Discussion of the Battle of Normandy Announcement

[BMA_FlyingShark]

9 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

You mean yourself for example? the whiner who whines about whiners but who refuses to mention their nicknames?

 

Be serious now, and stop polluting the forums.

I don't see how I pollute the forums.
I was only agreeing with somebody who stood against the polluting of the forums.

Why would I mention nicknames, you can read the forum for yourself.

Have a nice day.

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Just now, Sgt_Joch said:

 

unless you want to do air starts or have a fictional island like in 1946, you need southern england so you have bases to take off from and land back on. 

 

That's Normandy map version 1 (early battle).

 

Normandy map version 2 is in the advanced battle stages, with aerodromes occupied by the allies in the continent. Correct?

[MercCrom175]

ya Bomber escorts where a big thing, and You need the airfields in England for that...  So good call

[EAF19_Marsh]

4 minutes ago, Rjel said:

You might mean that jokingly but there should be barges and small boar traffic to make the landscape more realistic.
 

While small boars might be tasty, small Boats would float better. ? 

 

100% serious! Nasty, flak-trap ones as well

[MercCrom175]

1 minute ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

That's Normandy map version 1 (early battle).

 

Normandy map version 2 is in the advanced battle stages, with aerodromes occupied by the allies in the continent. Correct?

It should be....

[DD_fruitbat]

1 minute ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

100% serious! Nasty, flak-trap ones as well

 

Flak trap boars...

 

Sound nasty, wouldn't want to meet one of those buggers in the woods!

[JtD]

I'm really, really looking forward to the Typhoon. To me it alone is worth the price of the entire pack. The twins like the Me410, Mosquito and even the AI B-26 are a very nice bonus.

 

But, tbh, the rest is a bit disappointing, the inclusion of yet another Jumo211 powered Ju88 instead of a BMW801 powered upgrade is a missed opportunity to me, the Bf109G-6 and Fw190A-6 fill gaps I don't really see as such. Can't say I care at all about the Ar234. I also don't see why a SpitfireXIV is more relevant than an early IX, but at least the early P-51 and P-47 are relevant to that stage of the war and very welcome. The P-47 will hopefully get a FM so that it actually is a P-47 and not something else that looks like one.

[Talon_]

15 hours ago, Legioneod said:

How big are the differences between the types? Is it significant performance/3d model difference or is it mostly in load-out?

 

Totally different 2-stage Merlins too

 

My spreadsheet of Mosquitos in 2TAF below:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13G1PzwX0ghkOOJBFWcangcCJW3K2cqj11kYNj5I7opE/edit?usp=sharing

1 minute ago, JtD said:

I also don't see why a SpitfireXIV is more relevant than an early IX

 

We're V-1 chasing.

[sevenless]

26 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

That's Normandy map version 1 (early battle).

 

Normandy map version 2 is in the advanced battle stages, with aerodromes occupied by the allies in the continent. Correct?

 

Yes. Version 2 comes into play when at D-Day +9-11 (Bazenville) 9th AF and 2nd TAF began to operate from advanced landing grounds on frech soil.

 

https://www.amazon.fr/50-aérodromes-pour-une-victoire/dp/2840483270

 

 

Edited November 28, 2019 by sevenless

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Is it really necessary to modify the map so that there are two distinct maps in the end? Dogfight/coop servers, and editor players, couldn't they Simply modify ground elements in one unique existing map so that they obtain one stage or another in the Battle chronology?

[MercCrom175]

if you look up Bunyap channel on youtube he does a great study session of the Canadians in Normandy and day to day flight operations and totally mapped out with google earth and other resources.

[DD_fruitbat]

2 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Is it really necessary to modify the map so that there are two distinct maps in the end? Dogfight/coop servers, and editor players, couldn't they Simply modify ground elements in one unique existing map so that they obtain one stage or another in the Battle chronology?

 Are you aware of how many airfields appeared after d day on the coast....

 

The answer is lots and lots....

 

Edited November 28, 2019 by DD_fruitbat

[Talisman]

1 minute ago, Talon_ said:

 

Totally different 2-stage Merlins too

 

My spreadsheet of Mosquitos in 2TAF below:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13G1PzwX0ghkOOJBFWcangcCJW3K2cqj11kYNj5I7opE/edit?usp=sharing

 

We're V-1 chasing.

 

Spitfire XIV also supported Normandy landings and was over Europe to prepare for D-Day and over the English Channel targeting FW 190 hit and run raids.

 

Operations over France and Holland from May 1944, first combat with FW 190 over English Channel May 1944, operations over France, Holland and Germany with 150 Octane fuel September and October 1944.

 

Happy landings,

 

56RAF_Talisman

[EAF19_Marsh]

11 minutes ago, Talon_ said:

We're V-1 chasing.

 

And, as with the Arado, it is a great addition to the Rhein map.

[CastorTroy]

38 minutes ago, MercCrom175 said:

if you look up Bunyap channel on youtube he does a great study session of the Canadians in Normandy and day to day flight operations and totally mapped out with google earth and other resources.

Bunyap has also made some excellent campaigns for the Normandy map in DCS. 

[busdriver]

1 hour ago, Talon_ said:

My spreadsheet of Mosquitos in 2TAF below:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13G1PzwX0ghkOOJBFWcangcCJW3K2cqj11kYNj5I7opE/edit?usp=sharing

 

Perhaps you might consider adding 464 Sqdn to the Mk VI column and perhaps deleting the Mk XVIII column. My sources don't show Tsetse versions in night fighter squadrons. I am only aware of them in Coastal Command's 248 Sqdn and 618 Sqdn.

 

[edit] And delete 4 Sqdn in the XVI column. They gave up their Mosquitos in May 44, leaving the 4 Sqdn an all PR Spitfire squadron. 

Edited November 28, 2019 by busdriver

[Talon_]

6 minutes ago, busdriver said:

 

Perhaps you might consider adding 464 Sqdn to the Mk VI column and perhaps deleting the Mk XVIII column. My sources don't show Tsetse versions in night fighter squadrons. I am only aware of them in Coastal Command's 248 Sqdn and 618 Sqdn.

 

[edit] And delete 4 Sqdn in the XVI column. They gave up their Mosquitos in May 44, leaving the 4 Sqdn an all PR Spitfire squadron. 

 

My sources are the three 2nd Tactical Air Force books, I can't check right now but this table draws from the book unit listings.

[deroxKG200]

and again no heavy bombers like b24, b17 - but we can get another wersion of FW or ME 109 - great!

[BOO]

Without wishing to come across as negative and having been stung once by a previous "most realistic ever ever ever" map of this area in another sim I really hope that some effort is made to represent some of the larger WW1 war cemeteries in the area (if they fall under the maps coverage) along with a bridge at Benouville that actually looks like the bridge at Benouville. I fully accept that I really have no right to 100% accuracy at the price I pay but including notable and/or important landmarks is something I think adds a good deal of authenticity to any map. 

 

Gliders in various states of disrepair as static gound objects and, as already mentioned, barges would be a dream as would a landscape and some built envirmonment that actually looked as if the RAF/RAAF/RCAF and USAAF took some part in the event in the run up to it and beyond.

 

 

 

 

[56RAF_Stickz]

23 minutes ago, busdriver said:

[edit] And delete 4 Sqdn in the XVI column. They gave up their Mosquitos in May 44, leaving the 4 Sqdn an all PR Spitfire squadron.

Whilst you are correct, but supplemented Oct 44 until Feb/mar 1045 they also flew PR Typhoon 1bs (no idea how many though).

[Motherbrain]

Since we kind of already have most of the planes you would need for D-day, I see this expansion as more of a good excuse to add some cool planes people might want like the Mosquito and the Blitz. I'd probably get BoN just for the Mosquito alone.

 

I see it as a $80 Mosquito... with some free maps and other planes thrown in. ?

Edited November 28, 2019 by Motherbrain

[onlyforbrian]

23 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

For those complaining about balance. One reason I chose Normandy and the Hurricane is because you can make mid-war scenarios that are not as slanted as the late-war was towards the Allies. But let's not pretend that the LW didn't have superior planes and a lot of good pilots for half the war. And quite frankly the late war was more of less equal as far as tech and even then the LW had some better stuff like the 262. We all know that we don't play our sim as it was in real-life where pilot training, spare parts, fuel shortages and numerical superiority affected operations. And as we build more planes we see how the Allies with simply more nations involved ganged up and killed Germany. I mean in hindsight, it seems madness to take on France, GB, USA and USSR almost entirely by yourself. Italy was knocked out early and didn't have the industrial might and Japan was on the other side of the world and in the end also didn't have the industrial might. Anyways, we can't always balance things as you may want, but if you take the entire war, our products on the whole are quite balanced as far as choices. Please look at our entire catalog, not just each product. And remember, war isn't fair.

 

Jason

Are we going to be able to reach London on the Normandy map? If we could, it would be cool to create some Blitz scenerios or campaigns, great for bombing runs in say, an He111. Also can you  give us the ability blend the primary 4 planes and secondary 4 planes into one 8 plane group? 

[sniperton]

28 minutes ago, Motherbrain said:

I see it as a $80 Mosquito... with some free maps and other planes thrown in. ?

C'mon, I'm not really enthusiastic about Normandy either, but there's a bit more in it, frankly. What the lufties get for their money (other than the Me-410 and the Arado) is another story. ?

Edited November 28, 2019 by sniperton

[onlyforbrian]

I don't care if it's period correct or not, I want to fly a Do17, even as a collector plane

2 minutes ago, sniperton said:

C'mon, I'm not really enthusiastic about Normandy either, but there's a bit more in it, frankly. What the lufties get for their money (other than the Me-410 and the V1) is another story. ?

It would be nice if we could reach London in the Normandy map, then we could make some Blitz campaigns

 

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

Well, I have already pre-purchased Normandy.

 

Now I hope someone believes this skin of P51 B. Thanks

 

 

Edited November 29, 2019 by 1/JSpan_Guerrero

[busdriver]

1 hour ago, 56RAF_Stickz said:

Whilst you are correct, but supplemented Oct 44 until Feb/mar 1045 they also flew PR Typhoon 1bs (no idea how many though).

 

Yep...I show that in Jeffords RAF Squadrons. I was simply borrowing the writing in Chaz Bowyer's Mosquito Squadrons of the Royal Air Force to explain 4 Sqdn was NOT equipped with Mosquitos.

1 hour ago, Talon_ said:

My sources are the three 2nd Tactical Air Force books, I can't check right now but this table draws from the book unit listings.

 

Understand. I'm simply using the sources above plus another dozen Mosquito sources. 

 

[edit] And the column for the Mk XVI should reflect that those were PR marks in PR squadrons.

Edited November 28, 2019 by busdriver

[BRADYS555]

I am of course excited about any new theater, or development, but I am also disappointed were not headed to the Pacific, or the CBI, since this means were likely not going to go there for another couple years... 

[smink1701]

17 minutes ago, 1/JSpan_Guerrero said:

Well, I have already pre-purchased Normandy.

 

Now I hope someone believes this sking of P51 B. Thanks

 

 

This is my favorite P51B.  My father had some classes with Don Gentile at the U of Maryland. 

[Sobilak]

33 minutes ago, 1/JSpan_Guerrero said:

Well, I have already pre-purchased Normandy.

 

Now I hope someone believes this sking of P51 B. Thanks

 

 

And will  has correct british mk II reflekctor gunsight

[jollyjack]

On 11/27/2019 at 5:25 PM, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

Did you get the Richard Burton mod?

 

No Liz?

[Habu]

I'm happy with the map and drop tank (i hope we would have a complex managment of the fuel tank), but I'm disappointed that the C47 is not controllable. He could have brought the gameplay that is missing compared to the German JU52.

[jollyjack]

On 11/26/2019 at 11:11 PM, namhee2 said:

I do not hope it's final with a bit of pressure, we should point out the right size

 

If the map has all of this would make Normandy a better buy. I'll buy it if i can fly a C47 over Paris and drop flyers over the Arc de Triomphe.

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

6 hours ago, Brano said:

How is battle of Falaise pocket, the pinnacle of all allied efforts in Normandy, going to be done, when map doesn't include Falaise itself? Map should extend at least to Alençon to the south.....ahhh...and then Paris would have to be included in SE corner of the map....or map will have to be cut at Dieppe...?

 That way or another, there is no Battle of Normandy without Falaise pocket.

I agree, the map does have to include Falaise, considering that the Falaise pocket is the definitive end of the Normandy campaign but does it have to include Paris? Do maps have to be square, Paris can be a "here be dragons" sort of thing.

I see what the Devs are doing with including so far northeast up the coast, this isn't so much a Normandy 1944 map, but also a Channel Battles 1939-1944 type of map.

Edited November 28, 2019 by =362nd_FS=RoflSeal

[ZachariasX]

6 minutes ago, jollyjack said:

 

If the map has all of this would make Normandy a better buy. I'll buy it if i can fly a C47 over Paris and drop flyers over the Arc de Triomphe.

That would be something. Recreating two of the largest cities in the world at the time for you being able to drop leaflets from a plane that is announced AI only over specific buildings. I hope you bought ten licenses of BoN.

[sevenless]

7 hours ago, Brano said:

How is battle of Falaise pocket, the pinnacle of all allied efforts in Normandy, going to be done, when map doesn't include Falaise itself? Map should extend at least to Alençon to the south.....ahhh...and then Paris would have to be included in SE corner of the map....or map will have to be cut at Dieppe...?

 That way or another, there is no Battle of Normandy without Falaise pocket.

 

The answer to that is right in front of you.

 

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

8 minutes ago, =362nd_FS=RoflSeal said:

Do maps have to be square, Paris can be a "here be dragons" sort of thing.

 

“Dragoons”

35 minutes ago, jollyjack said:

 

No Liz?

 

Alas not. But: a hole, is a hole, is a hole.

[Sublime]

4 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Is it really necessary to modify the map so that there are two distinct maps in the end? Dogfight/coop servers, and editor players, couldn't they Simply modify ground elements in one unique existing map so that they obtain one stage or another in the Battle chronology?

Im REALLY glad theyre doing this

One version pre invasion. All occupied. Different airfields, flak setups, etc

Post Invasion totally different ball game

different air fields. no more 2:1 raids for calais over normandy. and so on . I doubt itll take away much from development. the game timespan wont cover any winter.  BoBP, Stalingrad, had winter maps.  So look at this like no winter map, so we get a 2nd one for summer

4 hours ago, MercCrom175 said:

ya Bomber escorts where a big thing, and You need the airfields in England for that...  So good call

Of course... there arent many bombers to escort. not many from england, or at least going very far

this is my problem with NWE without 4 engine AI. the P51 D... was made for the 4 engines to escort.  the story of esorting those 4 engine bombers is really a good way to tell the entire story of the daylight campaign!  Same with drop tanks.. I think its cool theyre adding them, but I havent seen a plane yet that really would need drop tanks for any map in game. 

Especially not from the most prolific users i.e. USAAF and RAF

[BraveSirRobin]

10 hours ago, =VARP=Tvrdi said:

Now Im closer than ever to end my 30 yrs long sim career, sell all my flight gear and kiss goodybe to virtual flying.

I cant get the optimism here after the latest announcement.

Salute

 

 Thanks for your service! Hopefully someone will buy your equipment as soon as possible.

[Motherbrain]

I wonder how many different kinds of ships we will get.

 

Im kind of hopeing to see some different barrage balloons.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Motherbrain

[BB5000]

Scharnhorst, Gneisenau and Prinz Eugen ...”The Channel Dash”