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2 hours ago, MercCrom175 said:

Thats the problem everybody looks at this game as multiplayer only and have no wish for pilot ship


Not quite everyone...

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Sound business decision! Fact is - European Theater is where the money is! Good call guys :salute:

Now you can use the money make to fund your passion projects.:dance:

 

On a side note:

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...The pair took off into the gray skies at 0800. Priller's only orders to Wodarczyk were to stick close. They headed west at low altitude, spotting Spitfires above them as far east as Abbeville. Near Le Havre the duo climbed into the solid cloud bank. When they emerged, the ships of the largest assault landing in history were spread before their eyes. After a shouted "Good luck!" to Wodarczyk, Priller dove for the beach at 650 kph (400 mph). The British soldiers on Sword, the easternmost of the five landing beaches, jumped for cover as the two fighters roared overhead at fifty feet, their machine guns and cannon clattering. The fleet's antiaircraft guns opened fire with every gun that could track them, but the Focke-Wulfs flew through the barrage unscathed. After traversing the beach, the two pilots climbed for the clouds, honor satisfied. Their D-Day mission, the most famous in the history of the Geschwader thanks to Cornelius Ryan's book The Longest Day and the resulting movie, was over.

 

Stab./JG26, I./JG26, II./JG 26 were flying an even mix of the  Fw 190A-7  and Fw 190A-8s  in early June of '44. Also, III./JG 26 were flying the Bf 109G-6 Late (with an even mix of the /U4 variants). This is according to Donald Caldwell's JG 26 Top Guns of the Luftwaffe.

 

https://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg26.htm

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Maybe the dev team can add the Fw 190A-7 too? I for sure will buy them all - and buying them for my homie RudeRapotor (Merry Christmas Buddy!)

 

 

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4 hours ago, Mac_Messer said:

Kind of dissapointed about C47 being AI only

I had to read that part twice.  I too was overjoyed by seeing it mentioned. But my hart sunk reading ai stuff. But Jason explained it, he got too much demands from all sides to make everything happend. I guess ai is first step

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This is insane... we’re getting this plane set for Normandy.... plus the new collectors; hurricane and the two yaks.... 

these are good times!

 

also the new plane/cloud fix is very nice :)

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The D-day landings might be a bit "Dunkirk'y" (thankyou Mr Nolan) or to put it another way, a little anemic.  The vast invasion fleet might be represented by half a dozen boats.

 

I wonder if the same technology that is used for the towns and cities, on the present maps, could be used to populate the sea with a more impressive sense of scale and awesomeness, a floating city, made with boats and ships (and mulberries) instead of houses ?

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4 minutes ago, danielprates said:

Everyone saying they wont buy BoN, will for sure buy BoN. They are just temporarilly suffering from Non-PTO stress disorder (NPTOSD). It will heal on time.

 

Poor saps who got their radio-intelligence intercepts wrong... I can't help but to feel sympathy. I keep getting excited though...

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I was thinking...I notice that you haven't offered any 4 engine bombers, is it an issue with the game engine? Also looking at the plane list for BoN, we already have a Ju88 variant, why not make a Do17 instead?

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I think this is a good choice. A possibility to link to the other careers, a nice set of aircraft, a map that can cover fighting over a long period of the war. Definitely on my top 3 list. Will buy it after a while, not immediately

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2 minutes ago, onlyforbrian said:

I was thinking...I notice that you haven't offered any 4 engine bombers, is it an issue with the game engine? 

 

 

 

That has been covered at-nauseum elsewhere over quite a span of time now.

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1 minute ago, Gambit21 said:

 

 

That has been covered at-nauseum elsewhere over quite a span of time now.

I missed it, I don't live on here, so enlighten me, what was the reason?

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9 minutes ago, onlyforbrian said:

I was thinking...I notice that you haven't offered any 4 engine bombers, is it an issue with the game engine? Also looking at the plane list for BoN, we already have a Ju88 variant, why not make a Do17 instead?

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The A 6 suit Normandy. DO 17 do not. But I gladly buy DO 17 as collectorplane for use in early war scenario

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Oh yesssss!

Mk. XIV is by far my most favourite plane - that mighty Griffon power.

We just need Dakota flayble so allies has some transport plane (as Axis has tante Ju).

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Bringing the Spit XIV was a good move - better late than never. Can I get some support for the Fw 190A-7 instead of the A-6 (which was more late '42/early '43) :friends:

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5 minutes ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

The A 6 suit Normandy. DO 17 do not. But I gladly buy DO 17 as collectorplane for use in early war scenario

Yes, I'll bet it would sell big as a collector plane

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15 minutes ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

I had to read that part twice.  I too was overjoyed by seeing it mentioned. But my hart sunk reading ai stuff. But Jason explained it, he got too much demands from all sides to make everything happend. I guess ai is first step


Exactly. Let’s remember the B-25 was introduced as AI only but in the future that will not be so (with the intent all along to have it flyable). I have a very strong suspicion that they will model the C-47 in all its glory as they did the B-25 and it wouldn't be very long that it too would be flyable as the allies currently have no transports to jump into - or out of for that matter.

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Well I didn't expect that the next release would be Normandy.

It's quite a surprise and a good news for a French guy like me ... in addition my parents own a house just 20 km north from Utah and Omaha Beach.

I used to spend a lot of time there when I was a teenager; il will be such a pleasure to fly over places I know so well from the ground !

 

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1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

I should add - in case anyone hasn't - very cute and charming way of doing the announcement!

It was genius for marketting

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22 minutes ago, onlyforbrian said:

I was thinking...I notice that you haven't offered any 4 engine bombers, is it an issue with the game engine? Also looking at the plane list for BoN, we already have a Ju88 variant, why not make a Do17 instead?

 

 

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The planeset on this one is promising. Pre order done.
I hope that there will be major improvements to the game engine though. It just can't handle large battles. On any MP server making a coordinated attack of thirty aircraft on a single target causes enormous lagging. 
All previous theaters were mostly about tactical aerial operations. Small skirmishes between small groups of planes, across a large terrain during a long, steady campaign. Even Operation Bodenplatte was rather a simultaneous attack of smaller groups on numerous targets. Normandy is other story though. D-Day was a single, focused, large scale operation. With current engine, creating the invasion fleet, and the massive aerial operation that supported the landings will be impossible. Otherwise it will be basically eastern front type combat, just on western map with western planes. If the dev team wants to ever make it to the PTO, Normandy is the perfect, and the last chance to improve the engine when it comes to handling larger operations. Initially Kuban, with it's Black Sea shores, was supposed to be a testbed for naval aspects. It's nearly three years after it's announcement, over one and a half after it's release, and we still don't have any larger ships, torpedoes, depth charges etc. If BON won't make it, then we will probably never see PTO unless devs decide to scrap this engine and make one from scratch. Current one was made for WWI kites and it was 10 years ago after all.

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38 minutes ago, onlyforbrian said:

Would be nice to add a FLYABLE  B17,  B24,  Lancaster, and  B25,  for bomber raid battles

Even if AI only.  There were tens of thousands of these planes.  P51Ds existed to escort them far.  The story of daylight bombing is really the story of escort fighters or the lack thereof.

Fw190 sturm variants? For 4 engines. Me262s?  

Im shocked it took this long to get a damned C47 in!

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5 hours ago, pfrances said:

Inflation?

Inflation? That sounds totally made up! Next thing you know, the developers will want imaginary things like "Enough money to make rent" and "food".

Seriously though, this is 100% the correct answer. There's really no more justification required about project size or not, because everything else has gone up in price over the years and the dev salaries need to keep up so they can maintain their standard of living.

At the rate of inflation in my country, a game that cost $79.99 in 2014 would cost $86.79 in 2019 and more in 2020. Which is...wait for it...almost precisely what they are charging for the new game. Some countries (including Russia), inflation has been much worse. 

So if you bought Battle of Stalingrad premium for 79.99 back in 2014, you are paying  nearly the same price in terms of purchasing power for Battle of Normandy in 2019. Well, a couple bucks more for BoN maybe. And BoN has the same number of flyable planes as BoS and several AI-only things that will be very interesting, like the Buzz bomb. 

We are all just used to artificially cheap products, and I feel bad for people that have to defend charging more for their services when a simple understanding of basic economics tells you all you need to know.
 

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26 minutes ago, onlyforbrian said:

I was thinking...I notice that you haven't offered any 4 engine bombers, is it an issue with the game engine? Also looking at the plane list for BoN, we already have a Ju88 variant, why not make a Do17 instead?

 

It'd be nice to have for Moscow... there are other aircraft such as the Pe-3 and Fw-189 that were important for Moscow and Stalingrad though! So there is quite a bit of competition. Another aircraft for BoN could have been the 188...

 

P.S. The new 88 is a C variant used for train busting and intruder missions with 20mm cannon etc. So it is more like a long ranged competitor to the Bf-110 than it is like getting another bomber!

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You should change the title of the game to simply: Il-2 - The One With the Mosquito. That's all I need to know.

Guess I better get saving then  :)

 

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21 minutes ago, onlyforbrian said:

I missed it, I don't live on here, so enlighten me, what was the reason?

Takes almost as long to model a 4 engine bomber as several other aircraft, the number of AI gunners becomes problematic, and consequent performance drops, the engine has a hard time handling big enough formations already, and the truly big bombers woudl just stress that even more...etc. etc.

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I just bought some stuff to help the developers, but really what I am waiting for is the Pacific...🤷‍♂️

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8 minutes ago, Sublime said:

It was genius for marketting

I thought it was funny that as soon as people translated the weather report the mystery was over because so many people knew it by heart... We are all such nerds.

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Couldn't be more excited for this announcement!!!! Really stoked for the Razorback versions of the P-51 and P-47 as well as the Mossie.  Also glad to see the B-26 Marauder is finally getting some love in a WWII flight sim even if it just as AI.  Hopefully it'll eventually become a full fledged collector plane somewhere down the road.

 

My only gripe has already been mentioned by several, there really should be an AI B-17 or B-24, both of these are really needed to properly depict this theater of the war.    

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1 minute ago, RedKestrel said:

I thought it was funny that as soon as people translated the weather report the mystery was over because so many people knew it by heart... We are all such nerds.

I must be the only.person who didnt know wtf that weather report was. I was certain the entire thing was PTO.

but yes, I literally saw the msg board figure out it was Normandy sneaking looks at work.  And they did it in about 5 minutes.

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Had a look on the map.............................Normandy battle without Falaise ???😳 🙄

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5 minutes ago, CCG_Pips said:

Had a look on the map.............................Normandy battle without Falaise ???😳 🙄

I do not hope it's final with a bit of pressure, we should point out the right size

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17 minutes ago, CCG_Pips said:

Had a look on the map.............................Normandy battle without Falaise ???😳 🙄

 

We plan to have two versions of the map with Pre-Invasion and Post-Invasion versions.

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22 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

You should change the title of the game to simply: Il-2 - The One With the 410. That's all I need to know.

Guess I better get saving then  :)

 

fixed it for you ;)

 

aaaand... pre-ordered also looking forward to the 9T and Hurricane. Now that i know i‘m getting my 410 after all i‘m okay with it not being a collector plane xD

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Good luck to the Devs, but this is the wrong theater and wrong time period for me.  I will pick it all up during a deep sale, perhaps, but not at full-price pre-purchase.  I'll start supporting the team again when the team starts supporting me.  Have fun.

 

Ahhh, I read Jason's post encouraging preorders for the good of the genre and preordered anyway.  Dammit!

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Please, make a option for merge Normandy + and Rheinland maps together! 

B-17 and B-24 AI COLLETOR PLANES!

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3 hours ago, DN308 said:

Just a quick one if you don’t mind:

THAT IS ENORMOUS AND COOL!!!!!

 

But:

- WHEN??? ETA?

- I can’t see Paris on the map and it is finishing a few miles off my birth land east of Valenciennes... so sad...

I was also born near Valenciennes: Mortagne du Nord..... chalut bilout😁

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This looks really good to me.  As a primarily online player I'm really interested in the Mosquito and I hope it and the Spit 14 come out first.  I like these water maps that are much easier to navigate.  Pacific would be cool as well, in due time.

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37 minutes ago, Sublime said:

@busdriver i respect your opinions - so Im curious why the reaction?  your thoughts on the release?

 

The absence of four engine bombers is not a conspiracy, it is however a limitation of the game engine. This has been explained and discussed. 

 

 @Feathered_IV has captured my reaction perfectly...

 

38 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

You should change the title of the game to simply: Il-2 - The One With the Mosquito. That's all I need to know.

 

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