J2_Trupobaw Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 As opposed to having invisible planes around? Manual solutions are often that. On plus side, we don't need help from devs to implement them. There is plenty of Windows programs reminding office workers to stretch. I'm going to start using one for pistol reminder.
Cynic_Al Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, HagarTheHorrible said: All the game developers need to do, is Acknowledge this to be a critical flaw needing to be assigned absolute priority over all other work, even if it may mean recruiting. Otherwise eventually it is inevitable that the existence of the problem will be publicised and discussed in places over which they have no control. Were that to happen, it would not be hard to imagine the potential damage to the reputations both of the company and the user base that tolerates the issue. [Archived] 2
HagarTheHorrible Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 From what I understand, the bug has proved difficult to isolate and because of that has persisted for several years. It seems that firing guns de-cloaks the hidden aircraft, maybe, rather than just an event, it is specifically, a graphical event, that de-cloaks the aircraft. Maybe, if that is the case, if the FC aircraft made an exhaust plume, all of the time, like the WW 2 aircraft at full power, then that might solve the problem ? Without spending lot's more time trying to isolate the bug, it might just be a sticking plaster, but it's better than the possibility of seeing your life blood ooze away ?
HagarTheHorrible Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, US213_Talbot said: Puffs from bullet strikes also de-cloak. I’ll try and remember that, the next time I shoot at an invisible aircraft, that, for obvious reasons, I can’t see.
J5_Gamecock Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 Saw my first invisible DVIIF today. He was claiming to be "right on my 6"... I saw nothing. When I asked him to fire a short burst, he appeared. Right on my 6. His burst seemed as though it was in slow motion, looked like 30-40 rounds though he claimed only 4-5 rounds from each gun. I'm a believer.
HagarTheHorrible Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, J5_Gamecock said: His burst seemed as though it was in slow motion, looked like 30-40 rounds though he claimed only 4-5 rounds from each gun. I noticed that in my recorded track as well, slow motion and it seemed to go on well past trying to shoot at me.
No.23_Gaylion Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 42 minutes ago, J5_Gamecock said: I'm a believer. 1
J2_Bidu Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/10/2020 at 11:44 PM, J5_Gamecock said: Saw my first invisible DVIIF today. He was claiming to be "right on my 6"... I saw nothing. When I asked him to fire a short burst, he appeared. Right on my 6. His burst seemed as though it was in slow motion, looked like 30-40 rounds though he claimed only 4-5 rounds from each gun. I'm a believer. Nobody sees invisible things. That is by definition.
No.23_Gaylion Posted March 27, 2020 Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) Yet another instance of this. Videos to be posted soon. Three D7s all invisible. Has anyone checked and see if this bug exists with alt vis on? Fucking namby pamby game. Edited March 27, 2020 by US213_Talbot
US103_Baer Posted March 27, 2020 Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) Well here it is. Worst example we've seen. No suggestion of anything untoward from pilots involved, they're good guys from a top squad so lets rule that out straightaway. Three D7s appear one by one in the midst of our formation, as they shoot. Very disappointing this is the state of the game. A flight sim cannot have invisible planes, that's a given, surely. Edited March 27, 2020 by US103_Baer 1 1 1
JGr2/J5_Baeumer Posted March 27, 2020 Posted March 27, 2020 Invisible Spads over Front during Thursday Mission. Will post videos soon of invisible Entente planes. 1
No.23_Triggers Posted March 27, 2020 Author Posted March 27, 2020 42 minutes ago, J5_Baeumer said: Invisible Spads over Front during Thursday Mission. Will post videos soon of invisible Entente planes. Ok, great! Now we know at least that it's not D7-exclusive 1
ST_Catchov Posted March 27, 2020 Posted March 27, 2020 Ah good, Entente kites now included. So how does one go about getting an invisible Se5a? It might give me a fighting chance. Maybe. Nah, I'm dreaming. 2
No.23_Gaylion Posted March 27, 2020 Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) Remember, send your tracks to this fellow in this thread. I want to know if this happens during alt vis on mode. Edited March 27, 2020 by US213_Talbot
NO.20_W_M_Thomson Posted March 27, 2020 Posted March 27, 2020 The clouds don't help, I was escorting a Bristol ( yes we we're separated apart enough and no contact, never on a first date ) and when he flew beside (not in) he would flicker to the point of being invisible for a millisecond.
J2_Trupobaw Posted March 27, 2020 Posted March 27, 2020 I'd love to know the firewall settings affected people use. My Zone Alarm keeps failing to start since I have Discord, and I have the feeling the evenings I go invisible are the ones when I forget to start it manually and use default Windows firewall.
No.23_Gaylion Posted March 27, 2020 Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) I dont think that's it Trupo. I can see the planes outside of 10km, so they are there. Once they cross that threshold they disappear. It's this game. If it were that or a net code thing, youd never see them. Edited March 27, 2020 by US213_Talbot 1
No.23_Triggers Posted March 31, 2020 Author Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) GUNS COCKING WILL NOT ALWAYS FIX THIS ISSUE I was on TS with Adam and Loppnow(?) the other day (not flying, but they were) and I heard them trying to form up. Loppnow said he couldn't see Adam, but Adam said he was tight in formation. I told them not to do anything, and then told Adam to cock his guns - nothing. I then asked Adam to fire off a burst - and he appeared. Edited March 31, 2020 by US93_Larner 1
J2_Jakob Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 7 hours ago, US93_Larner said: GUNS COCKING WILL NOT ALWAYS FIX THIS ISSUE Yes, we tested this a few weeks ago. Cocking the guns did not de-cloak, only pistol/MG shots did.
J5_Adam Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, US93_Larner said: GUNS COCKING WILL NOT ALWAYS FIX THIS ISSUE I was on TS with Adam and Loppnow(?) the other day (not flying, but they were) and I heard them trying to form up. Loppnow said he couldn't see Adam, but Adam said he was tight in formation. I told them not to do anything, and then told Adam to cock his guns - nothing. I then asked Adam to fire off a burst - and he appeared. Loppnow was there but it was Mueller and myself in formation. When I looked back at the track, I could see both planes at all times. Edited March 31, 2020 by Adam
No.23_Gaylion Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 So what exactly did you guys do before all this? We need to recreate and test it.
Troutlaw Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Invisible Alb DV and invisible Fokker D7. We saw three contacts then only two when we got closer. Then the Alb and D7 materialized on my tail. Diving in on two albs. I got for left while wingman goes for right. Just attacked one while wingman was on the other. And seconds later a third appears. Then a fokker appears.
J5_Adam Posted April 2, 2020 Posted April 2, 2020 On 3/31/2020 at 2:08 PM, US213_Talbot said: So what exactly did you guys do before all this? We need to recreate and test it. Nothing. I rolled from the south field east of Cappy and rendezvoused with Mueller near the dogfight area. I don't know what map it was. The video was only to show that cocking guns did shit but that firing them made me appear to him. On my track I see both of us at all times. I don't know what Mueller saw on his track. I was using my Mikael Carlson DVIIF skin which Mueller did not have because he's too lazy to install it. He was using one of the J5 skins.
No.23_Triggers Posted April 3, 2020 Author Posted April 3, 2020 Two more tonight. Poor old 103rd got bounced by ANOTHER invisible D7(F?) Flight. Luckily this time the Hun's aim was off and everyone got out relatively unscathed. This is absolutely wrecking the game for us by this point, and some of our pilots are losing interest in FC - myself included... As a point of interest: After the first invisible bounce. I saw three high D7s, assumedly Fs from the alt, at far distance (I'd estimate outside of the 10km rendering bubble) As they came closer, one of them disappeared. We flew away from them, so they turned back. Once they were roughly outward of 10km away, the No.3 popped back in. The frequency of this is worrying, and we've started seeing it with other German planes too now (No.74 say they encountered an invisible alb and D7, and Talbot's seen at least one invisible Halby.) Some of the J5s say they've seen it happening with Ententes as well, but no video yet. I'm beginning to wonder when the server's full but I can't find a single enemy over the front...is there really nobody there or are we all invisible for each other...?
JG1_Butzzell Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 S! Larner. Definitely a concern. I thought my halb was completely invisible. How did you spot me? I did notice that Central won two maps in a row. ? Fighters make headlines. Bombers make history! 1
SeaW0lf Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, US93_Larner said: I'm beginning to wonder when the server's full but I can't find a single enemy over the front...is there really nobody there or are we all invisible for each other...? I do suspect that this is a strong possibility, especially when I go check the tracks and see a swarm of planes around, but the visibility issue is a serious problem as well. Last night (Thursday) I was patrolling Cappy on the dawn mission (the one with the sky resembling a space shuttle view from the space). I saw tracers coming into my direction from the west. I could not see a thing. I even thought it was the tracers bug (another bug, when we see tracers coming from nowhere / happens in every mission). Then he fired again and it was a SE5a AI that was coming from the dark, some 500m away. That sort of situation happened (there were several unnanounced bounces on our side) until the sun was high enough for us to have some sense of normality, although my special perception is still very limited. I was finishing a study on visibility, but the covid-19 halted my field trips. Perhaps a few months from now I can post a thread to ask for feedback. Edited April 3, 2020 by SeaW0lf
ZachariasX Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 3 hours ago, US93_Larner said: I'm beginning to wonder when the server's full but I can't find a single enemy over the front...is there really nobody there or are we all invisible for each other...? I thought this yesterday. Server almost full for a good while, but over the front, hardly anyone visible. Frequent flak though, but in the least cases a plane visible, despite it would have been well inside the 10 km bubble. Sometimes one finds a „single“ enemy, but as soon as the shooting starts, there are a lot of planes. This after scanning the sky for some time, just finding that one enemy AC.
J5_Adam Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, US93_Larner said: I'm beginning to wonder when the server's full but I can't find a single enemy over the front...is there really nobody there or are we all invisible for each other...? I don't think so. The other night when you were on Discord Comms with Mueller and I, it wasn't even CLOSE to being full when Mueller and I discovered that I was invisible. There were at most. 5 players on.... if that. Edited April 3, 2020 by Adam
No.23_Gaylion Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 Where are all the invisible entente planes? It has to be happening just as frequent.
JGr2/J5_Klugermann Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 10 hours ago, US93_Larner said: Two more tonight. Poor old 103rd got bounced by ANOTHER invisible D7(F?) Flight. Luckily this time the Hun's aim was off and everyone got out relatively unscathed. This is absolutely wrecking the game for us by this point, and some of our pilots are losing interest in FC - myself included... As a point of interest: After the first invisible bounce. I saw three high D7s, assumedly Fs from the alt, at far distance (I'd estimate outside of the 10km rendering bubble) As they came closer, one of them disappeared. We flew away from them, so they turned back. Once they were roughly outward of 10km away, the No.3 popped back in. The frequency of this is worrying, and we've started seeing it with other German planes too now (No.74 say they encountered an invisible alb and D7, and Talbot's seen at least one invisible Halby.) Some of the J5s say they've seen it happening with Ententes as well, but no video yet. I'm beginning to wonder when the server's full but I can't find a single enemy over the front...is there really nobody there or are we all invisible for each other...? Time to return to Wargrounds or Cubans???? Flew with J5 for close to 2 hrs up and down the mud patrolling....never saw an enemy. 1
US103_Baer Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) Here's today's invisible episode. It's beyond ridiculous. Invisible planes in a CFS! We were bait flight, the Alb was visible the whole time, I just lost sight of it as we reversed direction and have him a chance to get close. The D7 was completely invisible to us all and were tracking with the Alb for a good 5 minutes. 2 weeks in a row. This is a f#$@ing joke. Edited April 3, 2020 by US103_Baer
JG1_Butzzell Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, US103_Baer said: 2 weeks in a row. This is a f#$@ing joke. This has been going on for a while. It is just that you are now aware of it and making tracks. Central side is often bounced by invisible SPADS. We just say "aww crap." and shrug it off. Known bug that devs are working on. It may have something to do with the changes in view distance they made.
J5_HellCat_ Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, US213_Talbot said: Where are all the invisible entente planes? It has to be happening just as frequent. I don't see anyone streaming flight nights on the Central side so I'm assuming no one is recording their entire flights. For what it's worth yesterday J5_Chunko and I were practicing on the J99 practice server ....I was in a Camel (He in a DVa) and he couldn't see me ....I was flying tight circles around a balloon so I know he was looking right at me .....until I opened up on the balloon (I suddenly appeared ) he couldn't see me .... Edited April 3, 2020 by J5_HellCat_
No.23_Gaylion Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 ^ See that's the thing, everytime someone has this happen, they need to post about it. Some folks think this is just a rare occurrence when I theorize that it's happening an awful lot. Maybe the dev's don't realize how broken it is.
No.23_Triggers Posted April 3, 2020 Author Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) Yep. Centrals - provide some tracks and/or videos. Please. So far, the only PROVEN examples of the bug (with video / track evidence) have been Central planes. 1 hour ago, JG1_Butzzell said: This has been going on for a while. It is just that you are now aware of it and making tracks. We've been aware of it since the O.P in this thread - but it feels like it's getting even worse, and more frequent now. Edited April 3, 2020 by US93_Larner
No.23_Gaylion Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, JG1_Butzzell said: Central side is often bounced by invisible SPADS. We just say "aww crap." and shrug it off. You know, we don't go throwing this around everytime we get bounced unless we have proof of invisible planes. A good bounce is a good bounce if we didn't see it coming and we will congratulate anyone who does so.
JG1_Labroisse Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, US93_Larner said: Yep. Centrals - provide some tracks and/or videos. Please. So far, the only PROVEN examples of the bug (with video / track evidence) have been Central planes. We've been aware of it since the O.P in this thread - but it feels like it's getting even worse, and more frequent now. I wonder if this is also a problem with the WWII planes? Haven't really seen any posts about it happening there.
No.23_Gaylion Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, II./JG1_Labroisse said: I wonder if this is also a problem with the WWII planes? Haven't really seen any posts about it happening there. Yes.
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