 

[DD_fruitbat]

16th of December hopefully.

[Guest deleted@83466]

My 2 cents, regarding the term "sterile", is that obviously not all modules are created equal.  The Heatblur products and a few others are alive with sounds and vibrations.  They stand above the rest in the ambience department.  I think that a couple of the in-house aircraft, like the Hornet and the Tiger II, leave something to be desired in comparison, but they are still -Great- modules.   I can't say enough about how much a Buttkicker paired with a driver like SimShaker can compensate for these perceived atmospeheric deficits and make these aircraft come alive, at least for me.

 

 

Edited November 26, 2020 by SeaSerpent

[CanadaOne]

5 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

My 2 cents, regarding the term "sterile", is that obviously not all modules are created equal. 

 

 

True dat!

 

I find the Harrier to be the most "alive". Obviously that has something to do with its ability to go from 500knots to a hover and back to 500knots... as well as a fabulous cockpit, gorgeous night vision, and a quality assortment of "Kaboom!" Some people cite it's unendingly unfinished status, but I find it's a plane that always gives you something to do. And it looks cool while doing it.

[Lusekofte]

I buy the Mosquito and the Corsair. I buy the Hind and Kiowa. 
But I think that is it. 
I regret:

F 5 good plane but no time flying it

F 16                    “

Mirage.              “

Viggen.              “

F18.                    “

Mig. 21 look aweful in VR

Spit do not like it

FW 190 do not like it

BF 109 do not like it

Planes I do not regret but do not fly

Gazelle

A10

Mig 15

Planes I fly most

Mi 8

yak 52

huey

SU 25 both

F 14

ka 50

P 47

 

I will not reccomend buying more than one plane for people that are new. Choose one module that has logistics like campaigns and are finnished as a first. Just to see if the concept fits

[HR_Zunzun]

On 11/26/2020 at 2:24 PM, Bremspropeller said:

One of the grudges in DCS is the fidelity of the modules, which in turn makes it hard for 3rd party creators to shoot out more content. That in turn creates artificial set-ups and aircraft that don't "belong" together. I'd like to see a greater variety of MiG-21s for example. The Bis is nice, but just doesn't really does it for me. It lacks the lightfootedness of the earlier models.

 

Note the F-13 and PF would have been real sportscars (with nothing much to do for lack of gas and weaponry*. The mid-range models (e.g. PFM, M and MF) are also interesting, as they bring diffe....

I am quite excited about this one too.

Being spanish obviously make it easier being it, but was seeing those french F1 scraping the desert at high speed aroused my interest on the plane. Then, what I read suggested that it may be quite a fun plane.

I also think that releasing all those version is quite a clever move.

Do not forget that some of them (I think are the M1s) wre acquired by a company flying agressor for the USAF. Do not know what changes have been made to them since then.

[CanadaOne]

14 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I buy the Mosquito and the Corsair. I buy the Hind and Kiowa. 
But I think that is it. 
I regret:

F 5 good plane but no time flying it

F 16                    “

Mirage.              “

Viggen.              “

F18.                    “

Mig. 21 look aweful in VR

Spit do not like it

FW 190 do not like it

BF 109 do not like it

Planes I do not regret but do not fly

Gazelle

A10

Mig 15

Planes I fly most

Mi 8

yak 52

huey

SU 25 both

F 14

ka 50

P 47

 

I will not reccomend buying more than one plane for people that are new. Choose one module that has logistics like campaigns and are finnished as a first. Just to see if the concept fits

 

Not sure I regret buying any of them, but then I bought everything on sale except for the A-10C II and the maps. But I think I got Normandy on sale. Returned it the first time I bought it, it looked and ran like garbage. The update really helped.

 

The way I see it, all my planes are just sitting there waiting for their particular moment. I don't fly the F-86 very often, for example, but maybe I'll see a documentary and there's an F-86 in it and that will spark an urge to take it out for a spin. Then you play with it for a while and park it. Same with all the planes. They are the LEGO pieces in my flightsim sandbox. More planes is better planes. Not buying the F-16 though, too much $$$, too close to the F-18 which I already have, and the Mig-29 for $10 is a suitable replacement.

 

But the Harrier has the undisputed title of being "my plane". At least until an F-104 comes along. 

[Lusekofte]

13 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

But the Harrier has the undisputed title of being "my plane". At least until an F-104 comes along. 

Forgot the harrier. I just dropped it when you told me it was more advanced in weaponry. I just not up for full fidelity weapon management. I am tired ? by stressful wargames. I hate ai coming in my way doing a task. I come to the conclusion that a fs 2020 with planes of no plastic is my thing. 
or choppers. Doing full fidelity plane management the old way. I simply get obnoxious getting in mp in GB or DCS 

I get annoyed by targetfixated ai in GB pissed at ai in DCS. 
FS 2020 do not suit me right now. Have not flown it in a month. I hope some day they get good ww2 bombers / Transporters.  
I do not claim any of the sims to be bad. They are all good in their own way

Edited November 28, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[CanadaOne]

4 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Forgot the harrier. I just dropped it when you told me it was more advanced in weaponry. I just not up for full fidelity weapon management. I am tired ? by stressful wargames. I hate ai coming in my way doing a task. I come to the conclusion that a fs 2020 with planes of no plastic is my thing. 
or choppers. Doing full fidelity plane management the old way. I simply get obnoxious getting in mp in GB or DCS 

I get annoyed by targetfixated ai in GB pissed at ai in DCS. 

 

The Harrier is the only plane I'm really willing to experience mental pain for. The other ones I use right up to the point where I find it to difficult and I just stay at that point. But each plane has it's own charm and I'm happy to fly them even if only in a limited way.

[DD_Arthur]

The Harrier in VR is absolutely sublime.  The cockpit really comes alive.

 

What I could really do with is an F16 - for MS2020!

[DD_fruitbat]

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

What I could really do with is an F16 - for MS2020!

 

+1000000

[ZachariasX]

Spoiler

I need the A2A B377 or the Connie.... and the Aerostar.

 

But as long as the SDK is not improved, there be no Accusim planes.

OT... but want that since you brought up the topic.

Edited November 28, 2020 by ZachariasX

[DD_fruitbat]

Actually thinking about it, I just want the MS 2020 clouds in DCS!!!!

[CanadaOne]

5 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

The Harrier in VR is absolutely sublime.  The cockpit really comes alive.

 

What I could really do with is an F16 - for MS2020!

 

Having some of the DCS planes in FS2020 would be amazing. I'd shell out some coin for that.

 

 

[Lusekofte]

22 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

The Harrier in VR is absolutely sublime.  The cockpit really comes alive.

 

What I could really do with is an F16 - for MS2020!

F 16 would have been great. 
Harrier will be tested on my next trip home. But for fs. I really like a ww 2 transporter ir bomber. Full fidelity on flight systems no weaponry. But sold my Honeycomb so for now only smallplanes

[Guest deleted@83466]

If I don't fly something for a few months, I always need a refresher, even if I felt I knew it well before.  That's why I keep going back to the Sabre, the Mig-15, and the F-5, because they are simple enough that you can get in and go.

 

I wish I liked the Razbam planes more.  I have the Harrier and the Mirage.  Honestly what turns me off, is that Razbam has some weird philosophy in which they simply don't provide obvious keybinds for routine stuff like tuning your radio freq up and down, setting your altimeter, tuning your heading bugs, etc.   Anyone who has ever flown in a squad and seen how the formation goes to s&*t when you do a frequency change and everyone has to take their hands of the stick to use their mouse instead of an up/down keybind might know what I mean.  (Very First World Problem, lol).  They are definitely still on my list to learn.

 

 

Edited November 30, 2020 by SeaSerpent

[CanadaOne]

7 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

If I don't fly something for a few months, I always need a refresher, even if I felt I knew it well before.  That's why I keep going back to the Sabre, the Mig-15, and the F-5, because they are simple enough that you can get in and go.

 

I wish I liked the Razbam planes more.  I have the Harrier and the Mirage.  Honestly what turns me off, is that Razbam has some weird philosophy in which they simply don't provide obvious keybinds for routine stuff like tuning your radio freq up and down, setting your altimeter, tuning your heading bugs, etc.   Anyone who has ever flown in a squad and seen how the formation goes to s&*t when you do a frequency change and everyone has to take their hands of the stick to use their mouse instead of an up/down keybind might know what I mean.  (Very First World Problem, lol).  They are definitely still on my list to learn.

 

 

 

Then allow me once again to pimp Voice Attack.  

 

It has made my flying much better (couldn't be worse) and much more enjoyable. In the Harrier, for example, when I want to put GBU coordinates from the map into the MFD, instead of "L-Alt + L-Shift + 8", I just say "Import" and it's done. In the A-10C, I just say "guns" and it arms the guns, changes the HUD, lowers my seat for a better view, and audibly responds "To BRRRRRRT or not to BRRRRRRT!, that is the question." Much more flying and much less typing and remembering. And when you're going from the Harrier to the A-10C to the F-18 and back, there's a lot of remembering to do.

 

I've cleared so much off my HOTAS with Voice Attack that I even have switches left over, whereas before it was packed and I needed more room. And it saved me solid cash because I was going to get a Warthog stick or a Stream Deck for the extra buttons, at $350 each. Voice Attack is $10. I can't imagine flying with it.

[CastorTroy]

Has anyone have experience, good or bad, about using an external trackpad for DCS, instead of a mouse, to use to click inside the cockpit. I found one on amazon for like 30 bucks I am going to try. What gives me the idea, is I wish my throttle had a trackpad built into it for such things. 

[Guest deleted@83466]

1 hour ago, CastorTroy said:

Has anyone have experience, good or bad, about using an external trackpad for DCS, instead of a mouse, to use to click inside the cockpit. I found one on amazon for like 30 bucks I am going to try. What gives me the idea, is I wish my throttle had a trackpad built into it for such things. 

 

I tried one.  I find it awkward to have to use the mouse when I'm trying to fly, and in a combat sim, possibly fly very aggressively,  so I thought that might make it less so.  In practice, I almost never ended up using it.   Maybe I didn't give enough of a chance, but it isn't installed anymore.  

[Gambit21]

No love for the F-15C?

I know it's not all full fidelity, but I'd think that would make it attractive.

Might be the first thing I do.

 

I have to say...I've got my eye on that Mud Hen (F-15E)

 

Right now I'm contemplating F-14 or F-18. My life simply will not allow both...and even one is a stretch.

F-14 get's me all nostalgic and it's just damn beautiful. However if it's closer to the F-15E as far as cockpit etc, might be the wiser choice.

The "sterile" remarks relative to the F-14 have me concerned a bit.

 

I say all this not having time for any of it right now of course.

Carrier ops has me fantasizing though.

 

Wait..the F-16 though.

I need help.

 

Back to the editor.

 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2020 by Gambit21

[CanadaOne]

You should have got the F-15 on sale for $10. I really like it. Fast as stink, great sound, and fun to land on those... well, you know.

 

I prefer the F-18 to the F-14. More of a modern spaceship, does everything, and better cockpit visibility. And it never stops getting updates and improvements.

[Gambit21]

Thanks - F-15 is cheap and a no brainer. 

I'll be getting that for sure when I eventually install DCS.

 

My end-game will be the Mud Hen...both it and the Hornet are McDonnel Douglas.

So if I put some time into the Hornet, the F-15E will be an easier to pick up I think.

[Tycoon]

50 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

 

Right now I'm contemplating F-14 or F-18. My life simply will not allow both...and even one is a stretch.

 

 

 

 

Trust me as far as full fidelity dcs is concerned if you don't have time for both you don't have time for one.

[Gambit21]

4 minutes ago, Tycoon said:

Trust me as far as full fidelity dcs is concerned if you don't have time for both you don't have time for one.

 

That doesn't really compute.

[Tycoon]

9 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

That doesn't really compute.

What I meant is you need unlimited time to get the most out of a module. Let alone two.

Edited December 3, 2020 by Tycoon

[Gambit21]

1 minute ago, Tycoon said:

What I meant is you need unlimited time to get the most out of a module.

 

Ahh...well unlimited time is never going to happen.

I see lots of guys flying DCS and I'm sure most of them have jobs, wives, pets, other hobbies and I'm betting they sleep.

I'll make it work...eventually.