Skin 4k Fw 190 A-8

July 12, 2020

1 hour ago, E69_julian57 said:

https://mega.nz/file/YyIV0Kaa#EAZ3qFWOSEe73I_UhpdOFObQAZaMNjvPirb8Vy9B8xE

Very good choice Julian. I was thinking about suggesting that one to you, but you were faster, lol.

For those interested, here is a very good article about this plane:

https://airwarpublications.com/product/luftwaffe-camouflage-commentary-1-rlm-77/

July 16, 2020

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http://www.luftwaffeinprofile.se/Fw 190 A Marquart.html

https://mega.nz/file/Emw32CKR#8KJejFm0ACCcwHerihL7VWq8UqBJoB104p3DCv0gYCQ

September 28, 2020

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November 6, 2020

A couple of interesting photos of late war FW-190A-8 or 9. May belong to Erg.Kgr.(J) Blue 17? and red19. Blue 17 has also been identified as belonging to JG54 as well. Both would make interesting skins.

Wish we had better photos. First photo is of red19 and second being Blue 17. Not sure about color to be honest. I am pretty new at this.

November 12, 2020

Found a couple of skins from IL2 1946 that appear to illustrate Blue 17 from previous post.

I think it would make a interesting skin for IL 2GB! Any body want to take a shot at it?

November 12, 2020

A interesting aircraft for several reasons. It has a story behind it that turned out to be pure fiction.

To make a long story short, a USAAF pilot by the name of Bruce Carr, supposedly went down behind enemy lines and managed to steal this aircraft and fly it

back to a U.S base and crashed landed. Turns out he was just out joy riding and had mechanical issues .

Interestingly, the aircraft is a hybrid between A FW-190A-6 and a A-8. The power egg, wings and canopy belong to a A-8 and the fuselage was that of a A-6 Not sure if this was common practice or not during the later stages of the war when aircraft were recycled.

The unit, I/EKG(J) was a rag tag group primarily used as a training and replacement unit from my understanding. Anybody who wants add or correct anything please feel free to do so.

I think it would make a fantastic skin!

November 13, 2020

A group of A-8s from JG 301 that would make nice historical skins.

November 14, 2020

15 hours ago, fw190_luftwurgerfan said:

A group of A-8s from JG 301 that would make nice historical skins.

That pic got me scratching my head. Really? Is red lighter in B/W photos than yellow?

On 9/28/2020 at 2:27 AM, E69_julian57 said:

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Appreciate your continous improvements. For me it was already perfect. It is my No.1 go to skin for SP career of II./JG 26. May I ask what exactly you optimized? Great work as always!

Edited November 14, 2020 by sevenless

November 14, 2020

Hello @sevenless

Retouch a little the shapes of the wing camouflage and change the light grey colour rlm 75 for the slightly lighter rlm 77 and a small part in RLM 76
You can find the information here

On 7/13/2020 at 1:10 AM, sevenless said:

Very good choice Julian. I was thinking about suggesting that one to you, but you were faster, lol.

For those interested, here is a very good article about this plane:

https://airwarpublications.com/product/luftwaffe-camouflage-commentary-1-rlm-77/

Edited November 14, 2020 by E69_julian57

November 14, 2020

On 7/13/2020 at 1:10 AM, sevenless said:

Very good choice Julian. I was thinking about suggesting that one to you, but you were faster, lol.

For those interested, here is a very good article about this plane:

https://airwarpublications.com/product/luftwaffe-camouflage-commentary-1-rlm-77/

Hello,

this book is very interesting. a very good job. on the other hand if I can allow myself, the color profile of Claes Sundin is wrong. this Fw190 does not appear to have the yellow underside of the n’ose and the same goes for the rudder. I noticed this while coloring the photos.

often with color profiles it is better to be wary because the artist lets himself be influenced by aesthetic aspect

November 14, 2020

16 hours ago, sevenless said:

That pic got me scratching my head. Really? Is red lighter in B/W photos than yellow?

Look at this "Weisse 5" Fw 190A-8 or A-9 with JG 301 Rumpfbänd, taken after the war at a wreck collection point... Makes me scratching my head too ! Colorized or not, colors look inverted too.

Source : Luftwaffe im Focus N. 29, by Axel Urbanke. Luftfahrtverlag Start, 2019.

November 14, 2020

A few more head scratching photos illustrating this issue with some of JG 301 FW-190s.

November 14, 2020

It is very important to remember that some camera's used a filter that darkened yellows in photos. So is it possible for "Black 9" to be yellow 9 and the stripes to be as in the profile for Yellow 17?

November 14, 2020

1 hour ago, ICDP said:

It is very important to remember that some camera's used a filter that darkened yellows in photos. So is it possible for "Black 9" to be yellow 9 and the stripes to be as in the profile for Yellow 17?

If the number 9 were yellow the outline would be black. The outline is white so the number 9 has a very dark color, black ??

January 5, 2021

Hi Guys,

Someone willing to do this F8 model? This plane is part of an unit on the Bodenplatte career.

9./SG4

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Thank you!

Grt M

January 5, 2021

1 hour ago, I./ZG1_Dutchvdm said:

Hi Guys,

Someone willing to do this F8 model? This plane is part of an unit on the Bodenplatte career.

9./SG4

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Thank you!

Grt M

HI,

An old skin that I do not remember having made available for download but which corresponds to this Fw190 F8.
If you think it might be right for you, I can make it available.

But, I think I would have to work on it again to have the right RLM colors and a better Alpha channel

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January 5, 2021

On 11/14/2020 at 7:04 PM, fw190_luftwurgerfan said:

A few more head scratching photos illustrating this issue with some of JG 301 FW-190s.

Thanks for that peculiar pic. That black-9 Fw190 "Steppke" (engl. nipper, small boy or little lad) is an ex-JG 11 machine. See the symbol:

So what most likely happened is the following. JG 11 handed over machines to JG 301. Those JG 11 machines already had the yellow RV-band of JG 11. Then JG 301 painted its red band on the left side of the already existing yellow band, resulting in the reversed 301 RV-band (red-yellow instead of yellow-red).

Edited January 5, 2021 by sevenless

January 5, 2021

12 minutes ago, MarcoPegase44 said:

HI,

An old skin that I do not remember having made available for download but which corresponds to this Fw190 F8.
If you think it might be right for you, I can make it available.

But, I think I would have to work on it again to have the right RLM colors and a better Alpha channel

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Hi,

What do you think is wrong with your RLM colours ....? For me they look O.K., a little bit washed out but credible.

Madcop.?

January 5, 2021

12 minutes ago, Madcop said:

Hi,

What do you think is wrong with your RLM colours ....? For me they look O.K., a little bit washed out but credible.

Madcop.?

I did in RLM74 and RLM75

From August 1944 the RLM74 was abandoned and replaced by the RLM82.

I think this plane was either RLM82 + RLM75 or RLM81 + RLM 82

Do you have a good quality original B & W photo for this plane ????

I can try to check the colors with colorization software and finish the skin accordingly

January 5, 2021

1 hour ago, MarcoPegase44 said:

I did in RLM74 and RLM75

From August 1944 the RLM74 was abandoned and replaced by the RLM82.

I think this plane was either RLM82 + RLM75 or RLM81 + RLM 82

Do you have a good quality original B & W photo for this plane ????

I can try to check the colors with colorization software and finish the skin accordingly

I will have a look and keep you posted, but I do not think I have anything valid for this precise aircraft .

Most Fw-190 kept their RLM 74-75 (77)-76 with or without RLM 76 on wings. There are a lot of Bodenplate pictures (even in colour) showing Fw 190A with "grey" schemes.

As you know there was a great difference between instructions and real life. There were a lot of Fw 190a built up from old airframes...

New built aircraft could and have worn the new colours , but the majority of the old airframes retained the grey scheme. The instructions said also that stock paint had to be used up before going to the "new" scheme. Common sense would dictate to use what you have , especially near the end of the war....

Madcop. ?

As far as I am concerned I like it in your colours.....and from the B/W picture I see , there is too much contrast between the upper colours of the wings to be 75/82. I would opt for 75/77 or even 76 as a possibility.

Edited January 5, 2021 by Madcop
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January 5, 2021

26 minutes ago, Madcop said:

I will have a look and keep you posted, but I do not think I have anything valid for this precise aircraft .

Most Fw-190 kept their RLM 74-75 (77)-76 with or without RLM 76 on wings. There are a lot of Bodenplate pictures (even in colour) showing Fw 190A with "grey" schemes.

As you know there was a great difference between instructions and real life. There were a lot of Fw 190a built up from old airframes...

New built aircraft could and have worn the new colours , but the majority of the old airframes retained the grey scheme. The instructions said also that stock paint had to be used up before going to the "new" scheme. Common sense would dictate to use what you have , especially near the end of the war....

Madcop. ?

As far as I am concerned I like it in your colours.....and from the B/W picture I see , there is too much contrast between the upper colours of the wings to be 75/82. I would opt for 75/77 or even 76 as a possibility.

I agree with you that many Fw190 A8 fighters were RLM77 and RLM75 from 1944, this can be seen in the photos with the difference in tone between the 2 colors in black and white.

On the other hand for the ground attack planes FW190 F8, I have doubts, the RLM 77 is a very clear color for an airplane operating near the ground. This subject interests me. If you have any information.

Edited January 5, 2021 by MarcoPegase44

January 5, 2021

2 hours ago, MarcoPegase44 said:

HI,

An old skin that I do not remember having made available for download but which corresponds to this Fw190 F8.
If you think it might be right for you, I can make it available.

But, I think I would have to work on it again to have the right RLM colors and a better Alpha channel

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Hi Marco,

I missed that one! Looks good. I doublechecked, but i don't have any photos of the plane or unit. Most photos off SG4 are with the Italy braunish look.

Grt M

January 5, 2021

2 hours ago, MarcoPegase44 said:

Do you have a good quality original B & W photo for this plane ????

Not exactly that plane, but some 1945 wreckage of II./SG4 190s in Czechoslovakia here:

https://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?/topic/57614-revell-fw-190-f8/&do=findComment&comment=714225

and here:

Asisbiz Focke Wulf Fw 190 SG4 Bundesarchiv Bild 101I 479 2176 18

January 5, 2021

On 11/14/2020 at 2:58 PM, MarcoPegase44 said:

Hello,

this book is very interesting. a very good job. on the other hand if I can allow myself, the color profile of Claes Sundin is wrong. this Fw190 does not appear to have the yellow underside of the n’ose and the same goes for the rudder. I noticed this while coloring the photos.

often with color profiles it is better to be wary because the artist lets himself be influenced by aesthetic aspect

@sevenless

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https://www.mediafire.com/file/o188vhhgcprw34s/FW190a8_4k_2JG26_6BROWN.dds/file

January 5, 2021

18 minutes ago, E69_julian57 said:

@sevenless

V.2

https://www.mediafire.com/file/o188vhhgcprw34s/FW190a8_4k_2JG26_6BROWN.dds/file

Thanks for that! Indeed a tough question to answer whether or not yellow markings were present on that plane. Even the 8 original pics of that machine don´t allow to be absolutely sure one way or the other.

Luftwaffe Camouflage Commentary 1 - RLM 77 - Air War Publications

January 5, 2021

49 minutes ago, sevenless said:

Thanks for that! Indeed a tough question to answer whether or not yellow markings were present on that plane. Even the 8 original pics of that machine don´t allow to be absolutely sure one way or the other.

Luftwaffe Camouflage Commentary 1 - RLM 77 - Air War Publications

I colorized several photos of this plane, as well as others of II/Gruppe of the JG26.

The 2nd group did not have a yellow mark under the engine cover unlike the I/Gruppe , moreover the yellow rudder seems to have been worn only for the patrol leader's planes from 1944 to facilitate the regrouping of the squadron.

January 5, 2021

35 minutes ago, MarcoPegase44 said:

The 2nd group did not have a yellow mark under the engine cover unlike the I/Gruppe ,

I wouldn´t be so sure about that. Please look up:

A7 - brown 4 - of Waldemar Radener - 7./JG 26

A7 - white 9 - of Adolf Glunz - 5./JG 26

A7 - white 4 - of Ulrich-Karsten Frantz - 5./JG 26

A7 - brown 13 - of Gerhard Vogt - 7./JG 26

all of them have either yellow rudder, or yellow cowling or both.

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January 5, 2021

6 minutes ago, sevenless said:

I wouldn´t be so sure about that. Please look up:

A7 - brown 4 - of Waldemar Radener - 7./JG 26

A7 - white 9 - of Adolf Glunz - 5./JG 26

A7 - white 4 - of Ulrich-Karsten Frantz - 5./JG 26

A7 - brown 13 - of Gerhard Vogt - 7./JG 26

all of them have either yellow rudder, or yellow cowling or both.

And here - brown 5 - 7./JG 26 - at Wevelgem

This is a photo that I did not have.-)

Nevertheless the yellow hoods and yellow rudders are not systematic in the middle of the year 1944 and I am not sure that it has the same meaning.

January 5, 2021

1 minute ago, MarcoPegase44 said:

This is a photo that I did not have.-)

Nevertheless the yellow hoods and yellow rudders are not systematic in the middle of the year 1944 and I am not sure that it has the same meaning.

I wrongly posted that. It appears to me to be an A5, so it is out of the question for 1944. You find it online here:

Asisbiz Focke Wulf Fw 190A 6.JG26 Brown 5 landing mishap Wevelgem Belgium ebay 1944-01

I agree with you, that the yellow marking wasn´t systematic, as it was still the case in 1943. Hence the plane in question could be one way or the other. The 8 pics in the publication don´t allow for a definitive answer (IMHO).

Example for A7 of I./JG 26 here:

Oberleutnant Franz Kunz (luftwaffeinprofile.se)

January 5, 2021

Fw190A8 II/ JG26 2 White 7.

Another FW190A8 of the II / JG26 abandoned in Melsbroek less known than the 6 brown.

Camouflage of the end of summer 1944 at the JG26 in RLM 77 and 75 on the top of the wings instead of the combination 75 and 74.

See the publication following the link :

Fw190A8 II/ JG26 2 White 7.

Another FW190A8 of the II / JG26 abandoned in Melbroek less known than the 6 brown.
Camouflage of the end of summer 1944 at the JG26 in RLM 77 and 75 on the top of the wings instead of the combination 75 and 74

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8 minutes ago, sevenless said:

I wrongly posted that. It appears to me to be an A5, so it is out of the question for 1944. You find it online here:

Asisbiz Focke Wulf Fw 190A 6.JG26 Brown 5 landing mishap Wevelgem Belgium ebay 1944-01

I agree with you, that the yellow marking wasn´t systematic, as it was still the case in 1943. Hence the plane in question could be one way or the other. The 8 pics in the publication don´t allow for a definitive answer (IMHO).

Example for A7 of I./JG 26 here:

Oberleutnant Franz Kunz (luftwaffeinprofile.se)

You are right, in 1943. The yellow markings were almost systematically worn on the JG26 planes.

This is less true on the FW190A8s in the summer of 1944.

The underside of the yellow engine is an identification sign, but the yellow rudder is much less common. What was its significance?

January 5, 2021

11 minutes ago, MarcoPegase44 said:

Fw190A8 II/ JG26 2 White 7.

Another FW190A8 of the II / JG26 abandoned in Melsbroek less known than the 6 brown.

Camouflage of the end of summer 1944 at the JG26 in RLM 77 and 75 on the top of the wings instead of the combination 75 and 74.

See the publication following the link :

Fw190A8 II/ JG26 2 White 7.

Another FW190A8 of the II / JG26 abandoned in Melbroek less known than the 6 brown.
Camouflage of the end of summer 1944 at the JG26 in RLM 77 and 75 on the top of the wings instead of the combination 75 and 74

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Thanks for the hint to the thread. Great skins!

From your cited post, another pic of that white 7, and I really wouldn´t be sure whether or not it might have had a yellow rudder:

Edited January 5, 2021 by sevenless

January 5, 2021

9 minutes ago, sevenless said:

Thanks for the hint to the thread. Great skins!

From your cited post, another pic of that white 7, and I really wouldn´t be sure whether or not it might have had a yellow rudder:

It's very difficult to say, I asked myself the same question, and the poor quality photo does not allow automatic colorization.

I have read twice that from 1944 the yellow rudder is a tactical mark to identify the leader for young pilots, a good example is the Fw190D9 of Hans Dortenmannen 1945.

The discussion is exciting but I have to leave, it's late
good night

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January 5, 2021

22 minutes ago, MarcoPegase44 said:

The underside of the yellow engine is an identification sign, but the yellow rudder is much less common. What was its significance?

Good question on the rudder. My understanding is, that both JGs in the west (JG 2 and 26) carried both as an ID marking.

January 5, 2021

For the yellow engine it's true, I think, on the front of the channel to identify planes arriving face to face. So the JG26 and JG2. .

This was replaced by the spiral on the propeller spinner in mid-1944

January 5, 2021

1 minute ago, MarcoPegase44 said:

a good example is the Fw190D9 of Hans Dortenmannen 1945.

Yep, and already in 10/44, but that is the whole tail and not just the rudder. (btw. the A8 he flew while in Normandy had no yellow rudder). The same tail painting was done in 1943 on leader planes in Reichverteidigung in white colour. See the planes of Graf (109-G6), Hackl (109 and Fw190) etc. I think we look for some kind of consistency, which wasn´t there or which every fighter wing handled differently. By example many planes of JG1 in 1944 (Squadron CO Grislawski) didn´t fly with yellow rudder, Heinz Baer (Abteilungs CO in JG 1) flew with white rudder, Priller had both rudder and cowling in yellow.