Me 110 front line fighter ?

[SYN_Haashashin]

Hi all,

 

Keep it civil....

 

Haash

[=RS=Stix_09]

10 hours ago, Alexmarine28 said:

@InProgress I think you are mistaking @=RS=Stix_09's post intention with the one of @EAF19_Marsh. His post is favourable overall to the 110...

 

Indeed... it was a very effective plane. 

[Godspeed]

Bf 110 F would be nice in this sim much better plane in air to air combat than E2.

Edited August 23, 2019 by Godspeed

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

@Godspeed
Aint the 110 G2 we already have Much better than F.

Its like 50kph faster than E2 in most regimes 

Edited August 24, 2019 by =TBAS=Sschatten14

[InProgress]

11 minutes ago, =TBAS=Sschatten14 said:

@Godspeed
Aint the 110 G2 we already have Much better than F.

Its like 50kph faster than E2 in most regimes 

You can't fly G2 in Stalingrad. E is Moscow timeline, F would be for Stalingrad, G is for Kuban. But there is no F so you fly older E version in Stalingrad. Tho ju87B2 is much more needed than 110F since you can actually fly 110 in Stalingrad but Moscow has no ju87 available in there.

[Godspeed]

9 hours ago, InProgress said:

You can't fly G2 in Stalingrad. E is Moscow timeline, F would be for Stalingrad, G is for Kuban. But there is no F so you fly older E version in Stalingrad.

 

This

Edited August 24, 2019 by Godspeed

[Ropalcz]

On 8/24/2019 at 2:46 PM, InProgress said:

You can't fly G2 in Stalingrad. E is Moscow timeline, F would be for Stalingrad, G is for Kuban.

 

110 G-2 is actually a spring 1942 plane.

[InProgress]

14 minutes ago, Ropalcz said:

110 G-2 is actually a spring 1942 plane.

In January 1942 work began on a new version of the Bf 110 [...] The pre-production Bf 110G-0 appeared in May 1942 [...] The Bf 110G-2 entered front line service in January 1943 on the Russian front. Its first combat experience came in the aftermath of the fall of Stalingrad. Zerstörer units played an important role in slowing down the Russian advance in early 1943, acting as a ground attack aircraft.

~http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_bf_110G.html

Edited August 26, 2019 by InProgress

[Ropalcz]

Then I probably saw pics of G-0´s wrongly marked as G-2´s. (ZG1 in summer and autumn 42).

Thanks for correction

[Lusekofte]

I read most 110 was redrawn from eastern front and reassigned as night fighters late 1942. And after that it was only insignificant numbers of them left. Some even used as artillery spotters. 

But I can only quote one spurce on it, but it kind of stuck and became truth to me

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

We really need the F2 but I don't expect to see her unless we have a future Afrika map or more eastern front action. 

Edited August 27, 2019 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[Zeev]

On 8/15/2019 at 4:09 PM, InProgress said:

I would not call it a mistake tho. Germany could not make one plane for every role. It was not mighty USA that could produce whatever they wanted to. Pretty much everything they had was build for many roles. Ju88 could be a level bomber, dive bomber, night fighter, torpedo bomber. Bf110 was fighter, nightfighter, ground attacker with bombs or 37mm AT gun or something like bomber hunter. Even ju87 a dive bomber was later upgraded as tank killer with guns. Fw190 was a fighter bomber. They were forced to make and use versatile planes simply because they had no choice.

So in my opinion it was not a mistake but a necessity. They tried to make ground attacker only (hs129) but as you can see they just could not really put much resources into it.

No choice? Poor Germany 0_o

[EAF19_Marsh]

On 8/26/2019 at 10:40 PM, LuseKofte said:

I read most 110 was redrawn from eastern front and reassigned as night fighters late 1942. And after that it was only insignificant numbers of them left. Some even used as artillery spotters. 

But I can only quote one spurce on it, but it kind of stuck and became truth to me

 

The heavy fighter units were moved around a lot, back for Home Defence, then forward again to the South and East, then back again

On 8/19/2019 at 9:37 AM, InProgress said:

Providing stats was the point here, proving that even tho they lost a lot of 110, they still got more kills than they lost. Weather you think stats are relevant or not, fact is that 110 did not do such a poor job as many people think.

 

I don't think anyone here thought it was a poor aircraft - certainty I was not suggesting this. I remain doubtful of its claims for RAF fighters on account of a) its mission profiles, b) its performance and c) the numbers in the air relative to the 109s. Between the 2, the 109s were far more likely to get RAF fighters and on the days when 110s did escort alone (against 13 Group, for instance) they did not do very well. But they did very well when used to their strengths as fighter-bombers.

 

Goering's 'influence' on the battle was actually to leave escort much to Geschwader commanders. Galland got something of a carte blanche (that he tends to forget in his memoirs). By September, with most 109s in Luftflotte 2, the 109 escort peaked at about 3:1 over the bombers and was distributed between long, top and close escort. Galland himself talks about bouncing Bader's Wing over London, which would have been difficult from a 'close escort' position.

 

In any case, the Luftwaffe lacked numbers of either 109s or 110s for proper escort. It was simply a battle that they could not realistically win.