DCS

[Legioneod]

46 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

You have to remember, this is early access. Things will change. All planes get tweaked during early access, but one thing i like about this P-47. Back on the old Ubizoo, we had the privilege to have a member who flew the p-47 during the war. Mr. Monroe Q, R.I.P. I even had the privilege to fly with and against him online.

 He said one thing about the P-47 that all games until now got wrong. He said that, when you throw the Jug in a turn, it turned. It didn't immediately drop a wing and go into a spin. He said the P-47 was very forgiving and it turned very well for such a big plane.

     This DCS Jug does turn very well. Things will be tweaked in the next few months, but overall I like it. 

I never understood why people seem to think the Jug couldn't turn or climb when in reality it could. It had an average sustained turn and climb but it could turn quite well when it had energy to bleed it also had an excellent zoom climb but I guess people want to believe it performed like a brick.

[Raven109]

We interrupt the usual program to bring you some news from the air war:

 

 

 

NOTE: the video was posted on the YT channel for DCS, so I'm guessing that it's showing the new damage model?

Edited June 4, 2020 by Raven109

[CanadaOne]

Steam finally released the map, grabbed it right away and though it's a hog to run, it's also flat out the nicest WWII map I've seen. I took a few Yak-52 flights in France, engaged in some tech-combat with my FPS because I only have 8GB RAM,  and FPS were in the 25 to 60 range. Gonna try the P-47 with the map. Not sure how the FPS will do between the plane and map, but we'll see. Just ordered 16GB of RAM, 8GB ain't cutting it. Considered 32GB, but maybe later in the summer.

 

But what a gorgeous map! Definitely settling in for some quality Channel hopping tonight. Headphones, cold beer, and some delicious eye candy.

[DD_fruitbat]

Well, of all the channel maps I've flown in various games, this is the first that has my village on it, lol. It also has by far the most realistic looking Dover by the way.

 

 

 

[Lusekofte]

 

2 hours ago, Legioneod said:

I never understood why people seem to think the Jug couldn't turn or climb when in reality it could. It had an average sustained turn and climb but it could turn quite well when it had energy to bleed it also had an excellent zoom climb but I guess people want to believe it performed like a brick.

I started to believe it was a brick in this forum. I was informed it was. But yet I read books and interviews of those flying it. They loved it. A show pilot in US calls it a brute. But again those transfering to P 51 mourned the loss of their beloved jug until they sat in the P 51 and then they where P 51 fanboys. I never been quite sure how good it performed in Europe. 
All I know it is hard to survive in it alone on servers

[DD_Arthur]

Cheer up P47 fans everywhere!

 

1 hour ago, DD_fruitbat said:

Well, of all the channel maps I've flown in various games, this is the first that has my village on it, lol. It also has by far the most realistic looking Dover by the way.

 

Hurry up with the vids then!

[Jade_Monkey]

Certainly tempted by the map and teh P-47 but I think I will wait.

There are some concerning reports on the map's performance especially in VR.

The plane seems to be well done and the FM more in line with people's expectations compared to IL2.

However,the DM and the sounds seem to be WIP. Also I feel like they went overboard with the wings' bumps, they should be a lot smoother. 

[LuftManu]

13 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Cheer up P47 fans everywhere!

I have several questions and my wallet is ready

[DD_fruitbat]

13 minutes ago, LF_Gallahad said:

I have several questions and my wallet is ready

 

Not just P47 fans...?

[DD_Arthur]

48 minutes ago, LF_Gallahad said:

I have several questions and my wallet is ready

 

They do look nice don't they?

 

 

[Taxman]

11 hours ago, DD_Crash said:

Not bad for $62

I have searched the DCS site for the WW11 Backer Rewards but cannot find it where to look? I backed at high enough $ amount that should receive P47 and the ME 262 I have everything else.

[dburne]

8 minutes ago, Taxman said:

I have searched the DCS site for the WW11 Backer Rewards but cannot find it where to look? I backed at high enough $ amount that should receive P47 and the ME 262 I have everything else.

 

I had to do a little digging myself to find it, sorry can't recall exactly where it was. Just keep searching.

 

Edit - Ok log onto the DCS store site, click on your profile.

On the left hand side you will see DCS WWII Backer Support.

Click on it and it will show you what is available for you to download.

Edited June 4, 2020 by dburne

[Taxman]

30 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

I had to do a little digging myself to find it, sorry can't recall exactly where it was. Just keep searching.

 

Edit - Ok log onto the DCS store site, click on your profile.

On the left hand side you will see DCS WWII Backer Support.

Click on it and it will show you what is available for you to download.

Thanks Don.  Ok got it and it shows up in my modules.  But when I go to install it like click on the install button nothing is happening.  When look at the module screen it shows the P47 and in the middle is a smaller screen which shows the P47 is ready to install click on OK or Clear that screen disappears, and when I click on the install button I'm kicked out to my start screen.

Checked the Task Manager and no install is running.  Going to shut down now and come back in a couple of hours and see what the problem is.

[CanadaOne]

Finally got off the phone and the texting with the family and hopped the Channel.

 

Holy ****! What a beautiful map. That's a sightseeing quality map... but with bombs. The colours, the sense of depth, the textures... gorgeous.

 

Not sure what kind of horsepower you'd need to run it with a whack of planes and AAA, but what a perfect setting.

[Legioneod]

Did some test with my friend vs P-51. The P-47 certainly doesn't outturn the P-51, it can stick with it until it losses it's speed but it can't outturn it. When the P-51 is WEP it can outturn the P-47. 47 just can't keep up and the 51 starts to gain. 

[Blooddawn1942]

The Thunderbolt definetly can take a punch.

Me after the encounter with a Flak38 heading back to base across the chanel. ?

 

 

Edited June 5, 2020 by Blooddawn1942

[9./JG27DefaultFace]

10 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

They do look nice don't they?

 

 

At the risk of being a bit cynical, this guy has been posting pictures of prototypes, renders and cool stories about his stuff for years and years on the ED forum.... A production run has been just around the corner for a long time. So while these do look pretty cool, Id be careful buying anything just yet.

Edited June 5, 2020 by 9./JG27DefaultFace

[SCG_OpticFlow]

This one looks much nicer

 

[dburne]

9 hours ago, Taxman said:

Thanks Don.  Ok got it and it shows up in my modules.  But when I go to install it like click on the install button nothing is happening.  When look at the module screen it shows the P47 and in the middle is a smaller screen which shows the P47 is ready to install click on OK or Clear that screen disappears, and when I click on the install button I'm kicked out to my start screen.

Checked the Task Manager and no install is running.  Going to shut down now and come back in a couple of hours and see what the problem is.

 

Hmm I don't know, after I selected it and started the game I was prompted to install it from the module manager.

[CanadaOne]

7 hours ago, Legioneod said:

Did some test with my friend vs P-51. The P-47 certainly doesn't outturn the P-51, it can stick with it until it losses it's speed but it can't outturn it. When the P-51 is WEP it can outturn the P-47. 47 just can't keep up and the 51 starts to gain. 

 

Maybe it's just me, but the P-51 puts a smaller dent in the FPS over the Channel map than the P-47. I guess that's to be expected.

 

Flew both last night, lots of fun.

[56RAF_Roblex]

11 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Certainly tempted by the map and teh P-47 but I think I will wait.

There are some concerning reports on the map's performance especially in VR.

The plane seems to be well done and the FM more in line with people's expectations compared to IL2.

However,the DM and the sounds seem to be WIP. Also I feel like they went overboard with the wings' bumps, they should be a lot smoother. 

 

I was tempted to buy the map after seeing a video of the area around Hawkinge and Dover but then I saw a review a few days back that showed several worrying things:-

 

Detling airfield is just a cut & paste of Abbeville and bears no relation to the real thing.

West Malling, a much more important airfield only a few miles away, does not exist and neither does Gravesend.  I do not know if they decided to cut off the detail West of Detling but they model the docks in the East End of London right down to sheds & flowers in the gardens of the nearby houses.

Eastchurch on the Isle Of Sheppey does not exist though it was not used a lot in the late war so maybe that is forgivable.   Same for Ramsgate.

Hornchurch is also missing and that was used a lot during the mid to late war.

[DD_Fenrir]

The data on Detling is erroneous; just flew from there and it looks nothing like Abbeville; Philstyle must have had a moment because I can assure you that what he references as Detling definitively isn't.

 

Hornchurch is not within map limits.

 

West Malling, Biggin Hill and a further 10 no. ALG are missing, however in other maps we have seen later updates incorporate additional airfields and further geography.

Edited June 5, 2020 by DD_Fenrir

[DD_Arthur]

35 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Maybe it's just me, but the P-51 puts a smaller dent in the FPS over the Channel map than the P-47. I guess that's to be expected.

 

Flew both last night, lots of fun.

Some planes in DCS certainly perform better than others in the game. Luckily, as far as I can see, the F14 is one of the better ones.

[CanadaOne]

19 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Some planes in DCS certainly perform better than others in the game. Luckily, as far as I can see, the F14 is one of the better ones.

 

Really? I'm surprised. I tried the demo and it's amazing eye candy, I thought it would hit hard. Haven't tried the F-18 or the Harrier with the Channel map yet, that will be tonight. Not that I put much observation into it, but I think the P-51 also did better than the Yak-52 on the map.

 

I'd put the super carrier on the Channel map but getting 2 FPS would just make me sad.

 

But I did land the P-47 on the carrier. Kind of. Broke the landing gear, but I didn't slide off the ship.

 

 

[RedKestrel]

9 hours ago, Legioneod said:

Did some test with my friend vs P-51. The P-47 certainly doesn't outturn the P-51, it can stick with it until it losses it's speed but it can't outturn it. When the P-51 is WEP it can outturn the P-47. 47 just can't keep up and the 51 starts to gain. 

That sounds much more reasonable in terms of performance. 

[56RAF_Roblex]

51 minutes ago, DD_Fenrir said:

The data on Detling is erroneous; just flew from there and it looks nothing like Abbeville; Philstyle must have had a moment because I can assure you that what he references as Detling definitively isn't.

 

Hornchurch is not within map limits.

 

West Malling, Biggin Hill and a further 10 no. ALG are missing, however in other maps we have seen later updates incorporate additional airfields and further geography.

 

Maybe Phil realised his error and forgot to remove that part as it does look very much like he was about to show both fields to demonstrate then just moved onto another subject. 

 

I would have thought Hornchurch was important enough to include as they do have details in other parts of Essex and Hornchurch is quite close to the Thames. Especially as they decided to put so much detail into the Isle Of Dogs which is way to the West of the Map.

[DD_Arthur]

14 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

Really? I'm surprised. I tried the demo and it's amazing eye candy, I thought it would hit hard.

 

It was a pleasant surprise but the F14 is a really smooth performer.  The Mig 19 is actually nearly on a par eye candy wise to the F14 in my opinion but game wise has much more of a lumpy, bumpy, slightly stuttery  performance. 

 

I've discovered that if you set the wind speed over the flight deck to something similar to that found in the atmosphere of Jupiter then the Mig 19 is carrier capable too! 

[DD_Fenrir]

2 hours ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

 

I would have thought Hornchurch was important enough to include as they do have details in other parts of Essex and Hornchurch is quite close to the Thames. Especially as they decided to put so much detail into the Isle Of Dogs which is way to the West of the Map.

 

Hornchurch is just a fraction too far North to make it within the map limits.

 

ED have expanded their Persian Gulf Map since it's initial EA release, expanding it's detailed area and adding airfields; there's a lot of reason to hope that the Channel Map will be dealt with similarly. 

[sevenless]

18 hours ago, Raven109 said:

so I'm guessing that it's showing the new damage model?

 

Yep looks like it. About time they change the DM. The B17s seem to be made out of balsa-wood. Hope the release will be in the not so distant future.

[Taxman]

7 hours ago, dburne said:

 

Hmm I don't know, after I selected it and started the game I was prompted to install it from the module manager.

Same here.  However when I click on the install button nothing happens unless I close the small screen in the middle which has "close" "cancel" "update" when I close the middle screen and click on install immediate close back to desk top no error message no log.   I have sent a ticket into DCS see what happens.  BTW all my other modules work.

[Legioneod]

7 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

That sounds much more reasonable in terms of performance. 

Yep, people were complaining in DCS chat that the P-47 was overperforming and outturning P-51s so me and my friend decided to test it out. If he's using full throttle but no WEP then I can manage to stick behind him but could never gain lead, my aircraft was on the verge of stalling though. When he uses WEP I can't keep with him he steadily starts to gain it takes some time though, not like a spitfire that can do it in 4 turns.

 

Turns are on par or slightly better than 190s (which coincides with 1st hand accounts I've read) but I still need to test this a bit more.

[Birdman]

Is there a list somewhere of what is still WIP on the P-47?

[AndyJWest]

The hazards of spending all your time flying from a carrier, part 1: this doesn't look like Nellis.

 

Slight navigational error.. Landed at  McCarran International. I think all the lights confused me. ? 

 

 

[Legioneod]

5 hours ago, Birdman said:

Is there a list somewhere of what is still WIP on the P-47?

I don't know if there's a full list but I know stall characteristics, overheating/engine model, and damage model are still wip.

 

Vid of my turn rate test from my post above. Sound sucks so just put it on mute, I'm not the best pilot but it shows the P-47 isn't really over performing imo. P-51 was also loaded with a bit too much fuel so that probably effected the test a bit, either way the P-51 is still better in the turn.

 

1:35 - 2:35 is with P-51 at max throttle but no WEP.

3:00 onward is P-51 at WEP.

 

 

[Lusekofte]

Finally tested the channelmap and P 47

it ran smooth with settings I had. 
1. I blew myself up 4 times swearing at the over accurate aa

2. fifth time I understood it was the bomb blast

3. I hate the covers on bomb arming buttons. [toggle bomb arm cover left wing]
3 buttons just to open cover. 6 if you use on off. 
map and plane is very nice. Control axis needed axis tweak , still felt a little like it hang in a rubberband

[gn728]

7 hours ago, Taxman said:

15 hours ago, dburne said:

Hmm I don't know, after I selected it and started the game I was prompted to install it from the module manager.

Same here.  However when I click on the install button nothing happens unless I close the small screen in the middle which has "close" "cancel" "update" when I close the middle screen and click on install immediate close back to desk top no error message no log.   I have sent a ticket into DCS see what happens.  BTW all my other modules work.

Well - I activated it today and I have nothing, no icon for it module manager - nothing on the main menu, license page confirms all good sooo.....?

[Birdman]

Tried the P-47:

Is the temp running away to 300+ a bug? Can't get it under control.

 

It is a very wobbly gun platform.

[Legioneod]

2 minutes ago, Birdman said:

Tried the P-47:

Is the temp running away to 300+ a bug? Can't get it under control.

 

It is a very wobbly gun platform.

Heat modeling is still wip. Yaw instability is pretty extreme so you really need to be coordinated, try putting a curve in you rudder axis. Once you get the rudder under control it goes exactly where you want it to go.

Edited June 6, 2020 by Legioneod

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

For what I could see on stream the cooling issue seems to be a similar thing how the A-8 was in IL-2 previously, if you open the cowling shutters signficantly the engine will be cool, but in level flight having them closed should grant sufficient cooling for the engine (that's how it was meant to be for most radial engines). In DCS they don't seem to open as much as in IL-2 and they don't cause the elevator airflow disruption.

@Legioneod In that video though you were at 56-57", without water injection, so that would be less than 2200HP (this is 56" with water) if portrayed correctly, a good bit less power than what it would have once the engine is finished with 65" + H20 for 2600 HP

Edited June 6, 2020 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[Legioneod]

18 minutes ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

For what I could see on stream the cooling issue seems to be a similar thing how the A-8 was in IL-2 previously, if you open the cowling shutters signficantly the engine will be cool, but in level flight having them closed should grant sufficient cooling for the engine (that's how it was meant to be for most radial engines). In DCS they don't seem to open as much as in IL-2 and they don't cause the elevator airflow disruption.

@Legioneod In that video though you were at 56-57", without water injection, so that would be less than 2200HP (this is 56" with water) if portrayed correctly, a good bit less power than what it would have once the engine is finished with 65" + H20 for 2600 HP

2300hp 56". I agree it's less power but I don't think it will improve the turn by all that much, it may allow me to keep it for longer but eventually the P-51 will still out turn me. Also I was around half on fuel and the 51 was a bit heavy due to fuel amount.

Edited June 6, 2020 by Legioneod