Microsoft Flight Sim 2020

[CanadaOne]

3 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I always overpay. But for me this is not only a software choice. This is the end of a road. 
I will probably uninstall Box donate  my honey comb yoke. Park my rift s and buy this. 
it is 4 k€ worth of hardware. I also renew my helicopter gear. And donate my old ones to the poor. They work great but There is a upgrade

So I wont buy this until I am sure of what I want. I never go half harted into this hobby. 
I lost faith in WW 2 cfs I dont think my interest will be fully committed. Some flights here and there. New tobruk 

 

I won't uninstall BoX, but it's definitely going to #3 behind DCS and FS2020, if for no other reason than the SP content creation sucks balls. That's why I'm not buying BoN. I might gift a plane or two, but no more purchases for me.

 

Just dropped about $1.5K upgrading for FS2020, and that is where most of my flying will be for quite a while. There's a whole world to discover.

 

But why wouldn't you keep the yoke?

 

[Lusekofte]

There is many airports just not in payware standards. I will fly bush planes and choppers when they come. Heathrow is just a one off thing for me. 
I am pretty sure I be starting on Standard. 
The extra light planes is not really that big deal because you get a lot of them in standard. 
But I am a cessna fan, that plane is a legend. And I fear I should have all cersions of them

1 minute ago, CanadaOne said:

But why wouldn't you keep the yoke?

I love it. But it is too light in resistance. 
I need a bit more resistance in order to get the right feel for it. 
You know my wife wont let me buy a real plane, she is convinced someone gonna find me inverted on a mountain ridge or tangeled in the woods. 
I got a pretty good budget for this hobby. But I spend years figuring out what I want. I bought honeycomb for this sim together with VR. Now VR is pretty much over for me with Tobruk coming. It is yoko time

[CanadaOne]

15 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

There is many airports just not in payware standards. I will fly bush planes and choppers when they come. Heathrow is just a one off thing for me. 
I am pretty sure I be starting on Standard. 
The extra light planes is not really that big deal because you get a lot of them in standard. 
But I am a cessna fan, that plane is a legend. And I fear I should have all cersions of them

 

Bush planes and mountain flying will be most it, this is true. But I do love those big ass concrete runways. And if someone makes a payware F-104 for example, I want big HD airports to land at. I love that stuff.

 

15 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I love it. But it is too light in resistance. 
I need a bit more resistance in order to get the right feel for it. 
You know my wife wont let me buy a real plane, she is convinced someone gonna find me inverted on a mountain ridge or tangeled in the woods. 
I got a pretty good budget for this hobby. But I spend years figuring out what I want. I bought honeycomb for this sim together with VR. Now VR is pretty much over for me with Tobruk coming. It is yoko time

 

I hear ya on the light resistance thing. I can't stand wet noodle flightsticks.

[Bremspropeller]

27 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

Bush planes and mountain flying will be most it, this is true

 

Though I'm not holding my breath, I still do have some hopes for Deadstick.

Hopefully it's not DOA.

[Lusekofte]

3 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

Though I'm not holding my breath, I still do have some hopes for Deadstick.

Hopefully it's not DOA.

I see no reason not to buy dead stick and 2020. 
I simply wait out this prebuy until I know for sure what I am getting. I will simply ditch cfs games all together if I find this interesting enough. But probably wont until it is fully evolved

[Blooddawn1942]

incredible amount of informations in this video. 

Don't know if this has been around here. 

It all sounds to good to be true. 

Well... if all this is going to happen, than all my spare time is down the shitter with this incredible sim. 

Just pre-ordered. ?

 

 

 

[SeaW0lf]

So here is a comparison in between MSFS airports and Xplane airports. The KMIA (Miami) from MSFS is a stock one, not manicured, and you can see that the Xplane version has better terminal buildings. But comparing the two prints, you can see that MSFS has a terrain, roads, vegetation, the city per se years ahead, while Xplane has that old Microsoft vibe from the 1990s with 2D buildings and pixelated vegetation.

 

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/198035-msfs-2020-update/&page=14

 

A bit disapointed with the stock airport, but I rather have a good terrain than just the terminal buildings of an airport. I just hope that they will work on these airports over time.

[Lusekofte]

24 minutes ago, SeaW0lf said:

A bit disapointed with the stock airport, but I rather have a good terrain than just the terminal buildings of an airport. I just hope that they will work on these airports over time.

I agree it is the terreign textures I am interested in. 
And the fact that 3rd party will be all over this and add good things. 
Another reason I probably go for standard. 
The best is to come and deluxe premium super duper version is not really worth it

[DD_Arthur]

30 minutes ago, SeaW0lf said:

A bit disapointed with the stock airport, but I rather have a good terrain than just the terminal buildings of an airport. I just hope that they will work on these airports over time.

 

It all looks pretty good to me.  Aren't the enhanced XPlane airports payware too?

[Guest deleted@83466]

12 hours ago, Semor76 said:

Sorry, you´re wrong this time. ?

 

Greez from an Alpha tester.

 

 

 

If you're are implying or hinting that there are going to be "stock" planes out-of-the-box at what I consider "study sim" level...and by that I mean like PMDG, A2A, or the premium DCS planes, (with operating manuals several hundred pages)...I'll believe it when I see it.

 

But if that turns out to be, I'm very happy to be wrong. 

 

 

Edited July 15, 2020 by SeaSerpent

[JG7_X-Man]

Well MS Flight sim and P3D have always been about 3rd party ware. It's just the nature of the beast. It's not for everyone.

[dbzero]

Been following this. If it lives up to its promises and fully supports VR it will be a game changer. I think you can play it offline, but needs to be online and connected to MS Azure to get the most out of it?

 

I had FSX, then paid for LM Prepar, but now using Xplane 11.

 

Flight Sim meets google earth....maybe...we'll have to wait and see.

 

This isn't a cheap hobby, that's for sure.

Edited July 15, 2020 by tiger_0988

[Guest deleted@83466]

10 minutes ago, JG7_X-Man said:

Well MS Flight sim and P3D have always been about 3rd party ware. It's just the nature of the beast. It's not for everyone.

 

Yeah, I know,  and in FS9 and FSX, I pretty much *only* flew 3rd party planes, because the"stock" planes, meaning anything more complex than a C-172, were very simplified and lacked depth.  But Semor is saying that this isn't the case this time around.

 

 

[Stoopy]

Anyone know if there are at least plans to maybe get support for rotary winged flight somewhere down the line?  I loves me my Dreamfoil Bell 407 in X-plane. 

 

Every time I try to get excited about this release I keep coming back to no helicopters.... and no VR, although I heard they plan to support it "at some point".   

 

 

[CanadaOne]

I really hope Steam gets FS2020. The MS site sucks.

[Tektolnes]

I can live without VR for now. But TrackIR support is a must have. It's supposed to be quite simple to implement so not sure why they haven't done so. Makes me wonder if there's some issue with head panning speed and rendering the view.

[OrLoK]

in game development *nothing* is quite simple!

Edited July 16, 2020 by OrLoK

[DD_Arthur]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

I really hope Steam gets FS2020. The MS site sucks.

I somehow think MS will be able to resist giving Valve the opportunity to make their thirty percent on each sale.

[CanadaOne]

30 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

I somehow think MS will be able to resist giving Valve the opportunity to make their thirty percent on each sale.

 

Yeah, probably. Too bad.

[LukeFF]

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-07-15-microsoft-flight-simulator-comes-on-10-discs

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Fancy getting a physical copy of Microsoft Flight Simulator instead of the digital version? Then expect it to come on 10 discs.

 

That's 10 double-layer DVDs, publisher Aerosoft, which struck a deal with Microsoft to ship a physical version of the game across Europe, revealed.

 

 

[dbzero]

On 7/13/2020 at 5:01 PM, unlikely_spider said:

Well, good luck. Didn't they say that they have 2,000 TB of data that comprise the sim? I hope you have a lot of free space.

Yup I heard same thing two petabytes of mapping data that feeds its simulation...it will stream data from their cloud data centers. Its sounds like the faster your connection the better.

 

I have a 1000 MBs internet connection, but only get 1.2 TB of data a month before they start to charge me extra. I just switched from ATT to Comcast as ATT doesn't have fiber in my area and it was not that great when it came to downloading speeds.

 

I just wonder how much data will be streamed and if that could become an issue for some.

[SeaW0lf]

10 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

It all looks pretty good to me.  Aren't the enhanced XPlane airports payware too?

 

I hadn't thought of that. Make sense.

[Blooddawn1942]

7 hours ago, Stoopy said:

Anyone know if there are at least plans to maybe get support for rotary winged flight somewhere down the line?  I loves me my Dreamfoil Bell 407 in X-plane. 

 

Every time I try to get excited about this release I keep coming back to no helicopters.... and no VR, although I heard they plan to support it "at some point".   

 

 

In the video I linked above it was stated, that helicopters are not planned for the initial release and the first time but are not out of question in general. So there is hope for the future I guess. 

And since we will see full support of 3rd parties, the sky should be the limit. 

[CanadaOne]

8 hours ago, tiger_0988 said:

Yup I heard same thing two petabytes of mapping data that feeds its simulation...it will stream data from their cloud data centers. Its sounds like the faster your connection the better.

 

I have a 1000 MBs internet connection, but only get 1.2 TB of data a month before they start to charge me extra. I just switched from ATT to Comcast as ATT doesn't have fiber in my area and it was not that great when it came to downloading speeds.

 

I just wonder how much data will be streamed and if that could become an issue for some.

 

I have unlimited net, but they add "within reason" in little letters under that. No idea at what point they get frisky. But I've very seldom gone over 400GB. 1.2TB is a lot. If that isn't enough we're probably all in trouble.

 

Check it out, the worst math you'll see all day:

 

Earth land mass: 500 million km2  / 2000TB FS2020 scenery flies = 1TB for every 250,000 km2.

 

California 425,000 km2 = 1.7TB 

 

On the other hand, at 150 million km2 for land only, no water, that's 1TB for every 75,000 km2

 

California = 5.6TB

 

With tech skills like this I should work for the government. 

[Uufflakke]

 

If Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 is really thát good than their related webforum makes one section redundant: a Modding Section

[Lusekofte]

I seen enough videos and reviews from people living by them to know this is going to be mind blowing. 
It is a never seen yet sim. I think I will dig deep into this and really spend all my flying time, just to figure out what I like to do with it

[Stoopy]

8 hours ago, Blooddawn1942 said:

In the video I linked above it was stated, that helicopters are not planned for the initial release and the first time but are not out of question in general. So there is hope for the future I guess. 

And since we will see full support of 3rd parties, the sky should be the limit. 

 

I'm just hoping that the internal physics modeling can support the unique characteristics of rotary wing flight to the same fidelity as fixed wing.  I'd sure hope and think so but if they haven't got a basic Helo like the Robinson in the sim yet, it's as-yet uncharted territory. 

 

I'm more hopeful for sailplane flight particularly with that incredible atmospheric modeling, hopefully thermals and slope lift will be correct enough to support that, and with that gorgeous scenery it would be simply fantastic. 

 

It's easy for me to be impatient, I just have to keep in mind that the effort so far has been on the basics of a very advanced new platform and they can't do everything by initial product launch.

 

It will be fun enough to re-do the RTW flight that I did way back in FS2000 with the Beech Baron.  Then ply my way slowly from San Diego up the coast to KORS and beyond in the X-Cub.  If someone comes out with an ACA Scout/Citabria/Decathlon as good as the RealAir model for FS9 my sim life will be complete and I will live out the rest of my virtual days getting lost in the PNW.  While still flying a few missions in IL2 to keep the adrenaline addiction and blood lust satisfied, of course.

 

Edited July 16, 2020 by Stoopy

[RedKestrel]

12 hours ago, LukeFF said:

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-07-15-microsoft-flight-simulator-comes-on-10-discs

 

LOL, its like the old Final Fantasy games, except for flight sim nerds. Gotta swap discs before you get the airship.

I guess Cloud modeling is a common factor. 

[OrLoK]

Do we know anything about multiple Pcs controlling different aspects of the sim? I suddenly find myself with a spare PC now my next intended career path failed and id like to see it put to good use.

[simfan2015]

I wonder whether people who are into combat sims can stay interested in a civil aviation sim ... even if it proves to be 100% as good as expected.

I, personally, will give it a try too ... what do I have to loose ? (except for that 1 TB of SSD disk space ?) ? ??

 

[I am even more interested in what the new Microprose is up to !]

[RedKestrel]

8 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

I wonder whether people who are into combat sims can stay interested in a civil aviation sim ... even if it proves to be 100% as good as expected.

I, personally, will give it a try too ... what do I have to loose ? (except for that 1 TB of SSD disk space ?) ? ??

 

[I am even more interested in what the new Microprose is up to !]

Civil sims can scratch a different itch for people. Some people want to get deep into the nitty gritty of operating the plane, flying according to regulations, etc. Civil and Combat sims each have limitations due to the other things they have to handle (FS2020 probably woulnd't look nearly as stunning if they had to spend tons of dev time and performance on managing damage models and effects) so it makes sense to, instead of expecting one game to be the One True Sim, to have a couple different options to play when the mood strikes.


 

[CanadaOne]

10 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

I wonder whether people who are into combat sims can stay interested in a civil aviation sim ... even if it proves to be 100% as good as expected.

 

As a big fan of the planet, I see FS2020 as a form of education and entertainment. If it's geographically accurate, then for me it's invaluable as a way to see what different parts of the world look like. And if ORBX or someone else offer a package to make it even more accurate, I'll buy it for sure.

 

An interactive 3D model of the planet. It's fantastic!

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, simfan2015 said:

I wonder whether people who are into combat sims can stay interested in a civil aviation sim ... even if it proves to be 100% as good as expected.

 

From talking with Jason, I know he's been into civil flight sims for a while now.  

[unlikely_spider]

1 hour ago, simfan2015 said:

I wonder whether people who are into combat sims can stay interested in a civil aviation sim ... even if it proves to be 100% as good as expected.

I, personally, will give it a try too ... what do I have to loose ? (except for that 1 TB of SSD disk space ?) ? ??

 

[I am even more interested in what the new Microprose is up to !]

The ability to fly over some new scenery, instead of the same old areas over and over. Strangely the maps that I spend the most time in with both GB and DCS are the same area of the world. It will be nice to plan a flight to the Himalayas, or New Zealand, or Cape Town, or any other exotic area that I may never see in real life.

[DD_fruitbat]

I am really very interested in the look of this, but have never owned a non combat flight sim.

 

I know literally nothing about any of the planes on the lists of the various versions in the different bundles.

 

Somebody sell  me some thing about some of those planes, otherwise I'm going to have to do a lot of googling!!!!

 

Any ideas what the quickest plane in those listed for release is (I'm, thinking low level mountains in my head)?

Edited July 16, 2020 by DD_fruitbat

[Stoopy]

2 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

Civil sims can scratch a different itch for people. Some people want to get deep into the nitty gritty of operating the plane, flying according to regulations, etc.

 

Exactly.  Shooting an ILS approach in a light plane at an unfamiliar airport at night in bad weather below minimums can be an immersive experience with its own hair raising challenges just as much as a combat flight in IL2 MP.

 

And speaking about MP, anyone else wondering what spotting will be like? ?

[unlikely_spider]

1 hour ago, DD_fruitbat said:

I am really very interested in the look of this, but have never owned a non combat flight sim.

 

I know literally nothing about any of the planes on the lists of the various versions in the different bundles.

 

Somebody sell  me some thing about some of those planes, otherwise I'm going to have to do a lot of googling!!!!

 

Any ideas what the quickest plane in those listed for release is (I'm, thinking low level mountains in my head)?

Well, probably the Airbus, lol.

But if you want something smaller, probably the Cessna Citation (twin jet), or the TBM (high performance prop) is no slouch.

I am actually surprised to see how many small props, like acrobatic planes and light sport craft, are on the list.

[simfan2015]

About spotting... I hope they have even put in some... UFOs that we can try to encounter!? 

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, DD_fruitbat said:

I am really very interested in the look of this, but have never owned a non combat flight sim.

 

I know literally nothing about any of the planes on the lists of the various versions in the different bundles.

 

Somebody sell  me some thing about some of those planes, otherwise I'm going to have to do a lot of googling!!!!

 

Any ideas what the quickest plane in those listed for release is (I'm, thinking low level mountains in my head)?

 

Bush and mountain flights in a Cub are the best. 

 

And it's probably the quickest plane for anyone who wants to fly under 100mph.

[simfan2015]

About fs2020... Indeed, being able to really fly around the globe with true realistic scenery has never been done before Afaik. In that respect it is already a winner and will assure interest for a very long time if only because of this!!?